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Hi Carmel,
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
The One True God created heaven and earth through His own Powers, king David said it as by His own Hands, and yet in another prophecy it says His fingers.
The one appointed heir of all things likewise in prophecy is said to be the Son of Man, and then in the NT it is also said to be given to the Son of Man.
God made the worlds through, because of, Jesus, the Son of Man who God had planned He would give dominion over the works of His OWN hands to.
Carmel you interpret scripture by changing who the passages is actually speaking of. Likewise you interpret scripture forgetting the basic FACT that the One True God our Father is all knowing and that He did in fact ESTABLISH the END before He created the beginning as Solomon tells us. You speak as if you are ignorant to scripture that gives you the ending. The end, that was established before the beginning was an end to sin, because God knew that sin would come. There is an end to sin because God knew that He could work righteousness into men through teaching man, giving him of His wisdom and knowledge. The end is a NEW beginning of which starts with the firstborn of the dead, Jesus the Son of Man who is returning among the clouds where in a twinkling of an eye those of faith will be changed.
NOW you really want to tell me that it is FALSE to say that when the One True God made heaven and earth He did not do so knowing full well, and thus THROUGH, this Son of Man that would be sitting on David’s throne according to the flesh for an eternity being a king over other kings, and a lord over other lords among his human brothers?
Hi Carmel,
There can be know doubt that I have in my posts spoken CLEARLY that Jesus is the Son of God.
John 1:34 is speaking of the HUMAN Jesus as the Son of God.
Don’t forget Carmel that at the moment that the Spirit of God descends upon Jesus God says, “THIS IS my beloved Son.”
Also don’t forget that the WORD of God that became true in the flesh of Jesus was that God had PROMISED David that He would beget David’s son on a certain day, making this son of David into His own Son.
Such is how I equate Jesus as being a Son of God, according to God’s words at the river Jordan, where God’s promise to David was fulfilled, made true in the flesh of Jesus.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Matthew 20:31 And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.
Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Luke 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath VISITED and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
Psalms 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou VISITEST him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Psalms 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
Psalms 89:25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will MAKE him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
Acts 2: 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, he would RAISE UP CHRIST to sit on his THRONE; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Hi Carmel,
Luke 1:35 …And therefore also the HOLY which shall be born of thee SHALL BE called THE SON OF GOD.
and of course “thee SHALL BE called the Son of God” is thus said according to God’s word to David, not according to man’s invention. Which if you included verse 32 such may be more clear to you, as what was said just prior was, “He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:”
The word HOLY in Hebrew MEANS apartness
anything that the One True God ordains as apart or as set apart, is thus divine of God, good, righteous.
Luke 32 and 35 falls in line perfectly with,
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Acts 13: 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Hi Carmel,
18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about : His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit.
through ek meaning by way of.
recall Isaish 7 the prophecy of the virgin birth and it’s purpose, as it was for a SIGN to the house of David that God keeps His promises. That indeed one of David’s descendants would rule over the land of Judah forever, it most certainly not be one from the tribe of Ephraim.
Jesus was not born some half breed human god, he was born the seed of David SET APART as the one who God would perfect and make into our source for eternal salvation. He was the seed of David who God had promised would be His firstborn, firstborn as the Last Adam (human) as being the first righteous human with eternal life, the first of many brethren.
Carmel……There you have it , Jodi has layed it out clearly and exactly right for you. Study it with prayer and fasting, may the LORD our GOD open your eyes to see brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Carmel,
You: From the above scriptures, IT IS EMPHATICALLY CLEAR that Jesus was born totally different from an ordinary human being!
And it is more difficult to believe that Jesus was an ordinary man than A ONE TIME UNIQUE EXTRAORDINARY DIVINE /HUMAN BEING.
Nevertheless, Jesus was born BOTH AN EARTHLY MAN OF MARY, SON OF DAVID, AND A HEAVENLY MAN OF GOD.SON OF GOD.
Jesus had AN EARTHLY SOUL AND A HEAVENLY SOUL .
