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Carmel your so confused, you don’t even know if you’re a foot or horseback. Jesus flesh body counted form my salvation, and God the Father thought it was important enough, to accept it as the payment for my sins.
Gene,
back to square one again!
I wrote
SIMPLE PLAIN ENGLISH
You I’m afraid didn’t understand WHAT YOU ARE MAD ABOUT!
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING
WHEN IT COMES TO GOD! WHY?
IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT COUNTS! WHY?
IT IS HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE TO ALL WHAT HE CREATES AND DOES! WHY?
JESUS’ FLESH was NOT
JUST FLESH MR. GENE!
BUT ALSO SPIRIT, MANIFESTED ON MOUNT TABOR!
AND GOD IS MORE THAN RICH IN SPIRIT.
In Genesis 1: 1 GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH. BUT
BOTH HEAVEN AND EARTH were actually
SPIRIT in God’s harmony!
THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE IS FULL OF HIS SPIRIT DESPITE IT IS
PHYSICAL
AND IF GOD REMOVES HIS SPIRIT ALL BECOME
DUST well clear in
Psalm 104:29 But if thou turnest away thy face, they shall be troubled:
thou shalt take away your spirit, and they shall fail, and shall return to their dust.
Now to be simple and clear!
HOW HUMANS ON EARTH GENERATE
FLESH?
THROUGH SATANIC SEX OK? do you know what that means MR TRUTH!
That means that if sex is not productive, not functioning, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS!
BY BY FLESH!
BUT GOD DESPITE WITHOUT SEX, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS!
HE PRONOUNCES
“THE WORD” and there it is MR GENE!
YOU’VE GOT THE FLESH!
“THE WORD” MADE FLESH JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!
THAT’S WHY
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD!
THAT’S WHY JESUS WAS BORN OF A WOMAN WITHOUT THE USE OF SEX!
HE COULD HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT THE WOMAN AS WELL! BUT FOR OUR SALVATION SAKE HE HUMBLED HIMSELF AND ACCEPTED TO COME OUT OF A WOMAN, IN A WAY, AGAIN NOT, IN THE SAME WAY, SATANIC HUMANS COME OUT.
THAT’S WHY JESUS IS BORN IN ALL THINGS
ONLY like
HIS BRETHREN AND
NOT AUTHENTIC TO HIS BRETHREN!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
TC…..Where have I ever said I am a prophet of God? I HAVE SAID I believe God has shown me the truth of some things. In fact I know he has. I never told anyone to trimble at my words, so you are not only a decieved person, but are a liar as well? As far as Jesus flesh body goes , if he didn’t sacrifice it, to the will of God, we would not have recieved forgivness of our sin, so I think his “physical body” sacrifice is very important to us all.
Peaceand love to you and yours. ……..gene
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Quote: “TC…..You and your coharts, have been weighed and found wanton, you have rejected what we have quoted you directly from scriptures over and over. These are not “our” sumations of what they say, they are “direct” quotes from scripture. WHICH YOU AND YOUR COHARTS CHANGE TO FIT YOUR PERSONAL “FALSE” TEACHINGS. ANYONE WHO HAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN THEM CAN “EASILY” UNDERSTAND THEM JUST AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. No need for your own personal twists to try to make them mean something else that is not clearly written. The supposition you preach are just that “your suppositions” and are not of God, at all, but of the evil one.
We believe in our lord Jesus, and see him as a real flesh and bone “human being” who will soon return to this earth just as he left it,in the same resurected body that lives for ever.
I personally could care less if you believe it or not, the truth will stand no matter what you false accusers preach anyway. You say exactly to us what the Pharisies said to Jesus, they like you accused him of being of the devil. So i see that as saying we must be doing a job, seening you simply can’t stand the truth of the written word, but then neither could they.”Me:
Daniel 5:25 And this is the writing that was written, Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin. 26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. 27 Tekel; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Hi Carmel,
Gene is right, and you are continually given scriptures that you do not answer to.
This one that Gene gave,
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
ME: corruption – Phthora – that which is perishable
YOU: explain HOW the above STATE WAS ESTABLISHED!
ME: Man disobeyed God, he did not follow God’s commandment, his punishment was DEATH and the RESULT of death is that YOU PERISH, your LIFE is GONE and your body DECAYS becoming dust of the earth.
Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
Deuteronomy 8:19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.
Deut 28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Jodi….AMEN sis. These people do not read the quoted scriptures we post, nor do they even care, they just ignore them as if they were not even in their scriptures. They are altogether useless to the work of God, and have fallen headlong into the cruption of the truth, to their own destruction.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Gene is a man who knows the Trinity Doctrine is false, unfortunately replaced it with something else that is false. He takes an opposite view to many important tenets and teachings found in scripture.
