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T8…..WHAT I BELIEVE Jesus was indeed a “ordinary” human being, “as reguarding” his flesh and blood existence, as a human being, born of flesh and blood, exactly as we are through a flesh birth process, i was never talking about his status or position in the plan and purpose of GOD. That was definitely not ordinary, but i don’t let that “seperate” me from “identifying” with him as a fellow human being, like a big brother, and lord, over the house hold of GOD the Father.
Hope that clarifies things.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
HI T8,
YOU:The Bible teaches us that the Word became flesh and Jesus Christ came in the flesh. It teaches that God created all things through the Word and created all things through the Son of God. Finally we see that when he returns, we see his name is the Word of God.
ME: The bible gives you THE WORD t8, but you don’t acknowledge it in the least.
The WORD of God spoken by the prophets was that the root of Jesse God would rest His Spirit upon him, ANOINTING him, and calling him to righteousness, directing all his ways.
That WORD of God, a promise BECAME TRUE, and where was that TRUTH seen, people were witnesses of this WORD of God being fulfilled IN the FLESH of Jesus of Nazareth.
t8, CAN you or can you not acknowledge that Isaiah 11, 42, and 61 was God’s word? Can you or can you not acknowledge that THE WORD was fulfilled, made true in the flesh of Jesus?
Yes God created all things through THE WORD, that word is His WORD, God created all things through His WORD of eternal life,
He created all things through His WORD of an anointed man coming to save that which was lost,
He created all things through His WORD that there would be a New Heaven and a New Earth,
He created all things through His WORD that he would call a man to righteousness and he would be a covenant a LIGHT to all people.
He created all things through the BEN of ADAM who He would be mindful of and visit, who He would give dominion over all the works of His HANDS over to.
He created all things through the firstborn of the dead, the one who would receive his father David’s throne, and rule over the house of Jacob forever.
T8, Isaiah speaks of a coming man, David speaks of a coming man, these are the WORDS of God, and Jesus is the man of that WORD, he was IN the WORD, and he likewise fulfilled in his flesh what the WORD had said.
t8, did God’s WORD say that a man would one day come and God would rest His Spirit upon him, an anointing, and he would be sent to preach, heal, and deliver captives?
That which dwelt among the people was it not Jesus in the flesh who was the man who fulfilled God’s word having been anointed and sent?
Was it not Jesus in the flesh fulfilling God’s WORD when he came healing and preaching and delivering captives?
YES it was. Jesus could do nothing of himself, “34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
Your doctrine t8 is nothing but pure vanity, it is empty. Jesus could do NOTHING of himself, so him being the Word of God as representing some pre-existing being coming to us in the flesh is worthless. Now Jesus being the WORD of God because he is the man in the flesh of the prophecies of God’s WORD is TRUTH. What was IN God’s word was a man who would be anointed with the fullness of God’s Spirit being SENT out to PREACH not his own word, but God’s word. So thus when Jesus SPEAKS t8, he IS the WORD of God made true in the flesh. When he is anointed he is God’s word being made true in the flesh, when he heals he is God’s word made true in the flesh, when he goes to the cross and dies he is God’s word made true in the flesh.
WHAT I SAY is TRUE t8, it cannot be denied. To read John 1 and not apply, not see Isaiah’s prophecies being fulfilled is to be a man in complete denial and darkness. You don’t want to apply God’s word written by the prophets and their later spoken fulfillment, you want to apply a doctrine of men that is pure vanity, totally useless.
Hi Jodi
I: That flesh Jodi,
IS ALL HEAVENLY! ALL DIVINE!
DESPITE it is MADE of the seed of David.
YOU: I am so glad Carmel that you said his flesh was made of the seed of David, that we can agree upon!!
Also 1 Corinthians 15 tells you that Jesus had a body that was sown in corruption, dishonor, and weakness, but he was raised incorruptible, with glory and power. He was raised with a body that was DIVINE, not able to be tempted by flesh, not able to die.
Jodi here is 1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption: it shall rise in incorruption.
Just make it clear how you concluded that the above verse is a direct reference to Jesus?
When Jesus on His death was not SOWN IN CORRUPTION! Jesus was a perfect DIVINE ransom, without blemish, and on the cross, HE WAS INNOCENT in every sense!
