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Hi Carmel,
YOU:
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands
I commend my spirit. (IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit took hold of the entire physical creation, justified as its source, and it became JESUS EMBODIMENT!
ME:
What you say makes NO SENSE and it’s contradictory, you say “the Son of Man”, as a spirit.
The Son of Man is a Son of Man, meaning Jesus is a HUMAN, NOT a spirit. The LORD created mankind and gave them a spirit to WALK therein. Man walks according to his own spirit, his ignorant wisdom he declares as truth, but it is not the truth because God is the source of all truth, man is but a fool. Man’s spirit follows his own imagination, and that imagination has created all sorts of false gods, false science, all manner of false beliefs.
God called a HUMAN to righteousness resting His Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD. JESUS is that HUMAN and with God’s Spirit resting upon the spirit that God gave to man to walk therein, Jesus’s human spirit was being led in the way that it should go, where God would not let that spirit fail He promised to direct it in all ways, it would be obedient, it would be faithful, even unto death on a cross.
You and others preach your OWN Gospel, you treat God’s given Gospel as if it is VANITY.
Jesus’s words, “I commend my spirit” is DIRECTLY from prophecy from king David.
1 In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust; let me never be ashamed: deliver me in thy righteousness. 2 Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defense to save me. 3 For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name’s sake lead me, and guide me. 4 Pull me out of the net that they have laid privily for me: for thou art my strength. 5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth. 6 I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD. 7 I will be glad and rejoice in thy mercy: for thou hast considered my trouble; thou hast known my soul in adversities;
Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Upon Jesus’s last breath he was committing his spirit to God, he was saying He trusts in God that God will do that which He promised, which was to quicken his spirit from the dead. Adam was made a living soul, Adam died and he is still dead, Jesus died but God quickened his spirit, he raised him up from the dead giving him not only life again, but eternal life. Why we read in prophecy from David, “Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me O LORD God of truth“.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
The one raised up is the Second Adam (HUMAN) who according to the flesh is to sit on David’s throne. He lives in the image of the invisible God. The Spirit of God is a witness to his spirit that he is a Son of God. He as firstborn of the New Heaven and Earth, being a New Man, which is the END that God declared from the beginning, fulfilling God’s word that God made man in His own image.
Genesis 3: 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Proverbs 3:17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. 18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her. 19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens. 20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew. 21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion: 22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck. 23 Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Jeremiah 15:15 O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke. 16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying,It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
John 4:31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. 32 But he said unto them,I have meat to eat that ye know not of. 33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? 34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Jesus IS NOT speaking as being a spirit son having come down to earth, Jesus is speaking as the HUMAN who had God’s Spirit resting upon his human spirit, so that his spirit could walk in all the ways of the LORD and reach eternal life. With that Spirit upon him Jesus was set apart/anointed/dedicated being SENT out TO PREACH God’s word, HEAL performing signs and miracles, TO deliver captives, those that sit in darkness he would be for a LIGHT, having been CALLED to righteousness. Jesus the son of Jesse was given the Spirit of Wisdom and Jesus did eat that which was a Tree of Life unto him, he ate the words of the LORD, he obeyed God’s every command fulfilling God’s will, doing God’s work that God sent this HUMAN born again of God’s Spirit, to do.
He who God sent was not a spirit son, God sent the Son of Man to save that which was lost, the Son of Man from prophecy who God said He would be mindful of an VISIT, the man who would be anointed with the Spirit without measure, the promised seed of David who God had said would fulfill all His will. The man who God had said He would not allow his flesh to see decay, but eternal life.
Hi Jodi,
ME: Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands
I commend my spirit. (IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit took hold of the entire physical creation, justified as its source, and it became JESUS EMBODIMENT!
YOU: What you say makes NO SENSE and it’s contradictory, you say “the Son of Man”, as a spirit.
Jodi, FOR YOU
CARNALLY MINDED DEFINITELY MAKES NO SENSE!
Here is the complete verse:
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands
I commend my spirit.
And saying this he gave up the ghost.
Jodi, I repeat:
you are simply totally CARNALLY MINDED.
You looked at Jesus from the human flesh side point of view that He was a human being, but you never saw what was going on, what actually occurred PRECISELY when Jesus said those vital words:
INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMEND MY SPIRIT!
I wrote in SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH and in block capitals:
IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME!
What actually happened
SPIRITUALLY,
IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME Jesus said those VITAL WORDS FOR HUMANITY? DESPITE JESUS DIED?
SAY SOMETHING! I AM WAITING FOR YOU FIRST!
Jodi, IT’S NO USE TALKING TO YOU REGARDING THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS OF
GOD THE FATHER ON EARTH BY JESUS! THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE!
UNLESS YOU PRAY GOD TO REVEAL TO YOU HIS WISDOM, and not rely on earthly corrupted wisdom, YOU REMAIN CARNALLY MINDED!
James 1:5 But if any of you want wisdom, let him ask of God who giveth to all men abundantly and upbraideth not.
And it shall be given him.
8A double minded man is inconstant in all his ways.
THAT’S THE ONLY WAY FOR TRUTH!
I EXPERIENCED IT!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..when we all die our bodies goes to coruption back to the earth, and the spirit returns unto God.
Ecc 12:7…..“then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the Spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Thats what happens to all that die, even us, why do you think Jesus was or would be any different? The only thing different was Jesus “body” didn’t see coruption, as our does, because he was without sin. He did not have to lose his body as we do. But was resurected with his body and now lives forever in that “Body”, that never saw coruption in the grave.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
Jodi, I repeat:
you are simply totally CARNALLY MINDED.
