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Hi Jodi,
YOU: Don’t forget that Jesus said, “but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed”.
John 6:26
Jesus answered them and said: Amen, amen, I say to you,
you seek me,
not because you have seen miracles, but because you did eat of the loaves and were filled.
(THEY ATE THE MIRACULOUS FOOD OF JESUS, AND THEY WERE
FILLED WITH HIS SPIRIT, the fact that they seeked him)
27Labour not for the meat(FOOD) which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting,
which the Son of man will give you.
( “THE WORD” is Jesus’flesh body, THE SON OF MAN, and as a SPIRIT it is also the SOURCE of the entire PHYSICAL CREATION John17:2, the fact that He redeemed all through His divine body, THE BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, preexisted)
For HIM hath God, the Father,
SEALED
(from the very beginning in LUCIFER, THE BEGINING, the lost sheep, for whom God PRECISELY through “THE WORD”, created the world precisely to justify
THE TRUTH,
WHO WAS THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH! SATAN OR JESUS? )
(Thus, Jesus as A SPIRIT “THE WORD” is SEALED in the entire process of the physical creation! GOD ALL KNOWING, IN ORDER TO FURNISH THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD WITH
ETERNAL LIFE on JESUS’ DEATH, for the sake of THE TRUTH!
THROUGH HIS SPIRIT, mentioned by Jesus above :
THE FOOD WHICH ENDURES UNTO ETERNAL LIFE.
28They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said to them:
This is the work of God,
that you believe in him whom he hath sent.
(IN THE ABOVE JESUS MADE IT CLEAR THAT ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SIMPLY
BELIEVE IN HIM. and ONCE THEY BELIEVE IN HIM, AUTOMATICALLY
THEY REJECT SATAN
WHO UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME AS A SPIRIT, WAS IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF CREATION THROUGH SIN, BY WHICH SPIRIT THE ENTIRE PROCESS WAS
CONTAMINATED AND CURSED!
Jesus prepared humanity by the above statement, for the simple reason that THROUGH HIS DEATH, HE ESTABLISHED
THE TRUTH
AND ERADICATED SATAN’S PRESENCE FROM CREATION THROUGH ADAM’S SIN, CONSEQUENTLY AUTOMATICALLY
JESUS, GOD ALL KNOWING,
slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world Rev.13:8 PREEXISTED,
AS A SPIRIT, WAS JUSTIFIED AS THE SOLE SPIRIT IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD AND MAINTAINED HIS GENUINE FUNCTION from the very BEGINNING in Lucifer, AS ETERNAL LIFE. A FUNCTION WHICH WAS IN A WAY CANCELLED OUT BY ADAM’S SIN, BY WHICH SIN SATAN OCCUPIED THE HUMAN SOUL.
The fact that Jesus as a spirit, WAS SLAIN…., The fact also that Jesus, THE PHYSICAL SOURCE, John 1:2, John 17:2 purchased the human HEART, THE LIFE OF THE BODY, on the cross, and furnished officially HUMANITY with a new spirit, THE HOLY GHOST from CONCEPTION, and OFFICIALLY ON EARTH through baptism, by which spirit humanity are totally in a battle against Satan’s spirit in the mind.Matthew 10:34, Ephesians 6:12
30They said therefore to him: What sign therefore dost thou shew that we may see and may believe thee? What dost thou work? 31Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God
is that which cometh down from heaven ( PREEXISTED) and giveth
life to the world. ( with HIS SPIRIT sealed in creation, all in Him)
the fact that they seeked Him.
34They said therefore unto him: Lord, give us always this bread.
35And Jesus said to them:
I am ( “THE WORD” PREEXISTED SPIRIT THE SOURCE OF THE PHYSICAL, John17:2 THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT) the bread of life. He that (DELIBERATELY, as much as Adam deliberately rejected God) cometh to me shall not hunger: (FOR THE SPIRITUAL FOOD) and he that believeth in me shall never thirst. ( OF MY SPIRIT) 36But I said unto you that you also have seen me, and you believe not. 37All that the Father giveth to me (CHOSEN SOULS) shall come to me: and him that cometh to me, I will not cast out. 38Because I came down from heaven,(PREEXISTED AS A SPIRIT EQUAL WITH THE FATHER, but for the sake of ETERNAL LIFE for the physical creation, HE EMPTIED HIS SPIRIT, BECAME POOR, AND WITH HIS SPIRIT
ENRICHED THE PHYSICAL CREATION
SEALED BY THE FATHER AS ETERNAL LIFE, hence)
not to do my own will
but the will of him that sent me.
39Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he hath given me,
(ALL SOULS IN THE PHYSICAL CREATION) I should lose nothing;
but should raise it up again on the last day.
( “THE WORD” JESUS’ THE SON OF MAN TO BE, AS A SPIRIT,
SEALED BY THE FATHER IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD,
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev,13:8
WAS RAISED AGAIN, ON HIS LAST DAY ON EARTH, ON HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS, and BY HIS SPIRIT,
RECREATED ALL ANEW IN HIS SPIRIT, AND GAVE LIFE TO THE WORLD! Well depicted in
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands
I commend my spirit. (IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as a spirit took hold of the entire physical creation, justified as its source, and it became JESUS EMBODIMENT!
ALL IN HIM RECREATED ANEW BY HIS SPIRIT. “THE WORD” and gave LIFE to the world, John 6:33 above)
And saying this, he gave up the ghost.
Well depicted in
Matthew 27:51 And behold the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top even to the bottom: and the earth quaked and the rocks were rent. 52And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,
40And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son and believeth in him may have life everlasting.
And I will raise him up on the last day.
