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God ALONE made all things by His Wisdom and Power,
Jodi,
In the above you said the truth!
In the same instant,
DOMINATED BY YOUR CARNAL MINDED MENTALITY, you are completely BLIND and cannot see
THE GENUINE PURE AND CLEAR TRUTH! Read scripture:
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach
CHRIST CRUCIFIED: ( GLORIFIED MAN GOD ON THE CROSS)
unto the Jews indeed a stumbling block, and unto the Gentiles foolishness:
24But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks,
CHRIST,
THE POWER and WISDOM OF GOD.
In the above it is evidently clear that
CHRIST IS THE POWER , and WISDOM OF GOD!
Now the POWER of God is THE HOLY GHOST and
THE WISDOM of God is THE SON OF GOD. Jesus.
These two above mentioned DIVINES
ARE NOT TWO ANYMORE
BUT
TWO GLORIFIED IN ONE FLESH ON THE CROSS in
JESUS CHRIST
So when you said :
God ALONE made all things by
His Wisdom and Power,
YOU SIMPLY DECLARED THAT
AS MUCH AS GOD WAS ALONE, HE WAS ALSO WITH
HIS SON, WISDOM, and
THE HOLY GHOST, HIS POWER
CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE MORE THAN CERTAIN THAT GOD IS
THE MOST MYSTERIOUS EXISTENCE, NOT EVEN AN ENTITY, OR A BEING.
The fact that you said:
God ALONE made all things by
His Wisdom and Power,
I REPEAT FOR THE SAKE OF PURE TRUTH:
GOD WAS ALONE AS MUCH AS HE WAS NOT.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
HI T8,
YOU:Of course, logos is in God as it is part of his divine nature. So is truth. But Jesus said he was the truth, so taking your thinking Gene means that Jesus is God because he is truth. No so.
ME: Jesus is truth BECAUSE God gave him (a human) His Spirit without measure so that Jesus could speak the truth in God’s name. Jesus is truth because he reflects God’s promises fulfilled in him (a human), and because God’s promises are fulfilled by him (a human).
A man of flesh was to come, God was to be mindful of him and visit him, he was to have God’s Spirit rest upon him, be called to righteousness, and be sent out to the people to follow all of God’s ways, perform all of God’s will. In doing so he was a LIGHT to all people, a savior bringing forth eternal life, God’s purpose/will before the world was.
God made all things ALONE, by Himself, by REASON OF (through) this LIGHT, all things that God ALONE made, He did so FOR this LIGHT. The one who He was going to call to righteousness and be made into a firstborn of many brethren, giving him dominion over all the works of His hands over to, is the one God made all things FOR. God would not have made all things if it were not for this LIGHT. He would not have made the world WITHOUT the man who He planned to give the works of His hands to.
We see this same LIGHT, that came according to prophecy, receiving promises according to prophecy. He goes to sit at God’s right hand. He is the second HUMAN, a perfect HUMAN, a NEW HUMAN, a human who said that He LEARNED from God, a HUMAN who God said he had learned obedience and was made perfected through suffering.
t8, because you neglect to be mindful that God is all knowing, that He declared the END from the beginning, that prophecy given was in fact God’s WILL before the world was, and that in Jesus we see that which was God’s WILL from the beginning being made truth in the flesh, you turn passages into falsehood, you turn Jesus into a false image.
If you simple apply the given truth, the passages are speaking of JESUS, that God made the world by reason of and for JESUS, NOT revealing that Jesus pre-existed and God had him make the world for himself to receive dominion over it later in time.
Seriously t8, the scriptures tell you, God ALONE made all things, and God made Adam and gave him dominion over all the earth, but Adam sinned and DIED. God knew this would happen, He planned to rid sin and bring salvation before the world was. He made all things through that plan. God takes a man is mindful of him, visits him, calls him to righteousness, teaches him, directs all his ways, perfects him, makes him a firstborn Son of many brethren of eternal life, and gives this man dominion over all the earth, making him an eternal king over all kings, ruling on his father David’s throne over the house of Jacob forever.
