The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

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  • #842677
     t8 
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    Are you the only one who knows the correct meaning of scripture??

    In reality, I merely quote scripture and get this reaction from you. That is enough proof right there to conclude two things whether you realise it or not:

    1. You make false statements about other people to detract justified criticisms of your teaching. This is a well documented strategy that the guilty often employ. Criminal investigators for example look for this as it is a natural reaction that the guilty employ to focus attention away from themselves.
    2. You have a problem with scripture itself. You react to the scripture as it is written.

    In your ideal world, people would believe your alternate views and twisting of scripture leading to Nick being a leader of some kind. The resulting cult would have a creed that Jesus started life as a baby human and gained the best CV among men to take the job of saviour and surpassing John. This Jesus would have Nick as his right hand man and Nick would become a legend for championing the secret meaning of the scriptures which was to take the opposite meaning that the text clearly stated. This opposite strategy could only be understood by a man who had a particular spirit that Nick preached that all others seemed to lack.

    #842678
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Ad hominem attacks add nothing to your credibility.

    Face value scriptural analysis is pure futility.

     

    Listen to what the Spirit says to the churches.

    #842679
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Somehow questions are seen by you as false statements.

    Why not take the opportunity to explain yourself?

    #842680
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Sad to see how you denigrate the prophetic word to promote your limited views.

    Submit to the Word and give up the unequal struggle against it.

    #842681
     t8 
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    Submit to Nick and believe that Jesus is not the Christ because Jesus is a flesh entity of some kind.

    Fire Brigade fail

    #842682
     Jodi 
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    Hi t8,

    John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    You don’t find that odd, that Jesus as you believe being a god coming down from heaven does not have the same will as God who you say he is?

    Something that comes FROM heaven means that it has come down FROM God. 

    You seem to ignore t8 that Jesus explains exactly what came from heaven, what came from God.

    John 6:48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof*, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the BREAD that I will give is my FLESH, which I will give for the life of the world.

    Nothing about John 6 says that Jesus pre-existed and came down from heaven t8. Jesus says that he is the living bread that came down from heaven and that BREAD is his FLESH, That flesh Jesus will give for the life of the WORLD.

    He said prior,

    John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

    and John told us prior to chapter 6 in verse 3 that we must believe in the Son of man to have eternal life.

    John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    So the FLESH of the Son of Man came down from heaven and was given for the life of the world.

    Jesus was speaking of his own perfecting as that is what is necessary for the flesh of Jesus to bring eternal salvation.

    Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

    How is it that the bread from heaven that IS the FLESH of Jesus, the Son of Man, able to be perfected bringing us our eternal salvation?

    John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

    The meat that ENDURETH, the meat that the Father SEALED is the ANOINTED FLESH of the Son of Man Jesus.

    John 1:32 And John bare record, saying*, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that THIS IS the Son of God. …51 And he saith unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

    Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. 

    Jesus at the river was anointed, born of God’s Spirit, called to righteousness where God would make this MEAT that God placed His Spirit upon and SEALED it to ENDURE all temptation, remaining obedient even unto death so it could be the bread of life. God would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant, the covenant given to Abraham that through his seed the Anointed would come and through him all nations would be blessed, blessed with eternal life. God would not give this glory to any other, God gave it to this seed of Abraham and David, before these things would spring forth God had spoken them, they were HIS WORD to Isaiah, and then they BECAME FLESH when the Spirit descended like a dove upon Jesus. For as we are told in Acts 10 that upon his baptism when he was SAID to have been ANOINTED with the Spirit, we are told that God was in him. 

    If God was in him upon the Spirit descending upon him, he was in the form of God, not following the will of a Son of Man but following God’s will . His good deeds did not come from man’s will but from God’s, all that Jesus did came directly FROM HEAVEN because God was in him, exactly why Jesus said he did nothing of himself, it was through his anointed flesh where God dwelt that he did all that he did, even going to the cross.

    Jesus was certainly NOT ordinary by any means, as having been anointed upon his baptism GOD WAS IN Jesus, the Son of Man.

    37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

     

    #842683
     t8 
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    What happened that day in the City of David?

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     t8 
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    You seem to ignore t8 that Jesus explains exactly what came from heaven, what came from God.

    The Word became flesh. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. God created all things through the Word and the Son of God.

    Read John 1 and Hebrews 1.

    #842685
     t8 
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    He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

    #842686
     Jodi 
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    t8,

    Seems as if you don’t even have a clue as to what the word Christ (Christos) means, it means anointed which anointed is also used as Chrio “to anoint”.

    We have Jesus saying he was Chrio, ANOINTED upon his baptism. We also have Acts telling us that Jesus was Chrio upon his baptism.

    So it is biblical fact for me to say that Jesus was ANOINTED at the river upon his baptism.

     

    #842687
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    We know you need to be in control but the one we follow demands we rather walk by the Spirit.

    Gal 5.25

    If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

    Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.

     

     

    #842688
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..Jesus is NOT the anointing, he is the anointed one. Big difference in understanding. You false teachers preach the man Jesus as the anointing HIMSELF, “spirit” or”word” of God himself. In that way you are TURNING THE “IMAGE” THE MAN Jesus into a God himself, instead of a man who GOD BY HIS ANOINTING SPIRIT CAME TO DWELL “IN”.