You looked at Jesus from the human flesh side point of view that He was a human being, but you never saw what was going on, what actually occurred PRECISELY when Jesus said those vital words:
INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMEND MY SPIRIT!
I wrote in SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH and in block capitals:
IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME!
What actually happened
SPIRITUALLY,
IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME Jesus said those VITAL WORDS FOR HUMANITY? DESPITE JESUS DIED?SAY SOMETHING! I AM WAITING FOR YOU FIRST!
Jodi, IT’S NO USE TALKING TO YOU REGARDING THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS OF
GOD THE FATHER ON EARTH BY JESUS! THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE!
ME: Carmel, I look at Jesus DIRECTLY from the view point of God’s direct WORD.
Jesus was a man who could do nothing of himself.
Jesus was a man who God CALLED to RIGHTEOUSNESS for to be a LIGHT.
Jesus is the son of Jesse who God rested His Spirit upon without measure, who God chose from out of the people to direct all his ways, where God said He would hold Jesus’s hand and not let him fail.
Because God directed all of Jesus’s ways resting His Spirit upon him, because as Jesus said he did all things through being TAUGHT by God, Jesus as a HUMAN through the work of God’s Spirit upon him, was able to condemn sin in his flesh. That right there is a New Man!!
God was able to PERFECT Jesus after God tested his obedience, and he was obedient unto going to his DEATH. Upon his words of committing to God his spirit, just prior to his death, he was declaring as a MAN his trust in God. Jesus KNEW, he had faith in God’s word, what God had declared in Isaiah 53, what God had declared in Psalm 8, what God had declared in 2 Samuel 7, what God had declared to David in Psalm 8, JESUS KNEW, he had all faith in what God had promised unto his human spirit, God was going to quicken his spirit, God was going to make David’s son into His FIRSTBORN, firstborn of many, that God was not going to allow Jesus’s flesh to see decay.
Carmel, God made mankind, He made Adam, God said that He made the people and gave them a spirit to walk therein. God allows us to walk our own ways, by such it is made evident that we cannot keep one letter of the law, we cannot do one good thing, as Jesus said ONLY GOD is GOOD, as Jesus said he could do nothing himself. As Paul says those that are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. To be spiritually minded is to take in and believe God’s word. Jesus was fully led by God’s Spirit, as God had promised to raised him up in righteousness and directs ALL his WAYS, this is how Jesus is a Son of God, for his human spirit is FULLY LED by God’s Spirit, and by such Jesus was spiritually minded and not carnally minded. He destroyed the enmity!
Adam was made a living being but he died.
Jesus died but God quickened his spirit, God brought his spirit back to life in the same human body as God had promised David that God would not allow Jesus’s flesh to see decay, it would see eternal life. Jesus died having committed his spirit to God and God then quickened Jesus’s spirit in his body. Now we see this Jesus sitting at God’s right hand, now we believe that this Jesus was raised in glory, in power, and incorruptible. We believe he WAS RAISED to LIFE as FIRSTBORN of MANY.
What you Carmel and others on this forum do is speak AGAINST the Holy Spirit, you DENY God’s work of His Spirit on a human. No other mortal received God’s Spirit without measure, no other mortal was called to righteousness to have God direct all his ways, the only mortal human to receive God’s glory was the mortal Jesus, the son of David, and by that glory Jesus condemned sin in the flesh. Jesus is PROOF to us of God’s working Spirit upon a man.
Jesus said to us, “33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”
Jesus was called to righteousness, he is not God, on the contrary Jesus is the human who God perfected by directing all his ways, having him learn obedience, and he received eternal life for it, he received the promised Holy Spirit to abode on him for eternity, he received the mercies of David that God had promised.
Jesus said, 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
God calls people through His Spirit to believe in His Son, the man who was led by God’s Spirit having been called to righteousness where God directed all his ways. God’s will is for us to believe in the operation of God, to SEEK His righteousness as Jesus received it. Paul teaches us that those who have faith in God will be perfected together, that we will be heirs of God and a joint heir therein with Christ. God is going to be all in us, God is going to direct all our ways too. We are to desire the kingdom, we are to desire to be born into the kingdom Jesus became firstborn of. We are to believe IN God’s word and if God’s word is IN us, then Jesus is IN us, for Jesus is IN God’s word. Not only that but Jesus spoke to us of himself and of God’s kingdom and God’s righteousness. If we believe in the word of Jesus we are believing in God’s word, for Jesus spoke not his own words but that of God’s. Jesus spoke God’s word because God gave Jesus of His Spirit not by measure. Jesus is one with God for God’s word is in him and it directs all his ways, Jesus follows God’s will, and by such they are united as one. Because Jesus cleansed us from our sins, we too are one with God if we desire the operation of God, as our faith is counted as our righteousness, and by such we are promised to be an heir of God as Jesus is an heir.
Hi Carmel,
What you seem to be saying is that men moved by the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s word, to reveal God’s purpose, so that it is no longer a mystery, IS A LIE according to you. The words given to us are carnal words according to you, if we believe them for what they say we are carnally minded. You are saying that you have God’s Spirit and thus you can take those carnal words and interpret them to give the true spiritual meaning. Is this really what you are trying to say Carmel?.. as it sure sounds like this is what you are trying to say.
