The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

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  • #844708
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jodi….AMEN ,  you nailed it AGAIN.  Anyone who does not believe Jesus is a flesh human being,  at his berth, when he came into his  ” only existence “, and is even now   is “not”  of the truth.  It wasn’t a God that died for our sins, it was a man, perfected by the anointing spirit of the LIVING GOD,   IN A “fellow human being “.  

    Peace and love to you and yours Jodi……….gene

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     Ed J 
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    “It wasn’t a God that died for our sins, it was a man

    Hi Gene, according to your beliefs, how do you account for this verse…

    None of them can by any means redeem his brother” (Psalms 49:7)

    #844710
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj…..Go and “try” to understand, who the “them” are. Some help for you, try reading verse 6,  and also remember  JESUS “the man” wasn’t “his” sacrifice,  he was GOD the Father’s sacrifice for the sins of the world. 

    Edj…. go back and read and study,  JODI’S last post, we are both bearing witness of the truth, you and others here have a chance to understand the scriptures correctly , please take advantage of it,  my,  and I am sure Jodi’s hope is that you all will come to understand what we are telling you all. It’s all given for you benefit, not ours, because we already know it’s the truth.  My God help you and us all to understand and get back to the Faith that once and for all, was delievered  to us all.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #844711
     carmel 
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    he was GOD the Father’s sacrifice for the sins of the world. 

    Gene,

    We are justified by our own words!

    Would you deny your own words?

    If Jesus was GOD THE FATHER’S SACRIFICE, HOW ON EARTH HE WAS NOT DIVINE AS MUCH AS HE WAS HUMAN?

    If Jesus was HAD A SPECK  of earth he would have been satanic, and he would not have qualified as a RANSOM, as Satan would have paid part of the ransom TO GOD.

    WHICH IS MADNESS!

    SINCE OTHE RANSOM WAS PAID BY THE FATHER, WHILE JESUS IS THE RANSOM ITSELF.NO?

    GOD IS OUR REDEEMER, HE FURNISHED JESUS , HIS SON OF HIS OWN ESSENCE AS THE RANSOM, THE FACT THAT IT CLEARLY SAYS IN ISIAIAH 55:11 So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.

    WOULD THE FATHER RECEIVE SOMETHING WHICH ORIGINALLY IS SATANIC.

    BLIND PEOPLE, WITH EVERY RESPECT.

    Read John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world: cometh:

    AND IN ME HE HAS NOTHING!

    Got it, Gene? 

    Satan has nothing in Jesus, despite He was a Son of David.

    Now David was in hell Satan’s property when Jesus was born!

    THEM  is a reference for the entire SATANIC  human race.NO?

    THE FACT THAT EDJ POSTED PSALM 49:7 read HEREUNDER and open your spiritual eyes:

    No brother can redeem,

    nor shall man redeem:

    HE SHALL NOT GIVE GOD HIS RANSOM.

    AGAIN ARE YOU BLIND OF THE TRUTH? WITH EVERY RESPECT.

    You are in my prayers!

    ThanksEDJ for reminding me in that scripture!

     

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

    #844729
     Ed J 
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    “It wasn’t a God that died for our sins, it was a man“

    Hi Gene, according to your beliefs, how do you account for this verse…

    “None of them can by any means redeem his brother” (Psalms 49:7)

    Edj…..Go and “try” to understand, who the “them” are.

    Hi Gene, “Come now let us reason together” Spill the beans:
    tell me who you say *them* are if not the brothers and sisters of Jesus?
    And quit trying to send me on wild goose chases: Jodi’s convoluted bloated posts.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #844730
     t8 
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    But EdJ, you need lots of text to explain that Jesus is not the Christ. If it was a simple yes and no is looks real bad. Please understand.

    #844732
     Ed J 
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    ThanksEDJ for reminding me in that scripture!

    You bet Carmel, “Come now let us reason together” (Isaiah 1:18)

    Gene has yet to explain this verse for us…

    “None of them can by any means redeem his brother” (Psalms 49:7)

    Gene, please do so

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #844733
     Ed J 
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    But EdJ, you need lots of text to explain that Jesus is not the Christ.
    If it was a simple yes and no is looks real bad. Please understand.

    Hi T8,

    I don’t understand what you are telling me here ???

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #844736
     t8 
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    Just a joke but it is true.

    Just saying that a simple yes and no to a question can make one look bad, so they avoid that and give lengthy reply instead because they can hide behind the details and also look a little more intelligent. But that tactic is dishonest. I am sure you agree anyway. Just making the point though.

    #844742
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Carmel……Thats like saying the lamb the Israelites sacrificed were equal to the human being that sacrificed them. Jesus is portrayed as the lamb of God,  and in no way  does that qualify him as being devine being .  God the Father did not sacrifice another GOD , HE SACRIFICED A “HUMAN” ANOINTED SON of his.