(THE LAST DAY ON EARTH,
PRECISELY ON HIS DEATH)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
Now read this:
Isaiah 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children,
MYSELF BRING FORTH, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
According to your understanding OBVIOUS CARNALLY,
GOD HAD SEX?
ME:
Carmel, God makes us His children by putting His Spirit within us, and when we are fully led by that Spirit, walking in all His statues we are His offspring. There is NO sex involved. Your perception of my understanding is WAY OFF, it’s like you have not read much of anything that I have posted.
Isaiah 65:23 They shall not labor in vain, or bear children for calamity; for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, and their children with them. 24 Before they call I will answer, while they are yet speaking I will hear.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances. 28 You shall dwell in the land which I gave to your fathers; and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. ..16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Hi Carmel,
John 6:13 Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. 14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a TRUTH that prophet that should come into the world 15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God RAISE UP unto thee a Prophet FROM the midst of thee, OF thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put MY WORDS in his mouth; and “he shall SPEAK unto them all that I shall command him.
Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; “My Spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth.”
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to PREACH good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to PROCLAIM liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To PROCLAIM the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
John 6:63 It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I SPEAK unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life.
Carmel, God promised to one day RAISE UP a prophet like Moses from among brethren. God would put His Spirit upon him, setting him apart/an ANOINTING SENDING him out, where through that Spirit upon him God would put His words in his mouth. The WORDS that this prophet speaks are Spirit and they are life.
NOTHING ABOUT pre-existing here, it is ALL about one from the brethren being called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT, speak God’s word through God’s Spirit being upon him, and those words are Spirit and LIFE.
Scripture is CLEAR Carmel,
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The son of David that is to be born SHALL be GREAT and he SHALL be called the Son of the Highest because he is the son of PROPHECY, the son of David who God said He was going to rest His Spirit upon, call to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. He is the son of David who God promised He was going to MAKE into His own Son. On a certain DAY God would beget him. Those who are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was LED by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God’…14 to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah: 15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles 16 the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned. 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
Carmel, when the Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove and it is said that he left the Jordan having been FILLED with the Holy Spirit, he was then LED by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted. As a MAN just anointed with God’s Spirit, receiving the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might,Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, when he was tempted having hungered, God’s word was in him, words written by the prophet Moses were in him and he had Knowledge and fear of the LORD.
Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. 4 Thy raiment waxed not old upon thee, neither did thy foot swell, these forty years. 5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee. 6 Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
John said PRIOR in chapter 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered,Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
AND in verse 34 John says, For he whom God hath SENT speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John 1:31 I myself did not know him; but for this I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.” 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,..
..18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel HE HATH SENT ME to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, HEAR THESE WORDS; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 10:37 That WORD, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
CAN YOU CARMEL APPLY any of God’s word above to the rest of John 6? or do you turn to your OWN IMAGINATION??
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them,This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath SENT.
Carmel YOU ARE TOLD DIRECTLY WHEN Jesus was SENT, the Son of Man was sent upon the Spirit resting upon him, AFTER the baptism John preached. The ONE who God SENT is the ONE who speaks God’s WORDS, he speaks God’s words because he received God’s Spirit without measure. There is NO pre-existing son that was ever SENT. Jesus of Nazareth was sent AFTER the Spirit was upon him, an ANOINTING.
Acts 13:..a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them,Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Where does Jesus come from, the WORLD? Of course not, Jesus comes FROM GOD,
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
The BREAD came FROM GOD, by the determinate counsel and the foreknowledge of God did the BREAD COME. When something comes from God it is the same thing as coming from heaven.Why we see Matthew use both Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven interchangeably, as they mean the SAME THING.
LIFE comes from a man who God raised up from the seed of David to be our savior. This was the will of God, this is the will that can rightfully be said, to have came down from heaven.
Must I give Acts 13 again? 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
MUST I GIVE Matthew 4 AGAIN? Are you totally incapable of apply God’s word to God’s word Carmel?
Matthew 4: 14 to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah: 15 “Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles 16 the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.” 17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”
6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them,I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Let’s apply God’s word WITH God’s word AGAIN,
Isaiah 49: 5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. 6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. 10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
MUST I also QUOTE Isaiah to you Carmel?
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Jesus is the BREAD from heaven, he is the LIGHT of the world because he is a HUMAN who God called to righteousness, NOT BECAUSE he pre-existed and came down from heaven. Jesus came to us not from pre-existing but according to a PROMISE that involved the fruit of David’s loins, that involved God resting His Spirit, an ANOINTING, being CHRIO MADE into a CHRISTOS, and THEN he was SENT.
John 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
It’s not because he pre-existed it is because of what God was GIVING the man JESUS.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Carmel you are NOT LISTENING, you are NOT apply God’s word to God’s word AT ALL.
As said prior, you are told WHO GOD SENT, but you want to change that TRUTH and SPEAK a LIE. The Son of Man was SENT to save that which was lost, he is able to save that which was lost BECAUSE the Son of Man according to a promise was called to righteousness, where God held his hand and kept him for to be a LIGHT, to be the Bread of Life. Jesus CAME by the direct will and according to the foreknowledge of God, thus he came FROM HEAVEN.
John 6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said,I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith,I came down from heaven? 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
He that is OF God is he who speaks the words of God for God gave him the Spirit not by measure. He that is of God is he that was called to righteousness. He who is of God is he who God directs all his ways. He which is of God does God’s will and not his own will.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
If God is in you then you know Him and thus you see him. People seeing Jesus and believing in Jesus’s words, knowing that they were God’s words, knowing that his works were God’s works, they came to know God and thus they see God for who He is and what His will is.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Man must live on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
YOU don’t Carmel, you are FAR from it.
