The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

[carmel]

 

HI Jodi,

In the vision given to Nathan to give to David there is most certainly NO Son of God that exists yet, there is no Son who is already settled in YHVH’s house yet. There is no Son of God who comes down to earth  and becomes adopted into David’s house.
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>lies, lies, and lies.</span></h1>
Scriptures:

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,
<h2> the Son of man </h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>who is in heaven.</span></h1>
<h1>John 3:34 For he whom</h1>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE?</span></h2>
<h2>God hath sent, <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(before the world was PERFECT PRESENT TENSE) </span></h2>
speaketh the words of God: for God doth not give the Spirit by measure. 35The Father loveth the Son: and
<h2> he hath given<span style=”color: #0000ff;”> (before the world was</span><span style=”color: #0000ff;”> PERFECT PRESENT TENSE)</span></h2>
all things into his hand.

John6:61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them:
<h2>Doth this scandalize you?</h2>
<h1> 62 If then you shall see the Son of man </h1>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>ascend up where he was before? ( even befo</span><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>re the world was)</span></h1>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE?</span></h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>1That which was from the beginning,</span><span style=”color: #0000ff;”> (before the world was)</span></h1>
which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the word of life. 2For the life was manifested: and we have seen and do bear witness and

declare unto you the life eternal,
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>which was with the Father</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(before the world was)</span>and</h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> hath appeared to us.</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(perfect present tense</span>)</h1>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”><strong style=”font-size: 16px;”>1John4: 2By this is the spirit of God known.</span></h2>
Every spirit which confesseth that
<h2> Jesus Christ <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(pre-existed)</span> is </h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>come in the flesh is of G<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>od:</span></span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRI</span><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>PTURE JODI and GENE</span></h2>
John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins.

For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. 25They said therefore to him:
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Who art thou? </span></h2>
Jesus said to them:
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>The beginning,</span></h1>
who also speak unto you. 

 

John16:28For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me and have believed that
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> I came out from God.</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(before the world was)</span></h1>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>28I came forth from the Father and am come into the world: </span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> again I leave the world and I go to the Father.</span></h2>
 

John17:3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, ( <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>IN ME BOTH</span>)
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> the only true God, and Jesus Christ,</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(GODMAN ON EARTH)</span> <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>whom </span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>thou hast sent.</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>( before the world was; PERFECT PRESENT TENSE</span>)</h2>
 

John17:5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,

with the glory which I had,
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>before the world was, with thee.</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>( IN JESUS CHRIST)</span></h2>
<h2>John17:24 <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Father, I will that where I am,</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(JESUS CHRIST)</span></h2>
<h2>they also whom thou</h2>
<h2> hast given me <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(BEFORE THE WORLD WAS)</span> may be with me:</h2>
that they may see
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>my glory which thou </span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>hast given me,</span><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(before the world was; PERFECT PRESENT TENSE)</span></h2>
because thou hast loved me (perfect present tense)
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>before the creation of the world.</span></h2>
Philippians 2:For let this mind be in you,
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>which was also in Christ Jesus: <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(before the world was)</span></span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”><span style=”color: #000000;”> 6Who being in the</span> FORM <span style=”color: #000000;”>of God,</span> <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(in JESUS CHRIST)</span></span></h2>
<h3>thought it not robbery to be</h3>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> equal with God:</span></h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> 7But emptied himself,</span></h1>
<h2> taking the<span style=”color: #ff0000;”> FORM</span> of a servant,</h2>
being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man.

 8He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. 