Also Jodi, Jesus though He died,
HE NEVER ACTUALLY DIED THE DEATH OF HUMANS, THE FACT THAT HE NEVER BECAME
DUST
1Corinthians 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among the perfect:
yet not the wisdom of this world, neither of the princes of this world that come to nought.
7But we speak the wisdom of God in a
mystery, a wisdom which is hidden,
which God ordained before the world, unto our glory:
(SOMETHING WHICH BOTH YOU AND GENE ARE NOT READY TO ASK , and it shall be given you: SEEK, and you shall find: KNOCK, and it shall be opened to you, never mind accept)
8Which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have
CRUCIFIED THE LORD OF GLORY!
The above settled the matter regarding WHAT JESUS WAS ON HIS DEATH! They crucified:
THE LORD OF GLORY, not CORRUPTION!
HUMANS’ flesh and blood was not suitable AS A RANSOM, simply as it was CURSED and satanically owned IN THE SAME WAY EARTH WAS, the fact that
IT HAS TO END!
IF IT WAS GOD’S IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
ETERNAL
Precisely the fact that Jesus came to save the world, hence
IT WAS NOT ACCEPTED BY GOD THE FATHER.
Never mind Jesus was an ordinary man of THE EARTH. PURE NONSENSE! Which is a direct declaration that God the Father is not
EVEN A FATHER EQUAL TO ORDINARY FATHER OF THE EARTH, since according to you He is not capable to Have His Son specifically OF HIS OWN SUBSTANCE! When scripture itself is clear that Jesus
PROCEDED FROM THE FATHER.
And also God Himself declared in
Isaiah 66:9 Shall not I that make others to bring forth children,
MYSELF BRING FORTH
saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others,
BE BARREN,
saith the Lord thy God?
HOW ON EARTH YOU JODI and Gene REMAIN SO BLIND WHILE IN THE SAME TIME READING THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE?
Consequently, the Father furnished Jesus with HIS UNIQUE and GENUINE divine FLESH body not to keep it for Himself, but to give it back to the Father. The fact that Jesus, at all costs,
SIMPLY DID THE FATHER’S WILL
since it was the Father’s substance, thus He offered it as a ransom in the name of the Father. By which ransom God the Father became
OUR GOD AND SAVIOUR, PRECISELY BY HIS OWN DIVINE SUBSTANCE.
The pure fact that Jesus’ FLESH body is the actual WORD OF GOD, pronounced by the VOICE of God in the HOLY GHOST. The fact that Jesus is
BUILT BY THE HOLY GHOST. In Jesus’ Soul/HEART. In the same way humans are built in their MOTHER’S WOMB by their SOUL/heart.
Very recently I read what the Holy Spirit revealed to me and actually SAW through scriptures, hence, today it is scientifically proven that our body is
THE GREATEST CREATION OF THE HEART.
BY THE SOUL,
WHICH IT IS “THE WORD” ABODE, GOD’S HOUSE. THE CITY OF GOD, THE CITY OF DAVID
ZION
I repeat, the heart is ETERNALLY the abode of “THE WORD” AT ALL COSTS,
which it was introduced by God in the VERY BEGINNING, precisely in Lucifer’s heart, the first ever creature, the first ever carrier of God, the carrier of the light, THE PRIMORDIAL LIGHT, the morning star.
Thus “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man to be, THE SPIRITUAL LIGHT, precisely was
EMBODIED in the PHYSICAL LIGHT Lucifer/ Satan to be, the primordial darkness to be.
