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Carmel……Jesus became the Christo’s when he was anounted with the Holy Spirit after he was baptized by John the baptist in the Jordan river, at the age of around twenty nine or thirity. The word Christ means the anointed, he was anointed before he ever died on the cross or tree. He most deffinately is not a “GOD MAN” . We Have only “one” God and he certanily is not a manm but as Jesus said “God is a spirit”. Men are not spirits.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Jodi,
YOU: There is ONE TRUE GOD and He created all things by himself,
with His powers, with His Wisdom, with His will.
Back to square ONE!
Thanks again Jodi you confirmed my post again simply as you declared
God’s will is THE FATHER
God’s powers is THE HOLY GHOST
God’s wisdom is “THE WORD”
These three are mention in
John 1:5:7 And there are Three who give testimony in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are
one.
Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts:
nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth,
so are my ways exalted above your ways, and
my thoughts above your thoughts.In the above is a clear message:
IN GOD’S TERMS THE WORD
ALONE is also
NOT ALONE IN OUR TERMS
Jodi NOT EVEN A HUMAN BEING ON EARTH IS EVER ALONE, DESPITE HE WOULD BE ALL BY HIMSELF.
NOTHING STANDS BY ITSELF!
ALL IS SUSTAINED BY
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, OBVIOUS AS
A SPIRIT!
God not even in the spiritual realms could establish Himself as
The only true God.
Lucifer proclaimed himself god to his angels, and that was it!
HE BECAME GOD OF THE WORLD!
How God could establish Himself as such all by Himself.
ON THIS TANGIBLE PLANET,
UNLESS BEING TANGIBLE HIMSELF IN HIS SON? THE TRUTH!
THE ONLY WAY OUT FOR GOD TO BE
THE TRUE GOD! Well confirmed in
1John5:20 And we know that
the Son of God is come.
And he ( JESUS CHRIST) hath given us understanding
that we may know
the true God and
may be in his true Son. (JESUS CHRIST)
This is the true God and life eternal.
JESUS CHRIST.
Jodi, WHEN WILL YOU LEARN
TO RESPECT GOD AS GOD?
NOT A SHE, A HE, BOTH, OR NONE OF.
NOT AN ENTITY, OR A BEING. SIMPLY
UNFATHOMABLE, MYSTERIOUS, AND UNKNOWN
Luke 10:22 ALL THINGS are delivered to me by my Father.
And no one knoweth who
THE SON IS
but the Father: and who
THE FATHER IS,
but the Son and to whom
THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.
JODI, THE SON REVEALS THE FATHER
IN HIMSELF.
John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine.
Explain : YOU AS A HUMAN BEING,HOW CAN YOU DETERMINE SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY
TRUE?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel….. this is how we know the truth, by the “spirit of truth”, given us by God the Father . It amazes me you don’t know that perhaps that is your real problem. You seem so confused and have fallen for so much false teachings of fallen apostate churches.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Gene
Carmel……Jesus became the Christo’s when he was anounted with the Holy Spirit after he was baptized by John the baptist in the Jordan river, at the age of around twenty nine or thirity.
Message from a Holy Angel of God recorded in Scripture
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Gene loses this one.
1 John 2
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Gene says Jesus was not the Christ when the angel said otherwise. Now watch for all the excuses in the world to follow.
John 1:5:7 And there are Three who give testimony in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are
You would do well to read the below page carmel before relying on that verse.
T8…..First of all, “i” have neaver denied Jesus was anointed” by the holy spirit of God, I have always maintained the account of his baptizm and the Anointing of the holy spirit of God, it is you denying those scriptures that show him being anointed at the time the scriptures show it. Your disreguard for that anointing of the “Holy Spirit”, which scripture clearly shows as taken place, is the Anitchrist mentality John was addressing, it had nothing to do with a birth anointing as you falsey assume.
Anyone should be able to figure out that, why would scriptures go through all explanation of his baptizm and showing the Holy Spirit decending on him like a dove, if he was already anointed, common sense 101 t8.
Fact is, you are demensrating the spirit of an antichrist, by denying his scripturally shown baptizm and anointing process clearly shown in our scriptures, you believe he had it before he actually did, or he needed to be boublly anointed, one or the other, you can’t have it both ways.
There are so many reasons for believing this way , Jodi and iI have posted them over and over here, so I am not going to take all the time to post them over again.
