Hi Berean,

Subdue- does not equate to God having appointed the man Adam as a king over others and over all creatures great and small, so there’s that!

Scripture does not say that the man Adam was appointed as a king, which is what you said and you also stated you weren’t inventing anything. You cannot provide the scripture that speaks to Adam…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I don’t see any scripture that says that Adam was appointed a king to rule over all of mankind and all living creatures upon the earth, before or after the fall.

The scriptures speaks of man, male and female humans that were to multiply and THEY would have dominion over the fish, over the birds and over all living creatures on…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Is there not in the meaning of having dominion over the animal world for Adam an element of the fact that he was created in the image of God and in his likeness?

God would dominate his creation, Yes but through Adam…
Isn’t there an aspect of the “image of God”?

ME: 

I asked you what does it mean that man was created in the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Yes, scripture tells us that man was created in God’s image, what does that mean though? How was man created in the image of God?

My point still stands, Adam and Eve were ignorant, is that what you would consider to be the image of our God? 

Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit BECAUSE they DESIRED TO BE WISE, even they at least…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Adam and Eve were ignorant, they lacked considerable wisdom, understanding, knowledge and fear of YHVH, ALL THINGS to which the man Jesus had been filled with. 

A human being, Jesus, had God’s grace upon him growing in wisdom from his childhood and then at the river Jordan when he was a man, he was then born of the Spirit of God…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer and All,

Adam was NOT created perfect, if he was, than he would not be able to sin!

Yes, Adam chose his own way and Jesus chose God’s way, but HOW was Jesus able to walk in all of God’s ways and follow God’s will and not his own? 

The answer is not because he pre-existed perfect and then came down from heaven being transformed…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for proving my point to Danny, where you COMPLETELY IGNORE clear scriptures and then go about interpreting other passages WITHOUT them!

Let’s first acknowledge that you completely ignore the context given, the fact that Paul is telling folks that they need to be like minded with “Christ”.  You ignore the passages where Jesus…[Read more]

Hi Danny and All,

YOU:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Who dwelt among us?
Jesus Christ!

ME:

Yes indeed, Jesus Christ dwelt among the people, having been sent by God out into the world upon the Spirit of God having come to abode in him.

Verse 14 of John speaks exactly to my position.

The Word is the WORD of God…[Read more]

Hi DT,

YOU: Where did God say HE was going to become a father unto the seed of David? What verse are you citing?

ME: Below speaks to the Messiah, he is begotten by God becoming a Son, he is a king inheriting the earth for his possession and he destroys the wicked. Blessed are them who trust in the Son.

Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You can’t assure anything, you can’t even acknowledge the clear simple truth that God promised that He WAS GOING TO BECOME a Father unto a seed of David.

You go about interpreting passages making this word of God into a lie saying the opposite, not that a man of flesh (a seed of David) became a Son but rather you teach that an…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Your view is very refreshing I must say, and I have most certainly over the years changed my position on things when presented with passages and then being mindful of the sum of all scriptures. When interpretations don’t cause contradictions but rather make things make more sense, to me that identifies what is true.

1 John 4:2, glad…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

I hope you are doing better!

You provided,

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

To give proof that Jesus was already the Christ before his baptism at the river Jordan.

This is the passage that others including Proclaimer has given as proof.

I ask, were we saved by the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: Jesus bridged this gulf, and made a way for man to come to God.

ME:

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with…[Read more]

DT,

YOU:

Didn’t realize you controlled and set the tone for this forum of “believers” only; sounds like a country club.

ME: What are you talking about? You have become extraordinarily sensitive. Take a couple of deep breathes. I am merely asking that you post on an appropriate thread and I also spoke mentioning to everyone else that we shoul…[Read more]

Hi DT,

YOU: One of the first passages that sent me down my current path is Isa 7:14 and we’re told it’s a prophesy pointing to Jesus; then I read the entire chapter and nowhere is there any mention of a “messiah” or this centuries later birth of a child that will save mankind. Yet every year at Christmas this single verse is quoted claimin…[Read more]

Hi DT,

I think you misunderstand,

Believers place according to admin,

“This category is called Believers Place and is for believers, i.e., those who believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the messiah.”

“Anyone who doesn’t believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and messiah is a Skeptic.”

If you go to Skeptics Place you will see…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Concerning your post regarding verse 6 of the below,

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

YOU: Our salvation from sin is only possible because of the precious blood of Jesus Christ that was lovingly shed for all mankind!
(Ephesians 1:7, 1 Peter 1:18-19, Revelation 1:5)

ME: There is really A LOT more to it than that but it is all held when in those passages you provided we focus on CHRIST- anointed of the Spirit.

Hebrews…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

YOU: I believe that. Even Trinitarians believe that. (I’m not a Trinitarian.)

ME: Well, let’s look at this a bit further and see where you stand.

I have debated on here with trinitarians and non trinitarians who both have told me that Jesus’s name is “YHVH is salvation” because Jesus is himself YHVH. They both have also said that J…[Read more]

Thank you T3 and Gene!

Hi DT,

At this point, as you continue to show your unbelief and want to debate to that unbelief I believe you really should be moving to the Skeptics forum and look to discuss this over there.

Or might I suggest DT starting a 1:1 debate thread with individual people where you can both freely choose to debate over all that…[Read more]