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Matthew 1:18
This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph,1 John 4:15
We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.John 1:1 4
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Hi t8,
Seems to me that if we say that we believe the words of the prophets, then according to you we are in error. Seems to me that if we say that the Son of Man is sitting at God’s right hand and is returning to earth to sit on his father David’s throne according to the flesh, we speak in error according to you.
Why not just come out and say it t8, it is not us that is in error, it is scripture itself that you oppose at truth.
T8…..What you and they do is pull a very few scriptures out that you can force a conclusion to, all the while ignoring the hundreds of scriptures that show you conclusions are not accurate, truth is found in the “sum” of God’s word, not just one sentence that can be forced to say or draw a conclusion that is against the rest of scriptures. Haven’t you noticed the hundreds of scriptures we have used to put thing in there proper place, and give a clear overall understanding of the subject matters. Why don’t you deal with those scripture instead of just ignoring them as if they wern’t even in your biblical text, as the other people do here.
But you are right in this, I do not agree with the trinity at all nor any of there teachings about anything else either, espically about the “preexistence of Jesus, before his birth on this earth. You on the other hand are half way out, of those false teachings, but fail to come all the way out, like being Luke warm, bad form T8. You don’t seem to understand the depth of false Christanity’s teaching, nor how far it reaches into the mind of those decieved people.
T8, I am telling you like a beloved brother, that JODI AND I are telling you the truth, listen to us, we know what were saying is true. The spirit of truth has reavealed it unto us. We are two bearing witness to you and this site. Stop fighting us and maybe this site will start to grow and the lord will bring more here to hear the truth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
To All,
This is what I believe,
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
The OT gives prophecy of a man to come, NT gives us the fulfillment of that man who did come. OT and NT gives us prophecy of this same man returning.
Our One True God DECLARED the END from the beginning, the coming forth of this man of the tribe of Judah, is from prophecy, ancient times, his coming is according to the eternal God before time on earth began.
Our One True God by His Powers according to His Spirit created man with a spirit to walk therein. God can share those Powers of His Spirit with man, why it is said that God made man in His own image. We see in Isaiah 11 God anointing a man with the fruits of His Spirit, and by those fruits this man is great, by those fruits he is the image of God, by those fruits he is appointed a master and a savior. This man who God was mindful of, visiting him with His Spirit, calling him to righteousness to direct all his ways for evermore, is given dominion over all the works of God’s hands, “Psalm 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.”
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT IN all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Son of Man who came as was promised according to prophecy, to make peace through his blood, he was raised from the dead becoming a firstborn, that he might have FIRST place in all things. Without this man we would all be DEAD eternal because of sin, but because of him, all things consist, as he reconciled the world. It pleased the Father that IN him, this man who who God was mindful of, resting His Spirit upon him, AN ANOINTING, that all the fullness should dwell. That fullness was a calling to righteousness, where God would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant, a LIGHT for all people. God would DIRECT ALL his ways so that he would obey God’s will, not his own, going to the cross to shed his blood. This MAN in whom ALL the fullness dwells via God anointing him with His Spirit, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and fear of the LORD, he is before all things and by him all things consist, because without him, we would be DEAD eternally.
28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Jesus does nothing of himself, it is all by God’s anointing Spirit that rests upon him.
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Acts 2:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 For as much then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that MAN whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
God ORDAINED a MAN!! He is of the ONE blood that God made all nations to dwell upon. God had determined the time before appointed that this man would dwell on earth sitting on Davids throne, to reign over the house of Jacob forever.
T8…..What you and they do is pull a very few scriptures out that you can force a conclusion to, all the while ignoring the hundreds of scriptures that show you conclusions are not accurate, truth is found in the “sum” of God’s word, not just one sentence that can be forced to say or draw a conclusion that is against the rest of scriptures.
There are two major errors in your statement above. You need to slow down and read what I’m saying because you don’t seem to get it for some reason. Could be willful ignorance or perhaps you actually just don’t read anyone’s posts except Jodi’s.
- There are a ton of scriptures that prove what myself and others teach, not a few.
- The scriptures you quote do not contradict the view I hold, they fit right in perfectly despite you saying they do not. Jesus was a man and a prophet. But I prefer the complete picture which is all the scriptures.
You play off the scriptures that clearly teach things about Jesus you disagree with using scriptures that you think teach otherwise, when in actual fact they do not.
I will give you a lengthy list of scriptures in the next post that you deny or teach a position that you are against.
Before all ages
John 8:58
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!“Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham, the father of the Jews. The words ‘I am’ mean ‘I exist’. So Jesus claimed existence before Abraham. We can see that Jesus is getting older as we explore the scriptures. But how old?
Jude 1:25
to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.Here we can see that majesty, power, and authority through Jesus Christ is before all ages (all worlds) and forever more into the future. This strongly implies that Jesus existed even before all things. But can we substantiate this?