To trying to aline me with the spirit of antichrists is a flat “LIE” t8, but you denying what scripture “ACTUALLY” shows about his anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT AT THE TIME OF HIS BAPTIZM, IS THE TRUTH. SO YOU FIT THE TERM ANTICHRIST FAR BETTER THEN I DO, BECAUSE YOU DENY THE WHOLE PROCESS OF HIS ACTUAL ANOINTING “PROCESS”,”clearly” shown in our scriptures, WE, Jodi and I, DON’T.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
T8…..First of all, “i” have neaver denied Jesus was anointed” by the holy spirit of God, I have always maintained the account of his baptizm and the Anointing of the holy spirit of God, it is you denying those scriptures that show him being anointed at the time the scriptures show it.
This is wrong Gene on two accounts.
- I have never said that Jesus was not anointed at his baptism. If so, show me where. You won’t be able to. So you shouldn’t bear false witness Gene. It is after all a commandment, so this is no light thing.
- And you do not teach that Jesus is the Christ. You deny for a start that the heavenly messenger in the City of David who declared him to be the messiah. You disagree and say he was not the messiah. Then you say he became messiah only at the Jordan so that denies the heavenly messengers message. You disagree with the angel and with God who sent him. What it is that you actually believe is similar to Nick. That Jesus is but a man shell so to speak. And the anointing went into the man shell and became the Christ. But scripture corrects you because your teaching denies that Jesus is the Christ because the very definition you give to Jesus is but the man without the Spirit. What you teach is Jesus Christ is the Christ, not Jesus. Do you agree? Which part do you not agree with?
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist
So to recap:
if Jesus = Man shell
Anointing = ChristThen, Jesus is not equal to Christ according to you and Nick
Only Jesus + Anointing = Christ according to you and Nick.
Now read the above verse again and let scripture correct you.
T8……you obvisely don’t understand what the word “messiah ” means, it means a anointed person, it doesn’t mean the person himself is the anointing, as you falsely preach. When the anointing spirit “of God’, is “applied” to a “person” they are “then” an anointed person, not before that happens.
Scripture “clearly shows Jesus went through an anointed process, after he was baptized at the Jordan river. You refusal to acknowledge this shows you are indeed an “antichrist”. The reason I believe Jesus is indeed the “messiah” of God, or the anointed one of God is because scripture shows clearly his anointing process, and what happened after the anointing took place.
Proofs of Jesus’ anointing process.
Mat 3: 16……”and Jesus, when he was “baptized”, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God decending like a dove, and “lighting upon him”:
Mar 1: 10…..”And straightway comming out of the water, he saw the heavens opened , and the “Spirit like a dove decending upon him.”
Luk 3:22…..”And the Holy Ghost decended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”Jesus was about 30 years old when he was anointed with the holy spirit.
John 1: 32…..”and John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit decending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him”.
John 1:33….. and I know him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, upon whom you shall see the “Spirit descending”, and “remaining on him” the same is he which baptisess with the HOLY GHOST. Verse 34 , And I saw, and bare record that this is the son of God.
T8…..when did John, “bare witness”? ,”when “he saw”, the Spirit “descend and remain”, on him.
Before that happened John or no one else know of his anointing . There is not a single record of any activity of an anounted Jesus doing anything, before his baptizm and “anointing” which took taking place at the Jordan river.
This I apsolutely believe that Jesus was indeed anointed with the “HOLY SPIRIT” just as the above scriptures clearly shows us.
But you deny this process took place it appears, even though I have posted just four out of many other scriptures that also plainly show it also. So it seem you have one scripture that you take out of true context, not understanding that the angle was speaking to them of the prophised massiah that was to come .
Where have I ever said Jesus was a shell? Thats another lie you are saying about me. The holy spirit dwelling in a person does not make that person a shell, it didn’t make Moses or the other prophets a shell, nor does it make the true Saint’s of God shells either. Man your thinking about this is really screwed up. And it not just Nick, and me but Jodi also and many others agree that Jesus did recieve the HOLY SPIRIT AT THE JORDAN RIVER.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
T8……you obvisely don’t understand what the word “messiah ” means, it means a anointed person, it doesn’t mean the person himself is the anointing, as you falsely preach.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
And where do I say that he is the actual anointing? You are clearly teaching contrary to scripture.