9For which cause, God also hath exalted him and hath given him a name which is above all names: 10That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11And that every tongue should confess that
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of </span></h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>God the Father.</span></h1>
<h3>Ephesians 4:4 One body and one Spirit: (IN CHRIST) as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5One Lord,(JESUS CHRIST)  one faith, one baptism.</h3>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>6One God and Father of all,</span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> who is above all,</span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> and through all, and in us all.</span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(JESUS CHRIST)</span></h2>
 

Isaiah48:15 I, even I (GOD THE FATHER) have spoken and CALLED HIM:
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(LET THERE BE LIGHT)</span></h2>
I have BROUGHT HIM, and HIS WAY is made
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>prosperous.</span></h1>
16Come ye near unto me,
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>and hear this:</span></h2>
I (JESUS CHRIST)

have not spoken in secret from
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> THE BEGINNING:</span></h2>
<span style=”color: #0000ff;”> (IN THE HEART OF LUCIFER</span>)
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> from the time BEFORE it was done,</span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(IN LUCIFER,  AS “THE WORD”)</span></h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>I was there,</span></h1>
<span style=”color: #0000ff;”> (WITH GOD)</span>
<h2> <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>and now the Lord God hath sent ME,</span></h2>
<span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(JESUS CHRIST, BOTH AS </span>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>“THE WORD” OF GOD, THE SON OF MAN )</span></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”> and</span></h2>
<h1><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>His spirit</span>, </h1>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(THE HOLY GHOST, THE VOICE OF GOD, THE SON OF GOD)</span></h2>
AFFIRMED IN

John 5: 25Amen, amen, I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>THE SON OF GOD: </span></h2>
and they that hear shall live. 27And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is <span style=”color: #0000ff;”>(ALSO)</span>
<h2><span style=”color: #ff0000;”>THE SON OF MAN.</span></h2>
<h2></h2>
<h2><span style=”color: #0000ff;”>DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE</span></h2>
 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[carmel]

 

HI Jodi,

In the vision given to Nathan to give to David there is most certainly NO Son of God that exists yet, there is no Son who is already settled in YHVH’s house yet. There is no Son of God who comes down to earth  and becomes adopted into David’s house.

lies, lies, and lies.

Scriptures:

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven,

the Son of man

who is in heaven.

John 3:34 For he whom

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE?

God hath sent, (before the world was PERFECT PRESENT TENSE) 

speaketh the words of God: for God doth not give the Spirit by measure. 35The Father loveth the Son: and

he hath given (before the world was PERFECT PRESENT TENSE)

all things into his hand.

John6:61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them:

Doth this scandalize you?

62 If then you shall see the Son of man

ascend up where he was before? ( even before the world was)

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE?

1That which was from the beginning, (before the world was)

which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the word of life. 2For the life was manifested: and we have seen and do bear witness and

declare unto you the life eternal,

which was with the Father (before the world was)and

hath appeared to us. (perfect present tense)

1John4: 2By this is the spirit of God known.

Every spirit which confesseth that

 Jesus Christ (pre-existed) is

come in the flesh is of God:

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE

John 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins.

For if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sin. 25They said therefore to him:

Who art thou?

Jesus said to them:

The beginning,

who also speak unto you. 

 

John16:28For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me and have believed that

I came out from God. (before the world was)

28I came forth from the Father and am come into the world: 

again I leave the world and I go to the Father.

 

John17:3 Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, ( IN ME BOTH)

the only true God, and Jesus Christ, (GODMAN ON EARTH) whom

thou hast sent. ( before the world was; PERFECT PRESENT TENSE)

 

John17:5 And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself,

with the glory which I had,

before the world was, with thee. ( IN JESUS CHRIST)

John17:24 Father, I will that where I am, (JESUS CHRIST)

they also whom thou

hast given me (BEFORE THE WORLD WAS) may be with me:

that they may see

my glory which thou

hast given me,(before the world was; PERFECT PRESENT TENSE)

because thou hast loved me (perfect present tense)

before the creation of the world.

Philippians 2:For let this mind be in you,

which was also in Christ Jesus: (before the world was)

 6Who being in the FORM of God, (in JESUS CHRIST)

thought it not robbery to be

equal with God:

 7But emptied himself,

taking the FORM of a servant,

being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man.

 8He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross. 

9For which cause, God also hath exalted him and hath given him a name which is above all names: 10That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11And that every tongue should confess that

the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of

God the Father.

Ephesians 4:4 One body and one Spirit: (IN CHRIST) as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5One Lord,(JESUS CHRIST)  one faith, one baptism.