TWO IN ONE EMBODIMENT. ALL HEAVENLY! aSSERTED IN
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man was of the earth, EARTHLY, the second man, from heaven, HEAVENLY.
ME: In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul is speaking about the resurrection of the dead of which Jesus the anointed, the son of David who God had begotten with His Spirit, is the first of many brethren of. Prior to his resurrection he was a mortal who could be tempted as he had weak flesh. Jesus being raised in power, and glory, incorruptible, he no longer had weak flesh where he could be tempted, he was free to serve God without his weak flesh tempting him away from God. Because of the Spirit he was anointed with, he was able to deny his weak flesh and follow only God’s will, denying the will of man that is drawn to serve his weak flesh. You have pulled a verse completely out of context to fit your doctrine. Paul is specifically speaking of how the DEAD are RAISED with what body they are raised with.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and BECOME the firstfruits of them that slept.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was MADE a quickening spirit.
The second man, was MADE perfect Carmel, and he was raised from the dead given an incorruptible body, one that could no longer tempt him. When this Son of Man was raised from the dead, after appearing to many he ascended to heaven to sit at God’s right hand. He is our master dwelling in heaven. He is our master as God MADE him the anointed master. He is our master because God MADE him our righteous judge, he was at one point weak, able to be tempted, and thus knows our suffering and so he can relate.
47:7 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Hebrews 4: 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
You make no sense Carmel,
You use a verse to prove that Jesus was born totally different than ordinary human being, but that verse in the surrounding context says that it is not only speaking about the resurrected Jesus, but also it says directly that we are to become the image of that resurrected Jesus, the second man, the heavenly man. So much of the word of God that you pay absolutely no mind to, but then you say I am blind.
Being born of a virgin is certainly NOT ordinary, being born as a sign to the house of David according to a promise given generations ago is certainly not ordinary. What was also not ordinary about Jesus compared to other men, is that he was the only man begotten of God’s Spirit with full measure and power, where he was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. What is not ordinary about the anointed Jesus is that he was the only mortal human to not sin, and though he were a Son, it was by a final test that God perfected His Son, where by suffering on the cross he displayed his full obedience.
Here is the pattern I see from Gene, Jodi and Nick…
First you ignore verses that prove you wrong.
Then when pressed you attempt “to alter”
them to fit your carnal understandingScripture reference:
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”(1 Cor 2:11)Here I got something I want you all to answer…
Did Jesus know he was “The Son of God” *before* Jordan?
Yes or No?
Edj…….Actually it’s you that ignores scriptures and add into them what is not actually said or even mentioned. Scripture shows clearly Jesus was born and brought into his existence exactly as we are, the only thing different was God supplied His Male DNA. into the womb of his mother Mary. Which made him an ordinary human being , just as Adam who God created from the dust made him an ordinary human being also. Neither Adam , or JESUS prexixted their existence on this earth . ADAM WAS taken from the earth and made a human being, Jesus was given his male DNA from God and was “born” exactly like we are, And while we all are extensions of Adam , so IS JESUS, his beginning was more like us then Adams was, because Adam was truly unique, while JESUS was simply a product of a SUPPLIED DNA, things that are commonly done in out present day. Male DNA is commonly used for infertilization this very day. So ADAM being the first human being, was truly unique, while Jesus’ berth is commonly done today. Adam was not from mankind, JESUS WAS.But he is considered the second Adam because it was God who supplied his Male DNA. BUT non of that made him ANY different then the rest of us all.
EDj……. your teaching are also of those who “SEPERATE” Jesus from the rest of his brothers and sisters. Exactly what Satan wants his ministers to do. Make JESUS completely different , so mankind can’t truly relate and bond with him. You do a good job with that and so do others here, be carefull you may get your wish and be permanently seperated from him.
Remember his words, “many shall come in that day and say lord in you name we have done many good, and his response was , depart from me you worker of iniquity , I know you not. Making Jesus out to be something different then us as regards to his humanity is an iniquity, now go figure out what the word “iniquity” means and see how it fits those who preach a doctrine of “SEPERATION”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Scripture reference:
“For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”(1 Cor 2:11)Gene, please answer my simple one part question…
Did Jesus know he was “The Son of God” *before* Jordan?