T8…..if I am, then please tell me was those witnesses I “directly quoted” preaching against scriptures also. No T8 it is you who is preaching against scripture, by assuming , one that Jesus preexisted his birth on this earth, and two by saying he was anointed at birth. You have “no evidence” of any “anointed” activity, until he was actually anointed with the Holy Spirit at the Jordan river, after his baptizm took place, from that time there is countless proofs of the anointing Spirit on him by all kind of signed and wonders. You have yet to produce “any” event showing “any” mircales or activity that show the “Holy Spirit” anointing was on him, before his baptizm at the Jordan river.
You preach he is the word right? Which John 1:1, says the word “was” God, Is that not the same thing as saying JESUS “WAS” God, and if the HOLY SPIRIT IS OF GOD, then you must conclude Jesus is God, and therefore was indeed the everexisting anointing himself.
T8 truth is you have created a false conclusion of what scripture is saying, not understanding “it is the sum of God’s word , that produces the truth, not just one sentence taken out of context, that produces the truth brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
T8…..if I am, then please tell me was those witnesses I “directly quoted” preaching against scriptures also. No T8 it is you who is preaching against scripture,
Again you are proven wrong because you flat out deny this. Where is your conscience in this matter?
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Hi t8,
Is the Spirit descending upon Jesus of Nazareth like a dove, NOT the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecies of chapters 11, 42, and 61?
Hi t8,
10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
Did the angel KNOW of prophecy that would be fulfilled concerning this baby?
Is this baby the person who saves us as it is written in prophecy?
Is this baby the person who is anointed and sent as it is written in prophecy?
Is this baby the person who God rests His Spirit upon to be a master/judge over all as it is written in prophecy?
t8, a Savior, a Messiah, a Master coming into the world is all according to prophecy regarding a human of the offspring of David and Jesse, who is able to have these titles, NOT BECAUSE he pre-existed, but BECAUSE God rested His Spirit upon him (the son of David and Jesse) and called him (a human) to righteousness.
The angel rightfully speaks of the baby according to the PERSON the baby is, he IS our savior ACCORDING to prophecy and we read that prophecy fulfilled, he IS our Messiah ACCORDING to prophecy and we can read that prophecy fulfilled, he IS our Master ACCORDING to prophecy and we read that prophecy fulfilled. What we DO NOT READ ANYWHERE is a non flesh Messiah Master coming to earth transforming into a human, and that we are saved because of this sending. God sent the Son of Man to save that which was lost, God sent Jesus of Nazareth out into the world beginning in Galilee after the baptism John preached to do good deeds in the name of God because God was with him. God sent Jesus of Nazareth who was anointed, filled with the Holy Spirit and power and was being fully led by the Spirit. God sent His Son, as those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.
YOU: t8, a Savior, a Messiah, a Master coming into the world is all according to prophecy regarding a human of the offspring of David and Jesse, who is able to have these titles, NOT BECAUSE he pre-existed, but BECAUSE God rested His Spirit upon him (the son of David and Jesse) and called him (a human) to righteousness.
Jodi,
WHY JESUS IS
a Savior, a Messiah, a Master coming into the world is all according to PROPHECY regarding a human of the offspring of David and Jesse, who is able to have these titles?
BY WHICH TITLES HE REDEEMED HUMANITY?
AND CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS
THE TRUTH?
WHY JESUS IS THE TRUTH?
WHAT ACTUALLY IS BEHIND JESUS’ WORDS WHEN HE PROCLAIMED THAT HE IS THE TRUTH?
SIMPLY BECAUSE HE PREEXISTED!
What actually occurred on Jesus’ death, the moment Jesus, in that moment in time He prayed, in John 17, was looking forward to and more then keen to go through, emphatically clear in the first verse of that chapter hereunder:
17:1 These things Jesus spoke: and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: the hour is come. Glorify thy Son, that thy Son may glorify thee
Notice Jodi, Jesus did not ask anything to His Father, but simply referred to
THE GLORIFICATION and UNIFICATION OF BOTH THE FATHER in the Holy Ghost and HIMSELF, “THE WORD” the Son of Man precisely
ON HIS DEATH! John 13:31,32,
By which death Jesus became
DIRECTLY GOD AND FATHER , proprietor of the
HUMAN RACE DESPITE IN ITS FILTHY SATANIC STATE! John 20:17
Asserted in the next verse:
2 As thou hast given him
POWER OVER ALL FLESH,
GOT IT, Jodi:
OVER ALL FLESH, BOTH THE GODD AND THE EVIL NO MATTER WHO AND WHAT.