Pinpointed out in
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, (“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man manifested on Mount Tabor)
and create darkness, ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB …….in Satan’s WORK )
I make peace, ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, on the cross who reconciled all with the Father on His death)
and create evil: ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, precisely HIDDEN IN ALL SATAN’S EVIL CREATURES,
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB….. ETERNAL LIFE to maintain them in existence, especially in SATAN’S HEART, HIS LIFE SOURCE simply waited for that crucial moment of the cross, to establish the TRUTH by which truth He annihilated Satan’s power, and lies, and from that moment on Satan accepted to be subject to Jesus Christ, as much as he was IN THE TRUTH, in the very beginning as Lucifer, but SIMPLY through his pride, never accepted it, unless it is proven, OF WHICH IT WAS precisely on Jesus death on the cross. )
Here is what I read regarding the heart:
http://www.spirithealonline.com
We may not be able to find the light in our body or our mind, but our heart reveals it readily. The light and wisdom of the body are so obvious to the heart because our body is created from the heart. Physiologically this is scientifically proven. The very first cells that multiply in the womb become the heart and the rest of the body is created from these original primordial cells. Our body is born from the heart, a very special organ that is so vast that the essence of all LOVE is contained within it. Heart wisdom and light permeate the body like the fragrance of a rose, an ineffable perfume that subtly pervades all yet is invisible. You could say that our body is the greatest creation of our heart.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Jodi
YOU: I am so glad Carmel that you said his flesh was made of the seed of David, that we can agree upon
NO, Jodi we didn’t agree upon that Jesus was made of the seed of David,
IN THE WAY YOUR CARNALLY MINDED INTELLIGENCE CONCLUDED. As you can see I mostly used block capitals when I write the word MADE. Simply to make it clear that JESUS WAS NOT ACTUALLY
BORN OF THE CARNAL SEED/SPERM OF DAVID! THE FACT THAT HE WAS OF THE HOLY GHOST
SPIRIT
But HE
AS A SPIRIT, WAS
MADE
OF THE SEED OF DAVID. HOW?
Simply as “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, Jesus’ flesh body, as a spirit,
PRE-EXISTED
was both as an infinitesimal speck in David sperm and also EMBODIED in David
Precisely in his HEART as a whole, LISTEN TO THIS Jodi,
So Jesus’ the Son of Man, THOUGH A SPIRIT, pre-existed, would be
HIMSELF KING OF ISRAEL
EMBODIED and personified in DAVID.
I repeat and ALSO as An infinitesimal speck in David’s SPERM. The reason the word MADE is used.
We as Children OF EARTH are the actual sperm of our father, the fact that WE BECOME DUST. But “THE WORD” WAS NOT THE ACTUAL SPERM OF ANY,
THE FACT THAT JESUS NEVER BECAME DUST, THOUGH HE DIED.
Despite He traveled in all the SPERM AND BECAME The firstborn of every creature.
Consequently from generation to generation, Jesus AS A SPIRIT, IN DAVID SPERM, traveled through the entire process of creation, created all and ended His work AGAIN embodied in Mary, His supposed Mother, her creator in Her HEART/SOUL, as much as He was in Eve’s but SLAIN…… since she sinned, precisely ALMOST in the same way He was in David, Moses, Elijah and in others. BUT again ONLY “THE WORD”. The Son of Man, Jesus’ FLESH, not the Son of God. Thus David has a portion in
MARY’S FLESH BODY, AS MUCH AS IN JESUS’!
In Jesus’, as Son of Man, in Jesus’ FLESH, and in Mary’s as an angel, since Mary’s body is the heavenly realms in relation to the SON OF GOD. Well mentioned in
Psalm 16:5 THE LORD IS THE PORTION OF MY INHERITANCE and of my cup: it is thou that WILL RESTORE MY INHERITANCE TO ME. 6 The LINES are fallen unto me in
GOODLY PLACES: for my inheritance is GOODLY TO ME.7 I will bless the Lord, who hath given me UNDERSTANDING moreover, my reins also have corrected me even till night.8 I set the Lord always in MY SIGHT: for he is at MY RIGHT HAND, that I be not moved. 9 Therefore
MY HEART HATH BEEN GLAD, (AND HOW! THE ABODE OF “THE WORD’ Jesus, the Son of Man.)
and MY TONGUE HATH REJOICED: ( AND HOW! “THE WORD” spoke through David in his psalms)
moreover, MY FLESH also shall rest in hope. (a portion BOTH in Mary’s and in Jesus’ flesh)
10 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; ( “THE WORD” ETERNAL LIFE in David’s soul, SLAIN ….)
nor wilt thou give THY HOLY ONE TO SEE CORRUPTION ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, NEVER BECAME DUST, again in David’s soul slain….)