Did Jesus exist before all creation?
Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.Colossians answers the question outright. It states that “He is before all things“. But are there other verses that support this idea?
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.So there is nothing that was made that didn’t involve Jesus being there. This verse alone answers the question because the universe, angels, and men were made and Jesus was present when they were created according to these verses. In case that is not enough to convince you, I also add another clear verse that says the same thing.
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.Is Jesus the Word of God?
But some say that this is talking about the Word and not all believe that Jesus is the Word of God. They argue that Jesus came from the Word, but is not the Word itself that was with God in John 1:1. If you believe this, then please explain the next two verses within their wider context:
Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.Colossians 1:15-18
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.Okay, if you are honest, this is a closed case. God created all things through the Word. Jesus is called the Word of God and also the son of God. We are also told that God created all things through the son of God. Even if you do not believe that Jesus is the Word, then you still have to believe that Jesus pre-existed on account of him being the son of God. But what we know from scripture is that Jesus existed as the Word of God before he came as a man called Jesus. We know that the Word became flesh.
More proof verses
If Jesus pre-existed, then you might expect that even though the above verses are clear, there would be more verses that teach or at least imply that he pre-existed. So let’s see if this is the case.
Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”Here we see that Jesus is the offspring of David, yet he is also the root of David, which at appears to show existence before King David. He also claims to be the bright Morning Star and we read in Job how the Morning Stars were present when God created the Earth.
Job 38:6-7
“On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?Luke 10:18
He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.Comparing Luke 10:18 with Revelation 12:1-10, some say that Satan and his angels fell to the earth before the birth of Christ as a man. If this was the case, then Jesus saw an event that took place before he was born as a man. However, others argue that Satan hasn’t fallen to the Earth yet, or that he has, but Jesus saw this in a vision. Regardless, it certainly doesn’t contradict that Jesus pre-existed.
Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”The above verse talks about someone who will rule Israel and whose origin is from ancient times. Who but Jesus could fit that description?
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was theos/god/divine.John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, [ 1:14 Or the Only Begotten] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.Clearly, Jesus was with God in the beginning as the Word of God. This places his existence as before all things and thus comes as no surprise that he was there when God created all things.
The Angel of YHWH
We know from certain scriptures that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and many assume that Jesus gave the Law of God. We are told in Acts:7:30-39 for instance that an Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses through whom God spoke and this is the same Angel who spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai and passed on the living words (The Law) to Moses.
30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in the desert near Mount Sinai.
31 When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to look more closely, he heard the Lord’s voice:
32 ‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.
33 “Then the Lord said to him, ‘Take off your sandals; the place where you are standing is holy ground.
34 I have indeed seen the oppression of my people in Egypt. I have heard their groaning and have come down to set them free. Now come, I will send you back to Egypt.’
35 “This is the same Moses whom they had rejected with the words, ‘Who made you ruler and judge?’ He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God himself, through the angel who appeared to him in the bush.
36 He led them out of Egypt and did wonders and miraculous signs in Egypt, at the Red Sea and for forty years in the desert.
37 “This is that Moses who told the Israelites, ‘God will send you a prophet like me from your own people.’
38 He was in the assembly in the desert, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living words to pass on to us.
39 “But our fathers refused to obey him. Instead, they rejected him and in their hearts turned back to Egypt.So is this Angel of the Lord, Jesus? Well it seems possible. Perhaps the correct model to look at is the one mentioned in Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
Here we can see that the order of the Revelation started with the Originator which is God. He then passed the message to Jesus Christ who in turn sent it to his Angel and then to John. So perhaps it is possible that the angel in Revelation is the same angel mentioned in Acts:7:30-39.
But the Angel of YHWH or Angel of the LORD is described as one like the son of gods.
Daniel 3:24-25
Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astounded and stood up in haste; he said to his high officials, “Was it not three men we cast bound into the midst of the fire?” They replied to the king, “Certainly, O king.” He said, “Look! I see four men loosed and walking about in the midst of the fire without harm, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!”The idea that a preincarnate Jesus was this Angel of the LORD is a popular one. We know that this Angel of the LORD is never mentioned while Jesus is walking the earth which supports this idea. But it could also be a coincidence. One connection that can be made with Jesus being this messenger is found in Judges 13:18.
Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that when your words come to pass, we may honor you?” But the angel of the LORD said to him, “Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful?”
Now read what Isaiah prophesied in Isaiah 9:6 .
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Clearly, Isaiah was speaking of Jesus Christ and note that he was called Wonderful Counselor. Is there a connection here? Perhaps. What we do know is the word ‘angel’ is the same word messenger in the Old Testament, and while it is held that Jesus is not an angel in kind, we know he certainly was a messenger of YHWH and would be fair to say even ‘The Messenger of YHWH’.
So the idea that he may be this angel is not that far fetched. Some vehemently oppose this idea, but they are not aware that both Jesus and John are called angels in the messenger sense.
