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Adam….. Jodi and I are both right brother. I am a Unitarian, a deist , as my words have always shown. I believe in “one God”, or mediator between God And men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ “. I believe in the Shema “hear O Israel, the LORD our GOD is “ONE” LORD” , I also believe exactly what Jesus himself clearly said, “Father, this is life eternal , that they might come to know “You”, the “ONLY” TRUE GOD”, and Jesus Christ who you have sent”., YOU EITHER believe there is “ONLY” , ONE “true” GOD, OR NOT .
Adam you have let the Jewish mindset cloud up your thinking brother, why would you ever think their teachings are ever going to accept , the one they falsely accused and had killed, in the first place? You are never going to get the truth about our lord Jesus Christ from them brother. However, even of the Jews there are a few that do believe, why not listen to them brother?
peace and love to you and yours Adam……..gene
Adam….. Jodi and I are both right brother. I am a Unitarian, a deist , as my words have always shown. I believe in “one God”, or mediator between God And men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ “. I believe in the Shema “hear O Israel, the LORD our GOD is “ONE” LORD” , I also believe exactly what Jesus himself clearly said, “Father, this is life eternal , that they might come to know “You”, the “ONLY” TRUE GOD”, and Jesus Christ who you have sent”., YOU EITHER believe there is “ONLY” , ONE “true” GOD, OR NOT .
Adam you have let the Jewish mindset cloud up your thinking brother, why would you ever think their teachings are ever going to accept , the one they falsely accused and had killed, in the first place? You are never going to get the truth about our lord Jesus Christ from them brother. However, even of the Jews there are a few that do believe, why not listen to them brother?
Hello brother Gene, thanks for your post to me on Jesus. In fact I was keen on Unitarianism like you and Sister Jodi for the past 10 years and so. But I am not convinced by the interpretations of Unitarianism on the nature and person of Jesus as per the NT which clearly defines Jesus as preexisting being and is much involved in God’s creation and Soteriology (salvation).
Coming to your assumption that I am deviated by the Jewish mindset is another misunderstanding on me. I am on neutral ground these days and away from any influences of both Christianity and Judaism as both are having biased concepts on God and Messiah. But I am certainly become a Skeptic these days as the religion has become irrelevant for human life in this scientific age especially during the Pandemic. But I am looking forward to learn from all of you here. I remain indebted to you for your good support and guidance in my spiritual journey.
Thanks and peace to you……Adam
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Once again, scripture tells you WHEN he was sent.
Jesus quotes an OT prophecy concerning himself, prophecy of a coming anointed one who would be the offspring of Jesse (Isaiah 7,42,61).
According to YHVH’s word, according to His promise, FIRST you have an offspring of Jesse, THEN the Spirit of YHVH comes upon him where he is anointed for the purpose of being sent out into the world TO preach, TO heal, TO liberate.
for the purpose of being sent OUT into the world
ME: FIRST AND FOREMOST I AM SICK OF READING YOUR CORRUPTED VERSION that
Jesus was SENT OUT INTO…!
NO JODI, Jesus was not SENT OUT INTO… OK, BUT JUST
SENT INTO!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS WAS NOT OF THIS WORLD,
HE WAS ALREADY BORN OUT OF THIS WORLD,
THAT’S WHY HE WAS SENT
INTO THE WORLD!
Read please and don’t corrupt scripture SIMPLY TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST.
NOW READ John8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above.
You are of this world,
I am not of this world.
OK, SIS Jodi!
Now just read Mark6:7 Calling the Twelve to him,
he began to send them out
two by two and gave them authority over impure spirits.
Jesus, in the above, SENDS THEM OUT of their NORMAL function of the world and
INTO a new SPIRITUAL FUNCTION OF HEAVEN.
YOU: There was no sending until Jesus received the Spirit at the river Jordan.
Wrong Jodi, THE SENDING OF JESUS WAS WHEN HE WAS STILL IN HEAVEN AND
WAS SENT INTO THE WORLD BY THE FATHER!
Read please:
John8:42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me.
For from God I proceeded and came;
for I came not of myself,
but he sent me:
Now read Isaiah 48:12 Hearken to me, O Jacob, and thou Israel whom I call:
I am he, I am the first, and I am the last. (JESUS CHRIST, pre-existed)
Rev.1:17 And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying:
Fear not. I am the First and the Last, 18And alive, and was dead, and behold I am living forever and ever, and have the keys of death and of hell.