11 Thou hast made known to me the WAYS OF LIFE, (FROM THE MOMENT when he was saved BY GOD, from LUCIFER’S REBELLION psalm 18) thou shalt fill me with joy with thy countenance: AT THY RIGHT HAND are delights even to the end.
Definitely David would be on THE RIGHT HAND of Jesus Christ. In MARY’S EMBODIMENT!
THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS, BY JESUS OWN WORDS FROM THE CROSS.
All the above is a reference to David’s portion in Mary’s and Jesus’ flesh Body, simply as David ORIGINALLY was the only angel who rejected Lucifer’s rebellion plan, and he was nearly KILLED, drowned, when God saved Him. Psalm 18, Through Him God for CONTINUATION sake of the kingdom of the Son, established the PURE genealogy of THE SON OF GOD, in relation to the flesh, by which Mary’s flesh body was established precisely by
“THE WORD” Jesus, the SON OF MAN, as a spirit. A TWO MEN PROCESS:
ONE SOWS and ONE REAPS, mentioned by Jesus in John 4:36,37
Thus “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN SOWS IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF CREATION, AS THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE, AND ETERNAL LIFE, Hence ESTABLISHED THE PURE LINEAGE FOR JESUS THE SON OF GOD. through David’s SPIRITUAL SEED IN HIS SPERM. THOUGH SLAIN…… THEN THE SON OF GOD, THE HOLY GHOST IN JESUS’SOUL, GLORIFIES BOTH HIMSELF AND THE SON OF MAN, PRECISELY ON JESUS’ DEATH, THE SON OF MAN. Well clear in John13:31,32
ALL THE HEAVENLY REALMS SPIRITS IN THE GENEALOGY OF MARY, ARE EMBODIED IN MARY’S FLESH BODY.
THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN, IN WHICH DAVID WAS RESTORED AS AN ANGEL! Mentioned by Paul in
1Corinthians 11:3……..and the head of the woman is the man:…….
(THE SOUL OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN JESUS, “THE WORD” as mentioned above)
Reflect: Eve received her soul from the man Adam, Mary from the man Jesus, “THE WORD”. and
in general, ALL WOMEN receive their soul through the SPERM OF THE MAN, on THEIR conception)
WHICH IS A CLEAR PROOF THAT HUMAN SPERM IS NOT JUST SPERM BUT
ALSO SPIRIT “THE WORD”
1Corinthians 11:10 Therefore ought the woman to have power over her head, because of the angels.
From the above, it is well clear, that Mary’s SOUL/HEART is “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, Symbolically HER HEAD, and Mary’s BODY are the ANGELS. Thus “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, IN MARY’S SOUL/HEART, has the power over MARY’S HEAD/SOUL, as an embodiment of angels. THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS/HEART, the fact that her HEART was pierced. Thus BOTH EARTHLY THROUGH JESUS THE SON OF MAN, AND HEAVENLY IN HERSELF. BOTH IN/BY “THE WORD” JESUS, HER HEAD.
As much as Satan became Eve’s head on her sin, and mother of all flesh. Eve
FLESHWISE is totally Satanic. THE FIRST HEART OF STONE, SATAN’S ABODE!
Now as much as David is Jesus’ FATHER, through “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man his creator in his heart/SOUL.
Mary also is Jesus’ MOTHER, through “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man her creator in her heart/SOUL.
Thus this confirms that “THE WORD” as a spirit, is both male and female androgynous like God is. Thus David and Mary
IN THEIR HEART/SOUL, BOTH ARE THE ABODE OF “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
IN THEIR SPIRITUAL SEED, BOTH ARE “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
The only difference IS that in David’s SEED/SPERM “THE WORD” as a spirit was SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, precisely IN HIS SPIRITUAL SEED, HIDDEN, BURIED IN THE ACTUAL CARNAL SPERM. Which became DUST?
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING…….
SIMPLY TO MANIFEST THE SPIRIT
But in Mary He was NOT slain, He HIMSELF as a spirit simply was/IS
THE MOTHER OF ALL SOULS. THE WOMAN!
IN THE SAME WAY HE WAS KING OF ISRAEL IN DAVID. The fact that Jesus restored David KINGSHIP, as king over the entire universe.
