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To ALL,
THE NAME of Jesus is ACCORDING to prophecy, “Jehovah is salvation”.
As the prophet David tells us a Son of Man, the fruit of David’s own loins would come and God would raise him up to be our savior. As the prophet Isaiah said God would rest his Spirit upon him an anointing and send him out into the world. God would call him to righteousness and direct all the ways of this man so he would be a LIGHT to all people. That savior OF prophecy, that anointed one OF prophecy, a son of Abraham, Jesse, and David, was born in the city of David. As the angel declared according to prophecy, he would be great, he would be called the Son of the Highest and God would give him the throne of his father David and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever.
The NAME of Jesus has nothing to do with pre-existence. His name is according to what God swore with an oath before the world was.
To ALL,
THIS NEEDS to be ADDRESSED by those who teach pre-existence.
Paul says in Romans 1 that God’s Son, Jesus Christ was MADE OF (out of, FROM) the SEED of David. NOT that the Son of Man, the seed of David was MADE OF a pre-existing anointed spirit son.
Moreover Paul says that this son of David is God’s Son ACCORDING to God’s Spirit, NOT according to pre-existing.
God told David that He was going to make David’s son into His own Son. God doesn’t make a man into a Son of God by having him pre-exist as a Son of God. God makes a man into a Son by calling him to righteousness, by leading him with His Spirit, holding his hand and keeping him, holding him in His bosom directing all his ways so that he cannot fail. God makes a man into His own Son ACCORDING to His SPIRIT, by begetting him of His Spirit without measure. By this Spirit without measure and full of the power of God Jesus is SET APART/CONSECRATED/ANOINTED /DEDICATED TO DECLARE GOD, DECLARE the coming Kingdom of God, heal, and deliver captives, bring forth LIGHT to those in darkness.
Hi Jodi,
OOPS, READ AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH:
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father:but he ( JESUS) who is of God, (preexisted, THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE, PART OF GOD, THE SON.)
he(Jesus) hath seen the Father.
Jodi in your long post you never MENTIONED
John 6:46 ABOVE!
YOU: Seriously Carmel you and others cannot connect simple dots that are given in God’s word. You and others have serious blindness.
ME: SERIOUSLY JODI, YOU AND GENE CANNOT CONNECT SIMPLE DOTS THAT ARE GIVEN IN GOD’S WORD.
YOU AND GENE HAVE SERIOUS BLINDNESS.
IT IS EMPHATICALLY DECLARED BY JESUS THAT
HE, JESUS SAW HIS FATHER!
Now read again
John1:18 No man hath seen God at any time;
the only begotten Son, ( SAW GOD, PREEXISTED IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER)
, who is ( PRESENT tense Jodi, while Jesus was on earth, He was also in heaven)
in the bosom of the Father,( as much as the Father was in Jesus on earth and was also in heaven: I am in the Father and the Father in me! eternally that state!)he ( GOD THE FATHER) hath declared (JESUS, HIS SON) him.
YOU: CARMEL, I will TELL YOU AGAIN,
Jesus is ABLE to DECLARE God and bring people to know Him and see Him
Jodi, I repeat what I posted:
Jesus didn’t declare His Father,
THE FATHER DECLARED JESUS AS HIS SON, AT THE JORDAN, and ON MOUNT TABOR.
JESUS REVEALED HIS FATHER
IN HIMSELF AS MAN! Consequently
Jesus was unique, THE FATHER’S SUBSTANCE, despite made of the seed( NOT OF THE SPERM) of David, SPIRITUAL SEED!
Genesis 3:15 I (hidden in”THE WORD”) will put enmities between…thy seed and her seed:
For Jesus AS A SPIRIT “THE WORD”, in David’s HEART, to become THE FIRST king over all
ISRAEL.(LUCIFER THE LOST SHEEP) The fact that He was baptized and manifested in Israel.
Now, ONLY HE, “THE WORD” OF GOD ITSELF MADE FLESH, JESUS WAS IN THE POSITION TO REVEAL, AND
PERSONIFY THE FATHER ON EARTH AS MAN.
JESUS’FLESH BODY WAS FURNISHED BY GOD THE FATHER.
IT WAS GIVEN TO A DIVINE SPIRIT “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, SIMPLY TO RETURN IT TO GOD BY OFFERING IT AS A SACRIFICE FOR THE REDEMPTION OF HUMANITY, BY WHICH SACRIFICE
GOD THE FATHER BECAME OUR SAVIOUR.
BY HIS OWN SUBSTANCE!
NOW READ THE TRUTH!