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he RECEIVED from God the Father honour and glory, WHEN there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
There was Jesus of Nazareth who upon the Spirit descending upon him like a dove he was SET APART/ANOINTED by having received as a mortal man God’s Spirit without measure. This mortal man was CALLED to RIGHTEOUSNESS. The Spirit descended upon Jesus and he RECEIVED from God honor and glory, and at that moment God declared him as His Son. At that moment Jesus was begotten by God and made Christ the Lord, and God SENT THIS SON out into the world TO, as Jesus says in Luke 4, to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
What does Paul also say in Ephesians 3,
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
God’s eternal purpose He purposed IN Christ Jesus, NOT in some spirit son, but in the anointed man. God created all things through him. To think that means that Jesus pre-existed and made all things is foolishness, as we are directly told that God ALONE himself created all things, and He did so not in vein. God created all things knowing the power of His Spirit, how He could call a man to righteousness and direct all His ways. God made all things by His PURPOSE which was IN Christ Jesus, not some spirit son, but Christ Jesus, the anointed Jesus. The anointed Jesus is not some anointed spirit that became a man, the anointed Jesus is the Jesus who RECEIVED the Spirit without measure, who RECEIVED gory and honor when the Spirit descended like a dove upon him.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
God’s eternal purpose was IN the seed of David before the world was. When we read in Isaiah 42 and 45 that God created heaven and earth and then we read that He called a man to righteousness for to be a Light, where God would direct all his ways and he would let go captives, that was God’s determined purpose before the world was, He was making all things according to that purpose. God’s Son is a perfect man, God made all things through him. God’s Son is the seed of David and a Son ACCORDING to the Holy Spirit, not a Son according to preexisting as a spirit.
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
When God ALONE by HIMSELF made all things He did so according to an eternal purpose, A New Heaven, a New Earth, a New Man, a Perfect Man, a Second Adam (HUMAN) who inhabits the New earth with God directing all his ways, who follows God’s will and thus is one with God.
Hello All,
This chapter is the WORD of the LORD, where therein we are told that there is only one LORD, there is none besides Him, and it is HE who ALONE by Himself created heaven and earth. We are likewise told that the WORD of God that goes out of His mouth in righteousness was declared from ancient times. The LORD created earth and man, and He raises one up in righteousness and promises to direct all his ways.
What this chapter declares CLEARLY is that the one raised up in righteousness is NOT the LORD, likewise he had no hand in creation, as the LORD made it ALONE, by HIMSELF.
What this chapter declares CLEARLY is that the LORD’S WORD of raising one up in righteousness, promised to be directed by the LORD in all his ways to build a city for the LORD and deliver captives, was the LORD’S WORD that came out of His mouth in righteousness from ancient time (beginning, aforetime).
When you BELIEVE in this WORD OF the LORD that proceeded out of His mouth before the world was, and APPLY IT to Luke 3 and 4 you see the LORD’S WORD came TRUE in Jesus of Nazareth.
When you BELIEVE in the WORD’S that came out of the LORD’S mouth before the world was that the prophet Isaiah gives us, you believe that a man called to righteousness to be a savior, was the LORD’S WORD before the world was.
WHEN the LORD ALONE, by HIMSELF was creating earth and man, IN HIM, IN HIS RIGHTEOUS MOUTH was ALSO Jesus of Nazareth who the LORD would call to righteousness to save His people.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath ANOINTED ME TO preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
When the LORD spoke in the beginning declaring “let there be light”, let it be known that the LORD Himself is LIGHT, and by His WORD He also FORMS LIGHT, all the LIGHT He would bring forth was declared from the beginning.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Jesus is NOT ordinary,
When David spoke prophecy of the LORD being mindful of a man and visiting him, and Isaiah spoke of the son of Jesse having God’s Spirit come to rest upon him, that visitation set this man apart from all other men.
This visitation, said to be an anointing, is also declared as a calling to righteousness where the LORD is to direct all this man’s ways. A man who the LORD promised would not fail in fulfilling what the LORD elected him out of the people to accomplish. The LORD promised unto a son of David who was to come of David’s sons, that He would not remove His mercy (goodness) from him, that He would be a Father unto him.
John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. …
…34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Here we see how the man Jesus is no ordinary man. He was BORN AGAIN becoming a Son of God. He was sent to preach the LORD’S WORD, His Gospel, the coming Kingdom, and he is able to do so because he was born again of the Spirit. He can speak to the kingdom of God because he entered God’s kingdom. God was mindful of a man just as He promised He would be, He visited the Son of Man just as He promised, resting His Spirit upon him not by measure, anointing him where the LORD would not take away His mercy (goodness) upon him, but make him into a firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth (Psalms 89).
God’s WORD spoken to the prophets fulfilled in all accounts that we read from their scriptures being made true in the flesh of Jesus. God had said He would make David’s son into His own Son, on a certain day David’s son was born again, begotten of God’s Spirit.
God didn’t declared Jesus as His Son the day he was baptized and the Spirit came to abode upon him, because he pre-existed as a spirit son and then was transformed into being of human flesh. God declared Jesus as His Son as fulfillment to His WORD spoken to the prophets. God declares Jesus as His Son because he was just begotten by God of His Spirit.
That Spirit that abodes upon him is a calling to righteousness where God is going to direct all His ways. If Jesus is filled with the Holy Ghost at the river Jordan, being sent out doing nothing of himself, doing all of God’s will and not his own, JESUS is thus ONE with God.
Seriously folks, being a man called to righteousness with God declaring He is going to direct all your ways, is the equivalent of Jesus and God being of ONE.
Jesus saying that he does not follow his own will but God’s will, is the equivalent of God and Jesus being ONE. We see in the man Jesus God’s Spirit working in him, we see Jesus doing the works of God according to him being obedient to God, which comes directly through God directing all his ways. They are ONE because God rested His Spirit upon him not by measure, NOT because he existed before as a spirit son who came to dwell in flesh, not because he was born half God half man, not because he is a Godman.
