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CARMEL…..THAT WAS THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH the man Jesus,
Nick teaches that Jesus is not the Christ, rather was an ordinary man like him and us. The Christ is a different entity namely the Spirit. Is this what you believe too?
t8,
Jesus was never
AN ORDINARY MAN,
despite he was
MADE
of the seed of, Abraham, David, and all the rest!
The fact that the WORD
SEED
Is used it PROVES that since Jesus was
OF THE HOLY GHOST
It is more than
CERTAIN THAT THE SEED IS
SPIRITUAL,
DIVINE
AS MUCH AS
HUMAN
LIKE ALL HUMANS
BUT NOT
AUTHENTIC TO HUMANS SINCE HUMANS WERE THE
CORRUPTED SEED
OF SATAN
THROUGH SIN!
Emphatically pronounced by God in
Genesis 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and
thy seed (satan’s) and her seed: (“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. Rev.13:8
precisely in CAIN ( Satan’s son) and through his seed in all generations of the earth
in relation to the
satanic FLESH and BLOOD.
Till Jesus redeemed all.
Consequently
He unified both the human blood and His divine blood and established
ONE BLOOD, ONE FATHER OF ALL FLESH
GOD OF ALL FLESH
Hereunder is scripture which clearly declares that Jesus is
BOTH LORD and CHRIST
Therefore let all the house of Israel know most certainly that
God hath made both Lord and Christ, this same Jesus, whom you have crucified.
YOU: THAT WAS THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH the man Jesus,
The only Spirit spoke through Jesus is
THE FATHER’S!
NO OTHER SPIRIT SPOKE THROUGH JESUS!
Jesus purposely is
THE UNIQUE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH
SIMPLY SO GOD THROUGH HIM BECOMES THE PROPRIETOR OF
ALL THE PHYSICAL!
ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD
WHEN GOD WOULD BE
ALL IN ALL
ALL SPIRITS IN ALL FLESH
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene, in my post I made it clear and said:
WHO IS THIS
HIM who raised up Jesus, what would you say?
Don’t tell me, God, since God is the source of ALL.
TRY TO BE SPECIFIC!
OK, Gene, I said: Don’t tell me God, that would have been a childish answer since God is the source of all.
YOU: CARMEL…..THAT WAS THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH the man Jesus,
All of a sudden you seem so SPIRITUALLY MINDED! Which to me it is quite a surprise since spiritual teaching is rather MYSTERIOUS, and you made it clear that you are not in favor of mysterious teaching.
Now you said: THAT WAS THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH the man Jesus,
How on earth the spirit speaks through Jesus if Jesus was DEAD?
I ASKED :
WHO IS THIS
HIM who raised up Jesus,
Jesus was dead, and a particular spirit, which Paul for a reason or another kept it unknown. Raised up Jesus.
Then you said:
the spirit of God
in all and
throught all, that in dwells Jesus as well as us who have it.
There you go, that’s what I never wanted you to say, THE SPIRIT OF GOD, which a child would have answered straight away. I made it clear:
BE SPECIFIC!
YOU: THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN ALL!
WHICH SPIRIT OF GOD! GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS!
Now IN ORDER TO KNOW WHO IS THAT PARTICULAR SPIRIT WHO LIVES IN ALL Let’s read scripture and also you will be aware what you actually said when you said:
THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN ALL!
1In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
In the above Gene it clearly says:
without him was made nothing that was made.
Consequently, Gene, whether you believe it or not it’s your problem
WITHOUT “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man , as a
SPIRIT OF GOD,
WAS MADE NOTHING THAT WAS MADE:
AND THAT’S INCLUDES YOU AND THE ENTIR E HUMAN RACE!
Colossians 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers. All things were created by him and in him. 17And he is before all: and by him all things consist.
In the above, it is more than clear that BY/IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man ALL WERE CREATED, AND
BY HIM ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man) ALL THINGS CONSIST!Now without a doubt, ALL THINGS CONSIST BY “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man,
As a SPIRIT OF GOD. Hence the entire creation is simply STANDS, and EXISTS, ALL IN
JESUS! The fact that He redeemed ALL. And through Him
GOD REDEEMED HUMANITY!
GOD IS OUR SAVIOUR!
But again through HIS OWN WORD MADE FLESH! And the most vital
NOTHING OF THIS PHYSICAL EARTH!
GOD IS SUBJECT TO NO ONE, AND NOTHING
NEVER MIND SUBJECT TO DAVID’S SPERM! PURE MADNESS!
The fact that “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man is the only
SPIRIT/MEDIATOR.
Between the spirit of the Father and His ENTIRE creatures.
SEALED IN THE PROCESS OF CREATION! Well mentioned in
John6:27 Labour not for the food which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father,
SEALED.
