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Nick the scriptures say so. So it’s a NO for you. How can you so easily deny that scripture. He either had the glory before the world was or He didn’t , this scripture say He did. Later
Hi Anthony,
Your Father is just in yourself and your own understanding it seems.
If that is your foundation you have become unteachable.
The Spirit teaches the humble servants of God.
Nick doesn’t do yes / no questions because he is knows it requires a level of honesty that would condemn his own teaching. Perhaps Nick could explain his position if somehow the scripture regarding letting your yes be yes does not apply to him.
Hi T8,
Pilate therefore entered again into the praetorium, and summoned Jesus, and said to him
’You are the king of the Jews?’
Jesus answered,
’Are you saying this of your own initiative, or did others tell you about me?’
Pilate answered
‘I am not a Jew am I.? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered you up to me; what have you done?’
Jesus answered
‘My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom was of this world my servants would be fighting,
that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is my kingdom in not of this realm’
Pilate therefore said to him
‘So you are a king then?’
Jesus answered
‘You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world,
to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.’
Accuser of the brethren, how many charges will you lay against our Master?
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To ALL,
Anthony said: If you think that our unity of faith is making out that Jesus Christ ” is just a man” then you have a whole lot to learn. Later
Me: Jesus is a perfect human, that is what I believe because that is what scripture says,
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Not only is this stated but what comes after it is profound,
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
There is one doctrine, one Gospel, one faith that we all need to be in unity of but we are not on this forum. I keep this FAITH, while others give many different doctrines hoping that others will believe what they say.
FINALLY a man on earth became perfected, and I thank our Almighty Creator who had it all planned since the beginning, since before He even made a human. I thank Him because through that perfection of a human I will also become a perfected human being. The One True God anointed a human servant from among the tribe of Judah with His Spirit without measure. This human paid the penalty for our sins, he rose from the dead, and we too shall rise from the dead and be like him, for our Almighty Creator made HUMAN BEINGS in His image, and Jesus now with eternal life is the new beginning dwelling in righteousness having overcome temptation. He is the firstborn of the dead, the firstborn of eternal life, the firstborn over all creation having been given dominion over the works of our Almighty Creator’s hands. He is a PERFECT HUMAN BEING who is no longer in bondage.
When the servant of the tribe of Judah was anointed with the full measure of God’s Spirit he was sent out into the world in the form of God, but he did not proclaim himself as God, he declared the TRUTH that he did nothing of himself. Even though he had all that power he instead humbled himself and made himself a servant. He overcame the temptation to use those powers to fulfill his human will, he never gave into the service to his flesh or his carnal mind. Even unto death he overcame the bondage to the fear of death that exists in all humans, he instead stayed true to God’s will unlike any man, so even though he was made in the likeness of men able to be tempted, he did not act earthly but instead heavenly. He did this because he loved God and he loved his brethren. He did this because he believed the Almighty Creator’s plan could be fulfilled, he believed that God had the power to raise him from the dead. He knew this power because such power was even given unto him. He went to the cross believing in the One True God, and we are to be like minded with him, for the whole purpose of Christ, the anointed human being, was to bring us into the faith of the One True God, our Almighty Creator who ALONE exists with powers.
One can read Philippians 2 in the unity of faith that the Apostle Paul told us to have, that Jesus became and is to this day a perfect human being, understanding the meaning in that light, or one can be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine that is against this light.
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Apparently God only has one begotten Son. Can we agree what “begotten” means? Here’s a hint, it doesn’t mean adopted or picked out of a crowd.
When an eagle has eaglets what are they? Eagles.
When a cat has kittens what are they? Cats.
When a bear has cubs what are they? Bears.
When God has an only begotten Son what is He? God in the flesh.
Begotten: Adj. 1. begotten – (of offspring) generated by procreation begotten – (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten.
biological – of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”
Jodi, what does the Bible say about a perfect man? To sum it up – not one! All have sinned. None are righteous, no not one.
No man born under the curse of the fall of Adam and Eve could be perfect. Only a begotten Son of God could reverse the curse. He would be without the curse of Adam as a father and would instead have God as a Father. Understand?
Nick, I don’t need to debate this topic but if you feel compelled to then by all means go ahead. Nice little piece of bait there though, suggesting that I said that Yeshua was not a man when I said the exact opposite. Not going to work.
Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.Hi Nick
Dig deeper Nick: well it’s apparent that you don’t know what the word “before” means, so I think you should dig deeper. So it’s a no for you. So Jesus wasn’t before the world was? Yes or no? You really can’t give a yes or no, sad. Later
Hi Jodi
I asked you if : Jesus was before the world was? yes or no. You go off on this long , lame answer and never answered my Question. What up with that. Apparently you don’t know what before means. So it’s a no for you with a little tricky. Later
Hi Anthony,
I missed your direct question.
