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Hi Carmel,
First let me say, the bible speaks clearly and directly of the truth of what we are to believe. The writers of the scriptures wrote through the Holy Spirit declaring the Gospel, so that people who had ears to hear would believe and be saved. Go read Acts 1, 2, 5, 10, and 13. You keep on insisting that the truth is your special interpretations, and the more you give me your special interpretations all the more you show yourself to be against God’s word.
Carmel, the genealogy in Luke goes all the way to Adam, and Isaac is specifically said to be Abraham’s seed, what you are trying to push is completely false.
Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
Abraham had NO sons at all at this time, Abraham thought at that point someone not of his seed would take his inheritance. The LORD came and said that he would in fact have an heir of his seed.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy SEED shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Genesis 16:4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
15 And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son’s name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
Genesis 21:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and THY SEED after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to THY SEED after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Genesis 21:1 And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken. 2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. 3 And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.
12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of Abraham they are BOTH of his seed his direct genes, one is a child from a bondwoman and one is a child from his wife. The son of the bondwoman came when his wife suggested that Abraham and the bondwoman procreate. The son of his wife came through God’s direct promise, where God took the barren womb of Abraham’s wife and healed it so that it could be fruitful, a son of Abraham is then born. Through Abraham’s seed (Isaac), his only son born of a direct promise from God, all nations would be blessed.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Carmel, FIRST you have a son of the genes of Abraham, of Jesse, of David, and THEN according to a promise God is mindful of him, visits him, resting His Spirit upon him, CALLED an ANOINTING (CHRIO) making him into The ANOINTED (CHRISTOS), and God THEN sends him out into the world.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Carmel, the genealogy in Luke goes all the way to Adam, and Isaac is specifically said to be Abraham’s seed, what you are trying to push is completely false.
Jodi I don’t know what on earth are you talking about!
WHERE IS MY ACTUAL POSTING?
It’s no use insisting on the word
“SEED” unless you yourself admit and specify
WHAT KIND OF SEED IS!
God is a spirit, and all His tasks are
ALL SPIRIT,
EVEN WHEN IT IS A REFERENCE TO THE FLESH!
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S WORK!
Genesis 15:4 And immediately the word of the Lord came to him, saying :
He shall not be thy heir:
but he that shall come out of thy bowels,
him shalt thou have for thy heir.
Explain what actually is the meaning of
HE that shall
COME OUT
of thy bowels,
him
shalt thou have
for thy heir.
HOW AND WHO IS THAT CAME OUT OF ABRAHAM’S BOWELS?
Considering the fact that
“THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN TO BE, AS A SPIRIT. PREEXISTED!
IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN HIS PRIMACY
CONCEIVED ABRAHAM IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB TO BE
THE FIRST FATHER OF GOD’S OWN PEOPLE. and THE BEGINNING OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT IN
ISAAC.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
Ruth 1:11 And Naomi said, Turn again, my daughters: why will ye go with me? are there yet any more sons in my womb, that they may be your husbands?
2 Samuel 16:11 And David said to Abishai, and to all his servants, Behold, my son, which came forth of my bowels, seeketh my life: how much more now may this Benjamite do it? let him alone, and let him curse; for the LORD hath bidden him.
Psalm 71:6 By thee have I been holden up from the womb: thou art he that took me out of my mother’s bowels: my praise shall be continually of thee.
Isaiah 48:19 Thy seed also had been as the sand, and the offspring of thy bowels like the gravel thereof; his name should not have been cut off nor destroyed from before me. 20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.
Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
Genesis 21: 12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
SEED– zera — semen virile, offspring, descendant.
Carmel, BOTH Ishmael and Isaac are of the genes of Abraham, they are both of his SEED.
Carmel,
THIS is the WORD of the LORD,
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
This WORD of the LORD is made true in Jesus, WHO IS of the fruit of David’s loins, which means the same as he proceeded out of David’s bowels.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
FIRST you have a HUMAN of the fruit of David’s loins, his descendant, his offspring, and the LORD gives this son of David an eternal throne, and the LORD promises that He will be a Father unto this HUMAN of the seed of David.
Carmel YOU:
Considering the fact that
“THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN TO BE, AS A SPIRIT. PREEXISTED!
ME: You are trying to make a scripture fit into your false doctrine.
Isaiah speaks the WORD, it is the LORD’S WORD of what would occur in the FUTURE, Isaiah speaks it because the LORD chose him as a prophet and he speaks through God’s Spirit that is upon him. That which he speaks is the LORD’S WORD that is MADE true later in the flesh of Jesus, the Son of Man, the son of David. Jesus is not a pre-existent Spirit known as THE WORD. In the beginning was this WORD of the LORD which the LORD later gave to Isaiah to speak. This WORD that was in the beginning, later became true in the flesh of Jesus.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Carmel, the LORD DECLARED this SAME WORD BEFORE the WORLD WAS.
The LORD also PROMISED concerning the offspring of Jesse,
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Carmel, the “only begotten Son” is a reference TO JESUS of Nazareth, HE a mortal HUMAN of the fruit of David’s loins, is HE who IS called the “only begotten Son”. He is not called this because he pre-existed as a one of a kind spirit son. He is called this because he is the ONLY HUMAN who as Isaiah tells you in chapter 42 the LORD GAVE His GLORY to, the LORD called him, this human to righteousness for to direct all his ways so that he would be a LIGHT. There is no other mortal human who received that which was of the LORD’S WORD before the world even was, that Isaiah spoke. When the LORD was creating earth and man, ALONE by Himself as you are directly told, this WORD was WITH Him. When the LORD said, “let there be LIGHT”, the LORD KNEW of the LIGHT that would come which Isaiah spoke of. THAT LIGHT Carmel was WITH the LORD from the beginning. The LORD created all things through and for that LIGHT.