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, conceived Mary and remained in her, and protected her from Satan’s evil spiritual SEED. Mentioned in Genesis 3:15
THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION! Hence FULL OF GRACE with His presence! As much as Eve with Satan’s presence became full of CURSE! And AS MUCH AS JESUS CAME OF MARY ON HIS BIRTH, HE WILL DO THE SAME WHEN SHE CRUSHES SATAN’S HEAD. The only way to convince Satan that Jesus, the Son of Man and Mary are
Both “THE WORD” in their respective role;
Jesus, for OUR SAKE more than to have a mother, carried on Him the ENTIRE evil, ALL THE POWER OF SATAN, ALL ONTO HIMSELF and as the only
SPIRIT/MEDIATOR, prevented Mary, His mother from THE LEAST contamination.
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S PERSONAL DIVINE PROCESS. HE SIMPLY USED all KINDS of SEEDS, not Just DAVID’S IN ORDER TO TRAVEL THROUGH ALL GENERATIONS, ALL IN HIM, at all costs AS THEIR CREATOR/REDEEMER. The fact that in the genealogy of Mary there are four CONTAMINATED FEMALES, But again ALL POSSIBLE for God through the POWER OF “THE WORD” indicated by Jesus in
Matthew 19:26 And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
In the above Jesus made a clear direct reference to Himself, and simply asserted that
THROUGH HIM, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, even WITH MEN ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
Jodi here is 1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption: it shall rise in incorruption.
Just make it clear how you concluded that the above verse is a direct reference to Jesus?
ME:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
Jesus is a MAN who was resurrected from the dead. He was the first from those that slept to be resurrected, and Paul tells us how the dead are raised.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was MADE a quickening spirit.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Jesus had WEAK FLESH Carmel, how else could he be tempted? How else could he then condemn sin in the flesh? You don’t get it. He was a MAN like us, tempted as we are tempted because he had weak mortal flesh just like us, but God rested His Spirit upon him where He held his hand and kept him to be a covenant, where God directed all his ways. If he as a MAN who died and became the first man to be resurrected from the dead into eternal life, HADN’T had God holding his hand he would have given into the WEAK flesh that he had.
Jesus had WEAK FLESH Carmel, He had corruptible flesh Carmel. God’s PROMISE to David’s son was that though he would die, God would not ALLOW that flesh to see decay. The reason? Because he had condemned sin in his flesh. I don’t think you understand what that means, and the significance of it, for by it you are saved. WEAK flesh that could have sinned as it was tempted to sin, but did not. WHY did it not sin?..not because it was born as some special FLESH, DIVINE flesh, as you like to say, but because God directed all of it’s ways.
Isaiah 45:2 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives
A MAN Carmel remaining without sin because God raised him up in righteousness, directing all his ways.
You want to say he was born with some sort of special flesh, this is not true at all. His flesh was just like ours the difference is that God called him and thus his flesh also, to righteousness. In that CALLING God would direct all his ways. God would hold his hand and keep him, give His influence via His Spirit, to a weak mortal man and that influence superseded the influence of the weak mortal flesh.
Carmel, Jesus could do nothing of himself, his words tell you that you are WAY OFF, believing in FALSE doctrines of MEN. Jesus condemned sin in his flesh not because he was born with divine flesh otherwise there would be no sin to condemn, otherwise he would have done all things through his divine flesh, which he says he did nothing of himself. God was working His Spirit INTO his weak mortal flesh.
Through Jesus, as a man of weak flesh we know that all things are possible through God by His anointing Spirit. We may not be perfected as mortals as he was, but we should know likewise that we can do nothing of ourselves, we also need God’s Spirit working in us, for only God is good. Through Jesus having been like us we know that we have a judge who can sympathize with our own infirmities. Through Jesus having been like us and believing that he was raised from the dead, we thus also believe that we shall be heirs of God also unto eternal life.
Carmel you preach a false Gospel, that is pretty much all you do.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:When Jesus on His death was not SOWN IN CORRUPTION! Jesus was a perfect DIVINE ransom, without blemish, and on the cross, HE WAS INNOCENT in every sense!