    What do you think Jesus was saying when he said, “the father who is in me, He does the work”. And “the words i am telling you are not my words but the words of him who sent me”. Jesus clearly seperated those words of the Anointing Spirit, from his words.

    How do you think God SPOKE “THROUGH” JESUS, and the PROPHETS, if not by his ANOINTING SPIRIT? THE ANOINTING SPIRIT IS GOD IN THE PERSON.

    CAN YOU SEE THAT T8 ?, BUT NON OF THAT MAKES Jesus or anyone else THE GOD WHO IS SPIRIT, THAT DWELLS IN THEM. YOU ROB GOD AND PAY JESUS, something Jesus never did.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #842689
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Jodi and all,

     

    You: FACT Jesus went to John to BE baptized, and he WAS baptized. John told Jesus he had no need, and Jesus insisted as he said it was necessary to fulfill all righteousness.

    Matt 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Me: Was John ignorant of the fact that the Messiah needed to be baptized in water. This was the baptism of repentance.  Did Christ repent?  No, he was the sacrificial lamb without spot.

    John 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me,
    John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.

    Me: The water baptism was an example for us to follow. No one was baptized with the holy spirit until Pentecost. There were many in the OT that had received the holy spirit. But they were not baptized with the holy spirit. They would not rise from the dead until then.

    Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

    Me: Water baptism could occur after the fact of receiving the holy spirit. Of the dead before Pentecost, only those who died righteously could receive water baptism and the promise of the baptism of the holy spirit to follow.  Had they been baptized with the holy spirit yet?

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    Me: Only those that are baptized with water and are then baptized with the holy spirit will be saved.  So, to “fulfill all righteousness” in Matt 13:15 includes all the saints of the OT that were not baptized in water or the holy spirit.  Christ was water baptized for them so they could receive the baptism of the holy spirit.

    #842690
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Jodi and All,

    You: WHO is God’s beloved Son? Jesus who had just been baptized having God’s Spirit descend upon him. Jesus the Son of Man IS he who is CALLED God’s beloved Son, NOT because he pre-existed, but because God had just anointed him with the fullness of His Spirit. God’s beloved Son was going to be David’s son who God had said He would beget, He would beget him with the fullness of His Spirit.

    Me: Nowhere does it say that Jesus was begotten with the holy spirit at Jordan. Nowhere does it say that Christ was begotten of the holy spirit at birth.

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,…

    Me: Did the Word diminish when he was made one with the seed of David? I Think not. Instead the Word was made one with flesh, that of the embryo of the man child, Jesus. It was the human Christ that grew in its bond with the holy spirit. The Word did not grow. The Word existed as the image of God before all creation. Thus the Word was with God and was God (John 1:1-2).

    Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

    Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

    Me: Did the Messiah have the spirit of the world and sin before Jordan?  No, Christ had that one spirit in him from conception, the holy spirit.

    John 1:14…(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    Me: Jesus Christ was the first begotten from the dead, not the first begotten of the holy spirit from birth.  He may have been the only begotten of the seed of David from when he was begotten of that seed.

    Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
    New American Standard Bible
    Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the HOLY CHILD shall be called the Son of God.

    Me: How can the child in Luke 1:35 be called holy without the spirit of God in him? How can he not be called holy when the Word was fully in him. Christ was begotten from the dead, not at birth as the son of God fully and as the seed of David bonded as one With the Word.

    Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the SON OF GOD

    Me: This is before Jordon.

    You: Hebrews 5:9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.
    Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

    Me: You contradict yourself if you do not explain it right. Yes, Christ was full of the spirit from Jordan (Luke 4:1). But his mind received more capacity to receive more of the holy spirit (Heb 5:9). He grew in the spirit with suffering and patience after Jordon, to wit:

    New American Standard Bible
    Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

    #842691
     t8 
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    … began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;  How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good…

    This was preached to people. It’s a basic message about Jesus to the people. Once they became Believers, Paul, John, and others taught indepth things about Jesus, his origin, his future, and what he taught and said For example:

    And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

    It’s really just a matter of not cherry picking, but assuming all the things written about him in scripture is true. Then you will see much more. Another thing we need to believe is this:

    “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

    People who hold false doctrine react to verses that contradict their false teaching.

    #842692
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Did you miss this one?

    Acts 2.22

    Men of Israel, listen to these words.: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God

    with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst…

     

    Repent and give the glory to his God.

    #842693
     t8 
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    Good post Truth comber. Yes Jesus was a holy child. Some here assume he was not the Christ but a flesh entity that counts for nothing. Their first mistake is not understanding what Jesus is and from there they err in their understanding of his origin.

    #842694
     t8 
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    Did you miss this one?

    Acts 2.22

    Men of Israel, listen to these words.: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God

    with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst…

    No. I didn’t miss that one.

    #842713
     Anthony 
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    Hi Jodi

    You said: Anthony are you really trying to tell me that because the passage in Acts 8 does not call Jesus Christ the son of David,that makes him not the son of David??

    Me: I’m simply saying when it came to His  Baptismal He  said ” The Son of God”

    Yes Jodi Jesus Christ is still called the son of David, and still He is called the Messiah. Jesus Christ is called many things that’s the part you don’t understand. You always show Him, Christ Jesus as Just a ordinary man.

    This may help: Isaiah 9:6 

    For a child will be born to usason will be given to usAnd the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

    God bless.

     

    #842714
     Anthony 
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    Hi TC

    Good post TC.

    God bless

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