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of
his (FATHER’S) glory and the figure of
his (FATHER’S) SUBSTANCE and upholding all things by the word of
his (FATHER’S) power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high:
READ AND DON’T REMAIN BLIND!
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore, when he cometh into the world he saith: Sacrifice and oblation thou wouldest not: but
A BODY YOU HAVE FITTED TO ME.
6Holocausts for sin did not please thee.
7Then said I: Behold I come: in the head of the book it is written of me: that
I SHOULD DO YOUR WILL, O God.
As clear as crystal, JESUS PREEXISTED AS A SPIRIT and RECEIVED a FLESH BODY DIRECTLY from the Father’s POWER, IN THE HOLY GHOST, NOT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SATANIC EARTH THROUGH ADAM SIN, LIKE ALL HUMANS ARE IN THEIR FELSH.
AND ONLY TO DO GOD’S WILL, HENCE
OFFER IT AS A SACRIFICE. For the sake of THE FATHER to be our savior HIMSELF as much as JESUS IS,
by the Father’s true substance. The fact that Jesus is THE TRUTH.
Now as much as THROUGH JESUS the Father BECAME
the only true God, through the Father, Jesus is
THE TRUE GOD ON EARTH. HE DIED not the Father and Eradicated Satan’s LIES, as the god of the world.
well declared by Jesus IN
John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine: and I am glorified in them.
More truth
John8:42…… For from God
I proceeded and came. ( Preexisted!)
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word (MY SPIRIT) be, which shall go forth from my mouth:
it shall not RETURN TO ME VOID,
( BUT CLOTHED AND GLORIFIED EMBODIED IN THE FLESH BOTH DIVINE AND AUTHENTIC HUMAN EX SATANIC, ADAM: GOD OF ALL FLESH)
but it shall DO whatsoever I PLEASE, and shall PROSPER in the things for which I SENT IT.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
You are right I left out verse 46 after I gave the prior verses,
so here is my post with verse 46 included,
Hi Carmel,
CONTEXT,
Numbers 11:10 Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families, every man in the door of his tent: and the anger of the LORD was kindled greatly; Moses also was displeased. 11 And Moses said unto the LORD, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me? 12 Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom, as a nursing father beareth the sucking child, unto the land which thou swarest unto their fathers?
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath DECLARED him.
HOW is JESUS in the bosom of the Father?
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I SPEAK these things.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her,Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Jesus is the Son of God, in the bosom of God, because he is being taught by God as a Father hold’s the hand of His child and teaches him, directs all his ways, for God is all in him.
When Jesus returns and puts all things under him, God will be all in all. God will be directing all the ways of every man through His Spirit, no longer just Jesus, we will all be fully taught by God. Such is why YHWH is the Father of Jesus and is said to be our Father.
The son of David is a Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Carmel, to read John 6:46 again,
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
save — Ei me, means EXCEPT, but
JESUS IS THE ONLY MAN who has seen the Father, this is not SEEN as in be in His literal presence from pre-existing, this is BECAUSE GOD was IN the MAN JESUS.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
NOW they know God they have SEEN God, BECAUSE the man Jesus declared him, because that which Jesus spoke and did were not of himself but were of God for God was IN the MAN JESUS.
Carmel……For the kingdom of God comes not with observation, “it is within you”. GOD WAS “IN” JESUS, if you understood that you could understand this.
Tell us, Who do you think it was that was actually speaking in this statement Jesus made, “destory “this” temple , and in three days “I” shall raise it up”. Do you know who was the “Ì” speaking there , that was not comming from the man Jesus, but from God the Father who was “in” him. Jesus and God the Father are one “in spirit”, how?, through the spirit of God, but not in being. There is only one true God, according to Jesus and it was not him.
Jesus is a man who has the spirit of God “in” him, all those who have God the Fathers spirit in them are also “in” God and in Jesus, by that same spirit. But saying all that, GOD the Father is still “the “only ” true God”, just as Jesus said he is.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Jodi,
YOU: JESUS IS THE ONLY MAN who has seen the Father, this is not SEEN as in be in His literal presence from pre-existing, this is BECAUSE GOD was IN the MAN JESUS.
No Jodi, again you simply keep on treating God as humans.
YOU ARE TOO CARNALLY MINDED ,
AND IT IS TOO DISASTROUS!
YOU WILL NEVER SEE GOD’S WORK OF REDEMPTION!
GOD A SPIRIT WAS IN THE MAN JESUS, and
JESUS A SPIRIT IS IN GOD
ETERNALLY
AND AS THE FATHER HAS A NAME; YAHWEH
THE SON ALSO HAS A NAME; JESUS, YAHSHUA….
