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Hi Gene 👋
Gene first let’s get one thing clear here , it’s this: you said, I didn’t say Jesus Christ wasn’t the Good Shepherd, you missed my point, I said JESUS CHRIST is the Good Shepherd and not a sheep, you say He just a ordinary man like us, Gene ” a ordinary man just like us is a sheep. Let me repeat it again Jesus Christ is the Good Shepherd He’s not a sheep.
Two: thanks for letting me know that T8 is in agreement with you about me. Gene you should speak for yourself and don’t bring others into it. If T8 has something to say to me he could easily say it himself.
And three: you said show me where I forced the scriptures, on my next post to you , I will go back in the post and show you where you forced the scriptures or scripture. If I remember right I’m going to find the one on Hebrew 3 that we talk about. That was way back.
Well anyways have good day.
May God save you 🙏
Hi Gene
You said this: If the blind lead the blind they both fall into a ditch, you cannot decieve those who have the spirit of truth “in” them, so you efforts are fultile. WE KNOW THE VOICE OF OUR SHEPARD AND WILL NOT FOLLOW THE VOICE OF A STRANGER. Is our Shepherd Jesus Christ Gene? Who is the we? The sheep Gene. Who’s the Stranger? The Devil Gene. He speaks through people Gene, that where false doctrine and teaching come from Gene.Do you hear me Gene?
You speak here of the Shepherd the we sheep and the Stranger the Devil, but now speak t
That the Shepherd Jesus Christ can be a sheep, the lost sheep in the world at that, with sin.
Your thinking is all wrong Gene your teaching makes things backwards, Jesus Christ is the Messiah and some how you tried to make him to be just a man like us, a sheep.
May God save you 🙏
Anthony,
They just don’t get it into their mind that
A SHEEP CAN NEVER FIND THE LOST SHEEP.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
ANTHONY, do you think I don’t know the devil speaks through men an even churches? Are you so ignorant that you believe I don’t know that, go read what I wrote on 2ths2 explained.
King David was a Shepard, and became a king, Jesus is the shapard of the people that God gives him to shepard over, and will be the king over them and of all the earth at his return.
You have what I said right, but then you added somethings I did not say, as you do with the scriptures, what I was saying is that all those who have the “spirit of truth” guiding them, know the sound of the truth, and they won’t follow a false teacher, or “Shepard ” because they “know” the sound of the truth, and there bye know the sound of the true shepard.
Anthony, What does this mean to you, “when the son of “man” return” Jesus said that not me, so Jesus said he is a man, and you somehow think that demeans him, Interesting, Jesus said he was a son of man over 80 times as I recall, so he didn’t think that was a demeaning thing , but you do. So you force your belifs over what Jesus says, who do you think you are, are you better then our lord Jesus.
Anthony answer me this, do you think a “human man” can’t be a “messiah”? If so please explain why that can’t be.
Anthony, if you can’t see that the “flesh” man Jesus had to be “anointed” at the age of around 30 inorder to become the Messiah of God. If you can’t see him as a flesh and blood man in his existence and his anointing by God taking place at the age of 30, you have completely missed the truth. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi t8,
Philippians 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be like minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. 3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves. 4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. 5 Let this MIND be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
This chapter is talking about having fellowship of the Spirit. The chapter is teaching to be LIKE MINDED with Jesus, and Paul gives us his thoughts and actions of our Anointed Jesus for an example in how we are to be like minded with him.
t8, Paul is speaking to those who also like Jesus were given of God’s Spirit and Power, of course not to the full measure as Jesus, but none of the less, they were given of the Spirit to be apostles, prophets, healers who also performed signs and miracles. Paul was teaching them that with these gifts from God they needed to esteem others better than themselves, not have vein glory, but to be of one mind, like minded with The Anointed Jesus.
RECALL, Jesus of Nazareth had the Spirit descend upon him and abode upon him, an anointing/being set a part TO then be sent out TO PREACH God’s word including giving prophecy, TO HEAL, the things that other men received the Spirit to perform.
The “who” and the “he” of Philippians 2 IS precisely according to THIS Jesus, NOT a non flesh anointed spirit.
The “who” and the “he” is the Son of Man who the people witnessed perform signs and miracles as he had been anointed and sent TO DO upon having God’s Spirit descend upon him like a dove and abode upon him.