God’s word was that He was going to call a man to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. This became true in the flesh of Jesus. God’s word was He was going to rest His Spirit upon a man and that man would not only preach God’s word but he would FULFILL God’s word, he would fulfill all of God’s will. This became true in the flesh of Jesus. God’s word was that He was going to bruise and put to grief a man having him die on the cross for our sins. This word became true in the flesh of Jesus.
Man thinks he needs to eat bread in order to live, but he needs to live by God’s word. JESUS IS God’s WORD, Jesus speaks it and he fulfills it. God made Jesus our bread of life. We eat that bread we have life. We believe in the operation of God we have life.
Our unity of faith, is to believe that the Son of God is unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ (Christos) from having been Chrio, which Jesus was at the river Jordan, of which he was set apart/anointed TO deliver captives. He was anointed with the Spirit TO fulfill all of God will, OBEY God, which is exactly what he did going to the cross.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
There is NO pre-existing Jesus, there is God’s WORD fulfilled in the flesh of Jesus, the man God promised He would anoint and send out into the world, a Son of Man sent by God, which means the same thing has having come down from heaven, sent to save that which was lost. God’s WORD before the world was, God’s WORD from the beginning made true, eternal life.
Hi Careml,
YOU:
( “THE WORD” is Jesus’flesh body, THE SON OF MAN, and as a SPIRIT it is also the SOURCE of the entire PHYSICAL CREATION John17:2, the fact that He redeemed all through His divine body, THE BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, preexisted)
ME:
Here is the WORD and it is the LORD’s, it’s a promise of what would COME to be made TRUE in the future,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto themeek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, toproclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of theprison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim theacceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
HERE is THAT WORD OF the LORD MADE TRUE IN THE FLESH of JESUS,
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted*, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
( “THE WORD” is Jesus’flesh body, THE SON OF MAN, and as a SPIRIT it is also the SOURCE of the entire PHYSICAL CREATION John17:2, the fact that He redeemed all through His divine body, THE BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, preexisted)
ME:
Here is THE WORD of the LORD, that which God promised would occur in the future,
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. ……10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors
Here is that WORD OF THE LORD MADE TRUE in the FLESH of JESUS,
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
( “THE WORD” is Jesus’flesh body, THE SON OF MAN, and as a SPIRIT it is also the SOURCE of the entire PHYSICAL CREATION John17:2, the fact that He redeemed all through His divine body, THE BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, preexisted)
ME:
Here is THE WORD of the LORD that was to be made TRUE in the FUTURE,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images
HERE IS that WORD of the LORD made TRUE IN the FLESH of JESUS, we are even directly told that we are hearing the word was made true in the flesh!
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
MADE true, a MAN who God called to righteousness dwelt among the people. He was full of GRACE and TRUTH because the offspring of Jesse had God’s Spirit come to abode upon him.
Carmel Jesus wasn’t full of grace and truth because he pre-existed. The people didn’t behold the glory of Jesus because he pre-existed. They beheld his glory because he was the son of Jesse who God had said, speaking of a mortal man of Jesse’s seed, that He would not give His glory to any other to. This son of Jesse is begotten by God’s Spirit and as that Spirit abode upon him he was filled with grace and truth as God gave him the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, and Knowledge.
who hath declared this from ancient time
This doesn’t mean that the Word was Not with God in the beginning, nor does it mean that his origins are not ancient, and neither does it negate that he had glory with God before creation. We know that God created the cosmos through the son of God.
It’s amazing how the natural tendency is to deny Jesus as the son of God and firstborn of all creation by teaching that he is either God or just a man created 2000 or so years ago.
Why not just believe and teach the obvious, that Jesus is the son of God?
T8……And why not just believe what is written about Jesus, that all the prophets of God said about him? When Jesus was explaining himself to others what did he do, he used what the prophets said about him. But you act as if those prophesies arn’t there because they don’t agree with you and show you are completely wrong in you view of who Jesus really was and is.
Jesus spoke God’s words, because the spirit of the LORD was “upon” him, not because he “is” the “WORD” himself. As if he was a seperate being preexisting with God as the “Word” before his birth on this earth.
Jesus said that the big deception would be about who he is, saying “Many would come in his name and say I am, the Christ, and “decieve” many”. The Jesus you people are preaching is not the Jesus the prophets talked about. But then again that is what happens to people who ignore prophesy and develop their own ideas of who Jesus really was and is.
T8, what you know is what false Christanity has taught you, that is not the true Jesus of scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Jodi,
ME: Mysteriously Eve brought forth Abel, without an affair with Adam, and without a declaration from Eve in the same way she brought forth Cain.
YOU: WOW, this is CARNAL MIND at it’s best Carmal, talk about HUMAN imagination at work.
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife;
and she conceived,
and bare Cain,
and said,
I have gotten a man
from the LORD.
2 And she again bare his brother Abel
Jodi, I simply made you aware that WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE ABOVE, that what occurred in Cain’s birth, somehow it didn’t occur in
Abel’s birth. LET’S BE CLEAR:
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife;
and she conceived,
and bare Cain,
From the above scripture, we are asserted that
Adam knew Eve,
she conceived
bare CAIN (NOT CAIN AND ABEL)
and said,
I have gotten a man (A MAN, NOT TWO MEN)from the LORD.
( WAS NOT ABEL ALSO A MAN LIKE CAIN, FROM THE LORD?)
now in order to make sure whether I, LIKE YOU INSINUATED, that
I imagined things. I also asked you:
Now tell me,
DID EVE HAVE A SECOND AFFAIR WITH ADAM AND SHE BROUGHT FORTH ABEL? OR
WERE CAIN AND ABEL TWINS?