ETERNALLY
John14:10 DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IN ME?
John 16:15 ALL THINGS MY FATHER HAS ARE MINE!
John17:10 AND ALL MY THINGS ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE : AND I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM.
ALL THE ABOVE ATTRIBUTES ASSOCIATED WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE ETERNAL
GOD IS ETERNAL!
ALL HIS DEEDS AND PROCESSES ARE THROUGHOUT ETERNALLY EXECUTED AND ACCOMPLISHED.
GOD ALREADY ACHIEVED HIS KINGDOM IT IS SIMPLY BEING PUT TO PRACTICE!
Jesus could never be the ABODE OF THE FATHER UNLESS HE WAS ALSO ETERNALLY WITH THE FATHER.
THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER!
NOW READ AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH!
FOR GOD’S SAKE!
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of
his (FATHER’S) glory and the figure of
his (FATHER’S) SUBSTANCE and upholding all things by the word of
his (FATHER’S) power, making purgation of sins, sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high:
It is vital for God that He accomplishes all His deeds and processes ESPECIALLY HIS INTERVENTION regarding the redemption, throughout divine! Otherwise, He would have been inferior to Satan’s process of MAN, WOMAN, SEX, SIN, and DEATH, which were ALL MORTAL through SIN.
The fact that
JESUS OVERCAME THE WORLD and ITS ENTIRE CORRUPTED PROCESS, ALL SATANIC. Well mentioned by Jesus in
John16:33These things I have spoken to you, that
IN ME ( A DIVINE BEING)
you may have peace. (TRANQUILITY)
In the world, you shall have distress.
But have confidence.
I ( DIVINE) HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD!(satanic)
Jesus declared this before He died, simply because He AS A SPIRIT, AS ETERNAL LIFE, was THE SOURCE IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD ENGRAFTED AS AN INFINITESIMAL SPIRIT IN ALL HEARTS!
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
FOR THE SAKE OF THE TRUTH!
The fact that Jesus opted to offer Himself to be the sacrifice, AFTER LUCIFER’S REBELLION, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, knowing that He is doing His task for the love of the Father and His kingdom, since the Father is a too powerful spirit and not in the position EVEN to live among man, never mind ABIDE IN AN ORDINARY SATANIC HUMAN FLESH BEING.
HE WOULD HAVE SIMPLY TURNED IT INTO ASHES.
Consequently, a divine spirit had to accomplish the process of redemption. A process that was related to the major process of creation in the very beginning, of which beginning “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be was the source, in order to be the FIRST OF ALL THE FIRST.
(JODI, ARE YOU IN THE POSITION TO MENTION SOME FIRSTS?) and also EMPTY HIMSELF GRADUALLY from His divine spirit, by leaving HIS SPIRIT behind engrafted as an infinitesimal SPECK, THE ETERNAL LIFE, in all creatures, precisely to be in the position to redeem all in HIMSELF, recreate all in Himself as children of God, and RECONCILE ALL IN HIMSELF FOR THE FATHER.
ALL CREATURES IN JESUS, and JESUS IN ALL CREATURES.
John 15:4 Abide in me: and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5I am the vine: you the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without Me you can do nothing.
THE UNIQUE SPIRIT/MEDIATOR FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel
YOU: John14:10 DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IN ME?
John 16:15 ALL THINGS MY FATHER HAS ARE MINE!
John17:10 AND ALL MY THINGS ARE YOURS AND YOURS ARE MINE : AND I AM GLORIFIED IN THEM.ME: Carmal, CARNAL MINDED MEANS that your imagination is defining scripture, that you’re using your own thoughts to understand passages.
I am doing NO such thing, I am DEFINING scripture according to our One True God, our Heavenly Father’s OWN WORDS. I understand scripture according to the OATHS that He SWORE, which is UNBREAKABLE TRUTH that He had given before the world was.
Our Heavenly Father PROMISED that He would take a HUMAN of the fruit of David’s loins and MAKE him INTO His own Son, that He would ordain him, set His seal upon him, consecrate him..
God was going “to anoint“ him – Hebrew “Mashach“ Greek “Chrio“, and when God anointed the son of David he BECAME “the anointed” – Hebrew “Mashiyach” Greek “Christos” and then God promised to SEND him out into the world TO fulfill all of God’s will. a Son of Man made into God’s Son ACCORDING to the Spirit having been begotten by God’s Spirit, having God ALL IN him. God SENT him out into the world, having declared him to be His Son upon the Spirit descending upon him like a dove, SENT to save that which was lost.