    Carmel…..have you ever wondered what that sacrifice meant? WHEN a man offered up a sacrificed lamb, he was taking full “responsibility” for his sin.  In the same way I believe,   the LORD our God, was Taking full responsibility for “all” sins of the world?  Why?, because I believe he could have prevented sin in the beginning if he wanted to, but he allowed sin to infect his whole human creation, because it was needful, for us all to learn the difference between “GOOD AND EVIL”, I believe  it was in his plan for humanity from the beginning,  for us to become more like God the Father. Just as God said,  after they sinned, “look the man has become like us,  “knowing, “Good and Evil”.  IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours . ………gene

     

    #844743
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj…and Carmel ….go back and read verse 6, and it will tell you who the them is. You haven’t yet learned to read things in context of the scriptures they are written in. But then again that’s why your understanding is so limited.  IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #844744
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj, help for you and Carmel,  hear is the “them’ mentioned in that scripture,

    Palsm 49:6 -7…..“they that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves, in the multitude of their riches” 

    Verse 7…..None of “them”  (see above) Can by any means redeem his brother, nor give God a ransom for him.

    Can’t put it any more simpler then that , if you people are unable to put it together that’s your problem  not mine. But then that is what you do with many, many. Scriptures, so nothing  more can be expected from you people right?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

     

    #844745
     Jodi 
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    Good Morning All,

    Gene:It wasn’t a God that died for our sins, it was a man, perfected by the anointing spirit of the LIVING GOD, IN A “fellow human being “.

    Me: Absolutely the TRUTH Gene, which is why we are told that Jesus is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, a Son of God according to the Holy Spirit, a Son of God according to being a perfected man, and that WE are JOINT heirs with him, ONE BODY with him ACCORDING to the One Spirit, the Spirit of his heavenly Father and my heavenly Father. 

    Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

    Christ is NOT a pre-existing anointed non flesh being that was sent down to earth.

    Christ is the fruit of David’s loins, a SEED also of Abraham, who God anointed with His Spirit and sent out into the world, being the Messiah prophesied, the Messiah PROMISED by an OATH God had made long ago, but an oath that was in HIS WORD before the world began. This Messiah was to receive the mercies God promised David and that he did. 

    The anointed came to the people in the flesh, God’s Spirit descended like a dove on the body of Jesus, Jesus said the Spirit was upon him, he was anointed and SENT out to fulfill God’s will, the will of God that God had ordained by a Son of Man before the world was.

    Jesus’s CLEAR words of which were God’s words of a prophecy fulfilled in the FLESH of Jesus, “18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”

    That preaching was of the covenant, that covenant was not his own words, not of his own will, but of God’s words and God’s will, of which God created the world through His own will. Jesus not only spoke of the covenant he was the HUMAN predestined to fulfill it by the shedding of his blood, sacrificing his body of flesh unto death.

    THE END that was established before God made the world was the ONE BODY, humans filled with the Spirit and knowledge of God made perfect, with God being all in all, of which Jesus is the first of, JUST as God had promised David concerning his son, that He would MAKE him His firstborn, and give him a “PORTION among the great”, give a Son of Man dominion over the works of His hands, MADE a master over his brethren who would be joint heirs in receiving the Spirit of God that creates perfection and thus eternal life, also having been predestined and elected from among the people as Jesus was, to also be given dominion to rule and judge under their master Jesus, a fellow brother IN the Spirit of our Father.

    WHY JESUS SAID, “Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.”

    God’s WILL BE DONE,

    22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

    THE GLORY of Jesus that was HELD in God’s WORD according to His will, according to His foreknowledge and by His determinate counsel, what God made the world through and for, was the resurrection of the dead, humans made perfect given eternal life, of which Jesus is the FIRST of. 

     

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     carmel 
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    Jesus is portrayed as the lamb of God,

    Gene,

    How on earth Jesus is the lamb of God, and  NOT DIVINE?

    IT IS OF GOD. NO?

    All GOD’S THINGS ARE divine.

    HE IS “THE WORD” OF GOD. Not the word of David.

    If Jesus was only A SON OF DAVID, He wouldn’t be IN ANY WAY OF GOD!

    In fact, He would have been more a son of Satan since David was in hell, the property of Satan.

    The original spirit of humans is LUCIFER/SATAN.

    The original spirit of Jesus is GOD.

    Gene you said:

    if you people are unable to put it together that’s your problem, not mine. But then that is what you do with many, many. Scriptures, so nothing  more can be expected from you people right?

    Now let’s see if you ARE ABLE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER? If you can’t 

    THAT’S YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE! But then that is what you do with many, many. Scriptures, so nothing more can be expected from you, Gene RIGHT?

    NOW CHEW! 

    THE HEAD (SOUL) OF CHRIST IS GOD!  IN THE HOLY GHOST, ON HIS CONCEPTION.

    THE HEAD (SOUL) OF THE WOMAN (EVE)IS THE MAN( ADAM) MANIFESTED IN THE BONE! and from then on through

    THE SPERM of every man on every conception.

    The HEAD (SOUL) of the Man (ADAM) IS CHRIST ( IN “THE WORD” ON HIS CREATION, THE FIRSTBORN MAN/LIVING SOUL.)