When you apply God’s clear given word from the prophets to the New Testament you can understand the New Testament correctly.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us,that they without us should not be made perfect.
Abraham is of these who obtained a good report by his faith. Jesus says that Abraham rejoiced to see his day. Abraham knew, he had faith that he would be resurrected from the dead because he foresaw his seed be raised up as a savior, die for our sins, and become the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. Abraham saw the future and that through his seed all nations would be blessed. Isaiah spoke of this when he wrote of the seed of Jesse, who is likewise the seed of Abraham, and of their seed one would be called by God to righteousness for to be a covenant unto Israel, even a LIGHT to the Gentiles, all nations being blessed. Jesus is the first of many to be raised up, and those of faith in him unto the operation of God, are raised up from the dead being made like him at his second coming. This is why Abraham rejoiced and Jesus spoke of it.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
They clearly did not understand what Jesus just said, as he said that Abraham saw him, saw what God promised to be fulfilled in the future, not Jesus was declaring that he was so old that he himself saw Abraham. Abraham saw the death of Jesus and his resurrection, and Abraham had faith that he too would be resurrected. Jesus is the first, he is raised BEFORE Abraham, God’s promise fulfilled, Jesus being ginomai- completed, by receiving his reward of eternal life.
Jesus replies to these men according to the context of what he just said, of which they did not understand,
58 Jesus said unto them,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was (Ginomai – to become, to arise, be made finished), I am.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Matthew 26:32 But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.
BEFORE Abraham, who is dead, is to ginomai -to arise and receive the promise God promised before the world was, eternal life, Jesus declares that he comes BEFORE him.
Prior in the chapter Jesus said,
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus’s day, Abraham believed Jesus was the LIGHT, and it was unto him a promise of life eternal because of his faith in the operation of God. How is Jesus this LIGHT, because God had called him, the son of Jesse, the son of Abram to righteousness where God directed all his ways so that he would be FOR A LIGHT.
BECAUSE God was directing all the ways of Jesus, Jesus was made perfect by his obedience to that which God asked him to do. Because Jesus followed all of God’s ways, did not do his own will but that of God’s, he was not worthy of death, he could not be held to the penalty of death. BECAUSE OF THIS, God raised this son of Jesse from the dead and gave him eternal life.
Jesus was not raised because he pre-existed as a spirit son with glory, and was to go back to his glory for having come down to earth transformed into flesh to die for us. THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE.
Jesus could not be held to the penalty of death BECAUSE as a human having been called to righteousness with God directing all his ways, he was without sin and thus was not worthy of the penalty of sin, so God raised him up.
According to Psalms, he didn’t go back to glory that he had before, he received glory as a human who God crowns with an eternal kingdom giving him dominion over all the works of God’s hands. According to Psalms the son of David receives his father’s throne for all eternity. According to Psalms this son of David is made God’s firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. According to Isaiah the LORD who created heaven and earth ALONE by Himself, spoke of a man who would suffer and die paying the penalty for our sins, but be raised from the dead and be given a portion of the spoil with the great, and be appointed to divide this spoil.
According to Isaiah these words that come from the mouth of the LORD are righteous, and they were declared from ancient times (aforetime). Thus the glory that Jesus would know he was to receive he knew of it according to God’s word spoken to the prophets, he knew it according to God’s word that God had declared of him from the beginning. Why we see Jesus after having been raised from the dead teaching his disciples of himself according to the Old Testament scriptures. He does not speak of his glory as returning to his former spirit self, he speaks of his glory as the son of David who God had made into His own Son, who God had raised up making him a firstborn Son of many brethren. He spoke of the inheritance he received and how he was going to divide it with those that God has given him.
No Jodi
When you read the New Testament you get a better understanding of the Old Testament progressive revelation goes forward not backwards Jodi.
May God save you
Anthony……..progressive revelation does not destroy previous revelation it fulfills it. Jesus never destroyed the words of the prophets he fulfilled it, he even used the words of the previous prophets to show who he was to his deciples and followers just as Jodi and I do.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Hi Anthony,
Gene is correct and you could not be more wrong. Prophecy of the Old Testament is God’s word of what would occur in the future, it’s not to be changed or denied, it is to be fulfilled, it is TRUTH that must be applied in the entirety of the bible. The LORD’S WORD that proceeded out of His mouth with righteousness, His WORD that was declared from ancient times, that would be fulfilled.
In the NT many times over they are quoting prophecy showing it fulfilled, as well Jesus and likewise others of the NT speak of prophecy from the OT as not yet fulfilled, asserting that it will be.
Anthony, Jesus rose from the dead and said himself in Luke that he was teaching his disciples of himself ACCORDING TO the scriptures of the Old Testament. Which means he would be saying that he is the son of David of David’s sons who God promised He would be a Father to. He would be saying that as David’s son he is the one who God promised to make him His firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Anthony, Paul in Romans 1 likewise teaches directly that the LORD’S WORD given in prophecy was fulfilled, it IS the Gospel, that FIRST you have the son of David and THEN the Son of God is made FROM/OUT of him, Jesus declared a Son according to the Spirit.
Acts 2, 10, and 13 are very clear as to WHO Jesus is before and after being raised from the dead, a human of the fruit of David’s loins, a man God made as our lord and Christ. A man after the baptism John preached God had anointed and sent him out to preach His Gospel and due good deeds in God’s name. A man that received by God mercies that God had promised to David concerning his son. A man that received the promise of the Holy Spirit. You are directly TOLD Anthony that the resurrection of Jesus is the fulfillment of Psalms. You have Jesus teaching his disciples after he rose just that.