More to come here……
More proof that Jesus pre-existed
Rev 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.Moving on we read the following in Philippians 2:5-11
5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Surely the above verses assumes preexistence. Look at verse 7: ‘but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness’. This verse points out that Jesus humbled himself to become a (or like a) human and also a servant. So this suggests to us that he preexisted in a higher state because to humble oneself is to become lower. If he started life in this humbled state, then it would be incorrect to say that he humbled himself. Further, he “found himself in appearance as a man” is a weird statement to make if he first existed as a human baby.
This verse is often used in support of the trinity doctrine because of the word ‘equal’. But if you are equal to something it means that you are not that thing, rather you are like that thing. This scripture is also very clear about the following: The Father is God and Jesus is Lord and that God exalted Jesus to the highest place.
A closer look at verse 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Now I am not sure if Jesus was exalted higher than he was before he came to this world or whether he was exalted to the exact position that he had before. But if we look at John 17:5 again we can see that Jesus asked to return to his former glory.
John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.The above verse is clear about Christ’s pre-existence in glory before the world began. Just to prove this is not an isolated scripture here is a similar verse:
John 16:28
I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”The next verse also confirms that Jesus pre-existed in Heaven.
John 3:12-15
12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven, the Son of Man.
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.Ezekiel 8:1-3
1 In the sixth year, in the sixth month on the fifth day, while I was sitting in my house and the elders of Judah were sitting before me, the hand of the Sovereign LORD came upon me there.
2 I looked, and I saw a figure like that of a man. From what appeared to be his waist down he was like fire, and from there up his appearance was as bright as glowing metal.
3 He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he took me to Jerusalem, to the entrance to the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood.This verse is interesting in the sense that the description is very similar to the description of Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:12-18,
12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
13 and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.
14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.
15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.Have a look at the next verse. 1 Corinthians 11:3 (English-NIV)
Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.Now the word head in the Greek is ‘kephale’ which can mean head, source or master. Now if we notice the order in a time sense, we have to admit that God is the first as he is the only one who has existed for all eternity with no beginning. We also know from scripture that the man came first and the woman came from the man. So that part is correct if we use a timeline. That just leaves Christ. Did he come between God and Man. I think so, as I believe that all things came from him and this opinion does fit perfectly into this model in a time sense at least. Anyway the word Christ here is ‘Christos’ which means “anointed”. So the anointed is the head of Man.
God > Christ > Man > WomanIf God created all things for his Son and his Son was the channel for that creation to come into being, then we can only assume that Christ existed at this point. As Genesis says: Let us make Man in our image. God was talking to Christ at this point and we know that Christ is the image of God and we are the image of Christ. Therefore the image of the image of God (man) is still the image of God. But Christ is the original and first image and we can only assume again that that image existed before the image of the image. A bit like a mirror that reflects a mirror, the original mirror has to exist in order to reflect the second mirror.
So we know that Christ preexisted before creation and now we will look at some more scriptures that show that he was born before creation itself?
Colossians 1:15-16
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.The above verse is quite clear that ALL things were created by or through Jesus.
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.So again, there is nothing that was made that didn’t involve Jesus/The Word being there. Only the Father and Son were not made. God has always existed and the Son was born from God before the creation of the universe, before anything was made. The next verse describes clearly who/what was the first of God’s works.
Proverbs 8:22-30
22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, {[22] Or ; or } {[22] Or ; or } before his deeds of old;
23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,This verse is talking about Wisdom, whom many believe is Christ. This scriptures compliments other scriptures that that teach that Jesus was given birth by God and then created all THINGS though him.
So from this verse we can see the following points.
Wisdom was brought forth as the first of Gods works.
Wisdom was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began.
Wisdom was given birth before creation.
Wisdom was the craftsman at his side and rejoiced in his presence before creation.
Some say that Wisdom isn’t Christ, rather this is just wisdom in a conceptual sense and it is true that wisdom is being spoken of in that way. But from verse 22 onward it changes tempo. With terms like I was given birth, I was the craftsman at his side and I was filled with delight, we have to admit that it seems to be talking about a person. Now have a look at the following verses:1 Corinthians 1:24 (English-NIV)
but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.1 Corinthians 1:30 (English-NIV)
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God–that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.Let’s look at some other concepts that Jesus personifies:
Jesus is the Truth. Yet truth is also a concept.
Jesus is the Way. Yet the way is also a concept.
Jesus is the Life. Yet life can also be a concept.
Now look at the following mystery:1 Corinthians 2:6-9
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 However, as it is written:
“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him”Ephesians 3:8-10
8 Although I am less than the least of all God’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,Conclusion
These scriptures paint a picture for the reader, but some are bent on dismantling every building block scripture. The thing is, they make some weak arguments to disregard these scriptures, but they also forget the effort they require is huge because they need to leave no stone unturned. That itself is a problem because it seems they are just fighting the current that scripture has set.