     

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

    #844747
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Carmel. ….The head has nothing to do with Soul,it is addressing a position. Why do you think you must add words to clearly written scriptures?

    Where did you get that the “ORIGINAL” spirit of man was SATAN AT? Scripture says when a man dies his spirit returns to the LORD , who “gave” it. How do you people come up with all this stuff?

    Carmel, “please” do yourself a favor, go and “study” what JODI has written, even if you don’t believe me brother. She has explained scripture clearly  and rightly.

    Peace and love to you and yours ………gene

     

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     carmel 
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    Where did you get that the “ORIGINAL” spirit of man was SATAN AT?

    Gene,

    I said :

    The original spirit of humans is LUCIFER/SATAN.

     

    Not Satan.

     

    Lucifer was the archangel of LIGHT the morning star, and Humans are the origin of Lucifer THE LOST SHEEP. WE are two thirds of  the rebellious angels! ONE THIRD IS SATAN AND HIS DEMONS. We are regenerated through the process of the world in humans. One third as Flesh, and One third as Souls. the Spirit is from God only in those who believe in Jesus, the Spirit of those who believe not in Jesus is Satanic.

    John3:36 He that believeth in the Son hath life everlasting: but he that believeth not the Son shall not see life:

    but the wrath (SATAN) of God abideth on him.

    1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness ( SATANIC) into his marvelous light: 10Who in times past were not a people: ( WE WERE DEVILS IN FLESH)

    but are now the people of God. Who had not obtained mercy: but now have obtained mercy.

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ

    #844749
     Jodi 
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    Hi Carmel,

    John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    You: but the wrath (SATAN) of God abideth on him.

    Me:What on earth Carmel??!!  Talk about distorting scripture and creating lies.

    verse 36 is speaking of God’s WRATH to humans who do not believe in the Son. GOD’S wrath of which JESUS will bring putting all enemies under his feet. 

    1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a CHOSEN generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    Carmel, Jesus said that ONLY God is good, without God’s Spirit working in us we are like brute beasts, we ONLY KNOW what we know carnally, like other creatures ON EARTH, without God’s mercy giving us of His Spirit of wisdom and understanding etc.. we are like animals, which is why we DIE and return to the dust just like animals. 

    Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

    Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    Man is an adversary, HEBREW phonetic word saw-tawn, who can appear as a messenger of light but is of darkness. Man does so through his OWN ignorant imagination, following his own desires. Exactly why Jesus tells us that sin comes from within, from within a man defiles himself. Exactly why Jesus called Peter an adversary a SAW-TAWN for having IN MIND the things OF MEN, being carnally minded as a man. Why Jesus calls men vipers as they are carnally minded. “The CARNAL MIND is at enmity with God.” God must give of His Spirit (which is His mercy on us, a created creature) and by such we can learn through His Spirit to be spiritually minded. When one is spiritually minded they are not of the earth, they are from above. 

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     Ed J 
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    “It wasn’t a God that died for our sins, it was a man“

    Hi Gene,
    according to your beliefs, how do you account for this verse…

    “None of them can by any means redeem his brother,
    nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)

    Edj…..Go and “try” to understand, who the “them” are.

    Hi Gene, tell me who you say *them* are if not the brothers and sisters of Jesus?

    Edj, help for you and Carmel, hear is the “them’ mentioned in that scripture,

    Palsm 49:6 -7…..“they that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves, in the multitude of their riches”

    Verse 7…..None of “them” (see above) Can by any means redeem his brother, nor give God a ransom for him.

    Hi Gene,

    So a rich man can’t redeem us to God, but a poor man like Jesus can.

    Is that what you are telling us?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #844759
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj….No I am simply telling you what that scripture is relating to, Your adding the rest again.

     

    Carmel…..To think Jesus was not an “ordinary”human being, who had the spirit of the living  God on him, through  an anointing process, is a false teaching.  You do not see Jesus as a human being  or a flesh man like all men are, you move Jesus away from any human likeness, and thereby, make him out to be something other the a human being rather then “a second Adam”, or another “perfected” human being. 

    Your teachings “Seperates” Jesus from his brothers and sisters, because you make him out to be “different” from the rest of humanity, infact you people preach he was not even a real flesh human being as we are , but a “preexisting ” being of somekind.  

    In so doing you can not see the perfection spirit of God on  him and also mankind, because he is also a “Son of man”, just like we are, only having already been perfect, which we will also be, by the same working of the same spirit that perfected him.     Your doctrine of “SEPERATION” moves Jesus away from his brothers and sisters. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    #844760
     Jodi 
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    To All,

    Jesus is of the seed of David and Abraham, receiving the promises that God had made to David and Abraham concerning their seed.

    He is a Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit of Holiness, being begotten of God, an eternal Son by the resurrection of the dead, of which he is the first of many brothers and sisters from all nations.

    Our unity of faith is to believe that the Son of God IS A PERFECT MAN and that we too shall be made just like him, be a perfect human, a Son of God according to our Father’s Spirit, all of ONE BODY through that Spirit, joint heirs with the Anointed One of that Spirit, “waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body”.

     

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