You Jodi, after your conclusions that I IMAGINED THINGS, WERE NOT READY TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS WHICH DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE DETERMINED WHETHER I WAS AS YOU SAID
IMAGINING THINGS!
Jodi are you in a position to commit yourself and conclude what actually did occur in Abel’s birth?
AFTER ALL, IT IS NOT A MYSTERY!
NEVERTHELESS: As it is there’s more to say which is associated with the imagination,
IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT WAY.
instead of the SUPPOSED truth. And that is that
ABEL ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUT OF THE BLUES, despite through what it looks a sexual birth,
CAME FORTH WITHOUT THE LEAST AWARENESS OF HIS MOTHER EVE!
CONSIDERING THAT FOR SURE WHEN SHE GAVE BIRTH TO CAIN, THE FACT THAT SHE REACTED SO, SHE EXPERIENCED
THE FIRST EVER HORRIBLE FILTHY AND MESSY BIRTH RELATED TO THE EVIL? THE FRUIT OF HER SIN!
THE FIRST CURSED THROUGH SEX, THE SON OF THE DEVIL, Mentioned in
1John3:12 Not as Cain, who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. ……
Now according to Satan, the serpent, once our parents ate of the fruit their eyes would open and they’ll be like gods knowing
GOOD and EVIL.
In relation to this first COMPLEX birth through sex, by the look of it,
Eve OPENED HER EYES, with this first rather belive it or not
MYSTERIOUS BIRTH, unless you commit your self and say otherwise,
and she was LIKE GOD and in the position to
know THE GOOD and THE EVIL!
Thus through Cain’s birth, she definitely
KNEW THE EVIL! poor Eve.
THE FIRSTBORN SON DEFINITELY THROUGH SEX! AFTER ALL THOSE DETAILS!
SHALL WE Jodi NOW reflect on
Isaiah 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children,
in this case Eve through God’s justice when Eve through sex brought forth
Cain the evil
MYSELF BRING FORTH, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others BE BARREN, saith the Lord thy God?
IN THIS CASE BY GOD’S MERCY WHEN THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST HE/EVE BROUGHT FORTH
ABEL, THE GOOD
“THE WORD” JESUS TO BE, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, EMBODIED IN ABEL:
THE FIRSTBORN SON OF GOD!
NOT THROUGH SEX!
As much AS THE FIRSTBORN SON OF THE DEVIL was brought forth in Cain as the evil.
THROUGH SEX!
Now read this scripture:
Genesis 4:25 Adam also knew his wife again:
and she brought forth a son,
and called his name Seth,
saying: God hath given me
ANOTHER SEED OF ABEL,
whom Cain slew.
can you tell me what kind of seed, SINCE IT WAS NOT ADAM’S
SETH WAS?
I TELL YOU, SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR: IT WAS
“THE WORD” THE FIRST SON OF GOD, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN TO BE, EMBODIED IN SETH!
DEFINITELY THROUGH SEX, AND DEFINITELY OF GOD,
THERE ARE NO MYSTERIES AS MUCH AS THERE ARE IN THE ABOVE BIRTH!
AFTER ALL GOD ‘S WORK IT IS! THE ONLY WAY SATAN WOULD CLOSE HIS MOUTH!
AS MUCH AS JESUS THROUGH WHAT IT SEEMS IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN, MADE OF THE SEED OF DAVID, WAS BORN
OF THE HOLY GHOST PRECISELY
BOTH CAIN AND ABEL!
BOTH GOOD AND EVIL!
BOTH HEAVENLY AND EARTHLY!
BOTH SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN!
That way for sure SATAN would never Kill again ABEL AT LEAST THIS TIME NOT AS HE FEELS FIT!
BUT AS ABEL/ JESUS FELT FIT,
Hear this Jodi:
DESPITE SATAN NEVER WANTED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO WHAT WAS HIS GENUINE WORK:
SUICIDE!
JESUS’ THIRST ON THE CROSS!
Pinpointed out by Jesus in
Luke 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, who was slain between the altar and the temple. Yea I say to you: It shall be required of this generation.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi t8,
YOU:
This doesn’t mean that the Word was Not with God in the beginning, nor does it mean that his origins are not ancient, and neither does it negate that he had glory with God before creation. We know that God created the cosmos through the son of God.
It’s amazing how the natural tendency is to deny Jesus as the son of God and firstborn of all creation by teaching that he is either God or just a man created 2000 or so years ago.
Why not just believe and teach the obvious, that Jesus is the son of God?
ME: I do believe that JESUS is the Son of God. ALL according to scripture.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
NOT according to pre-existing but according to prophecy,
t8, you have a HUGE problem, Paul’s direct word says God’s Son was made of (out of, from) the seed of David. You however speak against this and say God’s Son existed first and then was made into a human, when it is directly told to you that from/out of a human God made His Son.
You are told this is according to prophecy,
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
How perfect t8 does this passage fit with the angels words spoken to Mary! God’s word spoken to the prophets is true.
Jesus is a Son according to prophecy. Jesus is a Son according to the Spirit.
The Spirit descended upon Jesus and abode on him, and God declared at that moment, “This is my beloved Son”. This Son was then sent out into the world. As prophecy said God would raise him up to righteousness and direct all his ways and he would not fail. Jesus tells you t8 that he went to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness. You are told that those who are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
There is NOTHING about Jesus being a son because he pre-existed. Jesus was SENT upon the Spirit boding upon him, and the people beheld the glory of one filled with grace and truth.