Jesus sits on an eternal throne according to the flesh being of the seed of David, and being God’s Son according to the Spirit.
Hi Gene and Jodi
You: Anthony……..progressive revelation does not destroy previous revelation it fulfills it.
Me: lets get things right here i didn’t say it destroyed Old Testament scriptures. I said When you read the New Testament you get a better understanding of the Old Testament progressive revelation goes forward not backwards you can’t understand the Old Testament without the New Revelation of the New.
May God save you
Hi Anthony,
If OT scriptures aren’t destroyed, if OT prophecies are TO BE TRUE, then THEY provide understanding to the NT, they are to be directly APPLIED to the NT. The writers of the NT thought so, as they quoted the OT many times. You have to know the God of the OT to make sure you understand that such is the same God in the NT. You have to know the Messiah according to the OT to make sure you don’t create a false Messiah in the NT.
Jodi…..And that is exactly what they have done , they have created a different Jesus then the one described in the OT, and even a different Jesus described in the NT. They haven’t addressed any of the direct quoted scriptures we have produced. They are simply t h e blind leading the blind.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Jodi,
YOU: John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
According to Jesus Abraham SAW JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE!
Genesis 22:5 So Abraham rising up in the night, saddled his ass, and took with him
two young men,
and Isaac his son: and when he had cut wood for the holocaust, he went his way to the place which God had commanded him.
4 And on the third day, lifting up his eyes,
he saw the place afar off. And he said to his young men:
Stay you here with the ass;
I and the boy will go with speed as far as yonder, and after we have worshipped,
will return to you.
6And he took the wood for the holocaust, and
laid it upon Isaac his son;
and he himself carried in his hands
fire and a sword.
And as they two went on together, 7Isaac said to his father:
My father. And he answered: What wilt thou, son?
Behold, saith he, fire and wood: where is the victim for the holocaust?
8And Abraham said:
God will provide
HIMSELF
a victim for
a holocaust, my son.
So they went on
together.
In the above Jodi, there’s a hidden spiritual message attributed to Jesus’ divinity, pre-existence and redemption! I wrote it purposely in bold and capitals to make you ponder!
ALWAYS IF YOUR SPIRIT IS AWAKE! WHICH I DOUBT WITH EVERY RESPECT!
YOU: Abraham saw the future and that through his seed all nations would be blessed.
What Kind of SEED Jodi, ABRAHAM’S SPERM WAS USELESS SINCE Sarah his wife was barren?
AND WHY ABRAHAM SEED WITH THE BONDWOMAN WAS NOT ACCEPTED BY GOD?
WASN’T IT, THE WAY YOU CARNALLY LOOK AT IT,
ABRAHAM SEED AS WELL?
Was it actually
ABRAHAM’S SPERM REGARDING ISAAC?
OR WAS IT IN ACTUAL FACT
“THE WORD” Jesus to be, the Son of Man to be, as a spirit buried in Abraham’s sperm, and embodied in Abraham’s soul
Simply to be
THE FIRST FATHER and maintains
HIS ABSOLUTE PRIMACY?
As He was in Lucifer, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel/Seth, Henoch, Noah, Abraham,………
like a treasure hidden in a field! Matthew 13:44
YOU: They clearly did not understand what Jesus just said, as he said that Abraham saw him, saw what God promised to be fulfilled in the future, not Jesus was declaring that he was so old that he himself saw Abraham.
Gensis 18: 1 AND THE LORD APPEARED TO HIM
in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him three men standing near to him:
and as soon as he saw them,
he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and
adored down to the ground.
Jodi are you ready to reject that
THE LORD JESUS in the above scripture
VISITED ABRAHAM, and as Jesus declared
ABRAHAM WAS GLAD TO SEE JESUS, AND HE RAN TO MEET HIM AND ADORED HIM?
YOU: Abraham saw the death of Jesus and his resurrection, and Abraham had faith that he too would be resurrected. Jesus is the first, he is raised BEFORE Abraham, God’s promise fulfilled, Jesus being ginomai- completed, by receiving his reward of eternal life.
LIES , LIES, and LIES:
1096 (ginomai) means
“to become, and signifies a change of condition, state or place”
(Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109).
M. Vincent, “1096 (gínomai) means
to come into being/manifestation implying motion, movement, or growth”
(at 2 Pet 1:4).
Thus it is used for God’s actions as emerging from eternity and becoming (showing themselves) in time (physical space).
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL JODI:
Jesus declared and said:
Before Abraham was, I AM. KJV.
Before Abraham was MADE, I AM. DRB version.
Now read hereunder:
Genesis12: 1And the Lord said to Abram:
Go forth out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and out of thy father’s house, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
2And I will MAKE OF YOU(TRANSFORM YOU) a great nation, and
I will bless thee, and
magnify thy name, and
thou shalt be blessed.
3I will bless them that bless thee, and
curse them that curse thee, and
IN THEE shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Isaiah 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen,
the seed of Abraham my friend.
Tell me now Jodi what happened to Abraham?
Was not Abraham, before he was even created CHOSEN BY GOD, to be the CARRIER OF
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, HIS CREATOR IN HIS HEART, SIMPLY TO BE GOD’S UNIQUE FRIEND.
The fact that
ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH ARE BLESSED IN ABRAHAM?
The above scripture it is more than clear that God
COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED ABRAHAM AND MADE HIM
THE FIRST FATHER?