As God is ALL IN Jesus, God has promised us that He will be ALL in ALL. When the Son of Man comes again, we will see him as he is and we will be as he is, as God has promised us that he IS the firstborn of many brothers and sisters. We are joint heirs with him being heirs of God. One Spirit, the Spirit of the One True God ALL in each of us, making us all ONE according to God’s Spirit.
hI Jodi,
YOU: I understand scripture according to the OATHS that He SWORE, which is UNBREAKABLE TRUTH that
He had given before the world was.
Be specific and accurate please!
WHAT, HOW, AND WHEN
HE HAD GIVEN?
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
ONLY GOD WAS AND IS.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi,
YOU: Our Heavenly Father PROMISED that He would take a HUMAN of the fruit of David’s loins and MAKE him INTO His own Son, that He would ordain him, set His seal upon him, consecrate .
PRODUCE SCRIPTURES WHICH DECLARE THE ABOVE! PLEASE.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Carmel…..Jodi has produced those scriptures over and over, you people are simply not reading them. She and I both have , word for word quoted scriptures to you all. But what good is it if you don’t read them, and check them out in you own bibles. Carmel you have been indoctrinated into a false teaching about who Jesus really is. He is not a God, but became a Son of God, exactly the same way we must also, through the anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT (seed) , of the FATHER into us, making us his sons and daughters. Jesus was and is a flesh human being exactly like we are, who obtained sonship exactly as we must also, through the Spirit (seed) of the Living God Abiding in us.
Carmel your holding on to things you have heard and been taught in the past, now it’s time to honestly explore the truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
YOU: I understand scripture according to the OATHS that He SWORE, which is UNBREAKABLE TRUTH that
He had given before the world was.
Be specific and accurate please!
WHAT, HOW, AND WHEN
HE HAD GIVEN?
BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
ONLY GOD WAS AND IS.
ME: God, our Heavenly Father gave mankind promises BEFORE He even created them.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
Carmel, God’s prophecies, His WORD of what would occur in the future, He HAD PURPOSED BEFORE the WORLD WAS. God had ESTABLISHED/DECLARED the END from the beginning. Isaiah 11, 42, 53, 61, Pslams 2, 8, 89, were God’s WORDS from the beginning, PROMISES God made for mankind from the beginning, and they concerned a Son of Man.
A HUMAN would come who God would rest His Spirit upon him, an anointing, a calling to righteousness and God would send this man out to fulfill all His will. God raises up for us a savior from the fruit of David’s loins, God makes David’s son into His own Son according to God’s Spirit and sends him out into the world, having him learn obedience through suffering and MAKING him into our source for eternal salvation.
Acts 13:23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING to his PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not…
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Carmel, God DECLARED ALL this before the world was. When God created heaven and earth and made man upon it and gave man a spirit to walk therein, He KNEW the one who He would CALL to righteousness for to be a LIGHT. He made all things through and for this man, who He knew would be His firstborn of the dead of many brethren. His SERVANT who went to the cross has KNOWLEDGE because we READ prior by Isaiah that God gave this MAN His Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, and Knowledge.
Carmel, THIS is TRUE,
When God gave David TRUTH of what would occur in the future, that God was going to be mindful of a HUMAN, God was going to VISIT this human, make this human a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death and then crown this human with glory, giving this HUMAN dominion over all the works of God’s hands, THIS was God’s TRUTH before the world was. THIS was God’s WORD from the beginning that became TRUE in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth, the man who we are told was APPROVED by God who performed signs and miracles through God.
Carmel, there are words of God you are not being mindful of and are not applying. Neither are you mindful that God DID establish the coming of a man to save that which was lost before the world was.
God was going to beget David’s son. Jesus is not called God’s only begotten Son because he pre-existed as such and became a human, JESUS the son of David is called God’s only begotten Son because God beget JESUS with His Spirit, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and fear of the LORD. You are told that JESUS is a Son of God according to the Spirit of God, you are told that the one who speaks God’s WORDS is able to do so BECAUSE God gave him of His Spirit not by measure, God was ALL IN the MAN Jesus, the son of David, as was prophesied God would direct all his ways, this was concerning a MAN God promised to come. These words of God became TRUE IN the FLESH of Jesus, and these WORDS were WITH God since before the world was.
These words that became true, were with God from the beginning, God made all things by His word, these words were with God when Moses spoke saying that one like him would come, one from among the people would be a prophet like Moses and the people would hear him, God kept these words with Him and gave them later to David and to Isaiah, and then these words became true in the flesh of Jesus. JESUS the son of David was OF God’s word from the beginning.