You are told that Jesus left the Jordan being FILLED with the Holy Spirit and being LED by that Spirit. He went to be tested and he did not fail, he came out of the wilderness and beginning in Galilee the people beheld his glory as he went about fulfilling God’s word, preaching, performing signs and miracles, deliver captives, being a LIGHT to those who sat in darkness.
Of course he would be a LIGHT for God had promised He would call a man to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. The Spirit rested upon Jesus called an anointing, and the Anointed One was SENT out into the world to fulfill God’s WORD that had been spoken to the prophets, that had been with God before the world was.
To All,
God is RIGHTEOUS, God is LIGHT, God’s WORD is RIGHTEOUS, His WORD is LIGHT.
God’s WORD from the beginning was that He was going to call Jesse’s son TO RIGHTEOUSNESS, directing all his ways, for to be a LIGHT.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Now read hereunder and clarify please:
2 Corinthians 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that being rich
(HOW, IN WHAT WAY and WHEN EXACTLY JESUS WAS RICH?)
he became poor for your sakes:
(was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men, and in habit found as a man. )
that through his poverty
(HOW, IN WHAT WAY and WHEN EXACTLY JESUS BECAME POOR?)
you might be rich.
(HOW, IN WHAT WAY and WHEN EXACTLY WE MIGHT BY RICH?)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
2 Corinthians 8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also. 8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. 9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.</span>
Carmel, Jesus was RICH in RIGHTEOUSNESS, but he was made POOR like a SINNER, he was put to shame and stricken being NUMBERED WITH transgressors. He who knew no sin was made an offering for our sins, and by him we are healed, by faith in the operation of God, how God saved us through Jesus, we too are RICH in RIGHTEOUSNESS, for our faith is counted as our righteousness and we are promised to have God be all in us, as He is all in Jesus.
Philippians 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Carmel the CONTEXT of this passage, the people who Paul was speaking to are those that received measures of God’s Spirit being sent out not being of the world as Jesus was not of this world, but sent from God/heaven TO go out and PREACH the Gospel of God, give Prophecy, perform signs and miracles, Heal. Each person was appointed given a certain measure of the Spirit, as a group they could continue the work that Jesus was able to do all himself because he had received God’s Spirit without measure. Jesus did God’s work without vein glory, Jesus did God’s work for the sake of his brethren out of love. They all needed to be of one mind, like minded to Christ Jesus.
By Jesus having God’s Spirit and Power not by measure he was in the FORM of God. Recall how we are told that Jesus left the Jordan being filled with the Holy Spirit and was led into the wilderness. He was led into the wilderness to be tested. Jesus did not use the powers he received for himself, he was tempted being hungered after 40 days but he did not make stones into bread to feed his weak flesh. Instead he humbled himself being obedient to God, he quoted Deuteronomy saying “man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of God’s mouth”.
Deuteronomy 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
John 4:31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. 32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. 33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? 34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me TO preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me TO HEAL the brokenhearted, TO preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
There is NO sending of some anointed spirit son to be a man. There is Jesus of Nazareth who was born of God receiving God’s Spirit without measure at the river Jordan, he was led by the Spirit to be tested and humbled and then he was sent out by God, a man being sent directly from God/heaven to do God’s work, TO PREACH, HEAL, DELIVER CAPTIVES.
Jesus being made in the form of God having all the powers of God’s Spirit, was humbled, he was a servant, he obeyed all of God’s commands, he made himself of no reputation, he gave all the glory to God saying that he could do nothing himself. He had been called to righteousness and God would not let him fail. When Jesus was going up to the cross he was humbled again, like in the wilderness, through his obedience he was perfected. But as a perfect man rich in righteousness he found himself in the likeness of men, in the likeness of sinners as he was being numbered with transgressors. He was mocked, spit upon, bruised, put to grief with eyes on him as if he was a bad man.
Carmel, CONTEXT and TRUTH,
John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Caremel, Jesus said he went to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness, the Spirit descended upon him like a dove, he is said to be FILLED with the Holy Spirit, he is said to be able to speak God’s word because he received the Spirit not by measure.
NO other mortal human was begotten by God’s Spirit FILLED with grace and truth. As Isaiah 11 says the son of Jesse was to receive Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD. As Isaiah says in 61, the Spirit abode upon the son of Jesse, it was an ANOINTING and he was being SENT out TO do God’s work. As Isaiah 42 says, God called a man, from out of the people who God had made and gave them a spirit to walk therein, TO righteousness, giving him glory that God would not give to any other.
God’s WORD is that He will be ALL IN ALL, God was ALL IN the son of Jesse, and it brought him to perfection, it made him a NEW Man, a new kind of man, a Second Adam (HUMAN), one who has total faith in God, one who God tested and who did not fail at following all of God’s ways, one who was raised in a body of power, glory, incorruptible. One who was raised according to the flesh to sit on David’s throne for all eternity. One who was raised a firstborn of many.
There is ONE Spirit, the Spirit of our Heavenly Father and He can SHARE that Spirit, He can teach man making man into His own image of righteousness and life. God declared the END from the beginning, God declared HUMANS existing in His image. God promised eternal life before the world was. God did not make earth and HUMANS in vein He says, He says He made it to be inhabited. God is not the God of the dead but of the living. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but they are sleeping the sleep of death, because by Jesus they are no longer eternally dead, they are dead but considered as asleep because they are promised to wake, and BEFORE them IS JESUS, the firstborn of many. All things consist by the man who was perfected, proving the operation of God, without him there is nothing, there is death eternal. Without HIM God would not have made the world, God’s word would not have been a promise of eternal life before the world was. God’s word would not have said that He made man in His own image. Jesus of Nazareth was anointed, set apart with God’s Spirit and God went about TEACHING Jesus, and Jesus LEARNED obedience.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Philippians 2 is RICH in truth, those sent out not being of the world as Jesus was not of the world needed to be like minded with Christ Jesus, not seeking vein glory, doing all things for love of the brethren. They were going to face persecution for declaring the Gospel of God in the name of Jesus and Jesus said,
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
The operation of God, His work in the man Jesus is what our faith is to be in, and our hope is to be a Second Adam, a human with eternal life living righteously upon the earth.
