The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

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  • #842715
     Anthony 
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    Hi Nick

    You said:

    Hi T8,

    The Father spoke through Jesus Christ.

    He can speak through us too. Nick are we to believe you, ( when you deny simple Scriptures? Or The Word of God.  When the Word says right you say left.  Grow up and repent of your ways.

    God bless 🙏

    #842716
     Anthony 
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    Hi Nick

    This may help:

    You typically will see the sinner’s prayer take place at the end of a worship service in which a pastor will invite church attendees down to the alter (alter call) who desire to receive Christ in their life. They will then repeat a few sentences from the pastor and then they will miraculously become saved and are now new Christians. This process is often paired with the threat of going to hell if you die without Christ in your life. The obvious motivation for many would-be Christians is the fear of going to hell. Christians will not admit this but it is true. Ask any Christian what they would do if there was no such thing as hell? They wouldn’t even know how to answer the question because the heart of their belief is they are being saved from hell. Belief in the pagan hell of Christianity is an idol of the heart. You cannot serve Christ and hold on to all of the idols of your heart (false doctrines, man-made traditions, etc.) This, my friends is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. This is the sad news of the devil that deceives the whole world.

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and SATAN, WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    This is the sinner’s prayer according to Billy Graham who is a revered man in Christendom;

    “Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen”

    The sinner’s prayer is an absolute joke. This is yet another man made invention by carnal men who have not only undermined the very word of God, but also make God out to be a liar.

    John 6:44 NO MAN CAN COME TO MEexcept the Father which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day. Your pastor urging you to accept Christ in to your heart to avoid hell is not being drawn by God the Father. Religious people will not tell you about hell until they get you in the back to have a little sit down with you. First, you are grabbed emotionally (remorse for sin) then you are emotionally coerced into becoming a Christian (fear of going to hell). My hope and prayer is that I can open the eyes of some of you who feel hopeless. John 8:32 And YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, and THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE.

    God bless, hang in there, I’m praying for you.

    #842717
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all….GOD SAID….DEU 18:18…I (GOD) will raise up a prophet from among “THEIR BRETHERN”, LIKE UNTO YOU, and will put “MY WORDS” in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I (God) shall command him.

    1…Questions for T8, ANTHONY, TC…..what does “RAISE UP FROM THEIR BRETHERN”, mean to you people’

    2…Question what does LIKE UNTO YOU, mean to you people.

    3…Question what does,he shall speak all, I (God), Shall command him, mean to you people.

    Those who truly believe in the true Jesus should easely answer those questions.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #842718
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..SAYING before Abraham I AM, is far different from saying I WAS “BORN” before Abraham. You force the text to a conclusion, just as the Pharisies did at the time Jesus made that statementm they like you didn’t get what Jesus was truly saying, as they didn’t get what he meant on many other thing also.

    Jesus was addressing their reliance on Abraham as a sign of them being the people of God. Jesus was simply telling he was more “important” then Abraham was. Do you actually think Jesus was so stupid that if he meant “born before” he couldn’t simply say it that way. You should ask yourself if he didn’t actually say it that way, then he obviously meant something else. Common sense for those who have the spirit of truth in them.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene

    #842719
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Yes it is the forgiveness of the Father that scripture reveals is what we must seek.

    This is how it scripture says it can be accessed.

    Repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.

     

    Do not believe me but believe the gospel.

     

    #842720
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Lk15.17

    But when he came to his senses he said,

    ’How many of my Father’s hired men have more than enough bread,

    but I am dying here with hunger. I will get up and go to my Father and say to Him

    ’ Father I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. I am no longer worthy

    to be called your son, make me as one of your hired men’

    So he got up and came to his Father.But while he was still a long way off his Father

    saw him and had compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him.

    #842721
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Did Jesus need the grace of God?

    God’s power shows up best in weak vessels.

    Was he a weak vessel?