God KNEW Jesus before he was born, God delighted in Jesus before he was born, He delighted in His Son before he was begotten by Him. WHEN you as the One True God PLAN the future and it is a future of righteousness for mankind one where they receive eternal life, as God being all knowing, He delights in what He knows even when it hasn’t come forth yet.
Carmel…..Jodi has produced those scriptures over and over, you people are simply not reading them. She and I both have , word for word quoted scriptures to you all. But what good is it if you don’t read them, and check them out in you own bibles. Carmel you have been indoctrinated into a false teaching about who Jesus really is. He is not a God, but became a Son of God, exactly the same way we must also, through the anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT (seed) , of the FATHER into us, making us his sons and daughters. Jesus was and is a flesh human being exactly like we are, who obtained sonship exactly as we must also, through the Spirit (seed) of the Living God Abiding in us.
Carmel your holding on to things you have heard and been taught in the past, now it’s time to honestly explore the real truth. Remember Jesus said the great deception would be about him, who is and was, think about it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Jodi,
First and foremost, I simply asked those questions to make you produce the actual scriptures not your own corrupted understanding. With every respect!
YOU: Carmel, there are words of God you are not being mindful of and are not applying. Neither are you mindful that God DID establish the coming of a man to save that which was lost before the world was.
No Jodi, I am mindful of scriptures more than you think!
If you read my second post on this page, I said that
GOD ALREADY ACHIEVED HIS KINGDOM IT IS SIMPLY BEING PUT TO PRACTICE!
You are producing tons of scriptures but at the same time, you are not discerning the spiritual hidden messages in those scriptures, simply as you look at God’s work both of creation and redemption, ONLY tangibly, while God’s tasks are all throughout SPIRITUAL despite TANGIBLE.
Now let’s verify!
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; who conceived and brought forth Cain, saying: I have gotten a man through God.
2And again she brought forth his brother Abel.
WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE, God first created THE FIRST MAN, then from the man, He created THE FIRST WOMAN, and THEN HE CREATED THE FIRST SON THROUGH SEX IN CAIN.
Mysteriously Eve brought forth Abel, without an affair with Adam, and without a declaration from Eve in the same way she brought forth Cain.
Now there are spiritual messages for sure in all the above since it is GOD’S WORK and not written with clarity enough to discern THE TRUTH simply as the process was related to the KNOWLEDGE OF THE GOOD AND THE EVIL . But for sure there are
THREE FIRSTS, IN A WAY WITH CLARITY, IN THE MAN, THE WOMAN, AND CAIN, AND ONE FIRST MYSTERIOUS! Now Jesus was
THE FIRST IN ALL THINGS,
SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM. CONSEQUENTLY
“THE WORD” Jesus to be, SON OF GOD/SON OF MAN TO BE, AS A SPIRIT, PREEXISTED,
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, WAS
FIRST IN ADAM, AS MAN.
FIRST IN EVE AS WOMAN,
FIRST IN CAIN AS SON and
FIRST IN ABEL AS SON MYSTERIOUS!
The fact that Cain slew Abel, as there was no room for a MYSTERIOUS BROTHER/SON! (JESUS’ PRELUDE)
ONLY TRUE WITH RESPECT TO A TANGIBLE WORLD, SATAN’S LIE!
Now you said:
you: I understand scripture according to the OATHS that He SWORE, which is UNBREAKABLE TRUTH that
He had given before the world was.
Jodi, TO MY IMAGINATION, I am waiting for your understanding
ACCORDING TO THE OATHS THAT GOD SWORE, WHICH IS UNBREAKABLE TRUTH THAT HE HAD GIVEN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Neither are you mindful that God DID establish the coming of a man to save that which was lost before the world was.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel.
WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURE, God first created THE FIRST MAN, then from the man, He created THE FIRST WOMAN, and THEN HE CREATED THE FIRST SON THROUGH SEX IN CAIN.
Mysteriously Eve brought forth Abel, without an affair with Adam, and without a declaration from Eve in the same way she brought forth Cain.
ME: WOW, this is CARNAL MIND at it’s best Carmal, talk about HUMAN imagination at work.
she conceived and bare Cain, AND AGAIN bare his brother . You think every time a child in the bible is said to be brought forth it must be made known that it occurred through sex, if it doesn’t say such than it’s a hidden mystery of a special birth?
THERE is NO mystery, God made creatures, and made them to reproduce after their own kind, if Adam knew Eve and they had a child, it is known that she is not barren, and she bore again a second child, which there should be no question as to how that second child came about.