To ALL,
God made man in His own image. God made earth and mankind not in vein but to be inhabited. God made all things through and for the Second Adam, it is the Second Adam who is the image of the invisible God. Without God’s will to bring forth a New Earth and a New Man, God would not have made anything at all. God made all things by His determinant purpose and His foreknowledge of the man that died for our sins and who God raised up as firstborn over all the creation.
The SON OF MAN ASKED God for glory, the glory that was OF God for man before the world was. Man dwelling in God’s image. Man having eternal life. We READ the glory that Jesus received, the promised Holy Spirit given eternally, the mercies promised to David, which was David’s son being made firstborn of many brethren,made a king of kings, and a lord of lords.
God has made it very clear that He KNEW us all before the world even was. He knew who He was going to call to righteousness for to be a LIGHT, He knew who He would call to be made into the image of His Son as the firstborn of the many. God KNEW before the world was WHO He was going to give dominion over the works of His hands to. When God ALONE by HIMSELF made heaven and earth, HE KNEW JESUS OF NAZARETH, He was well pleased in him, for He KNEW exactly that Jesus was going to finish God’s work through His Spirit boding upon him.
Carmel, Jesus was RICH in RIGHTEOUSNESS,
WHERE IN SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT JESUS WAS RICH IN RIGHTEOUSNESS?
JESUS WAS RICH IN HIS DIVINE SPIRIT, and through the process of creation from the beginning, HE EMPTIED HIMSELF AND ENGRAFTED AN INFINITESIMAL SPIRIT IN ALL CREATURES AS ETERNAL LIFE, BY WHICH DEED
HE ENRICHED HUMANITY and HE HIMSELF
BECAME POOR
simply to become MAN IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN and it would be possible for God the Father to abide in
HIS OWN SUBSTANCE! Hebrews 1:3
JESUS’ DIVINE FLESH! THE ONLY FLESH WORTHY TO BE SACRIFICED AS A RANSOM FOR THE FATHER’S SAKE SO GOD WOULD BE OUR SAVIOUR!
GOD THE FATHER BECAME OUR SAVIOUR THROUGH JESUS and
JESUS BECAME OUR SAVIOUR THROUGH THE FLESH FURNISHED BY THE FATHER!
John17;10 ALL MY THINGS ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE AND I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM!
I REPEAT:
JESUS ENRICHED US WITH HIS SPIRIT, due to the fact that
HE EMPTIED HIMSELF OF HIS DIVINE SPIRIT!
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord),
I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy: and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons,
God hath sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father.
MATTHEW 3:14 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14But John forbad him, saying,
I have to need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
IN THE ABOVE JOHN CONFIRMED THAT JESUS,
EVEN BEFORE HE WAS BAPTISED, WAS SUPERIOR TO JOHN. Say something Jodi!
John1:30 This is he of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is
preferred before me:
BECAUSE he was before me.
31And I knew him not: but that he may be made manifest in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 33And I knew him not:
but he(GOD THE FATHER) who sent me to baptize with water said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
IF JOHN WAS SENT BY THE FATHER, A PREEXISTED SPIRIT BEING EMBODIED IN JOHN, IN FACT, THERE ‘S ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS GOD’S DIRECT ANGEL MICHAEL, AND JESUS WAS BEFORE JOHN, HOW ON EARTH YOU SIMPLY KEEP ON DENYING THE PREEXSITENCE OF JESUS AS
“THE WORD” OF GOD MADE FLESH.
THE BEGINNING OF ALL BEGINNINGS, and
THE FIRST OF ALL THE FIRSTS, OF WHICH FIRSTS
HE WAS EMBODIED IN DAVID,
AS THE FIRST KING OVER ALL ISRAEL.
John recognized Jesus that He is the one who baptizes with the Holy Ghost, the fact that he said to Jesus :
I NEED TO BE BAPTIZED BY YOU! I REPEAT BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED!
Thus Jesus according to John
UNOFFICIALLY WAS ALREADY ANOINTED, had the Holy Ghost already since IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME he asked
JESUS TO BAPTIZE HIM.
it needed only to be
officially proclaimed in Israel where
HE WAS KING in David!
we too are RICH in RIGHTEOUSNESS, for our faith is counted as our righteousness and we are promised to have God be all in us, as He is all in Jesus.
NO JODI:
NOT GOD IN US! But
JESUS IN US, and through Jesus
GOD IS IN US!
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me:
that they may be made perfect in one: and the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me.
peace and love in Jesus Christ
Good Morning Carmel,
God ANOINTED David with His Spirit and through that anointing David spoke to us the WORD of God which included giving us truth of what would occur in the future according to God’s will.
2 Samuel 7:12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come forth from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me.
Psalm 2:6 “I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill.” 7 I will tell of the decree of the Lord: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have begotten you. 8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession.
Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Hebrews 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds.
through DIA meaning BY REASON OF, ON ACCOUNT OF, BECAUSE OF FOR THIS REASON.
The one MADE to have dominion over the works of God’s hands was a HUMAN who God was mindful of and visited, he is a son of David. By REASON OF THIS MAN God created the world.