13My hand also hath founded the earth, and my right hand hath measured the heavens: I shall call them, and they shall stand together.
14Assemble yourselves together, all you, and hear: who among them hath declared these things?
the Lord (GOD THE FATHER) hath loved him, (LUCIFER/ISRAEL) he will do his pleasure in Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I,(JESUS, PRE-EXISTED) even I have spoken ( AS “THE WORD”) and called him: (INTO EXISTENCE) I have brought him,(LUCIFER) and his way is made prosperous.(MANIFESTED ON MOUNT TABOR)
16Come ye near unto me, and hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning: (John 1:1)
from the time before it was done, (creation)
ATTENTION Jodi:
I was there, and now the Lord God (THE FATHER)
HATH SENT ME,
(“THE WORD”JESUS the Son of Man, JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE, FULLY MAN)
and his spirit,
THE HOLY GHOST, the Son of God. JESUS’DIVINE NATURE, FULLY GOD)
OK Jodi, THERE IT IS WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE, JESUS PRE-EXISTED AND THAT’S
WHEN JESUS WAS SENT! OK?
STOP CORRUPTING SCRIPTURE!
KEEP ON READING:
17Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel:(JESUS CHRIST)
I am the Lord thy (HUMAN) God that teach thee profitable things, (JESUS, THE ONLY TEACHER)
Matthew 23:8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are brethren.
THAT GOVERN THEE in the way that thou walkest. (JESUS WHO SUSTAINS ALL)
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him,
all things consist.
YOU: Once again, FIRST you have an offspring of Jesse, THEN that offspring is sent.
ME: NO Jodi, FIRST THERE IS GOD THE FATHER, THEN HE SENT JESUS, AS “THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD AND CREATED ALL BY HIM, IN HIM and FOR HIM! WELL CLEAR ABOVE IN
Isaiah 48:12,13 THE TRUTH!
More to come:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……truly I never saw anyone add words and thought to our scripture more then you, you change and corrupted almost every scripture you quote. Making them say what they are not even hinting at. To show everyone here how much you do that, here “just” two, good example .
John 17: 3-4…. And this is life eternal, that they might know ” YOU” the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, and Jesus Christ who you have sent. I have glorified “YOU” on the earth : I have finished the work which “YOU ” gave me to do.
now Carmel, show us how you turn those “YOU’S” around to mean “ME’S” , I know you can because your so good at twisting up all our scriptures , you can surely do it with these also right? , O, and while your at it, here’s another one for you to twist up for us also.
1 TI 2; 3-5….For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God, “OUR SAVIOR” ; who will have “all” men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth; For there is “ONE” GOD, and one mediator between God and men, THE “MAN” Christ Jesus;
Carmel anyone with the slightest, of true understanding can easily know what those scriptures are saying, and what you say, doesn’t even come close to what they clearly say. you seem to have lost your “first love” in God the Father, And will not be excepted, except you repent.
Peace and love to you and yours……. Carmel
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel……truly I never saw anyone add words and thought to our scripture more then you, you change and corrupted almost every scripture you quote. Making them say what they are not even hinting at. To show everyone here how much you do that, here “just” two, good example .
John 17: 3-4…. And this is life eternal, that they might know ” YOU” the “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, and Jesus Christ who you have sent. I have glorified “YOU” on the earth : I have finished the work which “YOU ” gave me to do.
now Carmel, show us how you turn those “YOU’S” around to mean “ME’S” , I know you can because your so good at twisting up all our scriptures , you can surely do it with these also right? , O, and while your at it, here’s another one for you to twist up for us also.
1 TI 2; 3-5….For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God, “OUR SAVIOR” ; who will have “all” men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth; For there is “ONE” GOD, and one mediator between God and men, THE “MAN” Christ Jesus;
ME: UNLESS YOU CUT AND PASTE MY OWN WORDS, WHAT YOU SAID ABOVE IS SIMPLY VOID!
Peace ad love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Heaven and God are used interchangeably, kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God mean the same exact thing.
ME: NO, Joi NOT THE SAME!
KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS SPECIFICALLY ONLY IN HEAVEN
ALL SPIRITUAL!
