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Hi Jodi,
Continue from the last post:
Genesis 21:1 And the Lord
VISITED
Sara, as he had promised:
and FULFILLED
what he had spoken.
HOW AND WHAT KIND OF VISIT THE LORD DID?
Jodi, Scriptures never specifically mention
any visits TO SARA,
whether this refers to an angel or God, we do not find that he ever
RETURNED at some time.
and FULFILLED
what he had spoken.
IT IS TOTALLY A HIDDEN AND MYSTERIOUS WORK OF GOD.
READ Jodi, HOW HE FULFILLED WHAT HE HAD SPOKEN.
Genesis 18:1 And when they had eaten, they said to him: Where is Sara thy wife? He answered: Lo she is in the tent. 10And he said to him:
I will return and come to thee at this time, life accompanying, and Sara, thy wife,
shall have a son.
Which when Sara heard, she laughed behind the door of the tent. 11Now they were both old, and far advanced in years, and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women. 12And she laughed secretly, saying:
After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man,
shall I give myself to pleasure?
13And the Lord said to Abraham: Why did Sara laugh, saying:
Shall I, who am an old woman, bear a child indeed? 14Is there anything hard to God?
According to appointment
I will return to thee at this same time, life accompanying, and
SARA, THY WIFE,
SHALL HAVE A SON.
IN PURE PLAIN SIMPLE ENGLISH,
AS IT IS WRITTEN,
YOURS AND GENE’S PREFERENCE.
SARA WOULD EITHER BE ALREADY A MOTHER
OVER AND DONE WITH, WHEN THE LORD VISITS SARA,WHICH WOULD BE A COMPLETE MYSTERY, since it is not specifically mentioned, OR
SARA WOULD BECOME A MOTHER PRECISELY THE MOMENT THE LORD VISITS SARA.
WHICH AGAIN IS ALSO A MYSTERY.
In other words, the verse
affirms
what God did for Sarah THEN,
that he caused her to CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON during that
PARTICULAR visit.Either before He comes, or ON the same day THAT He comes
WHICH IS DEFINITELY A SPIRITUAL
MOST ASTOUNDING VISIT!
Genesis 21:6And Sara said
God hath made
a laughter for me: (again she never mentions Abraham despite he was impotent up to that moment in time)
whosoever shall HEAR OF IT will laugh with me.
GOT IT?
GOD CONCEIVED SARA, and BROUGHT FORTH ISAAC ALL IN ONE DAY!
in total bliss and overjoyed she simply
COULDN’T CONTROL HERSELF and she .
LAUGHED
SHE WAS BLESSED! BY
“THE WORD’ Jesus, the Son of Man to be as a spirit in
SARA’S WOMB!
SHE SAID: whosoever shall HEAR OF IT will laugh with me.
IF SARA HAD TO TELL HOW SHE GOT CONCEIVED AND BROUGHT FORTH IN ONE DAY THEY WOULD
LAUGH, LAUGH, AND LAUGH
AS THEY NEVER BELIEVE SARA!
1Corinthians 1:28 And the base things of the world and the things that are contemptible,
hath God chosen:
AND THINGS
THAT ARE NOT
(LIKE ABRAHAM AND SARA were in that moment in time, simply DEAD regarding SATAN’S SEXUAL reproduction.)
THAT HE MIGHT BRING
TO NOUGHT
(THE BIRTH OF ISAAC THROUGH SEX)
THINGS THAT ARE:
( ISAAC BORN THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD/ABRAHAM FOR THE GLORY OF GOD WITHOUT SEX.)
29That no flesh should glory in his sight.
(NEITHER MALE /ABRAHAM, NOR FEMALE/SARA)
Also notice that Sara confirmed that both she and Abraham WERE OLD.
But the Lord MENTIONS THAT ONLY SARA IS OLD. Read again:
Sara said: After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man,
The Lord said: Why did Sara laugh, saying:
Shall I, who am an old woman, bear a child indeed?
Abraham is left out in the Lord’s statement!
WHY? WHY? and WHY?
Obvious, Abraham was never, never and never INVOLVED
PHYSICALLY. THROUGH SEX! GOD DOESN’T NEED SEX!