ME: Carmel sown in corruption means being a mortal able to die and decay/perish, Jesus was born in corruption meaning he could die and his flesh could decay/perish.
corruption – Phthora – that which is perishable
YES he was innocent because when God called him to righteousness he did not fail for God was directing all his ways, holding his hand, to keep him from sin so that he could be a covenant a light to all people.
You don’t believe that simple message given by Isaiah, First you have the root of Jesse THEN God rests His Spirit upon him calling him to righteousness.
YOU AND SO MANY OTHERS on this FORUM DENY the CALLING, you speak as if there was NOT A CALLING to the offspring of Jesse, David, and Abraham. Instead you preach of an absolute FALSE CHRIST. A MAN had God’s Spirit rest upon him, an ANOINTING and then that man of the offspring of Jesse was SENT.
God knows the carnal man will sin, God knows that man can do nothing of himself, no good deed of himself, for as Jesus clearly stated when people inquired of him, he said that ONLY GOD is GOOD. God gives mercy to man by giving man of His Spirit so that man can walk in His ways, the measure given determines the measure that a man will walk. The word of God given by Isaiah is that a MAN of the offspring of Jesse would be CALLED to righteousness to be a covenant. These are word of God that obviously just elude you, as you do not comprehend those words in the least, as you are just fully drowning in delusional doctrine.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
HE NEVER ACTUALLY DIED THE DEATH OF HUMANS, THE FACT THAT HE NEVER BECAME
DUST
Me: He died just like a human, but he was not allowed to see DECAY because of a promise given to David’s son, of which is who Jesus was. God had promised David that he would beget his son making him into His own Son. First you have the son of David, before this son of David was born the angel said that he shall be great, he shall be called the Son of the Highest, and God would give him the kingdom of his father David, an eternal throne in the house of Jacob. His flesh was pure all right, because it had been BAPTIZED and then called to righteousness with the Spirit descending upon it like a dove, and God said to this son of David with the Spirit resting upon him in full measure having been begotten, “THIS is my beloved Son”. THEN this Son was SENT out into the world to preach, heal, deliver captives, be led by God’s Spirit, to walk perfectly in God’s ways as God had sworn an oath to David, as God had said he would direct all his ways.
As Jesus said he can do nothing of himself, what makes him GOOD, what makes him RIGHTEOUS, what makes him PURE without sin, is God’s Spirit resting upon him being FULLY LED by that Spirit.
This is true. The angel declared that the baby in the City of David was the messiah and Lord. Of course not all believe. Many are those who oppose the truth.
Hi T8,
On the day Jesus was born our savior was indeed born, and that savior is both our lord and our master. Such is by PROPHECY, or is prophecy just VANITY to you t8, worthless words not to be applied at all?
Is this KNEW t8, or is the angel speaking of a son according to prophecy?
31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
Savior, Anointed, and Master GIVEN to you t8, in PROPHECY, of which to you is apparently WORTHLESS WORDS, according to you we are to each speculate different ideas as to the angels words on the birth day of the child who is of prophecy, as even his conception was of prophecy, which you neither accept those words of God either.
Here is your ANOINTED, your Master, and your Savior t8, STOP treating God’s words, His promises as if they are meaningless.
1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, 2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, 3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion— to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair. They will be called oaks of righteousness, a planting of the LORD for the display of his splendor.
1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him— the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD— 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
Prophecy contains our savior, The Anointed, our master, and the child born on that day is the child of those prophecies. The angel was speaking TRUTH, and how do we know his words were true?
Why believe Luke 2:11, HOW do we know that the angel spoke truth? Is it confirmed elsewhere?
Are we not given the account of prophecy fulfilled?
YES we are as a matter of fact, and by such we can know that the angel’s words concerning the child were in fact true, by such we can know that God’s word spoken long ago by the prophets is true, and by such we may believe that our God fulfills His WORD.
It is given to us by Jesus himself,
18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, BECAUSE he has ANOINTED ME to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Your doctrine t8 is one of which seeks to AVOID God’s word, His promises, and turn each man to their own speculations.
You can’t even in the least be mindful that God DECLARED the End before He established the beginning.