THE KINGDOM OF GOD MEANS IN HEAVEN, ON EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH!
WHICH OCCURRED IMMEDIATELY ONLY
ON JESUS’ DEATH AND TILL PENTECOST!
WELL ASSERTED IN Luke 17:20-37 hereunder:
20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come?
OK Jodi, AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL IN THE ABOVE IT’S MORE THAN CLEAR THAT WHILE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, IS SPECIFICALLY ONLY IN HEAVEN, OUT OF THE WORLD AND IN FULL FUNCTION, ON EARTH, PHYSICALLY AND MORTALLY, DEFINITELY
NOT OF GOD AS GOD IS ETERNALLY, WAS ALL SATANIC, AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD, SPIRITUALLY, WAS NOT YET COME! WELL DECLARED BY JESUS IN HIS OWN WORDS
“YOUR KINGDOM COMES AND YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN” DEFINITELY
SPIRITUAL!
NOW CARRY ON READING Luke PLEASE:
he answered them, and said:
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
AGAIN AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL
“NOT WITH OBSERVATION”
IT IS PIRITUAL DESPITE VISIBLE AND PHYSICAL SIS Jodi! read:
21Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there.
For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
SPIRITUAL!
SOMETHING THAT FOR YOU TOTALLY CARNALLY MINDED, IS
NON-EXISTENT!
22And he said to his disciples: The days will come, when you shall desire to see one day of the Son of man; and you shall not see it.
JESUS IN THE ABOVE MADE IT EMPHATICALLY CLEAR SIS Jodi, and said
YOU SHALL NOT SEE IT, SIMPLY
INVISIBLE, AS IT OCCURRED SPIRITUALLY!
BETWEEN JESUS’DEATH AND PENTECOST!
23And they will say to you: See here, and see there. Go ye not after, nor follow them: 24For as the lightening that lighteneth from under heaven, shineth unto the parts that are under heaven,
so shall the Son of man be in his day.
PRECISELY THE DAY ON JESUS’ DEATH, JUST READ PLEASE:
25But first he must suffer many things, and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it came to pass in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
BETWEEN JESUS’ DEATH AND PENTECOST! 50 DAYS IN ALL! WHEN JESUS RULED EARTH AS
GODMAN!
JESUS CHRIST
27They did eat and drink, they married wives, and were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark: and the flood came and destroyed them all. (PHYSICALLY, HUMANS AND SATANIC)
28Likewise as it came to pass, in the days of Lot: they did eat and drink, they bought and sold, they planted and built. 29And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.(PHYSICALLY, HUMANS AND SATANIC)
30Even thus shall it be in the day
when the Son of man shall be revealed.
CAN YOU SEE IT Jodi, DEFINITELY NOT IT’S ALL SPIRITUAL! HENCE:
JESUS DESTROYED THEM ALL, BUT NOT HUMANS AND SATANIC,
AS HUMANS WERE SIMPLY PURIFIED SPIRITUALLY AND JESUS ABIDED AND RULED EARTH WITHIN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE TILL PENTECOST!
HUMANS BECAME TEMPLES OF GOD BY JESUS BLOOD, DESPITE LIVED IN THEIR NORMAL SINFUL WAYS, A SINS WERE NOT SINS ANYMORE TILL PENTECOST! WELL DECLARED AND PREDICTED BY JESUS’OWN WORDS!
FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT
WHAT THEY DO!
SATAN AND HIS DEMONS FROM JESUS’ DEATH TILL PENTECOST WERE WITHOUT A CAUSE LOCKED IN HELL, AS MOSES’ LAW BECAME VOID BY JESUS’REDEMPTION LAW.
31In that hour, (OF JESUS’DEATH) he that shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not go down to take them away: and he that shall be in the field, in like manner, let him not return back. 32Remember Lot’s wife. 33Whosoever shall seek to save his life, shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose it, shall preserve it.
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, FOR GOD AND HIS SPIRITUAL WORK, IT IS HIS SPIRIT, IN
“THE WORD” SPOKEN OF GOD MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, WHICH GIVES LIFE, ESPECIALLY FROM JESUS DEATH TILL PENTECOST!