Now if Abraham was the FIRST FATHER, and in order for
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man,
MAINTAINS HIS PRIMACY WAS NOT “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be,
ETERNAL LIFE as A SPIRIT embodied in Abraham? thus,
WAS NOT JESUS REFERRING PARTICULARLY FOR THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT WHEN
HE “THE WORD” A SPIRIT
“THE BEGINNING” OF ALL BEGINNINGS WAS EVEN BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS CREATED PRECISELY IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB?
OR FOR YOU SINCE YOU ARE CARNALLY MINDED YOU CONSIDER THE BEGINNING OF A HUMAN BEING IS:
WHEN HE IS BORN? NOT WHEN HE IS CONCEIVED?
NOW IF GOD CHOSE ABRAHAM,
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD CHOSE HIM IN THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT, OUT OF THE BLUES
WHEN HE CALLED HIM TO LEAVE HIS FATHER’S LAND?
IS THAT HOW YOU CARNALLY SEE GOD’S SPIRITUAL THINGS?
Now let’s read DRB Version.
John8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you,
before Abraham was MADE,
I AM. (IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB)
Again another definition: KJV.
John8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you,
before Abraham was, ( CHOSEN from his mother’s womb, or TRANSFORMED BY GOD when he called him,)
I AM.
THE FIRST FATHER! IN THE TRUTH!
YOU: Jesus being ginomai- completed, by receiving his reward of eternal life.
Jodi, Jesus
NEVER RECEIVED ETERNAL LIFE!
Jesus “THE WORD” as a spirit was established by God precisely by His FIRST EVER WORD:
LET THERE BE LIGHT, by which LIGHT
GOD’S OWN SUBSTANCE (Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory and the figure of HIS SUBSTANCE …) the entire infinite existence was ILLUMINED with the endless spirits emanated from God, IN WHOM “THE WORD” Jesus to be, the Son of Man to be,
ETERNAL LIFE WAS ENGRAFTED ONE SUBSTANCE AND BECAME
THE VERY BEGINNING OF ALL!
(Colossians 1:12 12Giving thanks to God the Father, who hath made us worthy to be partakers of the lot of the saints in light:13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness and hath translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, (OF THE HOLY GHOST) 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins:15Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:
16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers. All things were created by him and in him. 17And he is before all: and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church:
WHO IS THE BEGINNING…
the firstborn from the dead, that in all things
HE MAY HOLD THE PRIMACY:
19Because in him, it hath well pleased the Father that
ALL FULNESS SHOULD DWELL.
YOU: Jesus was not raised because he pre-existed as a spirit son with glory, and was to go back to his glory for having come down to earth transformed into flesh to die for us. THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE.
LIES, LIES, AND LIES:
If Jesus didn’t pre-exist HE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
ETERNAL LIFE HIMSELF!
ETERNAL LIFE WAS ALWAYS IN/WITH THE FATHER and was ESTABLISHED in creatures through
“THE WORD” Jesus to be, the Son of Man to be as a sprit.
ON THE FIRST INSTANT OF CREATION!
the fact that it is CALLED ETERNAL IT SIMPLY
NEVER HAD A BEGINNING!
YOU: Jesus could not be held to the penalty of death BECAUSE as a human having been called to righteousness with God directing all his ways, he was without sin and thus was not worthy of the penalty of sin, so God raised him up.
NO Jodi read:
John10:17 Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
18No man taketh it away from me:
but I lay it down of myself.
And I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again.
This commandment have I received of my Father.
IN THE ABOVE JESUS IS CLEAR
THAT NO MEN ON EARTH COULD EVER KILL JESUS, AS SUCH!
EVEN WHEN HE WAS CRUCIFIED AND DIED ON THE CROSS!
SIMPLY BECAUSE ON HIS DEATH
HE GLORIFIED John13:31,32.
and became one substance with
THE HOLY GHOST, THE LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT and became
JESUS CHRIST
GODMAN the true God on earth
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come. And he hath given us understanding that we may know
the true God and may be in his true Son.
This is the true God and
life eternal.
The God who raised Jesus’ FLESH BODY,
THE GOD WHO ON HIS DEATH BECAME
THE SUPREME RULER OVER ALL CREATION, AND RULED EARTH.
GOD’S KINGDOM CAME and GOD’S WILL WAS ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN
AT LEAST and FOR SURE TILL PENTECOST.
FROM JESUS’DEATH TO PENTECOST SATAN WAS LOCKED IN HELL TILL
THE NEW ETERNAL COVENANT IS ESTABLISHED ON PENTECOST.
Well specifically mentioned and predicted by Jesus in
Luke 17:24 For as the lightning that lighteneth from under heaven shineth unto the parts that are under heaven, so shall the Son of man be in his day. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it came to pass in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat and drink, they married wives and were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it came to pass in the days of Lot. They did eat and drink, they bought and sold, they planted and built. 29And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man shall be revealed.
31In that hour, he that shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not go down to take them away: and he that shall be in the field, in like manner, let him not return back. 32Remember Lot’s wife. 33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose it shall preserve it.
34I say to you: In that night there shall be two men in one bed. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. 35Two women shall be grinding together. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. Two men shall be in the field. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left.
36They answering, say to him: Where, Lord? 37Who said to them: Wheresoever the body shall be, thither will the eagles also be gathered together.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
YOU: According to Jesus Abraham SAW JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE!
ME: Carmel, you can insert the understanding of men all you want and declare it is spiritual, but when it’s tested against the actually word of God and it doesn’t hold up, you are in serious trouble.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Wait, Isaac is NOT Abraham’s only son, but he is his only begotten son that was according to a direct promise from God.