YOU: Carmel please explain, how is it that the flesh of Jesus that was in all ways tempted as we are tempted, and was able to die as we die, be considered DIVINE?? God is NOT able to be tempted and God is not able to die.
Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God
ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.”
Through “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man.
Do you accept Jesus statement?
Now read scripture:
Isaiah 55: 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.9For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.10And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:11So shall my word be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it.
YOU: ……. God is NOT able to be tempted and God is not able to die.
Jodi, You yourself produced scriptures which simply declared that Jesus
EMPTIED HIMSELF! OF WHAT HE EMPTIED HIMSELF? OF HIS DIVINITY NO?
Jesus was RICH and BECAME POOR. OF WHAT HE WAS RICH? OF HIS DIVINITY NO?
YOU: how is it that the flesh of Jesus that was in all ways tempted as we are tempted, and was able to die as we die, be considered DIVINE??
How is it Jodi, that Jesus
BORN OF THE HOLY GHOST,
despite born a man cannot be considered DIVINE?
BUT IN YOUR POOR INTELLIGENCE A MERE ORDINARY CURSED MAN LIKE ADAM?
CAN A MERE HUMAN MADE OF A MERE HUMAN CANNOT BE A MERE HUMAN?
Now if I have a BLOCK of marble, and I crush this marble, would it become WOOD or something else, or it still remains MARBLE, SIMPLY NOT AS STRONG, SOLID, AND HARD AS IT WAS BEFORE?
“THE WORD” Jesus likewise IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD,
CRUSHED himself SPIRITUALLY, He an infinitesimal SPIRIT, spread His spirit in the entire process of creation, RIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. Precisely when God pronounced His first ever word:
LET BE LIGHT MADE! And from that moment on the entire infinite existence was for the first ever time illumined with endless spirits of God. Now within those spirits was
“THE WORD” Jesus to be, as the PRIMORDIAL LIGHT.
By which spirits God through “THE WORD” created the first ever creature
Lucifer, THE LIGHT BEARER, THE MORNING STAR, and ENGRAFTED eternally in his heart at all costs. AS ETERNAL LIFE, Was again
“THE WORD’ Jesus to be. From then on God through this angel created the heavenly realms.
Again in their heart was ENGRAFTED
“THE WORD” Jesus to be. God through Him created ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM and ALL FOR HIM.
BOTH THE HEAVENS and THE EARTH. Consequently by the time that IT WAS for Him to become a man, He weakens Himself of His divine Spirit, simply as he moved from creature to creature He left behind an infinitesimal spirit in all creatures’ heart, as eternal life. Hence He BECAME AS WEAK AS HUMANS ARE. But that doesn’t make him
THE SAME LUCIFER/SATAN’S SPIRIT as humans, simply, as humans through Adam’s SIN, were cursed, CORRUPTED and mortal. Nevertheless,
“THE WORD” Jesus to be, was slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world,
Engrafted in the entire creature’s HEART, as eternal life. Waited patiently for that moment in time of redemption, by which
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of man,
THOUGH DEAD IN HIS FLESH, precisely on the cross, as a SPIRIT, established THE TRUTH.
By which truth He established Himself as the
SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT IN ALL SOULS AT ALL COSTS.
Thus “THE WORD” Jesus confirms that
HIS POWER BECOMES PERFECT THROUGH WEAKNESS! Well mentioned in
2 Corinthians 12:9And he said to me: My grace is sufficient for thee:
for power is made perfect in infirmity. Gladly, therefore, will I glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
Now reflect:
“THE WORD” Jesus, as a SPIRIT, WAS CRUSHED AS AN INFINITESIMAL SPIRIT IN ALL HEARTS/SOULS, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB……. IN THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF CREATION. But once Satan, on Jesus death was removed from all souls,
HE AUTOMATICALLY BECAME
THE SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT AT ALL COSTS IN ALL SOULS BOTH GOOD AND EVIL. again:
THROUGH HIS DEATH!
WAS HE REALLY DEAD? IF FROM THAT MOMENT ON “THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man is
THE SUPREME RULER OVER THE ENTIRE CREATION.
Mentioned by Jesus in
Luke 23:46 And Jesus crying with a loud voice, said: Father, into thy hands I commend
MY SPIRIT……..