6One God and Father of all,

who is above all,

and through all, and in us all.

(JESUS CHRIST)

 

Isaiah48:15 I, even I (GOD THE FATHER) have spoken and CALLED HIM:

(LET THERE BE LIGHT)

I have BROUGHT HIM, and HIS WAY is made

prosperous.

16Come ye near unto me,

and hear this:

I (JESUS CHRIST)

have not spoken in secret from

THE BEGINNING:

 (IN THE HEART OF LUCIFER)

 from the time BEFORE it was done,

(IN LUCIFER,  AS “THE WORD”)

I was there,

(WITH GOD)

 and now the Lord God hath sent ME,

(JESUS CHRIST, BOTH AS

“THE WORD” OF GOD, THE SON OF MAN )

and

His spirit,

(THE HOLY GHOST, THE VOICE OF GOD, THE SON OF GOD)

AFFIRMED IN

John 5: 25Amen, amen, I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of

THE SON OF GOD:

and they that hear shall live. 27And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is (ALSO)

THE SON OF MAN.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE JODI and GENE

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel…..man your mind must be spinning in a million circles, you are so confused about what scriptures “actually” say,  it’s mind boggling.  You seem unable to take any scripture at face value,  you feel need to add to everyone of them you own thoughts, why is that?

You simply ignore t h e mountain of Scriptures Jodi and I “quote”  to you as if they were not even written in your bible, and we are not adding our own thoughts into them trying  to make them say what in fact the are not even hinting at, as you constantly are doing.  

Wisdom is not the man Jesus it is an “attribute ” of the Spirit of God, which he (GOD) USED and USES IN CREATING THIS WHOLE EARTH AND EVERYTHING IN IT.  it,  as well as the other atributes of God the Father can be seen  in  what he has created. Wisdom is “not” a person it never was and never will be.  WHILE we as well as Jesus can poses that atribute in us, it is never us, n nor is it the man Jesus either. 

You never cease doing the Work of Satan, trying desperately to “seperate” Jesus , from his brothers and sisters .  Making him into your GOD, and worshiping him as such,  INSTEAD OF making the God of Jesus your God, you have pushed him aside and replaced him with Jesus, this is something Jesus never did, nor ever thought of doing.   You are doing exactly what 2ths2,  says. and don’t even know it,  being unable to see it by the “deluding Spirit sent to you from God” for not loving the truth.  Pray that God might remove the blindness from you or you will suffer the rebuke from Jesus own mouth at his return. 2THS2.  

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

[Jodi]

Hi Carmel,

I’m in full agreement with what Gene said, as I’m sure that is no surprise to you.

ME:

In the vision given to Nathan to give to David there is most certainly NO Son of God that exists yet, there is no Son who is already settled in YHVH’s house yet. There is no Son of God who comes down to earth and becomes adopted into David’s house.

YOU: lies, lies, and lies.

ME: NO LIES, JUST DIRECT SCRIPTURE,

1 Chronicles 17:10 And since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the LORD will build thee an house. 11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I WILL raise up THY SEED after thee, which SHALL BE of thy sons; and I WILL establish his kingdom. 12 He SHALL build me an house, and I WILL establish his throne for ever. 13 I WILL BE his father, and he SHALL BE my son: and I WILL not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I WILL settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. 15 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

Carmel you and others time and time again prove to be illiterate, unable to read the CLEAR TEXT. The above passage is YHVH’s WORD made true in Jesus. This passage, if one has any integrity for the truth, then it would be applied to all of the rest of scripture. However most do not apply it, they turn YHVH’s word into total lies, as they believe in a doctrine that has rewritten all together “who” would come into the world to be a savior.

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise RAISED unto Israel a Savior, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached BEFORE HIS COMING the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

There was NO sending down to earth a pre-existing Son of God to save the world, such is NOT WRITTEN, it’s actually a total lie against direct scripture. There IS the PROMISED seed of David who then is raised up upon being baptized by John to be SENT to be a savior, a son of David having been begotten of God’s Spirit for to preach, for to perform signs and miracles, and TO DELIVER CAPTIVES SETTING MANKIND AT LIBERTY from their sins.