Carmel, people didn’t behold the glory of Jesus seeing him as a pre-existing spirit son, they beheld the glory of the man of Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61 who would fulfill Isaiah 53, a human who had the LORD’S Spirit bode upon him since the river Jordan, being filled with the Spirit and Power of the LORD who they witnessed him heal the sick, raise the dead, walk on water, turn water into wine, speak the LORD’S WORD with authority.
Carmel, scripture tells you directly that many believed in Jesus for that which he spoke, and that which he spoke was BECAUSE he, the son of David, had received the LORD’S Spirit without measure, something NO OTHER MORTAL had received.
Carmel, the WORD of the LORD that Isaiah spoke pre-existed, Jesus did not pre-exist.
Carmel, Psalms 8 is CLEAR, FIRST you have an ADAM who the LORD is mindful of and visits, and THEN He makes him lower than the angels for the suffering of death and crowns him with glory and honor, gives him (ADAM) dominion over all the works of the LORD’S hands.
Carmel, Isaiah 53 is clear, a man lays down his life for his brethren, and the LORD resurrects him and gives him a portion with the great, and gives him dominion to divide the spoil with the strong. Jesus is resurrected and receives a PROMISE Carmel, that PROMISE was the LORD’S WORD before the world was. The LORD made heaven and earth through that promise Carmel. Jesus is resurrected given eternal life receiving the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit which he will have for all eternity, he is said directly to receive the sure mercies of David. Jesus is made an eternal king of kings. He is returning to earth where others will receive the promised Holy Spirit for all eternity, and they too will be perfect, for there ARE JOINT HEIRS with Christ.
I wonder if anyone ever reads Jodi’s posts? I personally don’t read long-winded posts especially from people who cannot answer a simple yes or no to a fair question.
I think dishonest people put the devil in the details. Just like a dodgy document written by a lawyer whose motive is to screw you over.
Hi All,
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto A LIGHT that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 TO open the blind eyes, TO bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me TO preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me TO heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, TO set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 TO preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
The LORD is my WITNESS to the sincerity of my TRUST in HIS WORD, and to my ability to SPEAK in TRUTH as to the DETAILS that He has CLEARLY SPOKEN.
THERE ARE cunningly devised FABLES in regards to the COMING of the Lord Jesus Christ, but the WORD of GOD in the passages above gives us the TRUTH as to his coming.
An eyewitness called by God, gives us the ACCOUNT of the coming of the lord Jesus Christ. That account tells us that Jesus RECEIVED glory and honor WHEN there came such a voice from heaven declaring that “THIS is my beloved Son who I am well pleased.” THIS WAS WHEN the SPIRIT had just descended and came to abode upon Jesus of Nazareth. This eyewitness further explains that the COMING is also according to the SURE WORD of prophecy, where he speaks of a LIGHT that shineth in a dark place. Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61 give us the account as to the coming of our lord Jesus Christ.
For those who are unlearned of scripture, they are those who are they that bring forth destruction, they bring forth the very fables mentioned by Peter, creating false doctrine as to the COMING of our lord Jesus the ANOINTED. They don’t speak of his coming according to the SURE WORD of PROPHECY they speak of his coming according to their own inventions.
Jesus himself quotes the sure word of his coming according to prophecy, he speaks to us of Isaiah 61 in Luke 4.
Hi Jodi,
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and
his seed
were the promises made. He saith not,And to seeds, as of many; (a reference to ISMAEL AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO WERE BORN TO ABRAHAM AFTER SARA DIED)
but as of
ONE (IN PARTICULAR)
And to
thy seed, which is Christ. (Jesus, the Son of Man, PREEXISTED as a spirit in Abraham’s particular SEED)
Genesis 21: 12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice;
for in Isaac
(NOT IN ISMAEL, SATANICALLY CONTAMINATED BY THE BONDWOMAN’S OVUM)
shall
thy seed (CHRIST, Jesus, the Son of Man, preexisted as a spirit in Abraham’s particular SEED.)
be called.
13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because
he is thy seed. (THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL SEED OF ABRAHAM) AS YOU SAID YOURSELF HEREUNDER!
YOU: SEED– zera — semen virile, offspring, descendant.
YOU: Carmel, BOTH Ishmael and Isaac are of the genes of Abraham, they are both of his SEED.
Carmel,
THIS is the WORD of the LORD,
NO JODI,
THE ABOVE IS NOT THE PRECISE WORD OF THE LORD, IN RELATION TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING!
IT IS YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY!
The seed of Isaac, and of Ishmael
are not the same
as much as Cain, SATAN’S, and Abel, GOD’S, also
were NOT!
GOD WAS CLEAR:
FOR IN ISAAC
SHALL
YOUR SEED, CHRIST “THE WORD: Jesus the Son of Man to be (ACCORDING TO PAUL)
BE CALLED.
DESPITE BOTH WERE
ABRAHAM SEED
ONLY
IN ISAAC
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, PREEXISTED AS A SPIRIT
THE ETERNAL COVENANT
WAS CALLED.
Now read please:
Romans 7Neither are all they that are the seed of Abraham,
children:
but in
Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is to say, not they that are the children of the flesh
are the children of God:
but they that are the children of the promise
are accounted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise:
According to this time will I come.
And Sara shall have a son.
Jodi, GET THIS STRAIGHT INTO YOUR CARNAL MIND, THAT
SINCE GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT, OPTED TO
INTERVENE, HIS WORK WAS/IS
TOTALLY SPIRITUAL
ISAAC was more
the son of God,
THE PROMISE!
then the Son of Abraham. Read:
Now to Galatians 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman and the other by a free woman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was
born according to the flesh: (through sex)
but he of the free woman was (NOTICE: THE WORD BORN is not mentioned)
by promise. (SUPERNATURALLY CONCEIVED)
Back to Genesis 17:1 And after he began to be ninety and nine years old,
GIVE ROOM TO YOUR SPIRITUAL MENTALITY TO AWAKEN:
(WHY AT THAT AGE? 13 YEARS AFTER ABRAHAM BECAME FATHER OF ISHMAEL?)
the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him:
I am the Almighty God: ( the only time as far as I know that GOD, called Himself in that manner, A CLEAR SIGN THAT SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL FROM THAT INSTANT OCCURRED) walk before me, and
be perfect.