Yes or No?
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLD.
Jody
Tell me If God made the world by “THE WORD” Jesus TO BE, the Son of Man TO BE, as a spirit, HOW ON EARTH JESUS, THE SOURCE DID NOT PRE-EXIST.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Rev. 13:8 And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.
Jodi, read and reflect:
WHICH WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. Tell me if “THE WORD” Jesus TO BE, the Son of Man TO BE, as a spirit,
was slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world, HOW ON EARTH HE DID NOT PRE-EXIST.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
John 8:25 They said therefore to him: Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, who also speak unto you.
Jody, read and reflect:
THE BEGINNING, WHO ALSO SPEAK TO YOU. Tell me if “THE WORD” Jesus TO BE, the Son of Man TO BE, as a spirit, was
THE BEGINNING. HOW ON EARTH HE DID NOT PRE-EXIST.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE:
Jody, Tell me, if “THE WORD” Jesus TO BE, the Son of Man TO BE, as a spirit, was
THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE: HOW ON EARTH HE DID NOT PRE-EXIST.
Now the first ever creature was Lucifer, THE BEGINNING, THE LIGHT BRINGER, THE MORNING STAR, THE FACT THAT JESUS IS THE LIGHT! ORIGINALLY IN LUCIFER’S HEART. But rejected by Lucifer. Well asserted in
Rev.22:16 ………I am the root and stock of David,
THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR.
AS MUCH AS HE IS IN YOUR HEART, SIMPLY AS HUMANITY ARE ALL LUCIFER’S LOST ORIGINAL SPIRIT. THE LOST SHEEP.
THE FACT THAT JESUS MANIFESTED LUCIFER’S LIGHT EMBODIMENT ON MOUNT TABOR. BY WHICH MANIFESTATION HE CONFIRMED THAT HE RECUPERATED LUCIFER, THE LOST SHEEP, THE MORNING STAR.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Jesus was not born some half breed human god, he was born the seed of David SET APART as the one who God would perfect and make into our source for eternal salvation.
Jodi,
Jesus is not as you said:
half breed human god.
Jesus was born FULLY GOD, IN THE HOLY GHOST, Jesus’ SOUL, THE FACT THAT JESUS BAPTIZES WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
and FULLY MAN IN “THE WORD” Jesus’ FLESH BODY, THE SON OF MAN.
Now the Holy Ghost, Jesus’ Soul and ” THE WORD” Jesus’flesh, GLORIFIED, integrated and became one substance in
JESUS CHRIST.
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH.
First, on the cross, and afterwards after Jesus’ resurrected. This is well clear in
John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
All my things, THE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES, are yours, and yours, THE DIVINE ATTRIBUTES are mine,…….
Thus: GET IT INTO YOUR MIND. THAT JESUS WAS/IS FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD.
Jodi, in thea bove you said ……..as the one who God would perfect.
WHAT DID GOD PERFECT IN JESUS. IF HE WAS BORN WITHOUT SIN?
Now explain, for the second time I am asking this:
John3:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, THAT I MAY PERFECT HIS WORK.
In the above, Jesus declared that he was SENT, THAT HE MAY PERFECT GOD’S WORK.
WHAT DID JESUS PERFECT. and at the same time, GOD PERFECTED JESUS?
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man was of the earth, EARTHLY, the second man, from heaven, HEAVENLY.
ME: In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul is speaking about the resurrection of the dead of which Jesus the anointed, the son of David who God had begotten with His Spirit, is the first of many brethren of.
WRONG Jodi, Paul in the above referred to
THE FIRST MAN ADAM, WHO WAS CREATED FROM THE SLIME OF THE EARTH, and became a living soul, and to
THE SECOND MAN JESUS, FROM HEAVEN, the life-giving spirit.