     

    #842722
     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene

    This may help: Deuteronomy is when the majesty of the coming Messiah comes upon the vision of Moses. ”The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto Him ye shall hearken” (18:15) “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your ]countrymen, you shall listen to him. Here, again, the necessity for the Incarnation is brought out, as it is in each part of Christ’s threefold office as Prophet, Priest, and King. Even under the old dispensation each office had to be filled by a brother– one of the same flesh and blood.

    And of Jesus we read: ”In all things it behoved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest” (Hebrews

    As King — If, when they came into the land, they should desire a king, the command was: ”One from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee; thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother” Deu.17:.15 you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses, one from among your countrymen you shall set as king over yourselves;

    A Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me.” Deu. 18:15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.

    Can you see that Moses what telling them that He had to be a Jew, not a Gentile. And Jesus Christ was to be like unto His brethren. And that We should listen to him (Jesus Christ).

    We can also see here progressive revalation, ( how God can change and do away with things, speaking of He law in the old Testament, (His word) as He pleases.) We can’t do this. We shouldn’t add or take away from God’s Word. It’s according to His plan not ours.)

    He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak” (John12:48-50) Our only safe course is to believe Christ’s words absolutely, the reliability of Christ’s testimony.

    Peter had been an eye-witness of the glory of Jesus in the Mount [of Transfiguration] when He talked with Moses and Elias [ie. Elijah]. He had heard God’s voice from heaven proclaim, ”This is My beloved Son, hear Him.” Well might Peter call the attention of the people to the fact that He, whom they had denied and put to death, was the Prophet whom Moses had foretold, and whom they were to hear in all things (Acts 3). Well might the woman of Samaria say, ”Come, see a Man which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?” (John 4) . Well may we too recognize Him and cry with Thomas, ”My Lord and my God” John20:27-28)

    So I hope realize that the Prophet, King  and priest of Deu. was know other then Christ Jesus, the Messiah. Sent by His Father,

    Isaiah 9:6 

    For a child will be born to usson will be given to usAnd the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
    for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
    #842723
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    So you have identified the man from prophecy chosen by God and anointed over all as prophet, priest and king.

    Then obey him.

    #842724
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony…..you still didn’t answer those questions I ask you, please answer them, not with unstained scriptures, but just answer the text given, without changing subject matter. Can you do that?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #842725
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick and Jodi….know what intersting here?, five were wise and five were foolish.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #842726
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    The INCARNATION is an invention of ignorant carnal men.

     

    Jesus Christ was not God in flesh.

    He was a man that God chose as a vessel for His work.

    We are human vessels too and God can  be at work in us too to will and to do.

    phil 2.13

    #842729
     Jodi 
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    Great Posts Gene and good questions from Deuteronomy 18!

    In the unity of our faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man,

    Bless you, Jodi

    #842730
     Jodi 
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    Hi TC,

    YOU: Nowhere does it say that Jesus was begotten with the holy spirit at Jordan. Nowhere does it say that Christ was begotten of the holy spirit at birth.

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

    ME:

    The One True God our heavenly Father speaking to David giving David prophecy concerning David’s son said,

    Psalms 2 “Thou art my Son; THIS DAY have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.”

    TC, when was David’s son born of God’s Spirit as God had promised by HIS OWN WORD? On what DAY did our One True God the Father fulfill HIS WORD that He SPOKE to David in a PROMISE concerning the Son of Man David’s seed?

    When did our One True God the Father’s own WORD spoken to the prophet Isaiah that Isaiah wrote in chapters 11, 42, and 61 go from being God’s promise to actually existing in the flesh, IN a Son of Man?

    What was our One True God our Father’s “promise”, meaning His WORD, that He gave to mankind before the world was? His WORD was a promise of eternal life.

    How is it that we have eternal life TC? Who is it that we are directly told we must believe in to have eternal life according to John? The Son of Man that is who, David’s son who God anointed with His Spirit according to Isaiah 11, 42, and 61, of which Jesus himself quoting Isaiah was fulfilled upon his baptism, as Jesus says he was ANOINTED and SENT out. That anointing we are told is OF the SPIRIT, that anointing we are told made him FULL of the Spirit and power, that anointing we are told says that GOD was IN him. All equate to Jesus having been begotten by God, born that day at the river of God’s Spirit.