HOW CAN ABRAHAM BE PERFECT? As a human being Abraham could never be perfect, ONLY GOD IS PERFECT. IT IS SIMPLY AN INDICATION THAT FROM THAT MOMENT ON GOD WAS AT WORK BY “THE WORD” Jesus, Son of Man to be, AS A SPIRIT, IN ABRAHAM. SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, HENCE GOD ALL KNOWING, Satan’s plan to give birth to himself in Ishmael, MOHAMMAD! THE WILD MAN!
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS
I AM
IN ABRAHAM’S MOTHER’S WOMB BY “THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man to be, ETERNAL LIFE, in order to be IN ALL ABRAHAM’S
OFFSPRING
EVEN in SATAN’S OWN LINE THROUGH ISHMAEL, MENTIONED BY JESUS IN
John1o:16 And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd.
GOD SIMPLY IN THAT INSTANT MADE ABRAHAM
PERFECT,
IN ORDER TO PERFORM GOD’S WILL. READ:)
2And
I WILL
make my covenant between me and thee: and
I WILL
multiply thee(SUPERNATURALLY) exceedingly.( again IN/BY “THE WORD” ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM, SIMPLY
TO REDEEM THEM AND MAKE THEM
CHILDREN OF GOD by His SPIRIT, slain like a lamb …….Rev.13:8)
3Abram fell flat on his face.
( AND HOW, ABRAHAM Jodi BECAME INFERTILE, he suffered from erectile dysfunction, ED. THE REASON GOD WAITED 13 YEARS AND SAID TO ABRAHAM:)
4 And God said to him:
I AM,
( THE ALMIGHTY GOD) and my covenant is with
THEE, ( AT ALL COSTS, ALONE, WITHOUT SATAN’S INTERMINGLING
ACCORDING TO THE FLESH)
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IN GOD’S OWN WORK!
DEFINITELY SPIRITUALTHE PROMISE!
SATAN BECAME FUTILE ACCORDING TO THE FLESH AFTER ISMAEL WAS BORN AND SUFFERED FROM ED
IRONICALLY BY SATAN HIMSELF TO PREVENT GOD FROM HAVING HIS FIRSTBORN SON IN ABRAHAM
THE FIRST FATHER ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, and maintained His primacy which He STARTED in the very
BEGINNING in Lucifer
THE FIRST SON OF GOD, THE FIRST CARRIER OF GOD, THE FIRST MORNING STAR, THE LIGHT BEARER)
THUS GOD TRANSFORMED ABRAHAM AND MADE HIM
PERFECT!
AND BECAME THE UNIQUE FRIEND OF
GOD, and GOD BECAME
THE FIRST FATHER IN ABRAHAM, IN “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man TO BE.)
CARRY ON READING THE TRUTH:
and thou shalt be
A FATHER of many nations.
NOT THROUGH ABRAHAM’S SPERM AS SUCH,
FOR GOD’S SAKE FOR SURE!
(IN THE SAME WAY JESUS THE SON OF MAN, A MAN BORN AGAIN ON HIS RESURRECTION DECLARED TO MARY MAGDALENE:
I ASCEND TO (THE GLORY OF) MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER, OF MY GOD AND YOUR GOD)
I repeat:
GOD ALL KNOWING, KNEW SATAN’S INTENTIONS AND DEEDS THUS
He waited for Abraham to become INFERTILE, SATAN’S WORK, BY WHICH WORK, SATAN DESTROYED HIMSELF
AND HIS OWN CARNAL INTERMINGLING
ACCORDING TO THE FLESH,
WHO DID HIS CORRUPTED WORK IN ISHMAEL’S CONCEPTIONTHROUGH THE BONDWOMAN :
THE WILD MAN) MOHAMMAD
THE TRUE FIRSTBORN SON OF ABRAHAM.
ACCORDING TO THE FLESH! In the same way
Cain, ONLYCAIN was.
5Neither shall thy name be called any more Abram: but thou shalt be called Abraham: because
I HAVE MADE YOU
(ABRAHAM TOTALLY TRANSFORMED BY THE HOLY GHOST AND BECAME)
A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS.
(THE FATHER OF THE FIRSTBORN BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, without sexual intercourse, DESPITE ABRAHAM, HAD INTERCOURSE, )
in the same way, ABEL was, JOHN THE BAPTIST was, and JESUS was. Carry on reading:)
Genesis 17:15 God said also to Abraham: Sarai thy wife thou shalt not call Sarai, but Sara.
16And I WILL
BLESS HER, (again totally transformed SUPERNATURALLY conceived At 99 years by “THE WORD” Jesus TO BE, who
AS A SPIRIT MYSTERIOUSLY BY THE PROCESS OF BILOCATION,
CAME OUT OF ABRAHAM’S BOWELS) and
OF HER
( NOTICE, from now on Abraham is not EVEN mentioned regarding Isaac’s conception)
I ( GOD ALMIGHTY ALL BY MYSELF, BY MY SPIRIT)
WILL
give thee
A SON (A PARTICULAR son) , whom
I WILL
BLESS,
( BY THE PRESENCE OF “THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, and by
the Holy Ghost attributed to Jesus the Son of God ACCORDING TO THE SOUL OF ISAAC. John20:22)
THE FIRSTBORN BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD/SON OF MAN TO BE EMBODIED IN ISAAC.