NOW ATTENTION:
that he may give ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL whom thou hast given him.
Thus as soon as Jesus died,
HE TOPPLED SATAN FROM HIS DOMINION WITHIN THE HUMAN HEART, and as soon as He, Jesus DID THIS,
AS THE TRUTH.
HE OCCUPIED THE HUMAN HEART BOTH GOOD AND EVIL AT ALL COSTS NO MATTER WHO. Well mentioned by Jesus in
John 8:35Now the servant abideth not in the house ( HEART/SOUL) for ever: but the son abideth for ever. 36If therefore the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. 37I know that you are the children of Abraham: but you seek to kill me, because my word( MY SPIRIT) hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do the things that you have seen with your father.(SATAN)
ON THE CROSS,
IT WAS OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED IN THE SPIRITUAL REALMS THAT
JESUS WAS ALWAYS AND IS THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE OF ALL.
PREEXISTED!
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD SIMPLY SLAIN LIKE A LAMB,
THE FACT THAT IT’S ALL IN/BY HIM. Thus in that moment in time, ON JESUS’DEATH,
“THE WORD” Jesus’ FLESH, the Son of Man together with the Holy Ghost in Jesus’ soul became ONE IN:
JESUS CHRIST,
GLORIFIED BOTH GOD AND MAN, John 13:31, 32, John17:2,
JESUS AUTOMATICALLY FURNISHED ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL HUMANITY BY THE PRESENCE OF HIS SPIRIT AS “THE WORD” THE SON OF MAN IN THEIR HEART/SOUL,
WHILE THEY WERE STILL ON EARTH AS EVIL AS EVER!
SIMPLY AS SATAN WAS REMOVED FROM THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, AND THE ENTIRE CREATION!
Humans unaware of on Jesus’ death, despite they lived as evil as ever, were more clean than Adam and Eve were on their creation, simply as Jesus established Himself
FOREVER,
as the sole sovereign spirit in their HEART/SOUL. By which task with His presence He gave life to all, both good and evil. Well predicted in
Isaiah 1:18 And then come, and accuse me, saith the Lord: if your sins be as scarlet, they shall be made as white as snow: and if they be red as crimson, they shall be white as wool.
THE TRUTH WHICH WAS REVEALED ON THE CROSS! ONCE JESUS BECAME SUPERIOR OVER
DEATH, SATAN’S POWER. ATTENTION JODI:
Satan accepted THE PURE FACT that
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, he was always subject to
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
THE TRUTH
precisely his life source.
Consequently he lost all what he believed it was his through the SIN in the garden.
THE ENTIRE SOULS IN HELL UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME CONDEMNED UNDER MOSES’ LAW!
THEY WERE NOT HIS AT ALL IN THE TRUTH.
SATAN UP TO THAT MOMENT OF THE CROSS, TOOK IT FOR GRANTED THAT ON EARTH, HE WAS
LIKE THE MOST HIGH,
AND AS MUCH AS GOD WAS THE LIFE OF ALL THOSE WHO LIVE GOOD IN HEAVEN,
HE, SATAN WAS THE LIFE OF ALL THOSE WHO LIVED EVIL ON EARTH,
CONSEQUENTLY THE ENTIRE CURSED AND SINFUL EARTH. Well pinpointed out by Jesus’ own words:
Your will be done on EARTH, (FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME FROM THE CROSS despite cursed and evil)
AS IT IS IN HEAVEN! ( Holy and good THROUGH JESUS’DEATH, THE TRUTH)
BEFORE REDEMPTION
God OFFICIALLY was not accepted in the spiritual realms that
HE IS SUPERIOR TO EVIL.
IT WAS ONLY THROUGH THE PROCESS OF MAN IN JESUS PREEXISTED AND DIVINE THAT GOD BECAME OFFICIALLY ALSO IN COMMAND OVER EVIL AND DEATH! Well asserted in
Isaiah45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
From the moment of Jesus death on the cross,
JESUS AS “THE WORD”, WAS JUSTIFIED AS THE SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT IN ALL SOULS,
HE GOVERNED EARTH UP TO PENTECOSTE IN GOD’S WILL, IN ALL HUMANS DESPITE THEY WERE AS EVIL AS EVER.Well clear in
Luke 23:34 And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do……
SIMPLY AS JESUS THE TRUTH ANNIHILATED ALL SINS. ONLY BECAUSE
HE PREEXISTED AS A SPIRIT,
BY WHICH SPIRIT HE ERADICATED SATAN’S DREAM OF
AUTONOMY.