BUT HIS SPIRIT IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, preexisted as a spirit,
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
READ NOW:
Genesis 21:2 And she conceived and bore a son in her old age,
AT
THE TIME (MYSTERY)
THAT GOD HAD FORETOLD HER. ( MYSTERY)
OK Jodi, Sara
conceived and bore a son ….
AT THE TIME
THAT GOD
FORETOLD HERIN ONE INSTANT WHEN THE LORD VISITED SARA.
PLUS THAT,
ABRAHAM, AS YOU CAN SEE DOESN’T EXIST IN ALL THAT
WHAT IS WRITTEN!
HE NEVER SAW/HAD AN AFFAIR WITH SARA,
AS IT IS WRITTEN!
Jodi in another topic you DECIDED and said:
YOU: Carmel we can discuss that
which is WRITTEN
and debate over what that
which is written means.
I am not going to discuss with you that
which you believe are mysteries hidden
that you believe God has revealed to you that you then believe that he sent you to teach.
Now it is your turn Jodi to
INVENT SOMETHING WHICH
IS NOT WRITTEN, I’M AFRAID,
IN ORDER TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, BUT
WHICH ACCORDING TO YOU IT IS ALSO
MYSTERIOUS, I’M AFRAID,
SINCE IT IS NOT WRITTEN!
SOMETHING WHICH YOU AND GENE ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT!
THE TRUTH!
AS IT IS WRITTEN.
Only for those who can
SEE!
John9:15 And Jesus said: For judgment I am come into this world:
that they who see not may see; and they who see may become blind.
Now read from
Genesis 16:3 She took Agar the Egyptian her handmaid, ten years after they first dwelt in the land of Chanaan,
and gave her to her husband (ABRAHAM) to wife.
4And he (ABRAHAM) went into her…..From the above Jodi,
it is emphatically clear that Abraham had an affair with Hagar and CONCEIVED ISHMAEL.
BUT I’m afraid NOT IN THE CASE,
IN THE MOST VITAL CASE OF,
ISAAC
THE BEGINNING OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT, and
THE BEGINNING OF THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS,
WHY? WHY? and WHY?
VERY, VERY and VERY SIMPLEISHMAEL WAS BORN
ACCORDING
TO THE FLESH,
CONSEQUENTLY, IT IS VITAL THAT SEX IS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.
On the other hand
ISAAC WAS BORN
BY THE PROMISE
A PROMISE BY GOD!
Hence: AS MUCH AS SATAN’S EARTHLY WORK IS ONLY PHYSICAL/CARNAL.
GOD’S PERSONAL DIVINE WORK IS SPIRITUAL! FOR HIS OWN PLEASURE AND GLORY!
TOTALLY MYSTERIOUS, SUPERNATURAL AND INVISIBLE.
HE DOESN’T REQUIRE ANYTHING WHICH IS EARTHLY, AND CARNALLY LIKE THE SPERM OF MAN IN ORDER TO
BRING FORTH
ISAAC.
Now read hereunder:
Genesis 18:11 Now they were both old, and far advanced in years,
and it had ceased to be with Sara
after the manner of women.
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL:
Abraham and Sara WERE SIMPLY
BOTH USELESS
REGARDING SEX.
BOTH WERE NOT IN THE POSITION
TO REACH THE APPROPRIATE SEXUAL FUNCTIONING.
21:3 And Abraham called
HIS (GOD’S)
son,WHOM
SARA ( ON HER OWN PHYSICALLY, ABRAHAM WAS NOT INVOLVED PHYSICALLY AT ALL)
BORE HIM,
ISAAC.
Now God was clear in
Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
This shall not be thine heir;
but he that shall
come forth out (spiritually)
of thine own bowelsshall be thine heir.
Jodi, ANSWER NOW,
WHO CONCEIVED SARA
ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES,AS IT IS WRITTEN?
ABRAHAM OR THE LORD?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel,
If you believe that we are created by a Creator, you should easily understand that it’s NO MYSTERY that the SAME power of God’s Spirit that made man out of the dust of the earth, can EASILY cause a woman to conceive with the product of her husband’s semen, his chromosomes, without there being any sex.