ABRAHAM BECAME THE FRIEND OF GOD. )
and he shall become nations, and kings of people shall spring
FROM HIM.( ALL IN/BY “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be,)
Now let’s read and reflect from:
Genesis 18:9And when they had eaten,
THEY
said to him:
Where is Sara thy wife?
Notice THEY, the three of them SPOKE, THE LORD’S TRIUNE SPIRIT, asked PARTICULARLY FOR SARA!
He answered: Lo she is in the tent. 10And
HE
(THIS TIME not THEY, but THE LORD Jesus, ) SAID to him:
ATTENTION PLEASE Jodi:
I WILL
return and come to thee at this time, life accompanying, and
SARA, THY WIFE, SHALL HAVE A SON.
OK? PURE CLEAR ENGLISH:
I WILL RETURN AND COME TO THEE AT THIS TIME, ……
SARA, THY WIFE, SHALL HAVE A SON.
NOT SHALL HAVE HER SON, OR
SHALL HAVE YOUR SON.BUT
A SON
A PARTICULAR SON
Which when Sara heard, she laughed behind the door of the tent.
ATTENTION AGAIN AND READ:
11 Now they were
BOTH OLD, and
FAR ADVANCED IN YEARS, and
IT HAD CEASED TO BE WITH SARA
AFTER THE MANNER OF WOMEN,
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL Jodi: THEY WERE BOTH OVER AND DONE WITH REGARDING SEX !
ESPECIALLY ABRAHAM, HE WAS NO LONGER IN THE POSITION TO BECOME MAN REGARDING SEX, HE WAS INFERTILE!
More in the next post
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Nothing you quote Jodi disproves that his name is the Word of God and that God created all things through him.
Your whole argument using such verses has failed to disprove that he is in the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos.
Jesus said: “Before Abraham, I am”.
He also said: “My sheep hear my voice”.
(1) I wonder if anyone ever reads Jodi’s posts? I personally don’t read long-winded posts especially from people who cannot answer a simple yes or no to a fair question.
(2) I think dishonest people put the devil in the details. Just like a dodgy document written by a lawyer whose motive is to screw you over.
Hi T8,
1) I don’t:
I have tried to have active discourse with Jodi on several occasions,
but she doesn’t stick to the conversation. She instead keeps
going off into these long rants, so no, neither do I.2) Intentional avoidance to simple y/n questions:
“The Hot Seat” Exposes witty inventions.“I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.” (Prov 8:12)
____________
God bless
Ed JHi Jodi,
Continue from the last post:
let’s read and reflect from:
Genesis 18:11 Now they were
BOTH OLD, and
FAR ADVANCED IN YEARS, and
<h2>IT HAD CEASED TO BE WITH SARA</h2>
<h3>AFTER THE MANNER OF WOMEN.AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL Jodi, THEY WERE BOTH OVER AND DONE WITH REGARDING SEX!</h3>
BUT THE ODD THING WAS THAT THIS TIME,
<h2>ABRAHAM, WAS NO LONGER IN THE POSITION TO BECOME MAN REGARDING SEX,</h2>
<h2>HE SUFFERED FROM ED</h2>
LIKE ZACHARIA, JOHN’S FATHER WAS, and ELIZABETH WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY GHOST.From the above it is more than clear that
<h2>GOD ON HIS OWN</h2>
DEFINITELY CONCEIVED AND GAVE BIRTH TO ISAAC WITHOUT ANY INVOLVEMENT FROM BOTH Abraham and his wife Sara, though Sara in a particular way definitely participated, obviousSHE BORE ISAAC.
<h2>DID SHE? SHE DIDN’T as much as MARY and ELIZABETH ALSO DIDN’T.</h2>
The fact that when the Lord visited Abraham, they asked specifically and saidWHERE IS SARA YOUR WIFE?
which confirms her participation. IN A WAY!
Let’s go back to
Genesis 17:1 And after he began to be
ninety and nine years old, the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him:
<h2> I AM THE ALMIGHTY GOD:</h2>
walk before me, and be perfect.God was clear to Abraham:
<h2>BE PERFECT from that moment on.</h2>
2AndI WILL
make my covenant between ME and thee: and
I WILL
multiply thee exceedingly.
<h2>3Abram fell flat on his face.</h2>
AND HOW!Abraham simply couldn’t believe what God had just told him! It doesn’t make sense at all! He must have said to himself, if God really wanted
ME to become a father WHY and HOW waited FOR SO LONG till I became USELESS LIKE MY WIFE SARA INSTEAD OF MAKING SARA FERTILE. Obvious again, God simply made it clear to Satan that as much as he BY GOD’S SPIRIT
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man slain like a lamb….Rev.13:8,
SINCE ALL IN HIM AND ALL BY HIM, both in Satan and in Hagar, TILL TRUTH IS REVEALED, conceived Ishmael,
WHY SHOULDN’T HE?
ALMIGHTY GOD, ALL BY HIMSELF ALSO CONCEIVED AND GAVE BIRTH IN
ISAAC?
PLUS THAT GOD ELIMINATED ANY SPECK OF A TRACE OF CONTAMINATION BY SATAN IN
<h1>ISAAC.</h1>
<h2>THE PROMISE!</h2>
Genesis 17:15 God said also to Abraham: Sarai thy wife thou shalt not call Sarai, but Sara.16And
I WILL
BLESS HER ( definitely by THE PRESENCE OF “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, preexisted as a spirit in her womb and conceived Isaac) and
OF HER (ONLY OF HER, as clear as crystal, Abraham is not needed)
I WILL
give thee A SON, ( A PARTICULAR SON, also notice NOT I will give you YOUR son) whom
I WILL BLESS,
and he shall become nations, and kings of people shall spring from him.
<h2>17Abraham fell upon his face, and</h2>
<h1>LAUGHED,</h1>
saying in his heart:Shall a son, thinkest thou, be born to him (USELESS) that is a hundred years old? and shall Sara (BARREN and OLD) that is ninety years old bring forth?