Acts 10 tells us that Jesus of Nazareth was filled with the Holy Spirit and POWER. John 3 tells us that Jesus was given the Spirit not by measure.
t8, you don’t think that equates to Jesus being in the form of God?
t8, after the Spirit abode upon Jesus, an anointing, and he was sent out performing signs and miracles, Jesus declared that he did nothing of himself, that his works were that of God’s, he was doing God’s will not his own.
t8, you don’t think that equates to Jesus making himself of no reputation?
The one who was in the form of God and made himself of no reputation is Jesus of Nazareth who God had filled with the Holy Spirit and Power.
The “he” who humbled himself was the man who God visited and gave His POWERS to, he was tested to use those powers for his own gain and he said, “man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of God’s mouth”. His words he was applying to himself and all men. God was directing all Jesus’s ways and Jesus was being an obedient servant to the point where he died for his brethren.
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Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
t8, Isaiah and David’s prophecies DIRECTLY RELATE to Philippians 2, YOU ARE BLIND if you CANNOT SEE IT!!
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus’s grave was made with the wicked and with the rich in his death, he was made in the likeness of a man AS LIKE A SINNER, being BRUISED and put to GRIEF as though he was a sinner. He was without sin, he had followed all of God’s will he was not deserving of being bruised or being put to grief. As he walked and was nailed on the cross among thieves, he was looked upon by the people as equal to the thieves, he was mocked and spit upon.
SERIOUSLY t8, OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
Paul is not speaking of some non flesh anointed spirit humbling himself by becoming a human finding himself in the fashion of a man to be obedient to God and go to the cross.
Paul is speaking of the Son of Man, Jesus of Nazareth who God filled with the Holy Spirit and Power and obeyed God, did not miss God’s mark. Paul is speaking of the MIND of Jesus WHEN HE WENT TO THE CROSS, he was being humbled as he was being numbered with transgressors, finding himself in a situation in the likeness of a sinner, being bruised and put to shame LIKE that of a sinner. He was speaking of the Jesus that was in the form of God, had God’s POWERS who could have used those powers to save himself, but instead he was a servant, living according to God’s word, His commands.
Paul was speaking to those who would be tested unto death also, who would overcome the world also, who would be persecuted in their obedience to God also. And for those remaining faithful unto God, preaching in Jesus Christ’s name unto their death, they would be of the strong who Jesus would divide the spoil with, be made the kings that Jesus is the King over.
How they succeed is by having fellowship in the Spirit, by being like minded with The Anointed Jesus as he was a faithful servant to God, as he looked not on his own things but had gone to the cross for his brothers and sisters.
Hello All,
I want to pull this out from my last post as it is very significant for anyone who desires TRUTH and UNDERSTANDING.
Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name
Paul is speaking of Jesus going to the cross, him being numbered with transgressors, God bruising him and putting him to grief LIKE that of a sinner, making him in the LIKENESS of men, LIKE the THIEVES he was crucified with.
The Jesus who performed signs and miracles through God’s Spirit boding upon him, is he who was in the form of God. It is ‘he’ who made himself of no reputation, giving all the credit to God saying he was doing nothing of himself and he was not following his will but that of God’s.
TO CHANGE the “who” and the “he” to represent a non flesh anointed spirit is to speak ANTICHRIST. The “who” and the “he” IS Jesus of Nazareth who God anointed, filled him with the Holy Spirit and Power and then sent him out into the world to do good works and heal and die on the cross for us.
To say that Paul is teaching us in Philippians 2 that Jesus pre-existed as an anointed spirit and came to earth in the likeness of a man IS against the word of God that is to be published, that is to be spoken, that is to be preached.
37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
The WORD of GOD that is to be PREACHED is how God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and Power and sent him out into the world to do good deeds and to heal. To preach that this anointed man died on the cross for his brothers and sisters, and God raised him from the dead, showing openly the man who is God’s firstborn of many brethren.
Hello All,
Jesus, the Son of Man, asked God for the glory that the Son of Man had OF God before the world was, the SAME glory we read from the prophet David and Isaiah.