Jesus KNEW of his glory, the Son of Man knew of his glory, the Son of Man asked God to give him the glory the Son of Man had OF God before the world was.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach
CHRIST CRUCIFIED: ( GLORIFIED MAN GOD ON THE CROSS)
ME: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
The Son of God is a perfect man “those that are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God”.
Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Carmel, the offspring of Jesse is called to righteousness, God rests His Spirit upon him, it is an ANOINTING, Jesus being Chrio MADE into the CHRISTOS according to Isaiah and then later by Jesus’s own revelation, where he quotes Isaiah. A call to righteousness is having God direct all your ways, you are fully led by the Spirit, no sin can be found in you. It is by being led by the Spirit, having God’s Spirit rest upon Jesus without measure, that he, the offspring of Jesse, is God’s Son. God had promised David, the son of Jesse, that He would beget David’s son and make him into His own Son.
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Carmel discuss Acts 10 please.
You have Jesus OF Nazareth, a man of the seed of David, and God ANOINTS him, Chrio, making him the Christos, and then God SENDS this man who is led by God’s Spirit out into the world, he is sent as God’s only begotten Son, he is the only mortal man who God rested His Spirit upon without measure, the only mortal man fully LED BY God’s Spirit to perform all of God’s will.
Carmel,
NO part of the equation in Isaiah’s prophecies hold a non flesh anointed one of a kind Son, who is going to come down to earth so he can be a MANGOD. No part of Acts in chapters 2, 10, 13, and 17, fit your doctrine, they speak against what is written.
YOU: CHRIST IS THE POWER , and WISDOM OF GOD!
ME: CHRIST means anointed, and Jesus was anointed with the Spirit of Wisdom and Understanding, of Council and Might, of Knowledge and Fear of the LORD. This is said to be GLORY that God would not give to any other according to Isaiah.
AND WHY we HEAR,
John say that the WORD became flesh, as Isaiah’s WORD of God BECAME true in the flesh of Jesus. Jesus was begotten of the Spirit/the Spirit rested upon him, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge, and Jesus is said to be filled with grace and truth as the only begotten of the Father.
If you don’t see that John’s words in 1:14 are the direct fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecies it is you that is BLIND.
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Acts and Jesus tell you WHEN Jesus was ANOINTED and WHEN he was SENT from heaven/FROM GOD, out into the world. He was ANOINTED and SENT AFTER the baptism John preached, when the Spirit descended upon him like a dove. First he was LED by the Spirit to be tested, when he came out of the wilderness he was full of the power of the Spirit and that is WHEN fame began to spread of him and that is WHEN he was being glorified by all. WHEN the Spirit descended upon him like a dove that is WHEN God said, “THIS is my beloved Son”, God was NOT talking about Jesus being his MANGOD, God was talking about JESUS being His Son, for God had just placed His Spirit upon him and was to lead him forth into the world to have him fulfill all of His will.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
So when you said :
God ALONE made all things by
His Wisdom and Power,
YOU SIMPLY DECLARED THAT
AS MUCH AS GOD WAS ALONE, HE WAS ALSO WITH
HIS SON, WISDOM, and
THE HOLY GHOST, HIS POWERME: NO I declared NO such THING!
There is ONE TRUE GOD and He created all things by himself, with His powers, with His Wisdom, with His will.
When He created it ALONE, by Himself, He had a REASON a PURPOSE for His creation. He created all things through (BY REASON OF) and FOR, the Son of Man that HE was going to make perfect so that he could be our source for eternal salvation to all who obey him.
WHY are we to obey him? Because he is the Son of Man who God gives dominion over all the works of HIS HANDS to. Why are we to obey him?.. because he judges not by his own eyes and ears but through the righteousness of God that God had called him into.
Jesus FIRST had to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness, according to Matthew 3. He had to be born again of Water and of the Spirit. When he came out of the water from his baptism the Spirit descended upon him like a dove it came to rest upon him, it was an anointing, for the purpose of sending him out into the world to PREACH of God’s kingdom. “Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God”, Jesus PREACHED that which God had anointed him to see, for he had been born again.