Hi Jodi,
In response to your post #846482 above on this page see “John 3 Born Again” starting with post 846488 on page 7.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form (me: image of a man) of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Me: The Word, who is God expressed himself as a man or exalted image of God in a Chrisophany in the OT. He was given a permanent body of that image or man in the form of a servant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChristophanyHeb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me.
Carmel, Jesus said he was “dead”, and “now” (after his resurection), alive for evermore. But you say he never died, he was the word and cou look never die, because he was from eternity right?
So again you reject Jesus’ own words. When are you going to start to believe him, i stead of all your “mysterious” religious teachings?
The old story again:
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S WORK:
Genesis 2:15And the Lord God took man, and put him into the paradise of pleasure, to dress it, and to keep it. 16And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat: 17But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat.
For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it,
YOU SHALL DIE THE DEATH
Gene, the above verse, is in PLAIN CLEAR SIMPLE ENGLISH!
DID ADAM DIED? or in the truth, he lived nearly
1000 years!
I know what your answer would be!
HE DIED SPIRITUALLY!
ABSOLUTE GENIUS!!!!
You know what that means MR. GENE? By the way: Your name really SUITS YOU, with every respect.
That for God FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING!
THE FACT THAT ADAM WAS ALIVE IN THE FLESH, FOR GOD
ADAM WAS DEAD!
NOW REFLECT ON JESUS’ FLESH! JUST TO REMIND YOU:
FOR GOD FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING! THUS
THE SECOND ADAM
WAS DEAD IN THE FLESH! GOT IT GENE, I BET YOU DO! ABOUT TIME! THUS
THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS DEAD IN THE FLESH, FOR GOD
HE WAS ALIVE IN THE SPIRIT!
BOTH IN HIS FLESH AND HIS SPIRIT:
ONE SUBSTANCE!
Do you know that Jesus came on this planet to be
THE LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT,
GENE AND JODI? WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THE TRUTH!
YOU STUBURN BEINGS,
STILL DEAD IN THE SPIRIT! LIKE ADAM!
Now in my post, I said:
Now reflect:
“THE WORD” Jesus, as a SPIRIT,
WAS CRUSHED AS AN INFINITESIMAL SPIRIT IN ALL HEARTS/SOULS, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB…….
IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF CREATION.
But once Satan, on Jesus death was removed from all souls,
HE AUTOMATICALLY
IN A TWINKLING OF AN EYE became
THE SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT AT ALL COSTS IN ALL SOULS BOTH GOOD AND EVIL. again:
THROUGH HIS DEATH!
WAS HE REALLY DEAD?
IF FROM THAT MOMENT ON “THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man is
THE SUPREME RULER OVER THE ENTIRE CREATION.
and Right now He is embodied with both
THE FLESH AND THE SPIRIT ONE SUBSTANCE!
Not two any more like when He was IN A WAY, born but
TWO IN ONE SPIRITUAL FLESH
GODMAN!
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST
Mentioned by Jesus in
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend
MY SPIRIT…
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, immediately on His death glorified and became
ONE SUBSTANCE with the Holy Ghost in His soul.
JESUS CHRIST. BOTH GOD AND MAN. John 13:31,32
Jesus ruled the earth as the sole sovereign spirit in all SOULS both good and evil at least till
Pentecost.
God’s kingdom came, and God’s will was done on earth as it is in heaven.
To the extent that:
ALL CONCEPTIONS, ALL BIRTHS, AND ALL DEATHS ON EARTH, in short, the entire process of the human race in its entirety, which was Satanic since Adam and Eve on their fall,
were for the first ever time, accomplished
FOR THE GLORY OF GOD, IN JESUS CHRIST IN FULL MERCY! Thus as Jesus declared
YOUR KINGDOM COMES, YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN,
obvious SPIRITUAL, HIDDEN TO THE CARNAL EYES.
Despite the entire human race lived as evil as ever! NEVERTHELESS,
Jesus Christ ruled as the sole sovereign SPIRIT in their SOULS.
Thus Jesus planted
The SEED of His FIRST FRUITS, in every conception, occurred on earth, till Pentecost.
SONS WERE BORN OF GOD, on every birth occurred on earth, till Pentecost.
Well pinpointed out by Jesus on the cross by His own words:
Luke 23:34 And Jesus said: Father,
FORGIVE THEM, FATHER, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO…..
Yes from the cross, and AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST. The day when the world OFFICIALLY became physically futile in its entirety, from
GOD’S SPIRITUAL PERSPECTIVE. The fact that FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING IN THE EYES OF GOD!
PURCHASED BY JESUS’ BLOOD.