 Carmel,

1 Chronicles 17 IS SPEAKING OF JESUS where he does not exist yet, he does not have a kingdom yet, he has not built a house for God yet, God has not given him a kingdom yet, God has not become a Father unto David’s son yet, he does not have God’s mercy upon him yet, he is not settled into God’s house and His kingdom yet. There was no one SENT UNTIL AFTER the baptism John preached. 

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you OF YOUR BRETHREN, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 

He WHOM was SENT was a man like that of Moses to whom God made into a prophet from among his brethren. 

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 3:4 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 

YHVH took David’s son and became a Father unto him, directing all his ways having begotten him with His Spirit without measure. Just as was prophesied this son of David received YHVH’s mercy/grace/goodness upon him and then he was sent out going about doing good works for YHVH was with him. YHVH gave THIS SON OF MAN all the works of YHVH’s hands. This man was NOT OF THIS WORLD, he CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN/FROM GOD, God’s will from heaven, before the world even existed, made true in the flesh of Jesus. 

[GeneBalthrop]

To all…..Let’s read this

John 3 : 18……. He that believes on him is not condemned but he that belives not is condemned already,  because he has not believed in the name of the “only “BEGOTTEN ” son of God. 

Begotten ….Strongs G3439 ….. Greek “mon-og-en-ace”  from G3441 and G1096 ; “only” “BORN” , That is sole; – “only” (begotten, child).

Jesus was indeed the “only” human born child , who God “directly” caused to be “Born” through “impregnation, of a women, “Mary”. 

That is true, but where does that make him any different the the rest of his. “HUMAN”  brothers and sisters,  do you think that because God  caused the impregnation of Mary, that somehow does not make him  another human being born with DNA “exactly as we are? 

And in any of that,  is there any indication of a preexisting life of anykind NO THERE IS NOT, you people jump to conclusion that are not shown in that scripture at all. .

Strong G1096 …..Greek ,  ghin’-om-ahee …. a prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen”-erate), that is to become  or, (come into being), ……….. notice,  to “come” into being”.   THAT, means he never was ” a being” before he came “into  being”. 

Or it would have shown a transferring taken place from one state of  “being to another STATE of  being”, a “morphine ” process,  or a change from one state of being,  to another state of being,  no such thing is even hinted at there at all. 

You think because  God the Father impregnated a women,  that somehow make that person impregnated in t h e women any  different then the rest of humanity? No it does not make him any different the the rest of humanity at all.

But it’s your Satan led desires to make Jesus appear different then  the rest of humanity and place him in place of  God and worship him as such, that causes you to preach the “Doctrine of Seperation ” , given to you from your father the devil. 2THS2.  

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

 

[Jodi]

Hi Carmel,

Proper debate would be to include the scriptures I gave and address them directly and then apply them to other scriptures to give your stance. You however ignored those passages I gave from 1 Chronicles 17 and Luke 1.

They need to be applied to the passages you gave, 

First you have a son of David and then YHVH becomes a Father unto this son of David, that is not a LIE, it’s clear direct scripture!! This son that is to be born you are told that he is a son of David and that he SHALL BE GREAT and that he SHALL BE called the Son of the Highest.

John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven…..34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

We have a Son of Man, JESUS THE SON OF DAVID who is begotten by God’s Spirit without measure having God direct all His ways, God being a Father unto David’s son, just as was prophesied, where God would not take His goodness away from him.  

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?….38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Carmel, Jesus is telling us heavenly things, he is not of this world speaking earthly things, he speaks heavenly things because he is not of this world, JUST LIKE those who also received God’s word to speak His Gospel were LIKEWISE NOT OF THIS WORLD.