Yes, Isaac was born according to a promise and according to the direct hand of God, that doesn’t change the fact that he was of the seed of Abraham. Just as Jesus was born according to a promise by the direct hand of God, that doesn’t change the fact that Matthew tells us that Jesus’s beginning/origin/GENESIS are of the genes of Abraham’s and David’s through Joseph, which also means that Isaac is likewise of the genes of Abraham.
Carmel, the PROMISE of a virgin birth was NOT for God to beget a god in human flesh, the PROMISE was not for God to send down a spirit son into human flesh, THE PROMISE of a virgin birth was FOR a SIGN unto the house of David, so that they would know that God keeps His promise concerning David’s seed and David’s throne, a SIGN so they could recognize their promised king.
Carmel,
Gensis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
THERE you have it Carmel, OPEN YOUR EYES. Abram was CHILDLESS, his heir was to be Eliezer, and God told him that Eliezer would not be his heir, God promised Abram an heir that would proceed out of Abram’s bowels/inward parts/of his SPERMA/the PRODUCT of Abram’s SPERM/CHROMOSOMES.
YOU: God promised Abram an heir that would proceed out of Abram’s bowels/inward parts/of his SPERMA/the PRODUCT of Abram’s SPERM/CHROMOSOMES.
NO Jodi, read again:
This shall not be thine heir;
( satanically contaminated FLESH, PLUS ALL THE INWARD PARTS OF THE SATANIC EARTHLY HUMAN SPERMA)
but he that shall
come forth out (spiritually)of thine own bowels
shall be thine heir.OK Jodi there isn’t mention of
ANY INWARDS PARTS, OR HIS SPERMA!
IT IS YOUR SPIRITUALLY DEAD CARNAL MINDED REASONING, I’M AFRAID
WHICH COMPLETELY KILLED THE ONLY
SPIRITUAL SPECK (“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit, GOD LEFT IN
YOU)
IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU!
SIMPLY IGNORED BY YOU!
IT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL READ AND DISCERN THE TRUTH:
HE (THE SPIRIT, “THE WORD” JESUS,
THE SON OF MAN TO BE, WHO IS THE BEGINNING OF ALL BEGINNINGS, in this case:
THE BEGINNING OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT,
IN ISAAK, THE PROMISE,
NOT THE INWARDS PARTS, NOT THE SPERMA
GOD DOESN’T NEED ANY OF THAT,
at that moment in time:
FILTHY SATANIC STAFF THROUGH ADAM’S SIN)
that shall
COME FORTH
OUT.
Jodi the sperm
NEVER COMES FORTH
OUT
IF THE SPERM COMES FORTH OUT IT WOULD DIE!
Now read Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren,
AS ISAAC WAS, (OK Jodi?)
are the children of promise.
BORN OF THE SPIRIT (are you still blind)
29But as then he that was born after the flesh (THROUGH SEX)
persecuted him that was
born after the Spirit, ( HOW WAS ISAAC BORN JODI?)
even so it is now.
1Corinthians 1:28
And the BASE things of the world
and the things that are contemptible,
(DISGUSTING, THE ENTIRE FILTHY SEXUAL FUNCTIONING)
hath God chosen
(IN OUR CASE IN “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit, buried in the BOWELS of Abraham, simply
THE SHIELD to
PROTECT ABRAHAM FROM SATAN’S SPIRIT.
HEBREWS 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual and more piercing than any two-edged sword; and reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit,…) NOW READ:
Genesis 15:1 Now when these things were done,
” THE WORD” of the Lord ( Jesus, the Son of Man, preexisted as a spirit in Abraham’s” BOWELS, THE BASE AND DISGUSTING THINGS OF THE WORLD,)
came to Abram by a vision, saying:
FEAR NOT, ABRAHAM,
I am
thy protector,
(GOD ALL KNOWING, KNEW SATAN’S PLAN TO BE BORN IN
ISHMAEL
THE WILD MAN,
THROUGH THE OVUM OF THE BONDWOMAN, AND DELUDED, HE BELIEVED THAT ABRAHAM THROUGH THAT ONLY ONE SEXUAL ACT WITH THE BONDWOMAN, WOULD CONTAMINATE HIMSELF, TO THE EXTENT THAT HE BECOMES IMPOTENT, BY WHICH DEED, HE
PREVENTS GOD FROM
CONCEIVING
THE PROMISE
ISAAC.)