THUS, HUMANS DURING THOSE MYSTERIOUS FIFTY DAYS FROM JESUS’DEATH TILL PENTECOST SHOULD HAVE NEVER WORRIED ABOUT DEATH IN THE FLESH, SIMPLY AS
THOUGH THEY LIVED AS EVIL AS EVER IN FLESH, SPIRITUALLY IN THEIR SOULS WERE
TEMPLES OF GOD,
for the simple reason that
SATAN AND HIS DEMONS WERE ERADICATED AND LOCKED USELESS IN HELL AND SUBJECTS TO
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN ON EARTH! READ:
34I say to you: in that night ( OF JESUS’DEATH) there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Jodi ANSWER, SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING,
WHO ARE THESE PARTICULAR, TWO MEN IN
ONE BED?
35Two women shall be grinding together: the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left: two men shall be in the field;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
LIKEWISE Jodi: ANSWER, SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING,
WHO ARE THESE PARTICULAR,
TWO WOMEN GRINDING….
36They answering, say to him: Where, Lord?
37Who said to them:
Wheresoever the body shall be,
thither will the eagles also be gathered together.
ANSWER Jodi:
WHAT IN ACTUAL FACT
THE BODY AND THE EAGLES
ARE IN THE TRUTH?
I’M AFRAID YOU’VE GOT SOME CHEWING TO DO HERE, NO, NO,
NOT PHYSICAL AND CARNAL BUT
SPIRITUAL!
AFTER ALL
GOD’SKINGDOM CAME ON EARTH AND GOD’S WILL WAS ON EARTH
FROM JESUS’DEATH TILL PENTECOST!
HAVE A GO SIS Jodi!
SHOW US YOUR EARTHLY WISDOM WHICH IS ONLY
FOOLISHNESS IN GOD’S EYES!
YOU: Jesus came down from God, and they being not of the world and sent into the world like Jesus, they came down from God as well.
To state it in another way that means the same exact thing,
Jesus and those he spoke of in John 17 all came down from heaven.
ME: NO, Jodi, FOR GOD’S SAKE!
IT’S NOT THE SAME EXACT THING!
SPIRITUALLY,
THE PERSONAL TASKS OF GOD, OF THE DEITY, AD INTRA WHICH
CAME FROM HEAVEN, ALL SPIRITUAL AND ETERNAL!
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD’S WORK OF CREATION AD EXTRA WHICH
CAME ALSO FROM HEAVEN, ALL CARNAL AND MORTAL!
MORE TO COME:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
It is not an increase of light that is needed; it is the surrendering of the soul to God, that by the power of His grace He may make the light He has caused to shine into the heart a living principle of action. PCL 42.3
Carmel……Good “copout”; . You simply can’t catch a snake in a Breyer patch.
peace and love to you and yours ………..gene
Hi Gadam,
Acts 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
If they are not of the world and they are being sent into the world, where are they from?
They are from heaven, in other words they are from God.
If you are sent by God to do the works of God, you are coming from God and doing works from God, in other words, you are coming down from heaven and doings works that have come down from heaven.
The Spirit of God descended and came to dwell IN Jesus where he was then sent out into the world. This was a prophecy of a man that was IN God revealed to Isaiah and Moses before it’s fulfillment. This man and his anointing and sending was IN God even before the world began. Jesus knew that and he speaks to it accordingly.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Proclaimer and Carmel………In God we “all” existed before.
ME: BE SPECIFIC PLEASE, EXPLAIN AND BE SIMPLY CLEAR ABOUT YOUR CONCEPT OF
“IN GOD WE “ALL” EXISTED BEFORE”
WE AS MORTAL CREATURES CREATED OUT OF NOTHING BEFORE WE WERE CREATED WE WERE SIMPLY THAT
NOTHING!
YOU: We are the fulfillment of God the Fathers plan
WHY DON’T YOU SAY SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT AND WHAT WAS AND IS
GOD THE FATHER’S PLAN
YOU: and we’re preordained before we and everything else ever existed.
ME: BE SPECIFIC PLEASE WHERE AND HOW WE WERE PREORDAINED before we and everything else ever existed.
BY THE WAY, JUST BE AWARE AND KEEP IN MIND THESE VERSES OF SCRIPTURES PLEASE:
John1:1IN the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
John 17:5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had,
before the world was, with thee.
3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Colossians:1:1 Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:
16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him.
17And he is before all, and by him all things consist.