Consequently, Jesus is OFFICIALLY in all HEARTS/SOULS precisely from that most vital moment that He died on the cross. To be clear Gene:
IN THE SAME INSTANT JESUS DIED IN HIS FLESH,
HE LIVED IN FULL GLORY
ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS’SOUL
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH,
WAS HE REALLY DEAD?
This is specifically mentioned by Jesus in
John13:31When he( Judah) therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is
the Son of man glorified; (BECAME SPIRIT)
and God is glorified in him. (BECAME FLESH)
32If God be glorified in him, (IN THE FLESH, BECAME MAN)
God also will glorify him in himself: (IN HIS SPIRIT, BECAME GOD)
and immediately will he glorify him. (ON HIS DEATH!)
Consequently “ THE WORD” Jesus’ FLESH and the Holy Ghost in Jesus’ SOUL BECAME
LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST!
THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT!
Whether you believe it or not
GODMAN, AND ESTABLISHED HIMSELF
THE SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT OF GOD,
THE SPIRIT OF THE SON IN THE HEART OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE NO MATTER WHO AND WHAT
FOR EVER,
Pinpointed out in
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God hath sent
the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father.
Also well declared by Jesus, but to keep you in mind this is both MYSTERIOUS and SPIRITUAL:
John 8:35 Now the servant ( SATAN) abideth not in the house( THE HEART/SOUL) for ever: but the SON (“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, GLORIFIED AS THE SPIRIT OF THE SON) abideth for ever. If therefore the SON shall make you free, you shall be FREE INDEED.
Now Gene from the above it is emphatically clear that despite Jesus was dead in His flesh. attention Gene and Jodi please:
HE WAS THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT! GOT IT!
ARE YOU STILL BLIND? I reveal it to you in particular
In very SIMPLE, PLAIN ENGLISH”
Immediately on Jesus’ DEATH, “THE WORD” made flesh, DEAD,
BECAME OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!
IN FULL POWER OF GOD THE MIGHTY!
Isaiah 9:6, Thus between Jesus’ death THE FLESH BODY, and Jesus’ resurrection
BORN AGAIN FROM THE DEAD, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD!
And through Him, SINCE ALL IN HIM,
THE ENTIRE CREATION EMBODIED IN HIM.
THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS BORN AGAIN ANEW FROM THE DEAD.
THE ENTIRE CREATION BECAME
A NEW CREATION ALL IN JESUS, THE SON OF MAN: “THE WORD”
ON THE THIRD DAY! NEARLY THREE DAYS.
OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WAS
IN FULL POWER AND IN CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE CREATION!
NOW:
I ASK AGAIN:
WHO IS THIS
HIM
Who is so powerful and
who raised up Jesus? JESUS’FLESH!
Now Gene here comes one of your specialties regarding the mysterious hidden gospel,
JESUS’ FAVOURITES.
John14:10 Do you not believe that
I am in the Father and the Father in me?
The words (THE TEACHING) that I speak to you, I speak not of myself.
But the Father who abideth in me,
HE DOES THE WORKS,
THE TEACHING!
Now you said:
the spirit of God
in all and
through all, that indwells Jesus as well as us who have it.
In view of all the above, the only spirit that is in all AT ALL COSTS is
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man. Through His own blood.
Given as a ransom simply in exchange for our
Flesh and blood substance well asserted in
Luke 22:19 And taking bread……
This is my body, which is given for you…. 20In like manner, the chalice also, …..
This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.
In the above Jesus in plain simple English while holding the bread and the wine, symbolically
THE FLESH and THE SPIRIT, BOTH SATANIC AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME,
He practically said: From now on
THIS IS MY FLESH,….THIS IS MY BLOOD…..
THAT MEANT THAT SATAN BECAME
EMPTY HANDED FROM ALL WHAT HE DELUSIONALLY BELIEVED IT WAS HIS. Well clear in
Job 20:15 The riches which he hath swallowed,
he shall vomit up, and
God shall draw them out of his belly.
In the above, ALL THE SOULS SINCE ADAM, WHO WERE IN HELL,
SATAN’S BELLY, WERE ALL FREED ON JESUS DEATH!
BORN ANEW FROM THE DEAD!
Now you said………that indwells Jesus as well as us who have it.
Jesus had HIS FATHER IN HIM, Does that mean that
YOU, GENE HAVE GOD THE FATHER IN YOU AS WELL?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..such a long and twisted trail, that goes nowhere. Your biggest problem you simply do not know what a spirit really is ,nor what it can do. Even though Jesus explained it. Jesus is not now or ever was a spirit. You other big, big, big, problem you simply do not “believe” what Jesus himself said “clearly” said,
That they might know “you” the “only” true God, and Jesus whom you have sent”. And this scripture, BUT UNTO US (true believers) there is but “one” God and mediator between men and GOD, the “MAN” JESUS.