18And he said to God: O that Ismael may live before thee. 19And God said to Abraham:
Sara thy wife
<h2>SHALL BEAR YOU</h2>
A SON, (NOT JUST FOR ABRAHAM, BUT ALSO FOR GOD)and thou shalt call his name Isaac, ( WHICH MEANS LAUGHTER)
and I will establish my covenant with him for a perpetual covenant, and with his seed after him. 20And as for Ismael I have also heard thee. Behold, I will bless him, and increase, and multiply him exceedingly: he shall beget twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation.
21But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sara shall bring forth to thee at this time in the next year.
Genesis 18:12And she laughed secretly, saying:
<h2>After I am grown old,</h2>
and MY LORD is
<h2>AN OLD MAN,</h2>
ABRAHAM WAS ALSO AN OLD MAN OF 86, WHEN SARA HERSELF SENT HIM TO HAGAR, OBVIOUS SHE KNEW THAT ABRAHAM WAS CAPABLE OF HAVING SEX. THUS THE FACT THAT SHE SAID SO, IT SIMPLY MEANS THAT ABRAHAM SUFFERS FROM ED AND COULD NEVER HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH HER. CONFIRMED HERE UNDR)
<h2>shall I give myself to PLEASURE?</h2>
THAT WHAT SHE, I’m afraid like you with every respect, Jodi CARNALLY THAUGHT. Both of them were simplyUSELESS REGARDING SEX! AND WERE NOT EVEN INTERESTED IN HAVING SEX, NEVER MIND REACHING THE APPROPRIATE SEXUAL FUNCTIONING.
And that’s what God wanted IN ORDER to MAKE Satan aware of
THE TRUTH, that with THE HOPE that he achieves his dream, topples God, and becomes man with his corruption and intermingling IN THE HUMAN REPRODUCTIVE PROCESS,
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, IT IS HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE TO ALL HIS WORK, AND
HE, EVEN MORE, JUSTIFIES AND MANIFESTS HIS GLORY.
<h2>For when I am weak, then am I powerful.</h2>
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS, andalways and only by God’s own power in “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit, SATAN ACCOMPLISHED ALL THAT HE COULD ACHIEVE REGARDING
HIS CORRUPTED FLESH REPRODUCTIVE SEXUAL PROCESS, IN ISHMAEL, and in his delusion, he TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT
HE IS WELL AHEAD OF GOD TO BECOME MAN ON EARTH THROUGH ISHMAEL.
FIRST HE INTERMINGLED AND MADE SARA BARREN, THEN HE MANIPULATED SARA’S MIND TO GIVE HAGAR TO ABRAHAM, THEN IN HIS LAST STUPID ATTEMPT MADE ABRAHAM INFERTILE THROUGH ED AFTER ISHMAEL WAS BORN, AND CONCLUDED THAT
GOD IN “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, preexisted as a SPIRIT, NEVER BECOMES
PERFECT and
THE FIRST FATHER IN ABRAHAM AND IN
ISAAC THE FIRST SEED OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT
and eventually
MAN GOD IN JESUS
on satanic earth.
God from the other hand commenced His work precisely after thirteen years of Ishmael’s birth. The time when Abraham became USELESS and alsoPERFECT! Thus officially He made the covenant with Abraham mentioned in
Genesis 17: This is my covenant which you shall observe between me and you, and thy seed after thee:
All the male-kind of you shall be circumcised. 11And you shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a sign of the covenant between me and you.
12An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every manchild in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant, shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock:
13And my covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant.
14The male whose flesh of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he hath broken my covenant.
Now reflect on
1 Corinthians 1: For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble.
27But the foolish things, of the world hath God chosen,
(MENTIONED ABOVE, WHICH YOU Jodi, ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT)
that he may confound
THE WISE: (I’M AFRAID YOU, WITH EVERY RESPECT)
and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, (in this particular case
THE WEAKNESS OF ABRAHAM AND SARA) that he may confound the strong.
28And the base things of the world and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen:
AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT
(LIKE ABRAHAM AND SARA were in that moment in time, simply DEAD regarding SATAN’S SEXUAL reproduction.)
THAT HE MIGHT BRING TO NOUGHT
<h2>(THE BIRTH OF ISAAC THROUGH SEX)</h2>
THINGS THAT ARE:
<h2>( ISAAC BORN THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD/ABRAHAM FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.)</h2>
29That no flesh should glory in his sight.(NEITHER MALE /ABRAHAM, NOR FEMALE/SARA)
IN ORDER for Abraham, and SARA TO
<h2>MANIFEST and PERFORM</h2>
GOD’S WILL.
<h2>IN THE BIRTH OF HIS SON</h2>
<h1>ISAAC</h1>
<h2>THE PROMISE</h2>
ANDABRAHAM BECAME
<h1>THE FRIEND OF GOD
</h1>
MORE IN THE NEXT POSTPeace and love in Jesus christ
Can’t answer yes or no because they fear being wrong because of pride. This fear is the lack of faith. Whereas an honest person wants to see their error so they can change and become better.
T8…..again good advice, so when are you going to start taking some of your own advice. Tell us was Jesus born a ordinary flesh and blood human being exactly as we are? , yes/no
Was Jesus anointed with the Holy Spirit at the Jordan River “after” he was baptized?, yes/no
Do you believe Jesus was “morphed” into a human body from another existence? Yes/no
Do you believe Jesus said he was the “root and “OFFSPRING” of King David? yes/no
And on and on it goes, as you people preach against what we have clearly quoted you, word for word, over and over, but you and others here have never came into understanding those clear scriptures, quoted to you, over and over. I have yet to hear one of you tell me or Jodi, yes scripture does say that, but we know better then what was written in our scriptures.