If the passage just would have said Eve conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. 2 And she again bare his brother Abel. I think anyone with common sense would have been able to know that OBVIOUSLY Adam and Eve were joining themselves together having children, as that is exactly what God had told them to do.
I can’t even believe I am having this conversation, it does open my eyes to just how far you are immersed in the imagination of men who corrupt God’s word.
YOU have absolutely NO proof to your mystery birth, it is not written, it’s from your imagination. What is TRUE that IS written is God after making male and female humans said for them to be fruitful and multiply!
Jodi, this shows how far “religious deception” exists, man has come up with so much deception, desguising it as “spritual” perseptions, when all the time it is just their form of “mystery religion”. Nearly all of so-called Christianity in this time is duped in a form of “mystery religion” , Trying to make Jesus a God, is it no also understandable they do the same with other s riptures also.
Carmel, haven’t you read where it says, “Eve is the mother of all living” does that mean she actually conceived us all? According to your “mysterious” Conceptions it must mean that , right?
Carmel, God created one man, Adam, took from his body and fomed a women, and from that union of them produce all living human being on this earth today. That why Paul said “there is “one” flesh of man. Because all came from the original creation “Adam” through who can Eve, through who call all of us. THAT MIGHT NOT FIT YOU ‘MYSTERY RELIGION” but that is what happened.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Carmel,
So this is how you read God’s word by taking passages and saying it means something that is not written, and you believe that the Spirit of God reveals hidden mysteries to certain men, that are not readily seen in scripture. Don’t you know that this type of approach explains all the different Christian beliefs out there?? One denomination says this another says it means that, all saying God has revealed hidden things to them only obtainable through God’s Spirit.
The Spirit of God draws a man to believe in His written truth. God keeps things HIDDEN (a mystery) until He wants to reveal that which He has kept HIDDEN and when God wants to make a truth known He gives it with clarity and has it be written.
25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Mystery, hidden truth, God’s WORD is MADE KNOWN, His words are written for us so we may know the truth, truth that had been WITH GOD from the beginning.
False doctrine can be easily detected for if it is NOT written in God’s word it is NOT God’s TRUTH, it is even more evident that it is false when it speaks directly against that which IS written.
THIS is the TRUTH,
That which God revealed to the prophets David and Isaiah was of the END, God revealed what was to become of mankind, this END God had declared from the beginning, it was WITH God before time on earth and He later shared it to David and Isaiah. That which God had shared with them was truth that had been with God all along.
God shared with David and Isaiah that a man would come, a man of the fruit of David’s loins would come, and God would be mindful of this man, God would visit him, God would rest His Spirit upon him, an anointing, and would send him out into the world for to be a LIGHT as God said He would call this man to righteousness.
This word of God that God shared with David and Isaiah had been WITH God even before He shared it, it was His word, promises that God created the world through. This word of God concerning a man God would visit, and rest His Spirit upon, was His word made TRUE in the flesh of Jesus. Jesus the man of flesh had God’s Spirit descend and come to abode upon him, AN ANOINTING, at the river Jordan. This man of flesh named Jesus upon having God’s Spirit abode in him was then sent out into the world as a LIGHT declaring God’s coming kingdom, just exactly as God in His word had promised.
THIS is God’s WORD, this WORD existed prior WITH God before the world was, and we read later of this WORD becoming true in the flesh of David’s son Jesus,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law
61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
GOD’s WORD MADE TRUE IN THE FLESH OF Jesus of Nazareth.
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
THE FIRST IN ALL THINGS,
SINCE ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, and ALL FOR HIM. CONSEQUENTLY
ME:
Now recall that Isaiah said in chapter 11 that the one who God rests his Spirit upon IS the offspring of Jesse. Recall that God told David that God was going to be mindful of a man and visit him, crown him with glory and honor, and give THIS human dominion over all the works of God’s hands.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is NO pre-existing spirit son of glory, no righteous son who made heaven and earth. The one who calls a HUMAN to righteousness He created heaven and earth, He created all things. According to Psalm 8, all that the LORD created He gives it to a human to have dominion over it.
The glory that the LORD speaks that He is going to GIVE to this HUMAN, was glory established from the beginning, God’s WORD for the Son of Man before the world was. Glory that God had for the Son of Man declared before the world was. The LORD did declare the END from the beginning.
This man wasn’t ever a spirit, such is NOT WRITTEN, this man didn’t go back to being a spirit, such is not written. What IS WRITTEN is that this MAN became the firstborn of the dead of many brothers and sisters and the LORD gave him dominion over all the works of the LORD’S hands.