Now read all 1 Corinthians 15:47:49
The first man ADAM was made into A LIVING SOUL; the LAST ADAM into a LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT. 46Yet that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; afterwards that which is spiritual. 47The first man was of the earth, earthly: the second man, from heaven, heavenly. 48Such as is the earthly, such also are the earthly: and such as is the heavenly, such also are they that are heavenly. 49Therefore as we have borne the image of the earthly( IN ADAM), let us bear also the image of the heavenly. ( IN JESUS)
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Jodi here are the scriptures again, which confirm that Jesus was not an ordinary man born in the same way ordinary men are born.
But allow me to add this scripture again:
John3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven,
BUT HE THAT DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN.
The Son of man WHO IS IN HEAVEN.
Who of the ordinary men EVER BE ON EARTH AND AT THE SAME TIME IN HEAVEN?
John1:34 And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God. WHO OF THE ORDINARY MEN IS PROCLAIMED THE SON OF GOD
Luke1:35 And the angel answering, said to her:
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, WHO OF THE ORDINARY MOTHERS TO BE HAD THE HOLY GHOST UPON THEM?
and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. WHO OF THE ORDINARY MOTHERS TO BE WERE OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH?
And therefore also the HOLY which shall be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD. WHO OF THE ORDINARY MEN WERE HOLY, AND CALLED THE SON OF GOD?
John 8:42 Jesus, therefore, said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me.
FOR FROM GOD I PROCEEDED AND CAME; WHO OF THE ORDINARY MEN PROCEEDED FROM GOD?
FOR I CAME NOT OF MYSELF,
BUT HE SENT ME. WHO OF THE ORDINARY MEN WERE SENT BY GOD?
Matthew 1:18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, OF THE HOLY GHOST.
Jodi , ORDINARY MAN IS BORN OF SATAN, CURSED AND DEAD, NOT OF THE HOLY GHOST, UP TO THIS DAY.
Jesus confirmed this in
John3:6 He that believeth in the Son, hath life everlasting; but he that believeth not the Son, SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; but ( SATAN)the wrath of God abideth on him.
John3:18
He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is ALREADY JUDGED: ( DEAD) because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil.
From the above scriptures, IT IS EMPHATICALLY CLEAR that Jesus was born totally different from an ordinary human being!
And it is more difficult to believe that Jesus was an ordinary man than A ONE TIME UNIQUE EXTRAORDINARY DIVINE /HUMAN BEING.
Nevertheless, Jesus was born BOTH AN EARTHLY MAN OF MARY, SON OF DAVID, AND A HEAVENLY MAN OF GOD.SON OF GOD.
Jesus had AN EARTHLY SOUL AND A HEAVENLY SOUL .
TWO IN ONE EMBODIMENT. ALL HEAVENLY! ASSERTED IN
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man was of the earth, EARTHLY, the second man, from heaven, HEAVENLY.
Jodi DESPITE JESUS REDEEMED HUMANITY, A PERSON MUST DECLARE OFFICIALLY THAT HE BELIEVES IN JESUS THROUGH BAPTISM, OR ELSE BACK TO SATAN HE GOES.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
Matthew 3:14 But John stayed him, saying: I OUGHT TO BE BAPTIZED BY THEE, and COMEST THOU TO ME?
from the above scripture, we are aware that John EVEN BEFORE HE BAPTIZED JESUS, OR AS YOU SAY
BEFORE HE ANOINTED JESUS, confirmed that Jesus is THE SON OF GOD, DIVINE, SINLESS not as you said that Jesus was sent, and became the Son of God from baptism.
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.
Hi Gene
You said: born” exactly like we are, And while we all are extensions of Adam , so IS JESUS, his
Gene please what kind of a statement is that?
Me: If Jesus Christ was extension of Adam, Jesus Christ would have imputed the offense of one, (Adam) death and sin. Like we did. Jesus Christ wouldn’t be able to die for the sins of the world. Gene Jesus Christ didn’t have any biological connection to Adam, What so ever. You people talk like there a different’s between the Son of Man and the Son of God, It speaks of the same person, Jesus Christ, The Only Begotten Son, The Messiah.
God bless 🙏 I hope that helps! You know where I stand on this.
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