NOW WHAT WAS GOD’S WILL ON EARTH FROM JESUS DEATH TILL PENTECOST?
OBVIOUS AS MUCH AS SATAN THROUGH CAIN HE FLOODED EARTH WITH HIS EVIL SEED, SPIRIT!
JESUS LIKEWISE IMPLANTED THE SEED OF HIS FIRST FRUIT
THROUGH EVERY CONCEPTION OCCURRED ON EARTH TILL PENTECOST,
AND CHILDREN WHERE BORN OF GOD FOR THE FIRST TIME ON EARTH!
SIMPLY AS SATAN WAS REMOVED FROM ALL SOULS, AND JESUS TOOK OVER AUTOMATICALLY AS HE ALWAYS WAS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD! SLAIN LIKE A LAMB…..
FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH, TILL THE MOMENT OF THE CROSS.
THE ONLY PROCESS WHICH CONFIRMED
GOD AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND JESUS CHRIST
THUS JESUS CONFIRMED THAT
HE AS A SPIRIT IS SUPERIOR OVER ALL EVIL, AND MAINTAINS LIFE TO ALL BOTH GOOD AND EVIL NO MATTER WHO AND WHAT!
SIMPLY AS HE WAS ALWAYS WITHIN THE HUMAN HEART/SOUL AS THE TRUTH AND ETERNAL LIFE. THE FACT THAT SATAN THOUGH AN ENEMY OF GOD REMAINED IN EXISTENCE! SIMPLY AS “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN AS A SPIRIT WAS IN HIM, HIS LIFE SOURCE.
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.Rev.13:8
A TRUTH WHICH SATAN NEVER ACCEPTED SIMPLY AS HE BELIEVED THAT HE WAS AUTONOMOUS AND SUSTAINER OF ALL THOSE WHO LIVE IN SIN. SIMPLY SERVANTS OF SIN.
Peace and love in Jesus
Did the angel KNOW of prophecy that would be fulfilled concerning this baby?
Is this baby the person who saves us as it is written in prophecy?
Is this baby the person who is anointed and sent as it is written in prophecy?
The angel said “he is the Christ”. Case closed unless you can prove the angel wrong or prove a bad translation.
Is the Spirit descending upon Jesus of Nazareth like a dove, NOT the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecies of chapters 11, 42, and 61?
He fulfilled many prophecies. And in the City of David, the angel said “he is the Christ.”
What are the versus in particular that you are referring to?
t8,
I gave you the verses in particular, you even quoted me of those verses, Isaiah 11, 42, and 61.
It is a simple question and was very straight forward and YOU STUMBLE to answer,
Is the Spirit descending upon Jesus of Nazareth like a dove, NOT the fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecies of chapters 11, 42, and 61?
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
word “which” is from “hos” = who, which, what, that
The savior which is Christ (Anointed) the Lord (Master)
The angel said born that day is a savior, and that savior is Christ the Lord, all 3 titles are given to you according to prophecy, but you don’t want to apply prophecy and equate the given prophecy that directly speaks to those titles.
t8, can you apply God’s WORD spoken to Isaiah to the words the angel spoke?
A SAVIOR,
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
A MESSIAH,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; BECAUSE the LORD hath ANOINTED me
A Lord,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Psalm 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
t8, you SERIOUSLY want to tell me that Isaiah does not give us God’s WORD about a MAN to come that will be a savior, that will be a man Anointed, that will be a man appointed a Master THROUGH God resting His Spirit upon him and calling him to righteousness?????
It is WRITTEN t8, but Isaiah’s prophecies of a MAN having such titles through God resting His Spirit upon him does not apply in anyway to the angel giving those titles to a baby, who mind you later fullfills those prophecies according to those titles??
REALLY??
YOU SERIOUSLY want me to DENY Isaiah and God’s given WORD in relation to prophecy concerning a Savior, a Messiah, and a Lord and NOT apply them to the angel’s words concerning a baby who grows up to be a man and fulfills those words that equate him to those titles????????????????