Jesus declares in Revelation that HE IS THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF DAVID. THE END that God declared from the beginning was of a HUMAN receiving a PROMISE that God gave to David concerning David’s son.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Carmel are not the angels WORDS the WORDS of the LORD that He declared from the beginning that the LORD was going to make sure happen? Did the LORD NOT create ALL things KNOWING WHO He was going to give the works of His hands over to?
If the END is a human being given dominion and an eternal kingdom, wouldn’t God have made the world through (By REASON OF) and FOR that HUMAN? That human brings truth and life. You don’t think God created all things through (by reason of) and for the one who God made to be our source for eternal life?
In Colossians 1 Paul is teaching the Gospel, he believes as he is writing that a man shed his blood, was raised from the dead as the firstborn of many and he is sitting as a Son of Man at God’s right hand. Paul is NOT speaking about a pre-existing son, Paul is speaking about the human who SHED his BLOOD, and he at the moment Paul is writing IS the firstborn over all creation, NOT the creation that fell to sin and death. Paul is NOT speaking of that creation, he is speaking of the one that the man who SHED his blood is firstborn OF, he later clearly tells you exactly what creation he is speaking of, the new beginning.
What couldn’t be more OBVIOUS is that the one who shed his blood is said to be the one who is the image of the invisible God.
But we are suppose to believe that this image has nothing to do with the man who God rested His Spirit upon with out measure?
this image has nothing to do with the man that God called to righteousness?
this image has nothing to do with the man who God had said He would direct all his ways?
Instead we are suppose to believe that the one who exists in the image of God is some one of a kind spirit being??
We are suppose to believe that the image has nothing to do with the man who God said learned obedience through suffering and was MADE perfect, becoming our source for eternal salvation??
We should likewise just totally ignore this word of God I suppose, 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
God’s Son IS the firstborn of the dead of many brothers and sisters, and we are to be conformed to his image the image of a firstborn human with eternal life.
Paul just said prior, that those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. We are to become Sons of God, we are to be made in the image of God’s Son.
JESUS is the man who God promised He would direct all his ways.
As Paul says Jesus is the son of David a Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit, he is an eternal Son by his resurrection into eternal life. As Acts tells us when Jesus was raised from the dead he received the PROMISE of the Spirit, and he received the mercies God had promised to David. The Son of Man is coming to judge, and according to prophecy this man judges not by his own eyes and ears but through God’s Spirit through God’s righteousness, well that makes sense because the man Jesus was also prophesied to be CALLED to righteousness. The Son of Man firstborn of many brethren with eternal life is God’s Son for he is LED by God’s Spirit where he also as prophesied cannot fail nor be discouraged, until he sets judgement on the earth.
Carmel throughout the bible God wants us to KNOW that what comes forth He had purposed FROM the beginning, He had spoken it before time began. If we read that God promised to send a human to be our savior, if we read from David that God was going to make David’s son into a firstborn son, if we read from Isaiah 53 about a man who is going to die and be raised from the dead and given eternal life and share the spoil with the mighty, and then we can read of this man coming into existence and he tells us of God’s kingdom and of our reward of also receiving eternal life, YOU DON’T think that this man is the “he” who God made all things through (by reason of) and FOR?
I am suppose to believe that Jesus pre-existed and God had him make heaven and earth for himself, and then he could later rule over that which he made for himself after he became a man who God would be mindful of, visit, and call to righteousness?
Carmel you and others are NOT mindful to God’s PURPOSE that God had when He made heaven and earth.
Jesus didn’t say he made them male and female he said God did, and Jesus declared himself as being a man. Well how perfect is that because Isaiah quoted God saying that He made heaven and earth and man, and He promised to call a man to righteousness, to rest His Spirit upon him so that he could speak God’s word. Here is the man Jesus speaking God’s word in truth, as he said God, not him, created man.
You don’t think when God created man, he wasn’t thinking about the image man was going to be made into? He wasn’t thinking about man being made into the image of His Son, His Son who is identified as being the firstborn of the dead, the image of the man who has eternal life? No that makes no sense I guess to you. We should just ignore that God’s word says that before the world was our God who cannot lie promised us eternal life.
God made man in his image, one man sinned and brought death, this man was never called to righteousness, this man never had God’s Spirit rest upon him without measure, this man did not have God directing all his ways, this man did not receive the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, thus sin and death therefore was inevitable.