Carmel, DON’T CHANGE WHO the “he” is when you read passages, the “he” IS the HUMAN promised to come according to God’s WORD. You want to leave OUT God’s word, you want to change WHO the passage is speaking of, not good.
Hebrews 1:3 He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of God’s very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word.When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Carmel, Isaiah 42 tells you that God made the world and He called a HUMAN to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. God is righteous and God is light. God said He would not give HIS GLORY to any other. So WHY DON’T you APPLY this WORD of GOD when you read Hebrew 1:3??
WAS GOD SPEAKING IN VEIN to Isaiah?
The man who God called to righteousness to be a LIGHT where God would not give His glory to any other is the “he” in Hebrews 1:3. If you can’t see that you are truly blind.
John 3 tells us that Jesus is able to speak the word of God because God gave him His Spirit not by measure. The words that Jesus spoke, that were not his own, were of truth and life. The word is to believe in the operation of God. What do we read concerning the operation of God? God rested His Spirit upon a man without measure giving him Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, God called a man to righteousness. The operation of God that we are to have FAITH in is that God elected a man from out of the people and DIRECTED ALL HIS WAYS. One of the first things that Jesus said to the people was he quoted Isaiah 61, which was ALL ABOUT the OPERATION OF God, how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth, the son of David, TO finish God’s work, TO preach the Gospel, Heal, deliver captives, to be a LIGHT to those sitting in darkness.
Hebrews 1:4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Carmel this is of God’s WORD given to David concerning David’s son. God’s Son was made out of, from the seed of David by God begetting David’s son with His Spirit on a certain day not by measure.
THERE IS NOTHING in Hebrew 1 that tells us of a pre-existing son.
The truth is clearly seen through being mindful of God’s word. Time and time again on this forum God’s word of prophecy is not applied.
You people can’t make SIMPLE CONNECTIONS, you refuse to apply God’s word to God’s word, and you make up your own understanding.
You are told directly by Jesus that he preaches the word of God because God rested His Spirit upon him, an ANOINTING and through that Spirit God SENT him out to PREACH.
We are told that God spoke in times past through the prophets, then He spoke to us through His Son. There was Son speaking God’s word until JESUS existed, there was no pre-existing spirit son speaking God’s word.
JESUS of Nazareth born of the seed of David SPEAKS God’s word because he received the Spirit not by measure, he is the only mortal to have received this glory. According to Paul’s words from God, the seed of David is God’s Son ACCORDING to the Spirit, and if Jesus is the ONLY mortal to have received the Spirit not by measure that makes him the only begotten Son. When the Spirit descends upon Jesus God declares “This is my beloved Son”, and we are told directly that this is WHEN Jesus was SENT out into the world. There is no pre-existing spirit son being sent by God down to earth becoming a man.
The TRUTH could’t be more clear!
God’s WORD,
Jesus, the son of David, is God’s Son according to the Spirit. God had promised David that He was going to beget his son and MAKE him into His own Son on a certain day.
The Spirit descends upon Jesus and abodes on him where we are told he received it not by measure, and it is at that moment that God declares, “THIS is my beloved Son”. He is NOT a Son because he pre-existed as a spirit, He is declared a Son by God because he just received the Spirit not by measure, he was just called to righteousness for to be a light, he was just raised up in righteousness where God would direct all his ways. The VERY REASON WHY Jesus SAID he had to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness. This was ALL God’s word spoken to the prophets made TRUE IN THE FLESH OF JESUS, and the people beheld the glory of THIS Son, they didn’t behold the glory of him because they believed he was a spirit son who turned into flesh, they beheld his glory because of the Spirit of the LORD that was boding upon him that was giving him the power to speak God’s word, to heal, perform signs and miracles.
The adversary in the wilderness didn’t call Jesus the Son of God because he pre-existed, he called Jesus the Son of God BECAUSE of the powers that he had been anointed with at the river Jordan, and he was tempting Jesus to use those powers for his own will.
The people didn’t call Jesus the Son of God because he pre-existed, they called him the Son of God because of the powers that he had. Likewise they called him their king, which was according to prophecy according to David’s son who God said He would be a Father to him and give him an eternal throne.
SERIOUSLY it truly could not be made more clear.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
John17;10 ALL MY THINGS ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE AND I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM!
I REPEAT:
JESUS ENRICHED US WITH HIS SPIRIT, due to the fact that
HE EMPTIED HIMSELF OF HIS DIVINE SPIRIT!
ME:
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Carmel, here is the PERFECT example as to how you COMPLETELY IGNORE GOD’S word and go off into a realm of your own imagination.
Jesus is the Son of Man that God was mindful of that God visited, resting His Spirit upon him not by measure. He is the HUMAN God called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. God directed all of Jesus’s ways, he was made perfect through his obedience going to the cross. Those that are LED by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. Jesus could only be God’s Son by having God direct all his ways, without God directing all the ways of the Son of Man God was mindful of Jesus would be NOTHING. God and Jesus are one because Jesus follows the will of God. Man is to walk after the Spirit. Jesus is a Son according to the Spirit, Jesus walked after the Spirit, he was ONE with God through that Spirit teaching Jesus and Jesus following in all things he was taught. Once again, we are told that we are to have faith in the operation of God. God through His Spirit made a HUMAN perfect and because there was no sin found in him he as a mortal man was not worthy of death. Because Jesus is one with God following all of God’s ways he was deserving of eternal life.