As they were sanctified and sent receiving God’s word, Jesus was sanctified and sent upon receiving the Spirit not by measure for to speak God’s word. The SON OF MAN came down from heaven/from God where God was in him on earth, and this Son of Man was in God in heaven. God was doing His heavenly works through Jesus on earth, and thus Jesus was doing works that were coming down directly from heaven. They were ONE through God’s anointing Spirit, where Jesus did not his own will but that of the heavenly will of God. Jesus spoke of the kingdom of Heaven/the kingdom of God. 

READ CARMEL, “18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; HE HAS SENT ME to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

God SENT the prophet whom He raised up like that of Moses from among his brethren where those who would not hear his word he received from God would not have eternal life. 

Seriously Carmel you do not apply given scripture with scripture, instead you ignore passages and then add in your own beliefs. 

 

 

 

 

[Jodi]

Hi Gene,

I agree that as it is said in Luke 1:35 in regards to the virgin birth, “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee”, that such does not equate Jesus to being anything more than a true human being, the promised son of David. 

But my understanding of Jesus being God’s only begotten Son is that he was the only mortal man who was born of God’s Spirit not by measure and then sent out into the world. He died and was raised from the dead where on that day he was begotten of the Spirit and made incorruptible having the Spirit upon him for all eternity, now becoming a firstborn Son of many.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his GLORY, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

begotten -monogenes  monos (only) ginomai (to become)

I apply John 1:14 to Isaiah 11 and 42,

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles….6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;….8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my GLORY will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[Proclaimer]

When people write essays at each other, it means no one is listening, thus it is not a conversation.

Imagine talking like that in person. Lol.

A point by point conversation is much better and natural.

The devil can easily be hid in the details.

Shine light one point at a time or continue wasting your time. You’ve already wasted so much time. But by all means keep the forum busy with irrelevant rantings. It does help the site’s Google ranking. Do thanks for that at least.

[carmel]

Hi, Jodi,

ME: More lies,

WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU NEVER MENTIONED

ALL OF ISIAIH 48

YOU: There was no one SENT UNTIL AFTER the baptism John preached.

Read hereunder:

Isaiah48:15 I, even I (GOD THE FATHER) have spoken and CALLED HIM:  PERFECT PRESENT TENSE!   ALREADY OCCURRED IN THE PAST!

When did God speak and call Jesus?

(LET THERE BE LIGHT)

I HAVE BROUGHT HIM,     PERFECT PRESENT TENSE!   ALREADY OCCURRED IN THE PAST!

WHEN DID GOD BRING JESUS  INTO ACTION?

GOD  IN THE ABOVE IS SIMPLY SAYING TO SATAN WHO DOMINATED ISRAEL, THAT JESUS,

THE SON OF MAN IS ON HIS WAY. 

and HIS WAY is made

prosperous.

Jodi, GOD ALL KNOWING, INITIATED REDEMPTION FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.

JESUS STARTED HIS REDEMPTION PROCESS 

SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8

16Come ye near unto me,

and hear this:

I (JESUS CHRIST,)

have not spoken in secret from

THE BEGINNING:
(IN THE HEART OF LUCIFER)

from the time BEFORE it was done,

(IN LUCIFER,  AS “THE WORD”)

I was there,

(WITH GOD)

 and now the Lord God

hath sent ME, (OK Jodi? when was Jesus sent?)

(JESUS CHRIST, BOTH AS

“THE WORD” OF GOD, THE SON OF MAN, JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE )

and
His spirit, (when was Jesus ANOINTED WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD?)

(THE HOLY GHOST, THE VOICE OF GOD, THE SON OF GOD, JESUS DIVINE NATURE)

 

Jodi, HUMANS HAVE A DUAL PROCESS, TWO NATURES, ONE PHYSICAL, AND ONE SPIRITUAL/SOUL.

GOD HAD ALSO TO PRODUCE HIS DUAL HUMAN NATURE IN JESUS.