Genesis 17:17 Abraham fell upon his face,
and laughed, (AND HOW!)
saying in his heart: Shall a son, thinkest thou, be born to him that
is a hundred years old?
and shall Sara that is
ninety years old bring forth?
WOULD YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE, Jodi
THAT ABRAHAM AND SARA HAD SEX? WHAT KIND OF PLEASURE, AND LOVEPLAY THEY COULD PERFORM WHEN SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR READ:
Genesis 18:11 Now they were both old,
and far advanced in years,
and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women.
12And she laughed secretly,
saying: After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man,
shall I give myself to pleasure?
GOT IT Jodi?
THERE WAS NO ROOM FOR SEXUAL PLEASURE
WHY DID GOD WAIT SO LONG IN ORDER TO CONCEIVE
ISAAC?
HE SIMPLY ELIMINATED ANY TRACE OF CARNAL LOVE BETWEEN THEM,
SIMPLY CARNALLY DEAD REGARDING SEX.
THEN GOD COMMENCED HIS DIVINE INTERVENTION SIMPLY
AS GOD’S POWER IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS
Thus, WHEN IT SEEMS THAT GOD IS WEAK, IN FACT HE WOULD BE STRONG AND POWERFUL. LIKE WHEN JESUS DIED, AND THROUGH DEATH
HE GLORIFIED AND BECAME THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT EVER
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST,
AND OFFICIALLY BECAME THE PROPRIETOR OF ALL THE PHYSICAL. John17:3
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES
TO GOD’S OWN WORK!ESPECIALLY
HIS GENUINE SPIRITUAL INTERVENTION.
IT IS HIS SPIRIT, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, WHICH GIVES
LIFE:
TO ALL GOD’S WORK.
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM.
1Corinthians 1:28 CONT.
AND THINGS
THAT ARE NOT
(IN THE SAME WAY, ABRAHAM AND SARA were in that moment in time, simply
USELESS and DEAD
regarding SEX)
THAT HE MIGHT BRING
TO NOUGHT (THE BIRTH OF ISAAC THROUGH SEX)
THINGS THAT ARE: ( ISAAC
THE PROMISE, BORN THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD/ABRAHAM
FOR THE GLORY OF GOD WITHOUT SEX.)
BETWEEN THE LORD and SARA, BARRENand OLD
BLESSED
BY THE PRESENCE OF
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man TO BE, in her WOMB AND CONCEIVED
ISAAC.
THE PROMISE
AND ABRAHAM BECAME
THE FRIEND OF GOD!
29That no flesh should glory in his sight.
(NEITHER MALE /ABRAHAM NOR FEMALE/SARA)
hence ONLY HIS SPIRIT:
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, preexisted as a spirit!
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Hi t8,
It was a Son of Man who asked for glory, and it was a Son of Man who received that glory.
Matthew 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
John 17: 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with (PARA meaning OF) thee before the world was.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another..
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
t8, it is given to you, a Son of Man asked for glory and it is he that received it. This glory for this MAN had been OF God in His WORD from before the world was.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Hi t8,
YES OR NO?
Jesus, the son of David, preached the Gospel and fulfilled the Gospel delivering captives because God’s Spirit descended and came to abode upon him, an ANOINTING.
Carmel,
You are the one who is NOT comprehending the clear text.
1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
steward -mesheq -acquisition, possession, son of possession, heir
VERY SIMPLE, Abram WAS CHILDLESS, so that left Eliezer to become his heir. God told Abram that Eliezer WOULD NOT BE his heir, God promised that Abram would have an heir that would be of his own bowels.
Jodi
YES
That is true and part of the picture.
True or false Jodi to the following statement.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
HI Jodi,
YOU: Yes, Isaac was born according to a promise and according to the direct hand of God,
The above is not NEITHER COMPLETE
NOR PRECISE Jodi!
TRUTH HURTS YOU Jodi!
Scripture is clear, READ:John1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, ( Jesus, the Son of Man)
and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him;
and without him was not anything made that was made.
YOU: Yes, Isaac was born …. according to the direct hand of God,NO Jodi, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE ABOVE SINCE
All things were made by him;
and without him
was not anything made that was made.