ONCE THE HOLY GHOST CAME DOWN ON EARTH AND OFFICIALLY RULED SPIRITUALLY. Commenced the
Eternal PROCESS OF THE NEW
SPIRITUAL CREATION with
THE NEW ETERNAL SPIRITUAL COVENANT OF
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST,
THE ONLY SOVEREIGN
KING OVER ALL, thus
GOD ALMIGHTY IS IN HIS GENUINE REST!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
TC……What that scripture was really saying is this, Jesus being a man with the anointing spirit of God on him, thought not to try to rob God, by making himself equal with him. That is what that passage was truly saying.
Jesus could have just let the people think was the one doing those mircales instead of God The Fathe r who was “in” him by way of the anointing spirit that was on him. Another words he could have taken credit,for them , like Moses did at the Rock of Meriba in the wilderness did.
Here is an example , Jesus told Martha or Mary, this , “did I not tell you that you would see the glory of God ,if you only believed. , then notice what he said right after that, father I know you always hear me, “I only said that, that they might believe you sent me. “GET IT’.
He that has ears to hear let him hear.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Micah 5:2
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”YOU: The GOING forth of the man from the tribe of Judah is from long ago, NOT him existed from long ago, HIS COMING was planned before God made the world.
No Jodi, NOT PRECISE, That’s what you corruptly got in your mind.
First and foremost:
THERE WAS NO PLAN BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, AT ALL SINCE EVERYTHING BEGAN BY
“THE WORD” ITSELF PRECISELY
NOT BEFORE THE WORLD WAS BUT BEFORE ALL!
THE BEGINNING! Well declared in
Colossians 1:17
And he is before all:
and by him all things consist.
YOU PRECISELY SAID: The GOING forth of the man….
Your declaration in itself
CONTRADICTS YOU!
It clearly says:
THE GOING FORTH OF THE MAN, ….. IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO JESUS’ AS A SPIRIT GOING FORTH IN FULL ACTION.
FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM ETERNITY!
Thus IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME, THERE WERE NO PLANS.
DRB.VERSION:
Micah 5:2 And thou Bethlehem Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda, out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.
HIS GOING FORTH IS FROM THE BEGINNING!
As clear as crystal!
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, AS A SPIRIT
STARTED GOING FORTH. (PRE-EXISTED)
FROM CREATURE TO CREATURE
AS THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
IN ORDER TO FURNISH ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL, BY HIS SPIRIT ENGRAFTED IN ALL SOULS.
TO REDEEM ALL, AND
TO MAKE CHILDREN OF GOD IN ALL.
IN SPIRIT, SOUL, and FLESH, in one substance, as
THE PRINCE OF PEACE
THE FATHER OF THE WORLD TO COME
GOD THE MIGHTY
BOTH OF THE HEAVENS and OF THE EARTH. Well asserted in
Isaiah 9:6 also in
Hebrews 2: 13 And again: I will put my trust in him. And again:
Behold I and my children,
whom God hath given me.
there was no plan before the world was, AS YOU CORRUPTLY SAID.
That’s your TWISTED preaching. HE WAS ALREADY STARTED AND COMING FORTH, before the world was!
PRECISELY WHEN GOD INITIATED THE CREATION OF THE HEAVENS. (PRE-EXISTED)
SINCE ALL IN HIM, and ALL IN HIM.
Well clear in
John1:1, IN THE BEGINNING, WAS
“THE WORD”
1John 2:7Dearly beloved, I write not a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you had from
THE BEGINNING
The old commandment is
the word
which you have heard.
1 John1:1 That which was
from the beginning,(PRE-EXISTED)
which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon and our hands have handled, of the word of life. 2For the life was manifested: and we have seen and do bear witness and declare unto you
the life eternal,
which was with the Father and
hath
APPEARED to us.
(PRE-EXISTED since He appeard)
YOU: HIS COMING was planned before God made the world.
HIS COMING WAS PLANNED NOT BEFORE GOD MADE THE WORLD. BUT
WHEN NOTHING WAS COMMENCED YET.
When “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, was in the Father’s bosom. The fact that
HE IS THE BEGINNING.
Rev.1:8 I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end,
saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
carmel…..Jesus never said “he” was the word, In fact he said the c words he was speaking were not his words. Is that c anothe r scripture you have thrown out of you bible, to try to make Jesus be something he never said he was. Jesus spoke to us God the Fathers words, remember?, the words I Am telling you are “NOT” MY WORDS, but t h e words of him who sent me. so who sent him CARMEL, was it not God the Father, who sent him? So can’t you even put that together properly? GOD AND HIS WORDS ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING, AND JESUS NEVER WAS GOD THE FATHER’S WORD, HE SIMPLY DELIVERED HIS WORDS TO US. So simple even a child could understand that, but you people seem unable to.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
T8…..right off thE get go you change the text to fit you conclusion, please show us the scripture that say “before Abraham I was was born. IT REALLY SAY BEFORE ABRAHAM , I AM. The Jews were relying on their association with Abraham as given them their relationship with God, Jesus was simply saying he was more important the Abraham was. He was before him in importance and he was mentioned even before him in scripture also. Abraham even looked forward to t h e day of Jesus and saw it and was glad.