THESE TWO NATURES ARE EVIDENTLY CLEAR IN

THE HOLY GHOST, THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS OF ALL SOULS, AND  THE  PROCESS OF ALL FLESH IN “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN.John17:2

THIS IS WELL AFFIRMED BY JESUS IN

 

John 5: 25Amen, amen, I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of

THE SON OF GOD: (THE SOUL OF GOD)

and they that hear shall live. 27And he hath given him power to do judgment, because he is (ALSO)

THE SON OF MAN.(“THE WORD” MADE FLESH, THE FLESH OF GOD, GOD OF ALL FLESH IN JESUS CHRIST) 

THESE TWO SPIRITS ARE ALSO MENTIONED IN

Isaiah 48:2 For

THEY

are called of

THE HOLY CITY, ( JESUS’HUMAN HOLY BODY, THE NEW JERUSALEM, THE BRIDE. Mentioned by John: HE WHO HAS THE BRIDE, IS THE BRIDEGROOM)

and are established upon the God of Israel:

the Lord of hosts is his name. (JESUS CHRIST)

 

Jodi, Satan took it for granted that God THE MOST HOLY would never make it and become

HUMAN IN FLESH AND BLOOD, SATANIC,  IN JESUS,

AS THE REDEEMER!

BOTH MAN/FLESH and at the same time DIVINE/SPIRIT ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT

HE MUST DIE.

SATAN BELIEVED THAT SOMEHOW, HE REMAINS ON EARTH, TO DOMINATE THE HUMAN BODY, FOR ETERNITY.

JERUSALEM

THE CITY OF GOD! READ:

Matthew 16:21From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem,

and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. 

22And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee.

IN THE ABOVE IT IS ACTUALLY SATAN WHO SPOKE THROUGH PETER. 

23Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God,

but the things that are of men.

 

Hereunder is Isaiah 48: WHICH IS DIRECTED TO SATAN/LUCIFER. BE AWARE

THAT BOTH JACOB,  THE REDEEMED, AND ESSAU, SATAN,  ORIGINALLY WERE LUCIFER’S TRIUNE SPIRIT  Rom..9:13. Jacob I have loved: but Esau I have hated... Notice the tense.

1Hear ye

THESE THINGS,

O house of Jacob, you that are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Juda, you who swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in justice.

2For they are called of the holy city, and are established upon the God of Israel: the Lord of hosts is his name.

3The former things of old, I have declared, and they went forth out of my mouth, and I have made them to be heard: I did them suddenly and they came to pass.

4For I knew that thou art stubborn, and thy neck is as an iron sinew, and thy forehead as brass. (DEFINITELY TO SATAN)

5I foretold thee of old, before they came to pass I told thee, lest thou shouldst say: My idols have done these things, and my graven and molten things have commanded them. (SATAN BELIEVED THAT HE WAS AUTONOMOUS, AND IS IN CONTROL OF ALL ON EARTH)

6See now all the things which thou hast heard:(GOD IN “THE WORD” SPOKE IN LUCIFER’S HEART FOR NO USE)

but have you declared them?

I have shewn thee new things from THAT TIME,(OF THE REBEL)  and things are kept which thou knowest not:

7They are created now, and not of old: and before the day, when thou heardest them not, lest thou shouldst say: Behold I knew them.

8Thou hast neither heard, nor known, neither was thy ear opened of old. For I know that transgressing thou wilt transgress,

and I have called thee a transgressor from the womb.

9For my name’s sake I will remove my wrath far off: and for my praise I will bridle thee, lest thou shouldst perish.

10Behold I have refined thee, but not as silver, I have chosen thee in the furnace of poverty.

11For my own sake, for my own sake will I do it, (BY “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN, ORIGINALLY IN LUCIFER’S HEART) that I may not be blasphemed: and I will not give my glory to another.

12Hearken to me, O Jacob, (FLESH) and thou Israel(SPIRIT) whom I call: I am he, (JESUS CHRIST)  I am the first, (MORNING STAR) and I am the last.

13My hand also hath founded the earth, and my right hand hath measured the heavens: I shall call them, (THE HEAVENLY HOST)and they shall stand together.

14Assemble yourselves together, all you, and hear: who among them hath declared these things?

the Lord hath loved him,(LUCIFER) he (will do his pleasure in Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15I, even I have spoken and called him: I have brought him, and his way is made prosperous.