ISAAC WAS BORN BY“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be,
preexisted as a SPIRIT, SINCE
GOD IS SPIRIT AND HIS TASKS AND DEEDS ARE
SPIRITUAL
EVEN WHEN FLESH IS BEING MANIFESTED!
Exodus 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see,God called unto him out
of the midst of the bush, and said,
Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6Moreover he said,I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
And Moses hid his face;for he was afraid to look
upon God.
TELL ME JodiWAS THE BUSH GOD?
WAS THE BUSH ALSO SPIRIT?
WAS THE BUSH AN EMBODIMENT OF GOD?
Jodi one more question:
WAS THE BUSH
EARTHLY
ORHEAVENLY
EITHER WAYWAS THE BUSH AS MUCH AS IT WAS
PHYSICAL
IT WAS ALSOSPIRITUAL
SINCE IT WASTHE EMBODIMENT OF GOD?
YOU: that doesn’t change the fact that he was of the seed of Abraham.Thank you very much Jodi:
Now, Jodi if you go back to page 168, you will read what I posted
REGARDING ABRAHAM SEED! GO AND READ AGAIN AND ACCEPT THAT
THE SPIRIT OF GOD’S “WORD”, Jesus, the Son of Man in
Abraham’s
PARTICULAR AND UNIQUE PURE SPIRITUAL SEED!
THE PROMISE WAS ONLY IN
ISAAC.NOT IN ISHMAEL
Thus get it OUT OF YOU CARNAL MINDED INTELLIGENCE
THAT THE SEED IN ISHMAEL, and
THE SEED IN ISAAC
ARE BOTH ABRAHAM’S
NO, NO, and NO!
ISAAC WAS THROUGHOUT GOD’S INTERVENTION.OF THE HOLY GHOST,
LIKE, ENOCH, NOAH, MOSES, ELIJA, JOHN THE BAPTIST, AND JESUS, MOST PROMINENT!
THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM NEVER DOUBTED WHEN ASKED TO SACRIFICE ISAAC. HE WAS MAORE THAN SURE THAT ISAAC WAS NOT HIS SON IN THE TRUTH!
THE FACT THAT ABRAHAM BECAME THE FRIEND OF GOD, SIMPLY TO BE USED BY GOD IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A PURE GENEALOGY OF
JESUS/MARY AT ALL COSTS. GOD ALL KNOWING, AWARE THAT SATAN’S PLAN WAS TO CONCEIVE ISHMAEL, IN ORDER TO MAKE SATAN AWARE THAT
HE, GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
BY WHICH CONCEPTION ABRAHAM BECAME IMPOTENT.THE FACT ALSO THAT GOD NEVER ALLOWED ABRAHAM TO KILL
ISAAC,
THE FACT THAT as much as Satan corrupted Abraham and made him impotent, GOD, THE ONLY TRUE GD, LIKEWISE
THROUGH ISAAC’S CONCEPTION MADE ABRAHAM AGAIN
PERFECT
HE MARRIED CETURA AND HAD SIX CHILDREN.
ABRAHAM WAS PROTECTED BY GOD IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, preexisted as a spirit, SINCE ALL IN/BY HIM.buried like a treasure in a field in Abraham’s BOWELS, FROM HIS CONCEPTION, AWARE OF SATAN’S MOVE.
Now when Abraham went with the bondwoman and conceived ISHMAEL
IT WAS THE GENUINE SEED OF ABRAHAM CONTAMINATED WITH SATAN’S SPIRIT, AND
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be,
was slain like a lamb…..Rev.13:8 in that satanically contaminated SEEDSIMPLY TO CONTROL SATAN’S DEEDS. Read
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmitybetween thee and the woman, ( in our case
THE BONDWOMAN AND SATAN)
and between thy seed and her seed;
READ AGAIN FROM PAGE 168:YOU: SEED– zera — semen virile, offspring, descendant.
YOU: Carmel, BOTH Ishmael and Isaac are of the genes of Abraham, they are both of his SEED.
Carmel,
THIS is the WORD of the LORD,
ME: NO JODI,
THE ABOVE IS NOT THE PRECISE WORD OF THE LORD, IN RELATION TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING!
IT IS YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY!
The seed of Isaac, and of Ishmael
are not the same
as much as Cain, SATAN’S, and Abel, GOD’S, alsowere NOT!