It’s not some glory to be imagined, it is glory written, God said to David that He would make his son into His firstborn Son, a firstborn of the dead, the firstborn of many brethren. As David knows the inheritance of a firstborn son, he knew that his own son would be his Lord and his king. God had told David that He was going to visit the Son of Adam, his son, and give him a crown and dominion over all the works of God’s hands.
David died having hope in being raised from the dead and following his own son as his Lord and King.
GOD DID DECLARE THE END FROM THE BEGINNING. The glory that we see the Son of Man receive is the glory that was OF GOD for the Son of Man, before the world was.
Hello All,
God made Adam, the son of God, in His own image and gave him dominion over all the earth. Adam sinned and died. But now we have a second Adam, a last Adam, a HUMAN, the Son of God who God perfected, gave eternal life to, and gave him the inheritance of a firstborn Son, dominion over all the earth. As we bare the image of the first Adam (HUMAN), we shall bear the image of the Last Adam (HUMAN). This Last Adam (HUMAN) is the image of the invisible God, FOR GOD DID MAKE HUMANS IN HIS OWN IMAGE, and this Last Adam IS the beginning, the firstborn of the dead over all creation.
When God promised David that He was going to make his son into His firstborn Son, such was God’s WORD from the beginning, from before the world was. That word was WITH God from the beginning, He later gave that WORD to David, He later made that WORD TRUE in the flesh of Jesus, He then gave it to apostles to preach where God’s word spoken to David is quoted,
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
It is the Son of Man that sits at God’s right hand.
THE CHRIST that is RAISED UP to sit on David’s throne, is the Son of Man, the Son of Adam, the Son of a HUMAN, the son of David, JESUS OF NAZARETH who GOD ANOINTED filling him with the Holy Spirit and Power, and sent him out as our Messiah exactly according to prophecy, according to God’s WORD that had been spoken to the prophets that had been with God even before the world was.
Hi Gene
You said: you can’t believe that a Messiah can be a man?
Me: No, it’s the only Begotten Son that’s the Messiah Gene,
You said: ANTHONY, do you think I don’t know the devil speaks through men an even churches? Are you so ignorant that you believe I don’t know that
Me I didn’t think that Gene your the one thinking that apparently.
You speak with forked tongue, you say one thing in one post and another in other post,
Gene let’s make one thing clear, you just don’t believe that Jesus Christ pre-existed with His Father in heaven, and that the Father sent Jesus Christ. So you have chosen to try to twist scriptures to make it say other things, and in time you became a false teacher you don’t even acknowledge these scriptures about His pre- existence. You don’t acknowledge that He was the Messiah in Bethlehem, in the city of David. You force any scripture to make Jesus Christ just a good man like us.
If you think I’m going to debate with you I’m not, we been through this before.
May God save you 🙏
Anthony, again you misrepresent what I have said , but you are right in saying “I don’t believe Jesus ever preceeded his birth on this earth”, That is true. Do I believe Jesus was the messiah at birth.? No I sure don’t , do I believe he was desteny at birth to become the Messiah or anointed one of God, yes, I sure do.
I have never said differently, go read the post Jodi has just posted, and maybe that can help get the beam out of your eyes.
Anthony if you are going to quote me please have the dicency to quote me rightly. because you mind can’t comprehend the truth dosen’t mean I have a forked tongue. Your false belifs of a preexisting Jesus, and him being God, has completely blinded you from reconizing the truth of what we are saying, that should be obvious to anyone who has the spirit of truth in them.
Bottom line Anthony your not excepting the truth, Jodi or I tell you, And never did. Sad for you.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Jodi 👋
You ought to think about writing a book and publish it. And then give everyone on the site one.
So we don’t have to read your long post.
God bless 🙏
Anthony, if you would read those long post and the quoted scriptures that back them up, and truly think about them, you wouldn’t be so confused as you are about who Jesus really is. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Anthony,
YOU:Gene let’s make one thing clear, you just don’t believe that Jesus Christ pre-existed with His Father in heaven, and that the Father sent Jesus Christ. So you have chosen to try to twist scriptures to make it say other things, and in time you became a false teacher you don’t even acknowledge these scriptures about His pre- existence.
ME:
TWIST SCRIPTURE??
WHO is Jesus Christ according to scripture?
Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
God speaking to David concerning his son, a son according to the FRUIT of David’s LOINS not by adoption,
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son.Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
VERY SIMPLE Anthony, according to Scripture, first you have the SEED of David and THEN that seed of David is declared to be God’s Son ACCORDING to the Spirit.
ALSO, what we are being told by Paul is said TO BE ACCORDING TO God’s PROMISE written by God’s prophets.
CAN you follow this Anthony??
The GOSPEL we are to teach Concerning God’s Son Jesus Christ WAS WRITTEN by the prophets, IT IS ACCORDING TO WHAT THE PROPHETS WROTE.
2 Samuel 7 is a prophecy, God was going to be a Father to the FRUIT OF DAVID’S LOINS, first you have David’s son and then God becomes a Father to him according to the Spirit. Jesus as a Son according to the Spirit Paul tells us is of a promise given in prophecy,
It is clearly given to us in Isaiah 11, 42, and 61.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
JESUS quotes this prophecy he says in Luke 4, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, BECAUSE he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT ME to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
VERY CLEAR Anthony, Jesus was born the son of David, and according to the Spirit he is God’s Son, AS WAS PROMISED by God according to prophecy. We read the prophecy of David’s son receiving God’s Spirit, AN ANOINTING/CHRIO made into CHRISTOS and THEN God sends HIM the anointed son of David, out into the world, and ACCORDING to that Spirit that is upon him he is God’s Son.
EXACTLY why when the Spirit descends upon Jesus like a dove and abodes upon him God declares, “THIS is my beloved Son.”
It’s ALL there as to WHEN David’s son BECAME God’s Son and our Christ, and WHEN the Christ is SENT.
John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that THIS is the Son of God.
Hi Anthony,
There are NO scriptures that teach pre-existence, ZERO.
All you have are passages where you do not apply the simple fact that God established the END from the beginning.
All you have are passages where you fully deny that prophecy about the man that was to come to be our savior, was planned by God before the world was.
All you have are passages where you CHANGE the TRUTH INTO A LIE by CHANGING WHO the passage is speaking of.
Jodi. …Amen sis. well said, it’s to bad Anthony doesn’t come to see this, repent and come to the truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Two: thanks for letting me know that T8 is in agreement with you about me. Gene you should speak for yourself and don’t bring others into it. If T8 has something to say to me he could easily say it himself.
What did he say? I have never given him an opinion about you that I can recall.
Gene said:
Hi t8,
It is sad to me t8 that you do not give much mind to the fact that God’s Spirit is said to call a man to righteousness, holding his hand, keeping him, for to be a LIGHT to all people.t8 said:
Your making stuff up now and bearing false witness.
He emptied himself and was as one of us. He needed God even more than we do due to his mission. In fact, he even learned obedience.
Keep the debate simple and try not to add in ad hominems. They are unnecessary distractions. And it will save you from being sad too.Have you repented Gene?
Hi T8
T8 said: What did he say? I have never given him an opinion about you that I can recall.
Gene said: as T8 said. You come here trying to cause divisions acting like you have a better understanding of scriptures then we do, but in fact you do not understand some of them clearly yet.
Me: I’m sorry if I came across that way.
God bless 🙏
Hi Gene
Jesus Christ did pre- exist
T8 said it right:
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.”
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
Gene you force these scriptures to say something else.
May God save you 🙏
Anthony….. We were told ,we should also empty ourselves and take the form of a “servent”. would that make us God’s also as you falsely believe Jesus was. None of that says Jesus was “a God” and emptied himself of being a God and came to earth as a human servant, all of that you and others add to what that scripture actually said.
John was meaning those who CONFESS not that JESUS CAME IN FLESH, He didn’t mean from another state of being as you and others falsely force the text to say, he meant Jesus came into his “only” “existence” as a flesh and blood human being, which you and others deny, you not only deny that but deny that he “had” to be anointed as all humans do, after his birth on this as we also have to be. “You must be born again” , this applied to him also. Jesus was not born anointed nor was he already the savior a birth, he became that after his birth on this earth, the birth that brought him into his “only” true existence, as a flesh and blood, human being. He still is a flesh human being. Just as he said he was “after” his resurection. He will return just as he left, a flesh human being, not a God, he has a God and it the same God as we have , just “one” God and one mediator between that God and men, “the MAN” Jesus the anointed.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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