I am simply amazed at how many scriptures, Jodi and I have “directly quoted”, YOU PEOPLE, and none of you even acknowledge them. T8 talk about “the pot calling the kettle black”. Your doing a much better job at kicking the ball of “ignorance”, backword and foreword, with those ignorant, “flat earthers”. Imo
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Carmel…..do you just dream this stuff up as you go along, why not just stick to clearly written scriptures, instead of trying to speritulize everything without any written scriptural proofs supporting your conclusions. Use the scriptures as your support like the Apostle Paul and others did. Be specific, be clear, and read what Jodi and others say. Remember what it Says in Titus , “you have not received the spirit of fear, but of power and love and a sound mind”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi t8,
YOU:
Nothing you quote Jodi disproves that his name is the Word of God and that God created all things through him.
ME: t8 such a statement means you really haven’t heard anything I have been saying. Where have I ever said that I am trying to disprove that his name is the Word of God?NEVER EVER have I, FAR FROM IT. What I have said below I have said before. Get the argument straight t8, it’s about the identity of WHO Jesus is that is up for debate, not whether or not one of his names is the Word of God.
JESUS IS called the Word of God, and WHY would the human whose origin/beginning comes from the seed of Abraham and David according to Matthew be called such a name later in Revelation?
According to scripture,
Point 1, JESUS, who IS the root and offspring of David, a son of Man returning to sit on his father David’s throne, IS the fulfilled WORD of God. We see Jesus as our light for God fulfilled His WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah, where He called the son of Jesse to righteousness for TO BE a light even unto the Gentiles. By Jesus we know that God’s WORD is TRUE. Jesus himself reveals how he is God’s WORD made true in him when he quotes Isaiah 61. Isaiah 61 is God’s WORD and God made that WORD true in Jesus. Believing in Jesus means you believe God’s WORD is true in him.
Point 2, When Jesus quoted Isaiah 61 (God’s WORD) how it is true in him, that WORD was that he would be anointed and sent out to PREACH God’s WORD. Jesus did not speak his own words but he was anointed having the Spirit upon him so that he could speak that of God’s WORD. Hearing Jesus means your are listening to God’s appointed messenger, giving us God’s WORD.
Point 3, God’s WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah was that Jesus would not fail, that he would be obedient to his death and by his wounds we would be healed. Jesus thus likewise fulfills God WORD.
God fulfilled His promised WORD in JESUS. God anointed JESUS with His Spirit to speak God’s WORD and so that He could fulfill God’s WORD. God raised JESUS from the dead giving him the promised Holy Spirit, and the promised mercies of David. He is the fulfillment of Psalms 2, 8, 89 and Isaiah 7, 11 and 42 where there is still more of God’s WORD remaining for him to fulfill.
t8, Jesus, the root and offspring of David, is named God’s WORD for very good reason.
Hi t8,
You: Nothing you quote Jodi disproves that his name is the Word of God and that God created all things through him.
ME: Let’s get the record straight here t8, I have given posts identifying WHO the “him” IS. I have never ever tried to disprove any direct scripture.
t8, keep the proper argument straight that Gene and I have clearly laid before you.
We believe that God created all things through, BY REASON of JESUS, who IS the root and offspring of David, the firstborn of many brethren, the fulfilled promised Son of God according to Psalm 2 and 1 Chronicles 17.
You believe that God created all things through, By means of a spirit son who then later became born in human flesh given the name Jesus, that then went back to being a spirit son.
Isaiah 42 and 45 tell me that your interpretation of Colossians 1 CANNOT BE TRUE, furthermore in Colossians the person identified being spoken of IS THE MAN WHO SHED HIS BLOOD, I apply the passages in that chapter to being speaking of HIM.
God who cannot lie, PROMISED eternal life before the world was. God’s WORD most certainly pre-existed. THIS WORD was in the beginning WITH GOD. We are saved by a man who shed his blood, who went to the cross ACCORDING TO the foreknowledge and determined purpose of God. When God’s pre-existing WORD that was before the world was, that we read in Titus, the MAN JESUS who would be slain to deliver captives was IN that WORD. God made all things by reason of and for HIM.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
From the mouth of Jesus himself, God created creation.
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be…
Jesus is a MAN of that creation, he is of the people that God created as either male or female.
….26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power AND GLORY.
God created all things by Himself, there was no other, and He created it by reason of and for the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, the man that brings us righteousness and life, who could do nothing of himself, the Son of Man who IS the ROOT AND OFFSPRING of David who is returning IN GLORY.
Hi Ed J,
You want to accuse me of not sticking to the conversation, where I would say in my defense I am applying relevant scriptures to further my position as being true, I can’t help it if the LORD gives so many passages that proves my position. The fact that you don’t want to discuss it but just say I am going off conversation is your issue. You just don’t want to have to apply my expanding scriptural proof I give to my defense, it’s so much easier for you not to have to think about those passages and how they would actually apply.
God’s word gives me the great opportunity to be thorough, as His word aligns so well in SO MANY places perfectly.
Hi Carmel,
God has the power through His Spirit to cause a woman to be pregnant WITH the seed of her husband or betrothed husband. It’s really that simple, unless you want to deny the power of God’s Spirit and direct scripture? Scripture clearly states that Isaac was Abraham’s son, of his seed, and likewise Jesus’s origin/beginning and genealogy is said to be OF Joseph.
If someone says that they are of the seed of Abraham through Benjamin, then Isaac is certainly of the SEED of Abraham.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the SEED of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
SEED – SPERMA, the PRODUCT of SEMEN.
Carmel, the product of SEMEN contains the necessary chromosomes combined with a female egg to not only produce a human but also determines that human’s sex, male or female. THOSE chromosomes ARE the GENES that make you an offspring of your father.
Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation (GENESIS/ORIGIN/BEGINNING) of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham BEGAT Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;…16 And Jacob begat (Gennao) Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born (Gennao) Jesus, who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations (GENOS/Fathered/GENEALOGY) .