    At that moment upon the Spirit descending upon Jesus, Jesus is being BORN of God’s Spirit, being FULL of the Spirit, and GOD SAYS AT THAT MOMENT “THIS IS MY SON”. God fulfilled EXACTLY what He had promised David. Jesus was made the anointed one, the Son of God, having been born of the Spirit at the Jordan.

    Yes scripture definitely does not say that CHRIST was begotten of the Spirit at his birth. If you mean Christ as in Jesus the anointed, we are told by Jesus himself and in the book of Acts exactly when Jesus became anointed with the Spirit becoming thus the Christ. To be begotten of the Spirit, thus born of God, makes you the Christ, as the promised Messiah was to be the one anointed with the Spirit without measure and with power, a glory that God said He would not give to any other.  

    John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    TC God’s WORD is His Spoken WISDOM, it is often Spoken as concerning the future speaking of His Plan. Before the world was God promised eternal life for mankind, which God brings to us through the death of the perfected Son of Man who God then raises up from the dead with glory and places him, this seed of David, as was promised, at His right hand giving him, this Son of Man, the heavenly man, the second Adam, dominion over all the works of the One True God our Father’s Hands.

     As we are told by the prophet David that it is the Son of Man that God crowns with glory and sets him to have dominion over the works of His hands. 

    What was the GLORY TC that the people beheld? They certainly did not see some NON FLESH only begotten Son.  

    The glory that the people beheld was Jesus of Nazareth who had been anointed with the Spirit SENT out to do good deeds, miraculous deeds, and speak God’s word. The glory they beheld was a man in the form of God because God was in him, having all the powers of God. They watched this mortal Jesus in the flesh do that which God’s WORD had said Jesus would do according to the prophets. They witnessed him heal, raise the dead, control the wind, walk on water, multiply food to feed the hungry, speak not his own word, but God’s WORD with authority. Jesus had been filled with the Spirit given grace and truth, Jesus of Nazareth became the only human begotten by God’s Spirit without measure in full power.

    What they saw was a man with God’s powers, and this MAN is who the people are saying is God’s only begotten son. NOT calling him a Son because he pre-existed without flesh as the only begotten Son, but BECAUSE of the powers of God they saw him do. He was GIVEN those powers at the river and then he was SENT out by God to use them to fulfill God’s will, NOT his own will of that of a human able to be tempted, but God’s will.

    Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a VOICE CAME FROM HEAVEN, which said, Thou art my beloved Son…Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath ANNOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

     

     

    #842731
     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene

    You said:

    Questions for T8, ANTHONY, TC…..what does “RAISE UP FROM THEIR BRETHERN”, mean to you people’ For one He Raise up many Prophets, after His brethren. Most failed. Except one, The Messiah the Lord Jesus Christ that His Father sent, He did what they couldn’t, die for the sins of the whole world.

    2…Question what does LIKE UNTO YOU, mean to you people. It’s mean He was like on to His brethren, His brethren killed Him. So He could die for the sin of the whole world.” He took on the form of man so this could be accomplished.

    3…Question what does,he shall speak all, I (God), Shall command him, mean to you people. That He spoke the same Word of the Father.why not, Him and His Father are one. Same mission, to save  every last person.

    saiah 9:6 

    For a child will be born to usson will be given to usAnd the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
    for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
    Listen to Him : “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him.
    God bless 🙏 I’ll be praying for you.
    #842735
     t8 
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    T8…..SAYING before Abraham I AM, is far different from saying I WAS “BORN” before Abraham. You force the text to a conclusion,

    That’s funny because I just quoted the scripture and I guess you just read it as meaning that. Enough said.

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     t8 
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    Ad hominem attacks add nothing to your credibility.

    Lots of lols with that comment.

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     t8 
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    Seems as if you don’t even have a clue as to what the word Christ (Christos) means, it means anointed which anointed is also used as Chrio “to anoint”.