God then took a man and directed all his ways, He called a man to righteousness, He rested His Spirit upon this man without measure, and the result is a man worthy of eternal life, the result is a man who lives in God’s image, the result is a man who brings truth and life to all men. When God made MAN He KNEW this. When God brought forth the law God knew that man can do nothing of himself, the law was a school master so that we may know righteousness and the source of it,Christ teaches us that to be righteous a man must be born of God’s Spirit, that a man can do nothing of himself, that to be righteous God must direct ALL your ways, to be a Son of God you must be fully led by God’s Spirit.
Good Morning All,
God’s CLEAR WORD,
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts. 14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God. 15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. 16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols. 17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isaiah 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. 6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places. 10 They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me TO preach the gospel to the poor; HE HATH SENT ME TO heal the brokenhearted, TO preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, TO set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 TO preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts 4:24 And they, when they heard it, lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou that didst make the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 who by the Holy Spirit, by the mouth of our father David thy servant, didst say, Why did the Gentiles rage, And the peoples imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against his Anointed: 27 for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together, 28 to do whatsoever thy hand and thy council foreordained to come to pass. 29 And now, Lord, look upon their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants to speak thy word with all boldness, 30 while thy stretchest forth thy hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of thy holy Servant Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken wherein they were gathered together; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know; 23 him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. 25 For David saith concerning him, I beheld the Lord always before my face; For he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced; Moreover my flesh also shall dwell in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul unto Hades, Neither wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou madest known unto me the ways of life; Thou shalt make me full of gladness with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Our Heavenly Father ALONE by HIMSELF says that HE created the heavens, earth, and mankind, and as He speaks this, He likewise speaks of the man who He calls to righteousness, a man He has chosen from the people where He will DIRECT ALL his WAYS so that this man will deliver captives. You are told that He declared this from ancient times from His mouth, and that He does not speak in secret, in dark places of the earth.
Our Heavenly Father says that He did not create heaven, earth, and man IN VEIN, He created it to be inhabited. We are told that God before the world began promised mankind eternal life. We are told the man Jesus approved of by God was foreordained to die for our sins. We are told that Jesus is the son of David who God raised up to be our savior ACCORDING TO A PROMISE.
So NO absolutely not did our God create mankind IN VEIN, God created man through (by reason of) and FOR the man Jesus who would be the firstborn human of many unto eternal life.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: WOW, this is CARNAL MIND at it’s best Carmal, talk about HUMAN imagination at work.
Jodi, we are discussing THE BIBLE, not an ordinary FICTION PAPERBACK. The least dot is vital never mind the way it is purposely written for those who are in the right spirit of discernment!
YOU: You think every time a child in the bible is said to be brought forth it must be made known that it occurred through sex, if it doesn’t say such then it’s a hidden mystery of a special birth?
Jodi, even when it is IN A WAY clear in the bible that a birth occurred through sex, WHEN IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH GOD’S PARTICULAR BIRTHS THEY ALL ARE
HIDDEN MYSTERIES AND SPECIAL BIRTHS, LIKE IN THE CASE OF THE FIRST FATHER ABRAHAM IN HIS SON ISAAC.
SEX HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD’S PROCESS OF REPRODUCTION, WHICH WAS REJECTED IN THE GARDEN.
Now read this:
Isaiah 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children,
MYSELF BRING FORTH, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
According to your understanding OBVIOUS CARNALLY,
GOD HAD SEX?
Now tell me,
DID EVE HAVE A SECOND AFFAIR WITH ADAM AND SHE BROUGHT FORTH ABEL? OR
WERE CAIN AND ABEL TWINS?
Now read hereunder:
Genesis 29:
32 And she conceived and bore a son, …
33 And again she conceived and bore a son,…
34And she conceived the third time, and bore another son,…
35The fourth time she conceived and bore a son, …
Genesis 30:5 When her husband had gone in unto her,
conceived and bore a son.
7And again Bala conceived, and bore another,….
9Lia perceiving that she had left of bearing, gave Zelpha, her handmaid, to her husband.
10 And when she had conceived, and brought forth a son, …..
12Zelpha also bore another. ….
17And God heard her prayers; and
she conceived: and bore a fifth son:
19And Lia conceived again, and bore the sixth son.
21After whom she bore a daughter, named Dina.
22The Lord also remembering Rachel, heard her, and opened her womb. 23And
she conceived, and bore a son, …
From the list above two don’t mention that the women were conceived!
Were these also twins?
Hereunder are the only two births of twins mentioned in detail.
Genesis 25: 24 And when her time was come to be delivered, behold twins were found in her womb.
Genesis 38:27 And when she was ready to be brought to bed, there appeared twins in her womb:
Jodi I am earnestly waiting for your reply with the hope that we clarify what till now is a clear MYSTERY.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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