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Carmel, we are all ONE with God when we do the will of God. The purpose of Christ Jesus was to bring us into FAITH of the operation of God, which Jesus is the example of. How God through His Spirit made a PERFECT MAN, a NEW MAN, a Second Adam (HUMAN), and we are to believe that he is a firstborn of many.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
God declared His WORD of the END from the beginning. IN that WORD was the Christ who would shed his blood. A human was foreordained before the foundation of the world, God made all things by REASON OF him. God chose him for the purpose of bringing our FAITH into God. God wants us to follow him in all ways. He wants HUMANS to inhabit the earth for eternity following His ways. God proved to humans that we cannot follow the law through ourselves, we need God’s Spirit to teach us all things. God’s Spirit when He calls us to Him, it is a more powerful influence, as Jesus proves to us, than even weak mortal flesh. Jesus was able to condemn sin in his weak mortal flesh, for having God’s Spirit in him, directing all his ways. Jesus was CALLED to righteousness, and it led him to God’s kingdom as a firstborn of many.
Jesus tells us, Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Hi Carmel,
John was not God, he did not know everything.
Jesus had to tell John that John needed to baptize him in order to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jesus was the man of prophecy, John knew that but John did not know that by the baptism of Jesus God’s word spoken to the prophets would be made TRUE in the FLESH of Jesus.
John is a witness to the Spirit descending upon Jesus like a dove and coming to abode upon him, John is a witness to hearing God declare that THIS was God’s beloved Son. John was a witness to Isaiah 11, 42, and 61 being made true. He was a witness to a man receiving God’s Spirit without measure, given Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD. He was a witness to a man receiving God’s Spirit who would be sent out to judge not by his own eyes and ears but through God’s calling of righteousness where God would direct all his ways, and Jesus would judge righteously through God.
Hi Carmel,
WHY don’t you read all of Acts 2,
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
NOW recall God spoke to the prophets and later He spoke to us through His Son.
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: 19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
This is the SAME GOD that said He would rest His Spirit upon a man who would then preach of God’s kingdom, who would give prophecy also through the same Spirit that the sons and daughters Joel is speaking of would receive.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: 21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. 22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Carmel, WHO Jesus is, IS according to prophecy. David was anointed by God’s Spirit and that Spirit taught David of the future. David saw his own flesh being anointed without measure, being called to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. David saw that his son would be perfected through obedience and be a sacrifice paying for our sins. David saw his sins being wiped clean and knew that his death would not be an eternal one. Moreover he saw his son receive firstborn inheritance, he saw his son being made a king of kings and a lord of lords.
The Spirit in Jesus was God’s Spirit. That Spirit was a witness to Jesus’s spirit that he was a Son of God. The Spirit of God taught the human spirit of Jesus and Jesus’s spirit followed all the ways of God.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
God gave man a spirit to walk therein, we walk according to our own devices, our own ways, we walk according to the imagination of our own hearts. God’s mercy on humans is that He shares with us of His Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, it is a Tree of Life to us, as it directs our spirit in the way we should walk. Without this mercy we would be as natural brute beasts, continually follow only our own desires aroused by our flesh. Look at the world, you can identify where God’s mercy is and where it is not. All would be exceedingly wicked everywhere all the time in the world without God’s mercy.
The same Spirit that was in Jesus needs to be in us, that Spirit is God’s Spirit. God’s word teaches us of Jesus’s spirit, how through God’s Spirit in his spirit he was able to walk in God’s ways. When he was tested being obedient to the cross his spirit was following God’s will. This is exactly what God wants for all humans, for our human spirit to learn of God and from God so we will walk in all His ways. When we are walking in all his ways we do not sin, and therefore we are not deserving of death.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Spirit in Christ is God’s Spirit. That Spirit is a witness to our spirit that we are children of God. Jesus is a Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit. We are to be made in the image of God’s Son, who IS the firstborn of the dead.
There is NOTHING in God’s word that tells us Jesus pre-existed as a spirit who made heaven and earth for himself, who then gave prophecy to humans, who then became a human himself and then received God’s Spirit so he could then preach of the coming kingdom giving prophecy. Who then turned back into a spirit and then that spirit is placed upon men.
God gave His Spirit so people could speak God’s word of a coming man who would be anointed, who would be a savior, who would be given eternal life and an eternal throne, be made a king of king and a lord of lords. God then fulfilled prophecy giving a man of His Spirit who was sent out to fulfill God’s word spoken to the prophets. God then gave man of His Spirit to proclaim that His words given to the prophets was made true in the flesh of Jesus.
I will say it again, our unity of faith is to believe in the operation of God, to believe that the Son of God is a perfect man, according to the measure and fullness of an anointing of God’s Spirit. Our faith is to believe that we are heirs of God, joint heirs with the Anointed One. Our faith is to believe that Jesus is a Second Adam (HUMAN) and that we will also become a New Man. For we shall see him as he is for we shall be as he is, for the Son of God IS the firstborn of many.
What you are trying to tell me Carmel is just pure vanity, total emptiness. Like Gene says you and others just want to separate, which God and His Gospel do no such thing.
God DID make man in His own Image, and when He said that, He knew full well WHO He was speaking of, the Second Adam. God had glory planned for man before the world began. Jesus knew, Jesus knew he was going to receive the mercies promised to David, that he was going to be raised up according to the flesh, that his flesh was not going to see decay. Jesus knew the END that God had declared from the beginning, Jesus knew that God brought him forth according to God’s determinate purpose and foreknowledge. Jesus knew that God knew He was going to elect a man from out of the people to fulfill all of God’s will and that God from the beginning was well pleased in him. If He wasn’t pleased in him, God would not have made the world by reason of him and for him.
God made the world by reason of and for the Second Adam (HUMAN).
It is obvious that Jesus was no ordinary man, but a man nevertheless. While his appearance was ordinary, he obviously had the extraordinary being the firstborn of all creation and being the one who God created all things through, but chose to empty himself. To see that you need eyes to see and ears to hear.
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