    No matter what you think, Jesus was the Christ in the City of David, because it is written. You are not above scripture are you?

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     Jodi 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Did it ever occur to you that when Paul says  “HE” that “HE” Paul is referring to is the resurrected Jesus? Jesus who is no longer flesh and blood, did in fact partake of the same. Paul wants to make certain the people know that the Jesus who sits at God’s right hand was flesh and blood, just like we are, he was tempted just like we are.

    “HE” that now has been resurrected, before “he” was resurrected, “he” took part of flesh and blood just like us.

    The brethren are already his brethren, then Jesus the son of Abraham chooses to be made like his brethren in some way, in what way did Jesus make himself like his brethren?

    The passage does not say a pre-existing son chooses to be made into a human, now does it Anthony, but isn’t that exactly what you are forcing the text to say? 

    It says Jesus chose to be made like his brethren, he already exists as one of the brethren, so how does he make himself like one of them? WE ARE TOLD EXACTLY. The brethren here are PRIESTS, not just any priest but sons of Abraham, like Jesus is a son of Abraham. So you have Jesus a son of Abraham just like the priests, and how does Jesus make himself like his brethren the priests? Priests made animal sacrifices for the sins of the people. Jesus sacrifices himself dying on the cross to make a reconciliation for the sins of the people. This is how it behoved Jesus to be made like his brethren.

    HEBREWS 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, “he” also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

    HEBREWS 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

    WHAT is the message of this chapter Paul is teaching to the people? That the one that sits at God’s right hand that has glory is the Son of Man. God has given this man dominion over all the works of His hands, He put all things in subjection under him, which means this man is before all things, in his hands all things consist, but all things have yet to be put under him. He became a high priest, he is a righteous judge as that priest because he was just like us of flesh and blood able to be tempted as we are tempted knowing human infirmity and temptation, and thus this Son of Man who now has glory and dominion over all, he is able to HELP those who are tempted.

    Paul is speaking about the Son of Man who now sits in heaven crowned with glory given dominion over all things, it behoved this Son of Man to be made like his brethren, like one of the priest from the tribe of Levi a son of Abraham, he did so by sacrificing himself for the reconciliation of our sins.

    Deuteronomy 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 

    Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a VOICE CAME FROM HEAVEN, which said, Thou art my beloved Son…Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath ANNOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

    John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    The Spirit descend upon Jesus

    After the Spirit descended upon him, he is said to be full of the Spirit

    Likewise he is said to be in the power of the Spirit

    After the Spirit descended upon Jesus he says that the Spirit of the Lord is upon me and he calls it HIS anointing

    He says the purpose of this anointing, the receiving of the Spirit, is for him to be sent out to PREACH God’s word

    John says, that Jesus speaks the word of God because God has GIVEN him the Spirit without measure, which makes sense because Luke said after Jesus was anointed with the Spirit at the river that he was  FULL of the Spirit. 

    The prophet that was in God’s word in Deuteronomy that would one day COME, CAME to the people upon Jesus being made full of God’s Spirit upon his baptism and sent out to preach the Gospel of God. This is God’s WORD where a prophet that would one day come, becomes true in Jesus, a man with anointed flesh speaking God’s words.

    Matthew 21:9 The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”“Hosanna in the highest heaven!” 10 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” 11 The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

    Jesus sent out upon his baptism having been ANOINTED to preach God’s word, comes in the name of the LORD, because what he speaks is not his words, he is speaking for the LORD, in His name. That is what you do when you are speaking for someone else, you are speaking in their name. Jesus is God’s messenger, God’s prophet.  Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. <span class=”verse-18″> </span>19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

     

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     t8 
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    T8…..Jesus is NOT the anointing, he is the anointed one. Big difference in understanding. You false teachers preach the man Jesus as the anointing HIMSELF, “spirit” or”word” of God himself.

    That is false. The Word became flesh. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Nobody is saying the body he partook of is the anointing. Stop being silly now. Saying things like this that are not true is dishonest and one of the lowest and desperate tactics employed when losing a debate.

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