Sorry it is in the too hard basket trying to look up the verses you are referring to. To make it simple, imagine we are having a conversation. Just tell me the chapter and verse number in your next post and leave it at that. I will respond for sure. Suffice to say for now, yes there are prophecies that pertain to the Christ that Jesus fulfilled.
Good Morning t8,
Discuss Isaiah 11, 42, 45, 61 for starters, just read the whole chapters!
Also read Psalm 8.
There is a great deal more in the OT.
What you find in the OT is a promise of a MAN to COME, he is of the tribe of Judah, he is a son of Abraham, Jesse, and David. God ANOINTS this man, a resting of God’s Spirit in fullness upon him, a calling of him to righteousness, where God directs ALL his ways so that he will be for a LIGHT unto all people, he will be a savior, God ordains him as a Master over all the earth giving him dominion over the works of God’s hands.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfill all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING to his PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
t8, DID YOU GET THAT??
The SAVIOR comes FROM a PROMISE according to David’s seed, NOT from pre-existing, not from a promise to send down some non flesh anointed spirit son. The promise was for God to beget David’s Son and make him His own Son, a Son of God as in a MAN fully led by God’s Spirit. The SAVIOR comes by God calling a MAN to righteousness, visiting him, making him a master over all the earth.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
t8, since before the world was Jesus of Nazareth a MAN of the seed of Abraham, Jesse, and David, a MAN approved of God, a MAN God ordained, a MAN God visited and rested His Spirit upon in fullness with power, would come to be our savior. Thousands of years later this Savior was BORN, and the angel was revealing it to the Shepherds.
We are saved BY God’s WORK, God’s Spirit resting upon a MAN, whom He perfected. The OT is CLEAR in giving prophecy/promises of what would occur in the future involving a HUMAN. You want to not apply any of it, instead you want to re-invent the savior, the Christ our Master.
How you read Luke 2:11, ignoring that the angel knows prophecy, knows God’s promise and is speaking of the child according to the person God promised to come before the world began, a man to be anointed, to be a savior, to be a master, YOU actually HAVE a PROBLEM with your OWN interpretation.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
If the baby born that day is not being called titles according to promises that would be fulfilled in him, (which is crazy to think otherwise, since it is in prophecy and then we see those titles take place once the child becomes a man and the Spirit descends upon him like a dove), then we are talking about the baby itself and what came to be that very day the baby was born, BORN that day a savior, which is Christ the Lord. So STILL t8 YOU HAVE NO PRE-EXISTENCE, you still have to add your own conclusions that are not written in scripture, of which fully ignore God’s promises.
You change the anointed from scripture given of the offspring of Jesse having God’s Spirit rest upon him, to a pre-existing anointed spirit. You change our master from a man who God directs all his ways, to a pre-existing spirit. You change our savior from being a man who God perfects, to a pre-existing spirit that then becomes a baby.
You say it is BECAUSE the baby pre-existed that we have a savior, a Christ, a Master. NO, that is against scripture directly given to you!!!!! It is BECAUSE of God’s Spirit resting upon a man in fullness that we have a Christ, a Master, and a Savior.
Hebrew 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he BECAME the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
The BABY was not perfect, the baby was not on the day of his birth our author of eternal salvation, the baby was the person of prophecy of God’s promise where he would grow with God’s grace upon him knowing to choose the good over the evil, be filled with wisdom to understand OT scriptures, to then reach the age of maturity where God would anoint him with the fullness of His Spirit and power, sending him out directing all his ways so that he could be for a light, so that he could LEARN obedience through suffering, as God had rested His Spirit of Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD upon him.
t8,
I SERIOUSLY cannot understand why you cannot address the passages I directly gave to you in my post before my last.
I gave you passages that directly give you our Savior, our Christ, our Lord from the OT.
You don’t have to look up the chapter and verse, I gave it to you. If you want a different translation you have the chapter and the verses. What is your problem here exactly? It doesn’t add up, you want to accuse Gene of not having a conscience?
Our Savior, our Christ, our Lord is a MAN promised to come according to direct OT scripture, and it is then verified in the NT. What there is NOT is a pre-existing non flesh anointed master who is our savior promised to come and be a baby. A man who God rests His Spirit upon in fullness is our Savior, Christ, Master.
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