Carmel, you can NEVER DESTROY the LORD’S word that He would make David’s son who would be of his sons, into His own Son.
Carmel, you can NEVER DESTROY the LORD’S word where FIRST you read that a human son exists, and THEN the LORD MAKES him INTO His own Son.
The ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of the LORD EXISTS ACCORDING to a PROMISE given to David, just like Abraham’s son Isaac exists according to a promise made by the LORD.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will GIVE YOU the sure mercies of David. 35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: 37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 2:0 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Carmel, you CHANGE who the eternal Son of God is, and why it is that he is a Son, which is according to a PROMISE, ACCORDING TO the receiving of the LORD’S Spirit.
When Jesus was raised from the dead receiving the mercies of David according to a promise of the LORD, the human Jesus is likewise said to have received the promise of the Holy Spirit. It is said that Jesus being raised up from the dead fulfills Psalms 2, where it IS the DAY where the LORD has begotten the fruit of David’s loins as His own Son.
Hmm, let’s see, Jesus being raised from the dead is said to have received the promised Holy Spirit and likewise in that DAY the LORD declares that He has begotten David’s son MAKING him into His own Son, where we read that the son of David who would be called the Son of God, receives David’s throne for an eternity.
Abraham rejoiced to SEE THIS DAY! He saw it and was glad.
The reason being, is because Jesus was made at that time into a firstborn Son of many brethren. He was raised from the dead FIRST, receiving the fruits of the LORD’S Spirit first, a man given the LORD’S Spirit where it would never be removed, the LORD’S mercy would not be taken away, just as was prophesied. Abraham knew that there would be other’s including himself and he was glad and rejoiced.
He knew that which Paul knew, which was that he would be raised from the dead and become a JOINT HEIR WITH CHRIST, being likewise as the first man raised from the dead who received the firstfruits of the LORD’S Spirit, he likewise thus would be as well an HEIR of the LORD.
Carmel, you don’t get it, the LORD, our Heavenly Father declared the END from the beginning, He did not create man in vein, but to be made in His image, which that equates to the resurrected Firstborn of many, a man where the LORD directs all his ways because the Holy Spirit is upon him for all eternity. This Spirit will not be removed, it is the mercy the LORD had PROMISED unto David concerning his son, just as prophecy says and Acts confirms. The LORD would not remove His mercy (goodness) upon the son of David. Jesus did declare that ONLY GOD is GOOD and he can do nothing of himself. Carmel, Isaiah 42 IS the LORD’S WORD it is His Gospel, and the one who He gives His glory unto is a human, the son of Jesse who He calls to righteousness.
LIES? What on earth are you taking about Carmel? There are no lies here, IS the book of ACTS, the WORD of the LORD LIES, to YOU? YOU seem to think that the prophets likewise spoke lies.
ALL fullness dwells in Jesus BECAUSE, “by him all that believe are justified from all things”
and that HIM IS, “30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had SWORN with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;”
ALL things were created by the LORD by reason of (THROUGH) and for the man Jesus, as he is the firstborn of many, and the LORD had made humans in His own image, not in VEIN, but to inhabit the earth for all eternity. Man can do nothing of himself, that is what Christ teaches us, you must have the LORD’S Spirit come to abode upon you and direct all your ways, by such you are made perfect. If we believe in the operation of the LORD unto the man Jesus, we too shall be made perfect.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
John 10:17 Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again.
ME: Carmel, scripture tells you multiple times that the Father raises Jesus from the dead, so your understanding is FALSE of this passage. The truth is that Jesus laid down his life so that all life could be taken up again. Jesus laid down his life for the sake of his brethren to bring them to life again.
10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Upon the RESURRECTION of, not the death of, Jesus received an incorruptible body of glory and honor. Upon HIS RESURRECTION he received the PROMISE of the HOLY SPIRIT, he RECEIVED the promise of the mercies the LORD promised to David. UPON HIS RESURRECTION he was MADE the firstborn human from the dead, prior to that he was sleeping the sleep of death with others who were dead. He ROSE BECOMING the the firstfruits of the LORD’S Spirit, a man with eternal life who has the LORD direct all his ways.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Wait, Isaac is NOT Abraham’s only son, but he is his only begotten son that was according to a direct promise from God.
that was according to a direct promise from God.
Jodi, what is the meaning FOR YOU of the above declaration?
It isn’t as clear as crystal that
Isaac was not Abraham’s begotten son as such, for God’s sake?
Isaac was specifically
GOD’S OWN PRODUCT SON,
simply given to Abraham, who was chosen by God from his mother’s womb to be
THE EMBODIMENT of “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man TO BE, and
purposely became THE FIRST FATHER of the generations of heaven! (MARY’S GENEALOGY)
Ishmael is in actual fact Abraham’s SPERM GENUINE son.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:…….
Now read hereunder regarding FAITH:
Romans 12:3 For I say, by the grace that is given me, to all that are among you, not to be more wise than it behoveth to be wise, but to be wise unto sobriety and according to
as God hath DIVIDED to every one
THE MEASURE OF FAITH!
1 Corinthians 12:9 To another,
FAITH in the same spirit: to another, the grace of healing in one Spirit:
IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES IT IS WELL CLEAR THAT FAITH IS GIVEN BY GOD ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.
THUS ABRAHAM WAS GIVEN FAITH DEFINITELY IN RELATION TO HIS TASK AS
THE FIRST FATHER OF GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE, IN ORDER, TO ESTABLISH THE PURE GENEALOGY OF JESUS’ MOTHER MARY,
THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN, AND THE BEGINNING OF THE PERPETUAL COVENANT IN ISAAC.