JUST THOSE TWO SCRIPTURES ALONE TARE DOWN ALL YOU FALSE AND TWISTED TEACHINGS ABOUT JESUS. One is from JESUS’ own mouth. As I said you simply do not believe what Jesus said, or you wouldn’t have all the problems with scripture you have. Anything yo u say that goes against st those two simple scriptures is a false teaching. No need for me or anyone else to go down one rabbit hole after another chasing false teachings, it’s just a waste of time.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
YOU: Carmel…..such a long and twisted trail, that goes nowhere.
Gene
YOU ARE A
BLA BLA PERSON
I repeat what I told you
unless you contradict me
specifically
using scriptures
MINE STANDS
YOU: Your biggest problem you simply do not know what a spirit really is, nor what it can do.
YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED OF THE ABOVE, BY SIMPLY,
SINCE you know A LOT about
WHAT A SPIRIT IS, IF YOU
SAID something
AGAIN: not just
BLA BLA BLA!
To be honest I don’t expect any LIGHT from you regarding SPIRITS.
Since you are totally
CARNALLY MINDED!
YOU: Even though Jesus explained it. Jesus is not now or ever was a spirit.
Colossians 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:
Gene, in the above, Jesus is the firstborn of every creature,
WHAT AND WHERE WAS JESUS IF HE WAS
THE FIRSTBORN OF
EVERY CREATURE?
16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers.
In the above,
ALL THINGS WERE CREATED IN JESUS!
WHAT AND WHERE WAS JESUS, IF ALL THINGS WERE CREATED IN JESUS?
All things were created by him and in him.
In the above:
ALL THINGS CREATED BY JESUS, AND AGAIN IN JESUS!
WHAT AND WHERE WAS JESUS IF ALL THINGS WAS CREATED BY HIM……
17And he is before all: .
In the above,
HE IS BEFORE ALL,
WHAT AND WHERE WAS JESUS IF HE WAS BEFORE ALL?
and by him, all things consist.
In the above,
ALL THINGS CONSIST BY JESUS!
NOW SINCE ALL THINGS CONSISTS BY HIM,
WHAT AND WHERE WAS JESUS IN THE VERY BEGINNING, SINCE ALL THINGS
HAD ITS BEGINNING.
IN THE VERY BEGINNING?
NOW READ SCRIPTURES GENE, and if you are in the position to do so
EXPLAIN WHAT THIS SCRIPTURE DECLARES:
1 John1:1That which was from
the beginning,
which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the word of life.
2For the life was
manifested:
and we have seen and do bear witness and declare unto you
the life eternal,
which was with the Father and hath
appeared to us.
Gene, Jesus
APPEARED
WHERE AND WHAT WAS JESUS BEFORE HE APPEARED!
HE MUST HAVE EXISTED IF HE APPEARED? NO?
YOU” You other big, big, big, problem you simply do not “believe” what Jesus himself said “clearly” said,
That they might know “you” the “only” true God, and Jesus whom you have sent”
Gene NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO SHOW your wisdom on heavennet for a change!
HOW HUMAN BEINGS CONFIRM SOMETHING
TRUE?
YOU: BUT UNTO US (true believers) there is but “one” God and mediator between men and GOD, the “MAN” JESUS.
Now how would you determine that a person is
A MEDIATOR?
YOU: JUST THOSE TWO SCRIPTURES ALONE TARE DOWN ALL YOU FALSE AND TWISTED TEACHINGS ABOUT JESUS. One is from JESUS’ own mouth. As I said you simply do not believe what Jesus said, or you wouldn’t have all the problems with scripture you have. Anything yo u say that goes against st those two simple scriptures is a false teaching. No need for me or anyone else to go down one rabbit hole after another chasing false teachings, it’s just a waste of time.
A PERFECT
BLA BLA BLA PERSON
UNLESS YOU CONTRADICT ME SPECIFICALLY USING SCRIPTURES
MINE STANDS
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……simple what does it say, “the “man” Jesus.
Any simpleton can figure that out, question is do you really believe it?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Carmel……simple what does it say, “the “man” Jesus.
Any simpleton can figure that out, question is do you really believe it?
Gene, even
CLEAR SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH YOU DIDN’T UNDERSTAND!
I didn’t ask you about
JESUS THE MAN!
Thanks to the Holy Spirit,
JESUS’ SEED, SPIRITUAL
I know about Him more than you think you know!
By the way:
I don’t believe that you answer either of those questions.
Here it is again
Now how would you determine that
a person is
A MEDIATOR?