GOD WAS CLEAR:
FOR IN ISAAC
SHALLYOUR SEED, CHRIST “THE WORD: Jesus the Son of Man to be (ACCORDING TO PAUL)
BE CALLED.
DESPITE BOTH WERE
ABRAHAM SEED
ONLY
IN ISAAC
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, PREEXISTED AS A SPIRITTHE ETERNAL COVENANT
WAS CALLED.
Now read please:
Romans 7Neither are all they that are the seed of Abraham,
children:
but inIsaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is to say, not they that are the children of the fleshare the children of God:
but they that are the children of the promiseare accounted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise:According to this time will I come.
And Sara shall have a son.
Jodi, GET THIS STRAIGHT INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND, THAT
SINCE GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT, OPTED TOINTERVENE, HIS WORK WAS/IS
TOTALLY SPIRITUAL
ISAAC was morethe son of God,
THE PROMISE!
then the Son of Abraham. Read:Now to Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman and the other by a free woman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was
born according to the flesh: (through sex)
but he of the free woman was (NOTICE: THE WORD BORN is not mentioned)by promise. (SUPERNATURALLY CONCEIVED)
YOU: Just as Jesus was born according to a promise by the direct hand of God
Again Jodi your CARNAL MINDED MENTALITY DOMINATES YOU:
NOT BY THE DIRECT HAND OF GOD JESUS WAS BORN, BUT
BY THE DIRECT SEED OF THE HOLY GHOST,
SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR:
Luke 1:36 And the angel answering, said to her:The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee (not the hand of god)
and the power( OF THE HOLY GHOST) of the Most High ( not the hand of god)
shall overshadow thee.(TOTALLY TRANSFORM YOU) And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be calledTHE SON OF GOD.
(THE PURE REASON THAT SHE WAS TRANSFORMED, SIMPLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRIUNE GOD, IN THE FATHER, “THE WORD”AND THE HOLY GHOST, 1 JOHN 5:7 )
Matthew 1:20 ….. the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her,is of the Holy Ghost
YOU:that doesn’t change the fact that Matthew tells us that Jesus’s beginning/origin/GENESIS are of the genes of Abraham’s and David’s through Joseph, which also means that Isaac is likewise of the genes of Abraham.NO JODI
GOD’S WORK IS ALL
SPIRITUAL
EVEN WHEN WE SEE ALL HIS THINGS IN FLESH!
READ:Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made.
His ETERNAL POWER also and
DIVINITY: so that they are
INEXCUSABLE.
ALL THE BEST FOR THE NEW YEAR JODI, AND ESPECIALLYMAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE
BORN IN THE SPIRIT
Peace and love in Jesus ChristT8 and Carmel……all mankind is created in the image of God, or haven’t you ever read
Gen 1:26……And God said, let us make man (mankind) in our “IMAGE”. after our likeness:
We are all the children of God, even Satan was created by him. It amazes me how you people can move and twist up the Word of God to support all your false teachings. God can chose to bless or curse anyone he chooses to, he can take a hard heart out of anyone and give them a soft heart, no matter how much sin they have commited. If God chose a person for his specific perposes that does not make that flesh being any different from anyone other flesh being. You people that idolize people and turn them in to you God’s “are idolaters ” and don’t even know it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi t8,
YOU:
True or false Jodi to the following statement.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
ME: TRUE
Hi t8,
NOW WHO IS that SON?
That Son IS directly identified by Paul as the MAN who SHED HIS BLOOD, and as the Son according to PROPHECY, a son of David who God promised to MAKE into His firstborn.
A Son who can do nothing of himself.
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Would you say all things consist in a spirit son, or all things consist in the man who shed his blood bringing forth redemption t8?
Are we delivered from the power of darkness by a spirit son, or are we delivered by the man who God rested His Spirit upon, raised up in righteousness to direct all his way FOR TO BE A LIGHT and DELIVER CAPTIVES FROM DARKNESS (Isaiah 42,45)?
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee:
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Psalms 89:2 For I have said, Mercy shall be built up for ever: thy faithfulness shalt thou establish in the very heavens. 3 I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, 4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah. 5 And the heavens shall praise thy wonders, O LORD: thy faithfulness also in the congregation of the saints…24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will MAKE him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
t8, all things consist in the man that SHED HIS BLOOD bringing forth our redemption, our promise to righteousness and eternal life.