You:”I asked you if : Jesus was before the world was? yes or no.”
ME: Jesus the CHRIST (anointed human) did not exist before the world was, NO he did NOT.
The Word of God that contained Jesus the CHRIST and eternal life did exist.
Here is the SCRIPTURAL PROOF——–
2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, ACCORDING to the PROMISE of life which is in Christ Jesus,….9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus BEFORE the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, PROMISED before the world began;
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Romans 1: Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Anthony, I hope you do not find the above scriptures lame.
Here is a summary of those passages,
Before the One True God created the earth in His WORD He PROMISED eternal life, and this life was planned in AN ANOINTING of a HUMAN, a servant of the seed, of the loins of David, a true descendant of David, would become THE CHRIST, the anointed. As God had promised David on a certain day God would become a Father to David’s son.
The CHRIST was a promise we are directly told before the world began. This anointing made the son of David a Son of God, and this Son was SENT OUT into the world. As Jesus said upon his death on the cross, he finished the WORK, the work that began upon his anointing, the work that Jesus quoted from the prophet Isaiah. Jesus asked to receive the glory, which was the promise of eternal life given before the world began, that was HELD in the promise of the coming CHRIST before the world began and he had become that anointed one.
Jesus of the seed of David BECAME the CHRIST, there is NO “anointed” that existed before, the anointed walked out from the river and into the wilderness, and after he had been tempted and stayed true to God’s will, he was then sent out into the world, the Son of God was sent, to preach, to heal, to deliver captives, to perform signs and miracles, to bring people into the FAITH of the One True God, and believe in God’s words, that He does fulfill those words.
Matthew 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying,Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them,But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus says he is the Son of a HUMAN, he is the literal descendant of David. Simon Peter believes that he is the ANOINTED which equates him to the Son of God.
Jesus is the Son of Man and he is the Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit of Holiness BECAUSE he was ANOINTED, because he was MADE the CHRIST.
So many different doctrines that toss people to and fro not holding to the TRUTH that Jesus was made into a perfect human by the full measure of an anointing/ according to the Spirit of Holiness.
Dig4truth ….where did I say “Jewish belivers in the first centry was calling Jesus a God”, no I never said that or implied that at all, I said there was a group of so called believers called the GNOSTIC’S , who taught that Jesus was a God, and was only desguised as a man, but was really a God who came from the pelora of the Gods.
To prove this just check it out on the internet, I am not talking about the present day Gnostic’s, but those at the time of the apostles, who had came into the church at the time of John, these were the one John spoke of as not being of the true believers who left the church, which only proved that all in the church were not all of them, they were the ones who denied Jesus came into his existence as a flesh and blood human being, who taught Jesus was a GOD, sent from the Pelora of the God’s. 1 John 2:19, who do you think these were. Their false teachings of Jesus beibg a God would eventually infected the whole church, as it is this very day. 2 Ths 2…..they created the “Lie” which is Jesus is a God. That “LIE” which Jesus out of his own mouth will desolve at his return. Can you imagine the shock to all of CHRISTENDOM when Jesus tells them I AM NOT A GOD, I NEVER WAS A GOD , I NEVER PREXISTED MY BERTH ON THIS EARTH EITHER, I WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A HUMAN BEING JUST LIKE YOU ALL, I AM A SON OF MANKIND LIKE I SAID OVER 80 TIMES, I AM THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF KING DAVID. I HAVE A GOD THE SAME GOD YOU HAVE, I ALSO HAVE A HEAVENLY FATHER, THE SAME HEAVENLY FATHER YOU HAVE. What a shock to modern christianity that’s going to be.
Dig4truth where do you fit in that would be the question?
Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
Hi Anthony,
Your reliance on literalism causes you to get confused.
The Son of man didn’t exist before the first man.
But scripture tells us about the eternal Spirit
Hi Dig4,
You do need to challenge the weak foundation you have built on.
It comes from man and not from God.
There is no trinity god.
Such is idolatry.
Jodi: “..for our Almighty Creator made HUMAN BEINGS in His image..”
Who is the “Almighty Creator” then? Who made human beings? Who created all things?
Gene, what are you talking about “a” god? No one has claimed that Yeshua was “a” god except the JWs. I would not claim that. Try again.
Hi Dig4,
ps 45
Gird Thy sword on thy thigh , O mighty one, in thy splendour and majesty!
And in thy majesty ride on victoriously for the case of truth and meekness and righteousness;
Let thy right hand teach thee awesome things.Thy arrows are sharp: the peoples fall under thee;
thy arrows are in the heart of the King’s enemies.
Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; Therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee
with the oil of Joy above thy fellows.
The words of prophecy about the man chosen and anointed with the powers of God to rule from the throne of David.
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