Religion starts with the compass point premise: “The Word” is Jesus…
…and then they try to fit all of Scripture around that premise.But there’s only one problem: Scripture no-where says that???
It’s instead clear from Scripture “The Word” God’s “Holy-Spirit:The Spirit is the word –> The words are spirit… (Pretty simple!)
Ed J, you have never satisfactorily answered this question.
If the Holy Spirit is the Word of God then why is the sword of the Spirit also the word of God?
The sword must confuse you because it must be pointless to you right?
and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
The Spirit is the word –> The words are spirit… (Pretty simple!)
As to your last sentence Ed J, there’s only one problem: Scripture no-where says that???
Hi T8,
Can I start a new thread where we can explore this farther?
as it does not really fit this thread… The Ordinary Jesus Brigade____________
God bless
Ed JEdj might be a good topic, because I believe all words are spirit, why? because they express the hidden thing of the heart (mind) of us all. That is why the word never actually became flesh “itself”, but came to be fulfilled, that is God’s word came true, it was FULFILLED by brining forth forth the “flesh man” JESUS, that is not saying Jesus “himself” is the word of God, but the fulfillment of The word, “God the Fathers word”. Jodi clearly showed that over and over.
Even JESUS plainly said “the words I am telling you are not “my” words, but the words of him who sent me. How much clearer can you get. When will these people start actually believing what Jesus himself said about the words he spoke to us?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene
You said: That is why the word never actually became flesh “itself”, but came to be fulfilled, that is God’s word came true, it was FULFILLED by brining forth forth the “flesh man” JESUS, that is not saying Jesus “himself” is the word of God, but the fulfillment of The word,
Come on Gene. Your really splitting hairs on this one. Wow it’s not saying Jesus Himself. Please
Gene do any of you work in the field for the Lord, which is Jesus Christ? It’s more about acting not words
God bless Gene try this make up some sandwiches and go out and give them to the homeless and help them get into a shelter or maybe give them a coat. Or put them in your house or garage.
God bless become a servant, a bond slave for the Lord, which is Jesus Christ.
Anthony and Carmel…….question for you both. Being the Jesus you quote is God almighty, then was his Faith in himself being he was a God in your eyes, and if that be true then explain this to us.
Rev 2: 13…. “I know thy works, and where thou dwellest even where Satan’s seat is: and thou hold my name, and has not “denied my faith”, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you where Satan dwells”.
Tell us Who was Jesus’ Faith in seening you say he was God himself. Aren’t you in that sense denying his faith in God, by saying he is God himself. Why would he ever need to have faith in anything else if he were God .
Anthony you call it splitting hairs, I call it speaking the truth, you sound like a typical clergyman, telling others to go do something for the lord, while all the time living off them, and taking money from the poor themselves to feed your own self. What I do for others is my business and I don’t need to make a show of it or tell anyone else about it either.
Now back to the question, who was Jesus’ Faith in, the only true God or himself? Can’t be both? So answer the question.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene
Maybe Carmel believes like that I don’t, I believe Jesus Christ is a God because His Father is, what about you. I believe in two beings and the only Begotten Son is lower then the Father that’s why He turns the Kingdom over His Father when it’s all said and done, redemption Gene. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and Son it’s the power and energy.
God bless Gene 🙏
Anthony well that true, it’s hard to get any of you people to believe the same almost about anything, but that doesn’t stop you from acting like you do, now does it?
If you were of the same spirit you would both, infact all here would agree on the same thing, when it comes to the word of God. But it is obvious that’s not the case here, right?
Your Jesus is not the same as the Jesus Jodi and I preach, in fact I don’t see anyone here that does completely, and are we not told, if they speak not according to these words, the truth is not “in” them?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Anthony the holy spirit is not the spirit of the Father “and” the Son, it is the Spirit of the Father that is “in” the son by the anointing he recieve after his baptizm by John, and the same spirit is “in” all that God the Father has given it to. one spirit, one God, in all and through all.