All things consist in the man God ordained to judge the quick and the dead.
God when making earth Himself according to His determinate council and foreknowledge would bring forth eternal life through a man being slain on a cross to abolish sin and death. He could do nothing of himself.
God raised him up from the dead to give him the promised Holy Spirit and the promised mercies of David. All things consist in the Son of Man returning in his glory to sit on his father David’s throne, he was MADE firstborn overall creation and sits right now and God’s right hand in the image of the invisible God.
Folks it should be obvious if you believe in God’s WORD in Psalms 8.
Paul tells you in Colossians 1 that he is speaking OF the MAN who SHED his blood.
Psalms 8 tells you that our Creator gives dominion to that which He created over TO a MAN. Paul was NOT ignorant of this passage, he speaks through this knowledge.
God made all things so He could give it to a MAN to have dominion over it. The MAN who God ordained to judge the quick and the dead.
Our Creator gave His creation to the root and offspring of David who God raised from the dead giving him the PROMISED Holy Spirit, raising him in glory, power, incorruptible, and giving him the PROMISED MERCIES OF DAVID.
Paul tells us through the MAN who SHED his BLOOD we have redemption, we are promised righteousness and eternal life.
God who cannot lie PROMISED ETERNAL LIFE before the WORLD was, He made that promise through the MAN WHO SHED his BLOOD, in this MAN did God have all things consist.
Carmel,
If you believe that we are created by a Creator, you should easily understand that it’s NO MYSTERY that the SAME power of God’s Spirit that made man out of the dust of the earth, can EASILY cause a woman to conceive with the product of her husband’s semen, his chromosomes, without there being any sex.
Jodi,
Do you believe sex is sin?
Hi, Jodi
YOU: Hi Ed J,
NO it is not a sin
Jodi within
YOUR CARNALL MENTALITY
WHAT IS SEX! Also
WITHIN JESUS’GOSPEL
WHAT IS SEX!
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. 38And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. 39He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
Conversations with you just keep getting more and more bizarre.
God made them male and female and told them to be fruitful and multiply. God INVENTED how it is creatures are able to reproduce. Adultery is a SIN, homosexuality is a sin. Having children with your spouse is not a sin.
The below passage has nothing to do with reproducing with your spouse and it being a sin.
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it.
Carmel, you are as usual, not making any sense, you continue to be incoherent.
HI Jodi,
YOU: The below passage has nothing to do with reproducing with your spouse and it being a sin
Jodi, Again Your carnal-minded intelligence is shocking considering we have
just commenced the year
2020
Matthew 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me,
Notice Jodi: NO ARTICLE, NO PERSONAL PRONOUN SIMPLY:
FATHER or MOTHER,
ALSO, JESUS DIDN’T SAY
FATHER and MOTHER, BUT
FATHER OR MOTHER. SO WHAT HE WAS ADDRESSING, FOR SOME ARE RELATED
ONLY TO A PARTICULAR FATHER AND FOR SOME
ONLY TO A PARTICULAR MOTHER.
Now let’s start with the particular Father like:
FATHER OF LIES! SATAN.
SIN ITSELF. especially
SEX!!
IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME OF JESUS,
FATHER OF HUMANITY THROUGH ADAM’S SIN, THE FACT THAT HUMANITY WERE MORTALS,
FROM CONCEPTION THROUGH SEX. CURSED AND SATANIC,
WAS SATAN! READ;
John 8:44 You are of
YOUR FATHER the devil: and the desires of
YOUR FATHER you will do…….When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and
THE FATHER thereof. 46Which of you shall convince me
OF SIN? If I say the truth to you, why do you not believe me: 47He that is of God heareth the words of God. Therefore you hear them not, because
YOU ARE NOT OF GOD.
OBVIOUS OF SATAN!
More scripture paralleled with Jesus’words above.