YOU: When Jesus said , “no, “MAN” “Can”, ascend up into heaven except he who descended from heaven,
He was speaking of mankind ,
John 3:13 And no man HATH DESCENDED into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,
the Son of man who is in heaven.
ME: IN THE ABOVE JESUS ASSERTED THAT NOT A SINGLE HUMAN OF EARTH IN FLESH, HATH ASCENDED into heaven, but
HE, “THE HUMAN JESUS IN FLESH” THAT DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN,
ANSWER Gene please: WASN’T JESUS DECLARING THAT HE WAS ALREADY A HUMAN IN FLESH IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
SINCE HE DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN? THEN HE MADE IT CERTAIN AND SAID:
the Son of man who is in heaven.
YOU: Jesus was A “Son of man” and therefore a man,
ME: YES Gene, DEFINITELY, EVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS JESUS WAS
“A SON OF MAN”. GOD ALL-KNOWING,
THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD, THE PERFECT IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE OF GOD!
YOU: but all the men that are born from above or heaven,(1)
ME: WHY DON’T YOU EXPLAIN PLEASE HOW ARE HUMANS
“BORN FROM ABOVE”?
RESPECT SCRIPTURE PLEASE!
YOU: will, after they are “born” again (2) like Jesus was, after he was resurrected from the dead,
ME: ANSWER Gene, please, HOW MANY TIMES HUMANS ARE GOING TO BE BORN AGAIN
will also “ascend ” up into heaven exactly like Jesus did.
ACTS 1:9 And when he had said these things, while they looked on, he was raised up: and a cloud received him out of their sight.
ME: Gene, DO YOU MEAN THAT THE HUMAN RACE WILL EVENTUALLY GO TO HEAVEN EXACTLY AS JESUS DID, AS MENTIONED IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE?
YOU: Jesus is the “first born” OF “MANY” BROTHERS”, not the “ONLY” one born, from above, but of “MANY BROTHERS”
ME: PRODUCE SCRIPTURE PLEASE YOUR VERSION IS NOT CLEAR, IT IS CONFUSING!
Please and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gadam,
Acts 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
If they are not of the world and they are being sent into the world, where are they from?
They are from heaven, in other words they are from God.
If you are sent by God to do the works of God, you are coming from God and doing works from God, in other words, you are coming down from heaven and doings works that have come down from heaven.
The Spirit of God descended and came to dwell IN Jesus where he was then sent out into the world. This was a prophecy of a man that was IN God revealed to Isaiah and Moses before it’s fulfillment. This man and his anointing and sending was IN God even before the world began. Jesus knew that and he speaks to it accordingly.
Hi Sis Jodi, again you are misquoting the verses as Acts 17:16-18 which is given below;
16 While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was deeply distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17 So he argued in the synagogue with the Jews and the devout persons, and also in the marketplace[a] every day with those who happened to be there. 18 Also some Epicurean and Stoic philosophers debated with him. Some said, “What does this babbler want to say?” Others said, “He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign divinities.”
I think you meant John 17:16-18
16 They do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you have sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.
I know you are interested on the highlighted statement of Jesus, written by the writer of Fourth Gospel. But the Trinitarians and even non-Trinitarians like Mike, Proclaimer will not agree with you on these arguments of yours stating that Jesus was not preexisting like his disciples mentioned in verse 16 above.
I find lot of variations in the texts of NT writers on the nature and person of Jesus which I mentioned in my previous posts. I quote few of them for your ready reference;
- John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…
14 And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son…15 John testified to him and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.’” - John 6:62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
- John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
- John 17:5 So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed
- Col 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 17 He himself is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
- Rev 3:14 “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the origin[a] of God’s creation:
- Rev 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
The above are few such verses which clearly talk about the preexistence of Jesus. But the Hebrew Bible never talks about the preexistence of Messiah and it’s purely the creation of the NT writers about Jesus the so called Messiah.
Adam, Jodi is exactly right, in what she wrote to you. Jesus was the “prophesied ” word of God , that came true, ” God’s word spoken through the prophets”, became true, by Jesus coming into his “only existence ” He ever had on this earth. He was a prophesied human being, just like Cyrus was ,who was prophesied and even named by God , 200 years before he ever existed. So you see Cyrus was also the word of God who came in the flesh. So why don’t everyone call Cyrus the word of God then?