This is the other one, just in case as you proclaim, OF WHICH I SINCERELY PRAY:
GOD GIVES YOU LIGHT
HOW HUMAN BEINGS CONFIRM ( JUDGE) SOMETHING
TRUE?
This is confirmed by Jesus in
John 8: 15 You ( HUMANS) judge according to the flesh: …..
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
TC……Job 19:26….And after my skin worms destory this body, yet “in my “flesh” shall i see God.
Bottomline you simply do not believe in the resurection of our Body, as scripture clearly shows. Jesus plainly told us he was “not” a spirit, and that was after he was resurected from the dead. You also deny the power of God “in” his creation, in which he lives.
You say God do not have a body, that is true because Jesus said God was a spirit, but you fail to realize God lives in and through his “physical” creation,so in asense our BODIES ARE HIS BODY TO, God did not make a mistake by creating a physical creation, in fact he said it was “very” Good. Why are you against what God has made, you also disagree with Jesus, who said he was not a spirit, after his resurection. Again you simply do not understand what our Bodies can be with God in us.
TC….if we did not need a physical body then why even have a resurection that wittness the redemption of our bodies.
Forcing our text to say what it does not actually say is bad form TC. NOT A SINGLE SCRIPTURE SAYS WE ARE RESURECTED AFTER WE DIE WITHOUT A BODY. PURE CONJECTURE ON YOUR PART TC.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE RESURECTION SHOWN IN THE VALLY OF DRY BONES, IN Ezekiel? Do you just tosse it out of your bible, as well as other things you disagree with?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
TC……Job 19:26….And after my skin worms destory this body, yet “in my “flesh” shall i see God.
Bottomline you simply do not believe in the resurection of our Body, as scripture clearly shows. Jesus plainly told us he was “not” a spirit, and that was after he was resurected from the dead. You also deny the power of God “in” his creation, in which he lives.
You say God do not have a body, that is true because Jesus said God was a spirit, but you fail to realize God lives in and through his “physical” creation,so in asense our BODIES ARE HIS BODY TO, God did not make a mistake by creating a physical creation, in fact he said it was “very” Good. Why are you against what God has made, you also disagree with Jesus, who said he was not a spirit, after his resurection. Again you simply do not understand what our Bodies can be with God in us.
TC….if we did not need a physical body then why even have a resurection that wittness the redemption of our bodies.
Forcing our text to say what it does not actually say is bad form TC. NOT A SINGLE SCRIPTURE SAYS WE ARE RESURECTED AFTER WE DIE WITHOUT A BODY. PURE CONJECTURE ON YOUR PART TC.
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE RESURECTION SHOWN IN THE VALLY OF DRY BONES, IN Ezekiel? Do you just tosse it out of your bible, as well as other things you disagree with?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Carmel…..why try to twist up a simple scripture to infer what it simply does not say, a mediator is exactly what it say , a person who represents two parties, “the man” Jesus, is that mediator, between GOD and man, any simplton can clearly understand what that scripture is clearly saying, only those who can not except it try to confuse it, like their minds are, as they do so may other scriptures.
Carmel you need to repent and throw out all your “mystery religious” teachings and come back to reality, if possible.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Carmel…..NOTHING WAS EVER CREATED BY the man Jesus. He did not even exist untill he was born through his mother Mary. He only existed in the “plan and will” Of God from the very beginning of God the Fathers creation of this earth and everything in it.
Isa 45:21-22…… tell YE, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together, who has declared this from ancient time? Have not I The LORD? AND THERE IS “NO” GOD ELSE BESIDE ME, a just God as a Saviour; there is “none” beside me.
Read verse 22, also.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
a mediator is exactly what it say, a person who represents two parties,
Apart that a mediator is not only between two parties, it is not what I asked!
I asked:
how would you determine that a person is
A MEDIATOR?
I make it clear for you and be specific for the sake of TRUTH.
If you have a quarrel with another person qualified in a different profession than you are, and the quarrel is related to both professions,
HOW FROM YOUR SIDE WOULD YOU ACCEPT A PERSON TO ACT AS A MEDIATOR?
You definitely never accept a person in the same profession as the one you have the quarrel with, simply as he would be
ONESIDED, and PARTIAL. The same applies to the other person.
Thus AN IMPARTIAL PERSON IS VITAL, and for a mediator to be an impartial person,
HE MUST FIRST OF ALL HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE OR ACQUAINTANCE WITH BOTH PROFESSIONS, IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND BOTH RESPECTIVE VIEWS OF THE QUARREL.
Now read scriptures:
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God: and
one mediator
OF GOD AND MEN
the man Christ Jesus:NOTICE: Not between god and men, but
OF GOD AND MEN!
THE MEDIATOR MUST BE BOTH AN ENTITYOF GOD, and OF MEN.