16Come ye near unto me, and hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning: from the time before it was done, I was there, and now the Lord God hath sent me, and his spirit.

17Thus saith the Lord thy redeemer,(JESUS CHRIST)  the Holy One of Israel: I am the Lord thy God (JESUS CHRIST)that teach thee profitable things, that govern thee in the way that thou walkest.

18O that thou (LUCIFER) hadst hearkened to my commandments: thy peace had been as a river, and thy justice as the waves of the sea,

19And thy seed had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof:

his name (LUCIFER) should not have perished, nor have been destroyed from before my face.

20Come forth out of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, declare it with the voice of joy: make this to be heard, and speak it out even to the ends of the earth. Say: The Lord hath redeemed his servant Jacob. (LUCIFER the lost sheep of ISRAEL)

21They thirsted not in the desert, when he led them out: he brought forth water out of the rock for them, and he clove the rock, and the waters gushed out.

22There is no peace to the wicked, saith the Lord.

 

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi…..yes I agree with what you are saying, Jesus was indeed the offspring of Kind David, that is clearly stated in scripture by Jesus himself, that also shows his DNA origins, rather God took the DNA of King David and applies it to Mary or he derived it from Mary herself, or both, Jesus certainly came from the Loins of David, just as scripture CLEARLY says,   I believe he like us had to be “born again” , he was baptized as we were and he recieved the Spirit into him,  which is the,  “seed of God”, as we do. 

1 John 3:9  …..whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice)  sin; for his (God’s)  seed (sperma) remains in him, and he cannot, (continue) to sin, because he is born of God .

As it was with Jesus, so it is with us,  and from the time Jesus recieved the seed (sperma of God ), into him he was begotten of God just as we are also, remember where we are told,  “now” we are the sons of God. We are “now” the sons and daughters of God, we do not have the fullness yet, but we do have the “earnest of the  Spirit” Now,  in us, our bodies will recieve eternal regeneration at the resurection,  then we will be “exactly” like Jesus now is,  in every way. Just as it says ” for we will see him, as he is, another word be just like he is. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

 

 

[Jodi]

Hi Gene,

VERY GOOD!!…and what you said in regards to 1 John 3:9, “As it was with Jesus, so it is with us”, I’d just like to point out for others, is actually written in the very next verse!

10 In this the children of God are manifest,

In Matthew we are given the genetic lineage from Abraham to Joseph, and Matthew begins by telling us that this is the book of the genealogy of Jesus. Matthew goes further to count generations (men of the same stock) of that lineage that includes Joseph where it leads directly in the text to Jesus.

As I have said, this is directly saying that Mary conceived Joseph’s genetic son by the power of God’s Spirit, and is showing us that Jesus is the promised seed of Abraham and David through Joseph. You don’t see this?

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer

YOU:

A point by point conversation is much better and natural.

The devil can easily be hid in the details.

ME: “a point by point conversation is much better and natural” I can agree that such has it’s place at times, however to prove someone’s doctrine is wrong often takes addressing several points and giving several scriptures.

God is thorough, very detailed, He has given us MANY, MANY, MANY SCRIPTURES, LAYING OUT MANY TRUTHS WHICH JOIN TOGETHER FOR TO GIVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, so one also being thorough and detailed with His word, to portray His given understanding HONORS HIM and HIS SON. Our heavenly Father and Brother are listening to the words that we give, and if they are the only ones who read a post of mine, that’s enough for me!!

Leaving out DETAILS given from God’s word, one will be left to their own imagination, which is not good, that is where slander to God’s word creeps in. 

writingexplained.org

The Devil is the Details Meaning

Definition: Details are important; problems or difficulties are often in the details.

Sometimes this phrase is written as the devil’s in the details.

Origin of the Devil is in the Details

This expression is a derivation of God is in the details. This earlier version most likely originated in the 1800s and is attributed to German-born architect Ludwig Mies van der Rohebut.

Interestingly, the original phrase God is in the Details had a slightly different connotation than the modern phrase the devil is in the details. The idea was that whatever one does SHOULD BE DONE THOROUGHLY and THE TRUTH, if it exists, IS IN THE DETAILS.