And on and on it goes you have no problem also forcing the text to say what it in fact is not actually saying, all the texts you mentioned have been descussed here over and over. We have shown you people over and over what the Greek word “dia” actually means, that the only creator God, alone created the heave and earth and everything in it, with THE PERFECTED MANKIND, like Jesus , in mind for all od his creation even before it even came to be.
You not taking into consideration the wrong meanings Greek words, trinitarian scribes used to develop their false teachings over the years.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene,
You: What that scripture was really saying is this, Jesus being a man with the anointing spirit of God on him, thought not to try to rob God, by making himself equal with him. That is what that passage was truly saying.
Me: I don’t understand why you and Jodi do not name the scriptures? I never once said that the son is equal with his Father.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Me:
Who, being in the form of God…
First, the Messiah was in the precise form of God. This means he was in the express visible image of God. This means he was a man. But he was not an ordinary man in the flesh with blood like ours. “man” means image of God both in form or body and in spirit. Also, he had the heart and mind of mind of a man in his “flesh”.You: Jesus could have just let the people think was the one doing those mircales instead of God The Fathe r who was “in” him by way of the anointing spirit that was on him. Another words he could have taken credit,for them , like Moses did at the Rock of Meriba in the wilderness did.
Me:
….thought it not robbery to be equal with God:Me: The Messiah knew that his Father was greater than himself and that his father was greater than all.
John 14:28…I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;…
Me: So what does Phil 2:6 really mean?
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/philippians/2-6.htm
725. harpagmos Definition: the act of seizing or the thing seized
Usage: spoil, an object of eager desire, a prize.New American Standard Bible
Phil 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped (me: 725:seized), Who is the Messiah contrasted with?Isa 14:12 (NASB)“How you have fallen from heaven,
O [star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!
13 “But you said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.
14 ‘I WILL ASCEND ABOVE THE HEIGHTS OF THE CLOUDS.
I WILL MAKE MYSELF LIKE THE MOST HIGHMe: The Messiah was the expressed ,unique, and exact expression of his Father. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (VS 7). This was the opposite attitude of Lucifer who became Satan.
You: Here is an example , Jesus told Martha or Mary, this , “did I not tell you that you would see the glory of God ,if you only believed. , then notice what he said right after that, father I know you always hear me, “I only said that, that they might believe you sent me. “GET IT’.
Me: What I GET is you are a deceiving ignorant COWBOY.
John 1024 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 24 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
Carmel can you ACCEPT the prophecy of Isaiah 7 and the purpose for the virgin birth? It had everything to do with David’s offspring, his descendant sitting on his throne, no other man from another tribe would take the throne.
Jodi,
It’s useless you keep on going producing scriptures, and at the same time, you are totally CARNALLY MINDED, and simply ignoring the fact that
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING when it comes to God’s work.
UNLESS YOU SEARCH FOR THE SPIRIT HIDDEN IN IT.
In the same way you Jodi and Gene ARE NOT SIMPLY
FLESH
BUT ALSO SPIRIT,
“THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man
HIDDEN IN YOU. and in every creature no matter who, and what! through his own DIVINE blood
IT IS BY THE POWER OF GOD IN
“THE WORD” Jesus’ flesh body to be, AS A SPIRIT MANIFESTED in the process of creation especially
EMBODIED in David as King, in Mary His mother, HE HIMSELF AS A SPIRIT IN THE VIRGIN, in Moses as the first lawgiver, and a TYPE of a mediator, between God and Men, and in others, that God EVENTUALLY achieves His PHYSICAL kingdom, precisely
THE KINGDOM OF THE SON, BUT ALWAYS
THROUGH THE SPIRITUAL PROCESS HIDDEN IN THE PHYSICAL PROCESS!
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS, and darkness
comprehended NOT!
THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE ARE NOT GOING TO BE JUDGED IN
THE FLESH, PHYSICALLY! BUT SPIRITUALLY!
SINCE THE FLESH IS JUDGED ON ITS LAST DAY ON EARTH WHEN IT DIES. Well clear in
John8:15 You judge according to the flesh: I judge not any man. ( IN THE FLESH) 16And if I do judge, my judgment is true: because I am not alone, ( FLESH ONLY) but I and the Father ( SPIRIT IN THE HOLY GHOST) that sent me.
Consequently, while reading Isiaih 7, THROUGHOUT, in full humility
SEARCH, KNOCK and ASK, so it will be given to you!