NOW TELL ME, HOW IS JESUS THE MAN, AN ENTITY OF GOD?
Galatians 3:20 Now a mediator is not
OF ONE:
BUT GOD IS ONE.
In this DELICATE case of a MEDIATOR from God’s side, why is it important in this scripture to STRESS that
GOD IS ONE?
MEN ARE MANY, any person can act
AS A MEDIATOR FOR MEN!
SIMPLY
A MERE MAN. LIKE A SON OF DAVID WOULD DO!
BUT GOD IS ONE!
And an ordinary man is not accepted since he represents ONLY MEN, MORTAL AND SATANIC OF EARTH.
NOW, IN ORDER TO SATISFY GOD’S CREDENTIALS
WHO WOULD BE A PERFECT MEDIATOR
Definitely
Jesus Christ both
DIVINE and MAN
THE PERFECT AND UNIQUE MEDIATOR
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
YOU: Even though Jesus explained it. Jesus is not now or ever was a spirit.
Gene, I wish you refer to scripture before you
QUENCH YOUR THIRST and reject
THE TRUTH:
1Corinthians 15:45 The first man Adam was made into a living soul;
the last Adam into
A QUICKENING SPIRIT.
What is Jesus Gene?
1John1: That which was from the beginning,
In the above, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT it is more than clear that Jesus
PRE-EXISTED AS A SPIRIT
which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled,
of THE WORD of life.
In the above Gene, again WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT ,
Jesus is “THE WORD” of life. EQUIVALENTLY:
THE SPIRIT OF LIFE.
Mentioned above in 1Corinthians 15:45
2For the life was manifested:
In the above, Gene
THE LIFE, “THE WORD” OF LIFE, Jesus, as a SPIRIT,
WAS MANIFESTED!
Why was it manifested?
Simple: Adam SINNED and DIED, consequently “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man as a spirit, the LIFE in Adam, was slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world. Simply
HIDDEN, like a treasure in a field.
Matthew 13:44 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a treasure hidden in a field……
and we have seen and do bear witness and declare unto you
the life eternal,
Definitely SPIRIT
LIKE HE IS IN YOU! BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
which was with the Father and hath appeared to us.
as clear as crystal Gene and Jodi,
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man as a SPIRIT
WAS WITH THE FATHER. PRE-EXISTED and had
APPEARED: PRE-EXISTED
John1:2 Dearly beloved, I write not a new commandment to you,
but an old commandment which you had
from the beginning.
A PRE-EXISTED SPIRIT
The old commandment is
the word
which you have heard.
1John2: I write unto you, fathers, because you have known him
who is from the beginning. ( a pre-existed spirit)
I write unto you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one. 14I write unto you, babes, because you have known the Father. I write unto you, young men, because you are strong,
and the word of God abideth in you,
(Jesus abides in humans at all costs. (Well clear in John 15:5 I am the vine: you the branches. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. )
and you have overcome the wicked one.
1John 23 23And this is his commandment: That we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as he hath given commandment unto us. 24And he that keepeth his commandments
abideth in him, and he in him.
And in this we know that
he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us.
Is Jesus a SPIRIT Gene?
1 John4:2 By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesseth that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Gene can you explain
WHERE FROM JESUS CAME AND IN WHAT STATE HE WAS?
SINCE HE CAME IN THE FLESH
1John5:11 And this is the testimony that God hath given to us
eternal life.
And this life is in his Son.
12He that hath the Son hath life.
He that hath not the Son hath not life.
Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God hath sent
the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father.
Gene, do not deny Jesus
AS A SPIRIT
IN YOUR HEART.
or else you won’t have life.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..NOTHING WAS EVER CREATED BY the man Jesus. He did not even exist untill he was born through his mother Mary. He only existed in the “plan and will” Of God from the very beginning of God the Fathers creation of this earth and everything in it.
Gene, The trouble with you is that
YOU ARE CARNALLY MINDED!
Your CARNAL MENTALITY WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO SEE
THE SPIRITUAL WAY OF CREATION!
NOW I ASK YOU A VERY CHILDISH QUESTION!
HOW DOES A PERSON BECOME
A NEW CREATION
WHILE HE IS STILL ON EARTH?
Read hereunder and discern FOR A CHANGE
THE SPIRITUAL
PURE TRUTH
Wherefore henceforth, we know no man according to the flesh. And if we have known Christ according to the flesh: but now we know him so no longer.
17If then any be in Christ a new creature,
the old things are passed away. Behold all things are made new.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel……it says “the man” JESUS , it does not say “the man/God ” Jesus. can’t you see how your false convictions cause to twist and force texts to say what in fact they do not say?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
YOU: Carmel…..NOTHING WAS EVER CREATED BY the man Jesus.