Carmel, Matthew DIRECTLY TELLS YOU that JESUS was FATHERED by/OF the GENES OF Abraham and David, as was PROMISED by God, THROUGH the GENES OF JOSEPH. This occurred through the power of God’s Holy Spirit, and is the fulfillment of Isaiah 7, where God declared there to be a SIGN of a virgin birth so that the house of David would know that God keeps His promise, concerning David’s SEED.
What was that promise? The angel spoke of it in Luke 1 and likewise it was given in OT scriptures.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary…31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Carmel, APPLY the GIVEN WORD to the GIVEN WORD! BELIEVE in the PROMISES of GOD and don’t make them VOID, don’t wash them under the rug and speak against GOD with a false doctrine.
God PROMISED David that OF David’s SONS a seed of David would be born and God WOULD BE a Father unto him, and give him the throne of his father David forever.
Later we read in Isaiah 7 how the King of Judah Ahaz had FEAR that another tribe would take over the throne of David, and God declared that it would not be so, and God gave the house of David a SIGN so that they would know that God keeps His promise that He had given to David, that we read in 1 Chronicles 17. That SIGN was that the promised seed of David that would be for an eternal king over the throne of David and rule over the house of Jacob would be born of a virgin.
TO TURN and deny God’s WORD given in 1 Chronicles 17, Isaiah 7, Isaiah 11, Luke 1, and in Matthew 1, and speak of the virgin birth as NOT being a SIGN for the house of David so they would know that the promised seed was born by the direct hand of God, is of GREAT ERROR. Carmel you teach a false image of Jesus making him identical to that of historical false gods, a man born of a virgin being impregnated by a fasle god, being seen as a god himself.
JESUS whose BEGINNING comes from the GENES of Joseph making him of the seed of David and Abraham as was promised by God, and then affirmed by Matthew, is he who God had promised that He WOULD BE a Father to him, and God promised that He WOULD make him great. Jesus BECOMES GREAT at the river Jordan as the Spirit descends upon him, AN ANOINTING being CHRIO MADE into the CHRISTOS, the only MORTAL MAN BEGOTTEN of God’s Spirit without measure, the only MORTAL MAN to be CALLED to RIGHTEOUSNESS and have God direct all his ways, JUST EXACTLY as God had PROMISED. The VERY reason WHY at that moment the Spirit abodes upon him God declares “THIS is my Son“, fulfilling what the angel told Mary in Luke 1, fulfilling what God had promised to David, fulfilling the words of God from the prophet Isaiah. That WORD becoming true in the flesh of JESUS. The people beheld his glory not because he was born god, nor because he pre-existed but BECAUSE beginning in Galilee AFTER the baptism John preached when Jesus left the Jordan having been FILLED with the Spirit and Power of God he began to fulfill all that God demanded of him, heal the sick, raise the dead, preach the Gospel, go to the cross learning obedience for to deliver captives.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
THIS is the one who was SENT by God Carmel, the only MORTAL MAN of the offspring of Jesse, to have been begotten of God’s Spirit without measure. JESUS IS God’s only begotten Son, not because he pre-existed, not because of being born of flesh but a god, but because he is the promised seed of David that God had said He would be a Father to and have him fulfill all His will.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Carmel, God didn’t send down a one of a kind spirit son, God didn’t impregnate Mary with His seed making Jesus a Son of God, GOD SENT JESUS into the world where Jesus went into the world having been SENT directly FROM HEAVEN, FROM GOD, upon God resting His Spirit upon him without measure. The savior SENT is the son of David, the son of Jesse as GOD HAD PROMISED, fulfilling that which God had promised unto the son of Jesse, begetting his son with His Spirit, His Spirit of Wisdom, of Understanding, of Council and Might, of Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, and then SENDING him out to deliver captives, be for a LIGHT unto all nations.
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
THIS man is able to judge NOT because he pre-existed, not because he was born a human and a god, but BECAUSE he is the OFFSPRING of JESSE who God had PROMISED He would raise him up in righteousness and direct all his ways. He judges NOT by his own eyes and ears, but through God by God’s Spirit resting upon him. Otherwise he could do nothing of himself.
THIS was God’s WORD from the beginning, when He by himself created all things. God made man in His own image, and the Son of Man is returning in the glory of His Father to set up his father David’s throne to rule on it forever more. God did not make earth and man in vein, He made it to be inhabited. Romans 8 tells you WHO the Son of God IS, he IS the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, and we are to be made in the image of that Son, joint heirs with him, being an heir also of God, living on earth having God also direct all our ways, so that we too can dwell without sin, having the fullness of God’s Spirit as Jesus received at the river Jordan.
The Son as said to BE the firstborn of the dead, is also said in Acts to have been raised from the dead receiving the PROMISED Holy Spirit, to receive the promised sure mercies of David, to be the fulfillment of Psalms 2, where God promised David’s son to on a certain day beget him and be a Father unto him.
HOW many PROMISES of God do you want to deny Carmel? THESE PROMISES were established before the world was. God had promised eternal life before the world was. When God said by his mouth “let there be light“, He knew full well the calling He would bring forth to the son of Jesse, making him to be a light unto all nations, bringing forth eternal life. God made all things by reason of and for this LIGHT! As in this man IS LIFE, in this man thus all things consist, the man who SHED his blood for to bring that LIFE, who did so by learning obedience as he was a Son of Man being TAUGHT by God.
To All,
I ask anyone to bring forth a scripture that tells us that we are saved because Jesus pre-existed.
Jesus himself tells us that he could do nothing of himself. Jesus himself tells us that it is because of the Spirit of God resting upon him that he is sent to deliver captives.
I ask anyone to bring forth a scripture that tells us that Jesus received the Spirit of God resting upon him at the river Jordan because he pre-existed.
Scripture tells us that the ONE to receive the Spirit of God to rest upon him for to deliver captives, is to be of the offspring of Jesse.