Here is Isaiah 7:11 And the Lord spoke again to Achaz, saying: 11Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God, either unto the depth of hell, or unto the height above. 12And Achaz said: I will not ask, and I will not tempt the Lord. 13And he said: Hear ye therefore, O house of David: Is it a small thing for you to be grievous to men, that you are grievous to my God also?
In the above, more or less Achaz did what you and Gene are doing,
SIMPLY IGNORING THE SPIRITUAL WORK OF GOD!
14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
Thus in the above, the prophet made it clear and said:
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign.
Reflect on the above PLAIN CLEAR SIMPLE ENGLISH, and discover
THE HIDDEN WISDOM OF GOD. It says clearly:
THE LORD HIMSELF! Now how deep are you able TO REFLECT on your own to discern the TRUTH simply when you look and the LITERAL title of
THE LORD HIMSELF! Unless you ignore completely even the literal title in itself simply to CONCENTRATE ON THE
ACTUAL SPIRIT OF THE LORD HIDDEN IN THAT TITLE AND IN WHAT FOLLOWS!
in order to understand in the TRUTH
THE ACTUAL SIGN in itself, WHAT KIND AND IN WHAT MANNER OF A SIGN!
If Achaz is not willing to ask God regarding His most powerful spirit, to intervene in the matter, what would God do, obvious
GOD WOULD IGNORE NOT ONLY ACHAZ regarding His spiritual mysterious work but all the tribes of Israel.
Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
As clear as crystal:
The above declaration is up to this day
THE MOST MYSTERIOUS CONCEPTION AND BIRTH
OF THE SON OF GOD/SON OF MAN! Confirmed precisely in the words,
VIRGIN, CONCEIVE, SON, and His ACTUAL name
Em MAN u EL! MAN GOD WITH US!
Hence THE LORD HIMSELF, MYSTERIOUSLY
IN THE VIRGIN, “THE WORD’ her creator in her HEART/SOUL HIS ABODE!
IN HER CONCEPTION, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man/Son of God in her particular WOMB.
IN THE SON, “THE WORD” Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, united and glorified in one substance as
Jesus Christ.
IN HIS NAME! Well asserted in
Isaiah 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
In the above, it is emphatically clear that
THE LORD OUR GOD HIMSELF GAVE BIRTH! HOW?
THE LORD OUR GOD HIMSELF GAVE GENERATIONS? THE ENTIRE GENERATIONS! ALL IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man,
NOTICE: THE ACTUAL TITLE:
THE LORD YOUR GOD: Which is a reference to Jesus as MAN GOD!
The Lord Your HUMAN TYPE God.
MADE of the SPIRITUAL seed of David!
Just reflect deeply for a while, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, traveled, both THROUGH THE SEED OF
ADAM, in SETH, as Son of God, the genealogy of MARY, Luke 3:23:38, and THROUGH THE SEED OF EVE in CAIN, as Son of Man, the genealogy of Joseph. Matthew 1:1-17
A TWO MEN PROCESS, one sows, and one reaps, mentioned by Jesus in
John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37For in this is the saying true: That it is one man that soweth, and it is another that reapeth.
BUT FOR SURE as A SPIRIT, not as a SPERM,
Flesh counts for nothing when it comes to God.
Thanks to “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, God uses whatever it pleases Him to be. In the same way, it pleased Him to be in
the burning bush of Moses, in the cloud, in the fire, in the mountain, in the whistling of gentle air heard by Elijah, and the most significant in the Dove, followed by the tongues of fire on Pentecost. But for sure
HE WAS NONE OF THEM AS SUCH.
NEVER MIND THE SPERM OF DAVID! WHICH BECAME DUST!
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS and darkness
COMPREHENDED NOT, I’m afraid in the same way you Jodi and you Gene
WILL NEVER COMPREHEND and respect
GOD’S DIVINE MYSTERIOUS WORK ESPECIALLY IN ORDER TO HAVE HIS SON JESUS IN FLESH!
AS HE PLEASES! Well specifically clear hereunder:
10Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all you that love her: ( THE FLESH BODY) rejoice for joy with her, all you that mourn for her.
11That you may suck, and be filled with the breasts of her consolations: ( “THE WORD” Jesus, DIVINE MADE FLESH) that you may milk out, and flow with delights, from the abundance of her glory. ( THE HUMAN RACE UNITED WITH GOD AS ONE SUBSTANCE IN JESUS CHRIST)
12For thus saith the Lord: Behold I will bring upon her as it were a river of peace, ( THE HUMAN RACE RECONCILED WITH GOD WITH “THE WORD” JESUS’ FLESH) and as an overflowing torrent the glory of the Gentiles,( DESPITE ENEMIES OF GOD ARE CHOSEN) which you shall suck; you shall be carried at the breasts, and upon the knees they shall caress you.
In the above, JERUSALEM IS THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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