1 John3:8He that committeth
SIN is of the devil:
for the devil SINNETH from the beginning. For this purpose,
the Son of God APPEARED, ( PREEXISTED)
that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is
BORN OF GOD
committeth not SIN: for
HIS SEED (“THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man to be, as a SPIRIT) ABIDETH IN HIM. And he
cannot SIN, because he is
BORN OF GOD. In this
THE CHILDREN OF GOD are manifest, and
THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL.
In view of the above Jodi,
he that loves father is a reference to all those who
LOVE SIN! ESPECIALLY RELATED TO FATHER, OBVIOUS IN THOSE DAYS THERE WERE NO
CONTRACEPTIVES, SIMPLY
ENJOY SEX and become a Father. Thus Jesus simply meant to say:
HE THAT LOVES SEX more than me is not worthy of me.
Then we come for the title MOTHER!
Now Jody who is the MOTHER OF HUMANITY, no, Jodi no,
NOT EVE, in a way: BUT
THE WORLD, MOTHER EARTH, or THE FLESH, and Jesus meant to say:
HE THAT LOVES,
THE WORLD, or THE FLESH, MORE THAN ME, is not worthy of me.
and he that loveth son or daughter more than me,
is not worthy of me.
In the above Jodi, I leave it to you to ponder on, with the hope that
YOU LOOK AT SCRIPTURE FROM THE SPIRITUAL SIDE OF IT, NOT FROM THE LITERAL SENSE AND CARNAL MENTALITY. WHICH IS AN ENEMY OF GOD, AND DEAD!
38 And he that taketh not up his cross,
and followeth me,
is not worthy of me.IN THE ABOVE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HIS ROAD IS DEFINITELY NOT OF PLEASURE BUT OF THE CROSS, TOTALLY REJECTING
THE WORLD AND ITS ENTIRE PROCESS, and
LIVE SPIRITUALLY. IN CHRIST.
1John2:5 Love not the world,
nor the things which are in the world.
If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life, which is not of the Father but is of the world.
the above is more accentuated in the next verse:
39 He that findeth his life,
( IN THIS WORLD OF SEX, FLESH, and MATERIAL)
shall lose it:( IN HEAVEN, SPIRITUAL)
and he that shall lose his life
(OF SEX, FLESH, and MATERIAL) for me, shall find it.
(IN HEAVEN eternally)
YOU: Carmel, you are as usual, not making any sense,
you continue to be incoherent.
POOR JODI!
Romans 8:1
There is now, therefore, no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus,
WHO WALK NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.
2FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT of life,
in Christ Jesus, hath delivered me from the law of sin and of death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak
THROUGH THE FLESH,
God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and of sin, hath condemned sin
IN THE FLESH
4That the justification of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk
NOT ACCORDING TO THE FLESH.
BUT ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT.
5For they that are according to the flesh
MIND THE THINGS THAT ARE OF THE FLESH:
but they that are
ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT
mind the things that are of the spirit.
THAT WILL BE THE DAY FOR YOU JODI, AND GENE. FOR WHICH DAY I PRAY, PRAY, and PRAY.
6For the wisdom of the flesh
IS DEATH: but the wisdom of
THE SPIRIT IS LIFE AND PEACE.
7Because the wisdom of the flesh is
AN ENEMY TO GOD.
For it is not subject to the law of God: neither can it be. 8And they who are
IN THE FLESH
CANNOT PLEASE GOD.
9But you are not
IN THE FLESH but
THE SPIRIT,
if so be that
THE SPIRIT DWELL IN YOU.
Now if any man have not
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST,
HE IS NONE OF HIS
10And if Christ be in you, the body
INDEED IS DEAD.
because of sin: but
THE SPIRIT LIVES, because of justification.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
What I said is that the passage you gave does not say that having children with your spouse is a SIN, nor is having sex with your spouse. With that being said, our love for God and His Son is to be above all, all people, all things, and all desires.
By our very nature we have been given DESIRES of the spirit and of the flesh by God, and the law tells man what sin is and how to serve our spirit and flesh appropriately.
God brought forth mortality and placed our carnal minds in BONDAGE to the fear of death and service to our flesh in order to live.
Only God is good, without His Spirit working in us we are no different than an ignorant brute beast, no different than a serpent or a dog that returns to eat it’s own vomit.
You keep mentioning Satan, your adversary and my adversary are not the same, so every time you use that word it doesn’t help at all to convince me that you hold any truth.
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