Gene, Read hereunder and I hope that it is written big enough for you to see
THE SPIRITUAL WORD OF GOD THE FATHER.:
John1:1 n the beginning was
THE WORD: and
THE WORD was with God: and
THE WORD was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
IN THE ABOVE IT IS WELL CLEAR THAT
ALL BEGINNINGS CAME BY “THE WORD” together with God.
3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
Gene are you still in doubt that
“THE WORD” WAS MADE FLESH IN
JESUS’ FLESH AND BLOOD BODY
THE SON OF MAN
That this Son of Man, since He was
MADE
Flesh at one stage, LIKE ALL HUMANS were, was also a
SPIRIT
A Divine spirit and also
3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.
Now the above is a clear scripture that
THIS WORD OF GOD,
Jesus was the source of all the THINGS which were MADE! Thus
He AS A SPIRIT was the creator of His own mother.
He as THE SPIRITUAL DIVINE SEED, since ALL IN/BY HIM, mentioned in
Genesis 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and
thy SEED(SATAN) and her SEED:(JESUS)
conceived Mary in her mother’s womb. SIMPLY as the scripture above says,
TO SHIELD MARY,
THE CARRIER OF THE DIVINE SEED, from Satan’s seed.
Pinpointed out in Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and effectual and more piercing than any two-edged sword; and
reaching unto the division of the soul and the spirit, of the joints also and the marrow:
and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
He himself FACE TO FACE with Satan kept her INTACT, and became
THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION.
ALL SPIRITUAL!
IN MARY in her mother’s womb!
He MADE Mary His unique ABODE from her conception precisely in her
HEART/SOUL.
THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS/HEARTS. OF THE NEW CREATION.Well declared on the cross by Jesus’own words:
WOMAN HERE IS YOUR SON……
He, in Mary, became THE FIRSTBORN female child in the lineage of David. Well mentioned in
Isaiah 9:6 For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us …….
Notice: When Mary was conceived by “THE WORD” in one instant, the Son of Man was in Mary, ALL SPIRITUAL, and
WHEN THE CHILD MARY WAS BORN, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN WAS IN HER, IN HER HEART AS A SPIRIT!
THE BEGINNING of the NEW CREATION with
A NEW HEART OF FLESH in HIMSELF! (“THE WORD “WAS MADE FLESH) As much as Satan IN A WAY became the beginning of
THE CURSED CREATION with
THE FIRST HEART OF STONE IN himself.
ON EVE’S SIN. precisely in her heart/soul.
MANY THAT ARE FIRST SHALL BE LAST, AND THE LAST SHALL BE FIRST!
Gene it’s not as you in your carnal mentality WITH EVERY RESPECT concluded that
..NOTHING WAS EVER CREATED BY the man Jesus.
Jesus, Gene , created all IN HIM as a SPIRIT, and
recreated all BY HIM ANEW as Man
ON HIS RESURRECTION
YOU: He did not even exist untill he was born through his mother Mary.
THAT’S RIGHT YOU’VE GOT IT AT LAST GENE!
WHEN MARY WAS BORN, IN FLESH
THROUGH HER JESUS WAS ALSO BORN
AS A SPIRIT IN HER SOUL/HEART
YOU SEE GENE THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE THROUGH YOU
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IN GOD’S WORK,
DESPITE MARY WAS BORN IN FLESH,
IT WAS ALSO “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN ASA SPIRIT THAT WAS BORN
IT IS THE SPIRIT, THAT GIVES LIFE TO GOD’S WORK.
GOD’S ESSENCE HIDDEN IN THE FLESH WHICH GOD IS PLEASED WITH.
GOD SIMPLY WAS MADE FLESH IN
“THE WORD” TO JUSTIFY HIS SPIRIT.
FIRST AS FEMALE IN MARY’S SOUL HEART, THEN
AS MALE IN JESUS’ FLESH AND BLOOD BODY! I repeat BOTH
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
MALE and FEMALE androgynous LIKE GOD IS!
FOR THE PLEASURE OF THE FATHER TO LIVE AS MAN ON EARTH IN
HIS SON
YOU: He only existed in the “plan and will” Of God from the very beginning of God the Fathers creation of this earth and everything in it.
That’s right Gene,
THE ABOVE IS THE ACTUAL PLAN AND WILL OF GOD from the very beginning of God the Fathers creation of this earth and everything in it.
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND NALL FOR HIM
Isa 45:21-22…… tell YE, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together, who has declared this from ancient time? Have not I The LORD? AND THERE IS “NO” GOD ELSE BESIDE ME,
a just God as a Saviour;
there is “none” beside me.