[carmel]

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Hi, Anthony,

YOU: Why I don’t believe that Jesus Christ had any DNA from any human.

100% RIGHT!

Mary didn’t even give birth to Jesus,

AS A HUMAN. THE SON OF MAN. JESUS’ HUMAN NATURE.

Mary gave birth IN A WAY, to JESUS,  ONLY AS

SON OF GOD OF THE HOLY GHOST ATTRIBUTED TO THE SON.

JESUS’ FLESH IS

“THE WORD” OF GOD THE FATHER:

SPIRIT MADE FLESH!

WITHOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH HUMANS AND ALL THE REST SATANIC TERMS AND PROCESSES OF THE WORLD. Well declared in

1Corinithians 1:29That no FLESH should glory in his sight.

THE FACT THAT JESUS BROUGHT TO FUTILE  AND WON THE WORLD. confirmed in

John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world, you shall have distress. But have confidence.

I have overcome the world.

Peace and love in Jesus Christ

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Carmel. ….So Jesus was lying, the Apostles were lying, the prophets were lying,  but you on the other hand are telling us the “truth”  yea right,   I am sure we believe you over them .   So according to you Jesus had no flesh and blood at all, because he was a God who, only “appeared”, as a human being.  Isn’t that the same  as denying that Jesus came into being in the flesh , by denying him as being an actual flesh and blood human being?  Then tell who died on the Cross, and whose flesh and blood was sacrificed , if he “really was not a “real” human being”.  Can a God bleed?,  does there exist a flesh and blood God? 

You haven’t a clue what you are saying or talking about, concerning who Jesus really is and was,  IMO.  Repent!

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

 

[Proclaimer]

however to prove someone’s doctrine is wrong often takes addressing several points and giving several scriptures.

Which can still be dismantled one brick at a time.

The essay should be the concluding post after each point has been refuted.

That way the job is thorough because each point has had the attention it deserves.

But carry on writing essays each time, after all, you have free will and it is good for the site’s SEO.

[Proclaimer]

The Devil is the Details Meaning

Definition: Details are important; problems or difficulties are often in the details.

Sometimes this phrase is written as the devil’s in the details.

Yes the devil can hide in the details when they are very long.

Lawyers who write contracts or Terms of Conditions are often so long that people agree to them because they haven’t got months to read over them and understand every point. As such, they are not usually favorable to the person under that condition. So much can be hidden inside to catch you out or leave you with no proper defense.

Same goes for here. An essay can hide all manner of lies because people skim over the essay at best.

But one point at a time goes under the microscope. But then you probably don’t want that because you would be refuted. And that is why you do this. You have a number of refuted points, but adding other scriptures will try and deflect from that. Check your heart on this one.

[Proclaimer]

“The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee”, that such does not equate Jesus to being anything more than a true human being, the promised son of David.

This is a pointless argument. Most people of not all here believe that Jesus was a man.

It’s what he was before that (before he emptied himself) that is up for debate.

You guys have been off target for years.

But hey, whatever. You have free will and can rant on argue over things that people already believe.

Lol. Hilarious. You will see these foolish actions on the great day of revealing. But better to see it before so you can change.

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer,

Which statement is TRUE according to the passage below,

1. First you have a son of David and then God becomes a Father unto David’s son where God will give him His mercy and will settle him into His house.
2. First you have a Son of God and then God makes him into a son of David.

1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

 

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer,

Which statement is TRUE according to the passage below,

1. The child to be conceived IS the son of David and this son shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest.

2. Into thy womb I will send my Son and you shall conceive a son of David.

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

[Jodi]

Hi Proclaimer,

Which statement is TRUE according to the passages below,

1. First you have a son of Jesse and then God anoints him with his Spirit because God is sending him out into the world to do great works for God.

2. An anointed Son of God is sent from heaven to become a son of Jesse for to do great works for God.

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him,…

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me TO preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted…to proclaim liberty to the captives..

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