I ask anyone to bring forth a scripture that tells us that the one to receive dominion over all the works of God’s hands was to be a pre-existing spirit son.
Scripture tells us that God who created the heavens and earth is mindful of a HUMAN, and visits that HUMAN, and crowns that HUMAN with glory and honor and gives this HUMAN dominion over all the works of His hands.
Recall how God gave Adam dominion overall the earth but he died. Jesus however, called the Last Adam, was raised in glory, in power, incorruptible, receiving the PROMISED Holy Spirit and the mercies promised to David, which was for him to be a king of kings and a lord of lords, having dominion overall the earth, including all the beasts of the land and sea.
Recall how God said that He did not make earth and man in vein, but made the earth to be inhabited. Recall how God made man in His own image, and how we are told that the MAN who Shed his blood, is he who is the image of the invisible God. Recall how God said that Jesus was delivered to be slain by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God. Recall how Jesus declares, after he ascended to heaven as the Son of Man to sit at God’s right hand, that he IS the root and offspring of David. Recall how the Son of God IS directly identified as being the firstborn of many brethren, and how he IS the Son of Man returning in GLORY to establish an eternal kingdom. Recall how God declared the END from the beginning.
Good Morning All,
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus.
2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus, …9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel: 11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, HEAR THESE WORDS; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he HAS RECEIVED from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
Acts 10:37 That WORD, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
THE WORD is how God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth WITH the Holy Spirit and Power.
Jesus was not a Messiah because he pre-existed. People didn’t behold the glory of Jesus because he pre-existed.
The people saw Jesus as the Messiah, filled with grace and truth, because he had been ANOINTED upon his baptism at the river Jordan being filled WITH the Holy Spirit and Power.
God ordained THIS MAN who HE raised from the dead RECEIVING the PROMISED Holy Spirit, to be the judge of the quick and the dead.
The ROOT and OFFSPRING of David, Jesus of Nazareth IS God’s OATH, he is GOD’S WORD fulfilled, GOD’S WORD that was FROM BEFORE the world began.
The anointed Jesus of Nazareth receiving from God the Holy Spirit and Power who was then sent out into the world to be wounded for our transgressions, is ACCORDING to God’s own PURPOSE and GRACE that God had established before the world began.
HEAR THE WORD of GOD that was according to His PURPOSE and GRACE before the world began,
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
HERE the WORD, that was from the beginning according to God’s PURPOSE and Grace WHEN He alone created heaven, earth, and man,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel: 11 Where unto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
THE WORD began in Galilee, AFTER the baptism John preached, HOW GOD had ANOINTED JESUS of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and Power who was then sent fulfilling God’s will as God was with him. This man begotten of the Spirit filled with Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, was ANOINTED by the Spirit TO PREACH God’s WORD, perform signs and miracles, to heal, to deliver captives out of darkness. This man was called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT and bring forth LIFE according to the PURPOSE and Grace of God that God had established before the world began.
Now APPLY this TRUTH, do not be without UNDERSTANDING, do not be without God’s GIVEN WORD, when you read John 1. NOTICE how this passage leads up to John bearing witness to Jesus of Nazareth receiving the Holy Spirit and John declaring that this is the Son of God. Remember John also was spoken in God’s WORD in prophecy. Likewise John knew according to prophecy to be fulfilled that Jesus WAS to be called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. John knew this was God’s WORD before the world was, that this man was IN God’s WORD from the beginning.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred (Ginomai – to become) before (Emprosthen- in front/in the presence or sight of) me: for he was before (Protos – first in rank/first in honor) me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is to become in my presence: for he was (according to prophecy,) first in rank/honor. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred (Ginomai – to become) before (Emprosthen – in the sight of ) me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred ( Ginomai – to become) before ( Emprosthen – in sight of) me: for he was before ( Protos- in rank/honor) me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
The WORD of Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61 MADE true in the flesh of Jesus. John is a witness for to declare that WORD made true, that it is Jesus of Nazareth who is the LIGHT of Isaiah 42, which WAS God’s WORD from the beginning. John is a witness to tell us that this Jesus is the Son of God, also according prophecy given in 1 Chronicles 17, where God had said He would be a Father unto David’s seed, raising him up to fulfill all His will and be for a savior.
THE WORD of God from the beginning spoken later by Isaiah, IS “HOW GOD had ANOINTED JESUS of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and Power..”
THIS is the beginning of the Gospel as you are directly told, why we see Mark 1 tell us this also, and as John likewise begins with it. The good news unto all nations is how God ANOINTED the MAN Jesus of Nazareth. THEN this man, the only mortal to receive such glory from God as according to Isaiah 42, the only man to have been begotten by God’s Spirit filled with grace and truth, he was sent out and PREACHED to us further that which was God’s WORD that was according to His purpose and grace before the world was.
Psalms 8, Isaiah 42 and 45 along with Jesus’s words, tells you that God himself created heaven, earth and man. You are directly told that Christ Jesus and the eternal life that he would bring as a man anointed, was according to God’s purpose and grace before the world was. A MAN SHED his blood and was raised from the dead being firstborn overall creation, given dominion over all things ACCORDING to Psalms 8, because he was a HUMAN who God was mindful of and visited, then crowned this human with glory and honor giving this human dominion over all God’s works.
God did not create earth and man in vein. God created man in His own image, and the man who SHED his blood erasing eternal death and receiving the promise of the Holy Spirit and eternal life, he is the image of the invisible God, and we are promised to be made into the image of the Son, and the image of the Son is directly told to you to be the man who is first according to an order that God had established before the world was, firstborn of the dead of many brethren.
God did declare the END from the beginning, and we are directly given that END, which is the ROOT and OFFSPRING of David sitting on David’s throne for evermore, with God being as a Father unto him, having fulfilled His WORD promised to David concerning David’s son in Psalms 2.
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