NOW IT IS YOUR TURN TO REVEAL THE TRUTH
HOW GOD THE FATHER BECAME
A JUST GOD AS A SAVIOUR!
Just to remind you, Gene, in case Satan interferes with your revelation hereunder is the right scripture to be your guide!
Hebrews 1:8 But to
THE SON (JESUS CHRIST)
: Thy throne, O God, ( GOD OF ALL FLESH)
is for ever and ever: a sceptre
of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom. ( IN ALL THE PHYSICAL)
9Thou hast loved
justice and hated iniquity:
therefore God,
thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10And: Thou in the beginning, O Lord, (ON YOUR RESURRECTION)
didst found the earth: and the works of thy hands are the heavens. ( THE NEW CREATION RECONCILED ALL IN JESUS CHRIST)
11They shall perish: (IN THEIR FLESH)
but thou shalt continue:( AS THE LIFE OF ALL FLESH)
and they shall all grow old as a garment. (IN THEIR FLESH)
12And as a vesture
shalt thou change them,( FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT)
and they shalt be changed.
But thou art the selfsame: (THE DIVINE LIGHT)
and thy years shall not fail. (ETERNAL)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
YOU: Even though Jesus explained it. Jesus is not now or ever was a spirit.
Colossians 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:
Gene, in the above, Jesus is the firstborn of every creature,
WHAT AND WHERE WAS JESUS IF HE WAS
THE FIRSTBORN OF
EVERY CREATURE?
ME: 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Paul is speaking of the man who shed his blood for our sins is he not?
At the time Paul spoke this man was sitting at God’s right hand, having been raised from the dead. Was he not raised to life becoming a firstborn over all creation? YES he was!
Paul tells us that Jesus, was MADE PERFECT through suffering, no doubt as God had called him to righteousness where he would not fail as God had given prophecy saying that He would direct all his ways.
Paul tells us that the Son of God is a PERFECT MAN. We are TOLD DIRECTLY that a MAN was prophesied to come and God would CALL him to RIGHTEOUSNESS, where God would DIRECT ALL his WAYS. Are you not made perfect by learning from God and having Him DIRECT ALL your ways? Did Jesus not say that he was TAUGHT by God?
God told us that He made man in His image, and Paul declares of the man that shed his blood, that “he” is the image of the invisible God.
Paul is NOT speaking of a pre-existing Son being the image of the invisible God and that this pre-existing Son was the first creature that God created. Paul is speaking of the MAN who SHED HIS BLOOD, who God perfected through suffering on the cross, the man that was taught by God, the man that had been called to righteousness where God did hold his hand and keep him, HE IS the image of the invisible God, he was MADE into that image of God by the WORK of God’s Spirit that rested upon him, having received that which is of God’s image, GRACE and TRUTH, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD.
Paul was declaring that the man who shed his blood, who was at that moment sitting at God’s right hand, that he IS the firstborn over all creation. Paul speaks further clarifying what he is saying by telling us that he is the BEGINNING, NOT the beginning of a world that turned to sin, but a beginning of a world of righteousness, where he is a firstborn…OF the dead, SO that by being the firstborn OF the dead, in everything he might have the Supremacy.
Did you catch that Carmel, Paul says that Jesus has supremacy because he is the firstborn of the dead.
God made all things through and for the one who He would give supremacy to, the firstborn OF the dead overall creation. It is the man that God gave prophecy of who would come, who God would be mindful of and visit, who He would make a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death to then crown this man with glory, giving this man dominion/supremacy over all the works of God’s hands….Psalms 8:7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
How does David’s prophecy fit with that of Isaiah’s? READ and found out,
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’ den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
THIS is the creation that Jesus is firstborn overall OF. He didn’t pre-exist, he CAME from the lineage of Jesse, he was a Son of Man coming forth from promises that God had made, not coming from a pre-existing non flesh Son, coming from prophecies concerning a MAN.
God made all things for the purpose of man to come to have eternal life. God made all things having declared the END from the beginning, why we are told that God had promised man eternal life before the world was, and we see Jesus, the Son of Man as our hope, because he is said to be the firstborn of the dead of many brethren and he was raised from the dead given eternal life.
The END that was God’s WORD from the beginning is humans having eternal life dwelling in righteousness, having been perfected. The end is where animals are no longer wild but live in peace. Jesus is the firstborn over all the earth of this creation, not the creation that turned to sin and death, but the creation of righteousness and peace.
For Carmel
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
For Jodi
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
For Gene
No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
T8…..I believe that, God the father has been very good to me in my life. Has blessed the works of my hands, has also desiplined me when needed. He has shown me a lot of truths in scriptures. I have posted to you the last thing he has shown me, about Rev 17 :10, you are the first to recieved this, please read it, and see how it makes things fall into place.