Anthony your Jesus is seperate from us humans, our Jesus is one of us humans. He is our living example how we must live to have the “exact same” relationship with God the Father as his has, not in some ways, but in every way.
Our Jesus shows us the way to have that “exact same” relationship with the Father as he has, your Jesus “seperates” him from us, and makes him the object of worship, our Jesus makes his God and our God, his Father and our Father the exact same being and the object of worship.
ANTHONY we don’t have the same Jesus as you people have, sorry to have to say that. May God help you all to come to the truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
I can’t help how you and Jodi believe, I definitely don’t believe like you two do.
Is this all you do speak try some doing.
I honestly think you two are false teachers and you know it.
I told you how I believe.
God bless
Hi T8,
Can I start a new thread where we can explore this farther?
as it does not really fit this thread… The Ordinary Jesus BrigadeOf course. You don’t have to ask.
🙂
Anthony. …yes, you don’t believe, not just Jodi and I, but like everyone here, tell us who does believe exactly like you do here?
At least Jodi and I see things the same here, and say the same things, over and over. But you people are like most modern trinitarian christanity who has a thousand or so different denomations and bibles, preaching different things from each other . Why is that ANTHONY, Can you all be right, Preaching different things from each other?
Did what you understand as the truth come from a existing religious organization, or from God the Father reveling the truth to you, we’re you taught by God or your church which you believe is of God? Remember what Jesus said ,
Mat 25 :15…. woe unto you scribes and Pharisies, hypocrites for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Anthony have you ever tried to make your own search for the truth, outside of what your church teaches? Why not try that for a change, ask God to show you “yourself” the truth, by the spirit of truth, not by the dictates of your organization you seem to belong to, you may be suprized what you can learn.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Anthony…..I am not trying to put you down or discourage you, but I honestly think if you would let go of some of those wrong teachings you may have accuired by some false church teachings along time ago, you may be suprised how scripture can fit together and make sound sense.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Gene
I left the church years ago, don’t you know you have to get out of Babylon Gene.we all we all believe a little different.
God bless
Anthony, I left the church I was in for seven years, when I came to see that they were teaching somethings that were not in line with scriptures, in the new testement. I had a several long talks with the minister and an elder, and when they finally agreed with what I saying, but insisted that the then head of that church, Herbert W. Armstrong, had the power to require it anyway, I then left that church, that church has sense broken up into several small splinter groups. Many left it and started their own churches. I am not afelated with any church at this time, but do believe that there are some true Churches, like for instances the “seventh day church of God”, and the Focus on the Kingdom group , these church groups I would attend if they were near me, but their not, so I just read their liticheur . I have studied the scriptures for many, many, years, I don’t go by any church teachings, I go by what I have learned myself whith Gods help, over the years.
I believe it is God himself by the power of his Spirit is what builds the Church, Just as Jesus told Peter.
“upon this “rock” that rock was the power of God to get into the mind of a person and “reveal” the truth to. Thats the power Jesus uses to build his church I believe.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
ME:
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach
CHRIST CRUCIFIED: ( GLORIFIED MAN GOD ON THE CROSS)
Jodi,
Your entire post does not DENY IN ANY WAY
THAT CHRIST CRUCIFIED
DID NOT GLORIFY
MAN GOD!
THE PURE FACT THAT PAUL OF ALL JESUS’ ENTIRE LIFE HE
PROCLAIMED JESUS THE SON OF MAN PRECISELY
CHRIST CRUCIFIED.
WHILE IN ACTUAL FACT IT WAS
JESUS THE SON OF MAN THAT WAS CRUCIFIED. NOT CHRIST
BUT HE, JESUS BECAME
CHRIST
IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH.
Well asserted in
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly that
God hath made both
Lord and Christ,
this same Jesus,
whom you have crucified.
ok Jodi?
THEY CRUCIFIED JESUS
BUT HE GLORIFIED AND BECAME
GOD MAN
WELL PREDICTED BY JESUS IN
John 13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified;
and God is glorified in him.
32 If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him
in himself:
and immediately will he glorify him.
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL
IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH JESUS BECAME CHRIST
GOD MAN
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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