19And God said to Abraham: Sara thy wife shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name Isaac, and
I WILL
ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH HIM FOR
A PERPETUAL COVENANT, and with his seed after him.
Now read Genesis 15:4 And immediately the word of the Lord came to him, saying : He shall not be thy heir:
but
HE THAT SHALL COME OUT
of thy BOWELS, him shalt thou have for thy heir.
Got it Jodi?
NOT HE FROM YOUR BOWELS, BUT
HE THAT SHALL
COME OUT
OF YOUR BOWELS,
ONLY COMES OUT OF ABRAHAM’S BOWELS BUT NOT ACTUALLY
THE SUBSTANCE OF ABRAHAM’S BOWELS!
Ishmael also came out of Abraham’s BOWELS, BUT HE ISHMAEL
REALLY WAS
THE SUBSTANCE OF ABRAHAM’S BOWELS. SATAN’S !
THEREFORE OBVIOUS ONLY ISAAC WAS THE ACTUAL SON WHO WAS ACCORDING TO
GOD’S DIRECT PROMISE, IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE IN GOD’S OWN WORK.
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING!
IT IS SIMPLY USED TO RESPECT SATAN’S PROCEDURES THROUGH SIN, OF THE PHYSICAL SEXUAL PROCESS OF HIS CURSED EARTH.
THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONLY SAVED BY
GRACE, WHICH TOPPLES THE CURSE, THROUGH
FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST!
THUS “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be as a spirit, CONCEIVED ONLY ISAAC. in order to establish
GOD’S SPIRITUAL SEED IN ISAAC!
Genesis 15:18 That day God made a covenant with Abram, saying:
TO THY SEED(ISAAC) will I give this land, from the river to Egypt even to the great river Euphrates.
Genesis 17:15 God said also to Abraham: Sarai thy wife thou shalt not call Sarai, but Sara.
16 AND I WILL BLESS HER!
OK JODI FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IN GOD’S WORK.
GOD’S BLESSING
BY THE PRESENCE OF THE SPIRIT
“THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man to be, WHICH GIVES LIFE and
BLESSED SARA’S WOMB WITH HIS PRESENCE.
REFLECT:
MARY, JESUS’ MOTHER IS
MOST BLESSED! GOT IT?
SIMPLY AS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, WAS
MARY’S CREATOR IN HER HEART, HIS UNIQUE ETERNAL ABODE,
THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS! THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST WHO CONCEIVED Jesus
THE SON OF GOD, IN MARY’S PARTICULAR UNIQUE WOMB.
In the same way
SARA WAS IN ISAAC
The fact that her name became
SARA!
THUS DESPITE OLD AND BARREN, NOW READ HEREUNDER:
AND OF HER,
I WILL
GIVE THEE A SON
( NOT ABRAHAM WITH HIS SPERM, AND OF HIS WIFE AS SUCH)
OK Jodi, GOD GAVE ABRAHAM HIS SUPPOSED
BEGOTTEN SON.
IT IS THROUGHOUT A DIVINE SPIRITUAL PROCESS HIDDEN BURIED LIKE A TREASURE IN A FIELD.
NOTHING OF SATANIC EARTH LIKE ORDINARY HUMANS ARE, TOTALLY
A MORTAL SATANICALLY CONTAMINATED CARNAL PROCESS.
ARE YOU STILL BLIND Jodi?
ARE YOU STILL WITH YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY
THAT ABRAHAM SEED IS A REFERENCE TO HIS SPERM?
OR IN THE TRUTH IT WAS
GOD’S OWN SEED IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be
THE BEGINNING N of all, and the firstborn of
EVERY CREATURE.
ON HIS WAY TO BECOME MAN IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, BUT NOT THE SAME EARTHLY SATANIC SUBSTANCE OF HIS BRETHREN?
carry on reading:
HIM (ISAAC)
I WILL BLESS and
HE (ISAAC) SHALL BECOME NATIONS, AND KINGS OF PEOPLE SHALL SPRING FROM HIM.
HOW Jodi Isaac was blessed? Very simple,
HE WAS BLESSED WITH THE PRESENCE OF
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be , embodied in Isaac’s HEART. MARCHING ON TO BECOME MAN!
17Abraham fell upon his face, and LAUGHED , saying in his heart: Shall a son, thinkest thou, be born to him that is a hundred years old? and shall Sara that is ninety years old bring forth?
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IN GODS’ OWN WORK!
18And he said to God: O that Ishmael may live before thee. 19And God said to Abraham: Sara thy wife shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name Isaac, and
I WILL (IN “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be)
ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH HIM FOR A PERPETUAL COVENANT, AND WITH
HIS SEED(“THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man,) AFTER HIM.
WILL YOU GET INTO YOUR MIND THAT THE SEED REGARDING GOD’S PROCESS, IS ALWAYS A REFERENCE TO GOD’S SPIRIT,
“THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man to be, and NOT THE SPERM OF HUMANS AS SUCH.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……Abraham had other sons after ISSAC AND ISHMAEL, by a different women, as scriptures plainly show.
Gen 25:1-2 ….then Abraham took a wife and her name was Keturah, and she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.
Trying to present scriptures to show counter dictions to justify you false teaching only shows how much you really do not understand and how really confused you are Carmel.
We have presented clear and accurate scriptures to you over and over and over again, but you had rather believe your false asumptions which shows your confusions and delusions, rather then what actual scriptures say.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
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