T8…… I HAVE NEVER SAW THAT IN ANY INTERPUTATIONS OF THOSE SCRIPTURES YET, I am in the process of editing it and will be sending it out to a few other sites, it is definitely the KEY to understand Rev 17 :10. You can edit it if you like.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
WITHOUT “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man , as a
SPIRIT OF GOD,
WAS MADE NOTHING THAT WAS MADE:
AND THAT’S INCLUDES YOU AND THE ENTIR E HUMAN RACE!
ME: Scripture speaks AGAINST YOU CARMEL. Not only that but you speak treating God’s own words, His own promises, as if they are worthless, just meaningless garbage to you, and then you follow your OWN words and give to scriptures your OWN understanding.
WITHOUT God resting his Spirit upon the son of Jesse, anointing him, CALLING him to righteousness and then sending him out into the world where God holds his hand and keeps him for a covenant, a LIGHT for all people, NOTHING would have been made by God.
Without a MAN of FLESH being called to righteousness having God’s Spirit rest upon him, the Spirit of Wisdom, of Understanding, of Council and Might, of Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, the MAN Jesus of Nazareth would have never gone to the cross to pay the penalty for our sins, bringing forth eternal life.
Jesus is NOT a “Spirit of God”, that is a FULL BLOWN LIE, he IS a HUMAN who has God’s Spirit REST UPON him, of which Jesus directly calls as HIS ANOINTING, Jesus was CHRIO made into a CHRISTOS and God then sent this anointed human out into the world. You are told directly in Acts that Jesus WAS MADE both Lord and the Anointed One, by God. You are told by Jesus, the MAN himself, that God came and rested His Spirit upon him, an ANOINTING, and he was SENT to preach God’s word and to deliver captives.
Here is SIMPLE TRUTH for you Carmel, Do tell me what is FALSE about the below statements.
The son of Jesse who God PROMISES to call to righteousness according to the prophet Isaiah, is God’s word fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth. We SEE Jesus as God’s fulfilled word, as HE IS A MAN who God rested His Spirit upon as God had promised, anointing him, sending him out to PREACH, not his own words, but that of God’s word.
In Jesus was see God’s own word fulfilled. By Jesus we hear God’s word being spoken, God had given him the Spirit without measure to do so!! The word of God that became true in the flesh of Jesus, and the word of God that was spoken by the man in the flesh Jesus, was God’s word before the world was.
EXAMPLES for you Carmel,
God’s word that had been WITH God before time began, was revealed by God to the prophets, and then was made true in the flesh of Jesus,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
God’s word that had been with Him before the world was, and was given to the anointed Jesus of Nazareth to preach,
Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Carmel, the Son of Man Jesus of Nazareth is God’s WORD, for he is the fulfillment of God’s word that had been WITH God from the beginning. He is also God’s word, as the man Jesus was sent out to speak God’s word, Jesus beginning in Galilee came to the people in God’s name, preaching God’s Gospel.
What ELSE is a SIMPLE TRUTH?
That God out of all creation made man/Adam into His OWN image, and He gave man/Adam dominion overall the works of His hands. Jesus is the man/Adam who God called to righteousness, who God was mindful of and visited, who God directed all his ways so that he would not fail, who God perfected through suffering, and then was not worthy of the punishment of death, he was worthy of eternal life and eternal dominion over all the works of God’s hands. He was worthy to become the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, master over all of the earth, a king of kings.
The Son of Man is returning in the glory of his Father, he is a Son as he is fully led by God’s Spirit, following all of His ways, he will not judge by his own eyes and ears. He is the son of David, declared to be the Son of God ACCORDING to the Spirit of Holiness by his resurrection from the dead. He is going to lead man into proper dominion over God’s creation, dominion that reflects the fruits of God’s Spirit, dominion over the earth that is in full unity to God’s ways. Peace among all of God’s amazing living things.
I cannot wait for my King’s return, to follow my brother and be joined with him as a joint heir of God, dwelling on earth in God’s image with the whole world at peace, enjoying our Creator’s most amazing earth just as He had planned and had intended for humans to dwell.
The cosmos was created by God through the Word of God.
The cosmos was created by God through the Son of God.
Which was the agent God created the cosmos through? Was it one or both. Or could it be that it was both but that both are one and the same. After all, he is called the Word of God and both Jesus Christ and the Word came in the flesh.
I marvel at the debates that happen here and elsewhere. One side says that Jesus is God and the other says a man only. But scripture tells the truth when it identifies him as the Word of God, the messiah, the Son of God, and the saviour.
I prefer the latter because I believe that scripture was inspired by God. But many have their own opinions outside of scripture.
I believe the truth is revealed to those who have a true heart and are humble. Others have puffed up pride and think they are wise and God resists them.
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