Adam turn away from those Jewish and false Christian fables and ” COME BACK TO THE TRUE FAITH you once had BROTHER”. Me and Jodi both are trying to pull you back to the sound footing you used to have Brother. Check this site out Adam.
http://www.restoration fellowship.org .
peace and love to you and yours Adam………gene
Hi Gadam,
Isaiah:48:12 Hearken to me, O Jacob, and thou Israel whom I call: I am he, I am the first, and I am the last.
13My hand also hath founded the earth, and my right hand hath measured the heavens: I shall call them, and they shall stand together.
14Assemble yourselves together, all you, and hear: who among them hath declared these things? the Lord hath loved him, he will do his pleasure in Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15I, even I have spoken and called him: I have brought him, and his way is made prosperous.
16Come ye near unto me, and hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning: from the time before it was done,
I was there, and now the Lord God hath sent me, and his spirit.
17Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: I am the Lord thy God that teach thee profitable things, that govern thee in the way that thou walkest.
18O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments: thy peace had been as a river, and thy justice as the waves of the sea,
19And thy seed had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof:
his name should not have perished, nor have been destroyed from before my face.
YOU: But the Hebrew Bible never talks about the preexistence of Messiah and it’s purely the creation of the NT writers about Jesus the so-called Messiah.
Gadam, it would be quite interesting to hear your comments regarding Isaiah 48, especially the highlighted above, which is a clear reference to a mysterious being, and this mysterious being is talking about another “HIM” and about Himself that He spoke in the very beginning, that He was there, and that the Lord God hath sent
Him and the spirit of God.
He also declared that He is the redeemer of this “HIM” plus that He also is the Holy One of Israel, a teacher, and the Lord God of this “HIM” who according to this mysterious being, the name of this “HIM” is perished and destroyed from the face of this mysterious being, who was there in the very beginning!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
YOU: So you see Cyrus was also the word of God who came in the flesh.
ME: Gene, THERE ‘S ONLY ONE WORD OF GOD, AND
ONLY THIS WORD OF GOD WAS MADE FLESH,
AND IF YOU ACCEPT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURE IN BLACK ON WHITE,
THIS WORD OF GOD IS JESUS, AND
ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY THIS WORD NAMED JESUS, WHICH INCLUDES ALSO CYRUS MR Gene! AND
WITHOUT HIM WAS MADE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT WAS MADE,
YOU: So why don’t everyone call Cyrus the word of God then?
THAT’S WHY DOESN’T EVERYONE CALL CYRUS THE WORD OF GOD!
peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gadam,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, Promised before the world began;
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Before the world was, YHVH had a plan and in that plan was a promise, HIS WORD, of eternal life unto man. Jesus preached the Word of eternal life promised unto man and he became the first born of the dead receiving eternal life.
8:10 And if Christ (anointed) be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Scripture unites together bringing forth a clear understanding to that which is true.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles….6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
John 1:3 All things were made by (reason of) him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by (reason of) him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit….
….34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
The Word from the beginning was eternal life unto man which would come through God and the giving of His Spirit producing righteousness. Jesus was the only mortal man begotten of the Spirit without measure. He was David’s son to whom God had promised He would be a Father to and would not take his mercy away from him, where he would settle him in His House, His kingdom forever. God’s WORD spoken in prophecy, that had been With God from the beginning, became true in the flesh of Jesus when the Spirit descended upon him like a dove and it also became true in the flesh when Jesus was resurrected receiving the promised Holy Spirit and immortality for all eternity. Believing in Jesus is believing that God’s Spirit causes righteousness and brings man into eternal life. Jesus is proof, he is the fulfillment of God’s Word that was from the beginning. That Word that was from the beginning has been With God ever since and that Word is Him because His Spirit is life because of righteousness.
John chapter 1 DOES NOT teach pre-existence, it is all about God’s Word of Life, His Promises that were from the beginning concerning eternal life through the Spirit and the man who would fulfill it, the man who would be called to righteousness for to be light, a man who would become the firstborn of many brethren.
Hi Gadam,
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The above scripture is clearly speaking of his resurrection from the grave where he then walked on the earth once more appearing to many.
By the power of God’s Spirit, He quickeneth, PRODUCE ALIVE, TO CAUSE TO LIVE
- John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…
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