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, immediately on His death glorified and became
ONE SUBSTANCE with the Holy Ghost in His soul.
JESUS CHRIST. BOTH GOD AND MAN.
Jesus ruled earth as the sole sovereign spirit in all SOULS both good and evil at least till
Pentecost. God’s kingdom came, and God’s will was done on earth as it is in heaven. Consequently, humans were free from Satan’s dominion and his deliberate presence in their souls from conception, through Adam’s sin. From Pentecost, humans for the first ever time were
on their own free will to decide what spirit would abide in their souls, either “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, or Satan.
This is well clear in
James 1: 21 Wherefore, casting away all uncleanness and abundance of naughtiness, with meekness receive
THE ENGRAFTED WORD
which is able to save your souls.
Thus Jesus though He was MADE flesh, BORN OF A WOMAN, He was NOT born
IN ANY WAY AUTHENTIC AS HIS BRETHREN, but remained
DIVINE, proceeded from the Father, THE GENUINE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER.
If Jesus didn’t Leave behind an infinitesimal speck of His spirit in EVERY CREATURES’HEART/SOUL,
eternal life was not possible, and Jesus was not in the position to be born a human being. Simply as He would have been too powerful and detrimental for the human race.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
corruption – Phthora – that which is perishable
Jodi,
explain how the above STATE WAS ESTABLISHED!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, Jesus said he was “dead”, and “now” (after his resurection), alive for evermore. But you say he never died, he was the word and cou look never die, because he was from eternity right?
So again you reject Jesus’ own words. When are you going to start to believe him, i stead of all your “mysterious” religious teachings?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Carmel,
Perishing was established by God as a punishment.
The punishment given to man was death, MORTALITY, and when YOU die YOU perish, it is said to be the taking of YOUR LIFE, it is said to be the END of YOUR LIFE, your LIFE is OVER, you CEASE to exist, and what occurs when your life is over is your body decays/perishes and thus YOU return to the DUST.
Carmel, Jesus said he was “dead”, and “now” (after his resurection), alive for evermore. But you say he never died,
Gene,
Don’t tell me that you didn’t understand
PURE SIMPLE ENGLISH AGAIN!
Where did I say
Jesus never died?
I make it clear for you!
Flesh counts for nothing for God Gene.
Jesus immediately on His death became
THE SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT IN ALL SOULS.
No matter who.
DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? YES OR NO!
To make it clearer PONTIUS PILATE had Jesus in His soul, without being aware of it.
The entire human race HAD JESUS IN THEIR SOUL DESPITE LIVED AS EVIL AS EVER.
AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST! DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? YES OR NO!
This is well declared and predicted by Jesus before He DIED!
Luke 23:34 And Jesus said: Father, forgive them,
FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO…
MORE TO COME WITH THE HOPE THAT YOU START LOOKING AT JESUS FROM HIS
DIVINE SPIRIT FOR A CHANGE!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..NO to both of your questions, Jesus was nor is, the eternal spirit, God the Father Is, if the “spirit of the FATHER,”dwells in us just as it dwelt in Jesus , we will also be brought back to life from the dead m “exactly as Jesus was.
Or haven’t you read this, Now if the spirit of him (God) that raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwells in you “he” (God the Father) , will “ALSO” QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES.
That simple and no “mystery religious” twisting of scripures needed.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Carmel,
Perishing was established by God as a punishment.
Jodi, you are worse than Gene I’m afraid!
I used simple plain English, and I didn’t ask
WHO ESTABLISHED CORRUPTION!
ALSO, GOD DIDN’T ESTABLISH CORRUPTION OR PERISHING JODI!
God established
PUNISHMENT! OK? Be careful corruption has nothing to do with
PUNISHMENT!
HOW ON EARTH GOD THE MOST HOLY AND PERFECT ESTABLISH SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT HIS CHARACTERISTICS AND ATTRIBUTES!
The punishment given to man was death, MORTALITY, and when YOU die YOU perish, it is said to be the taking of YOUR LIFE, it is said to be the END of YOUR LIFE, your LIFE is OVER, you CEASE to exist, and what occurs when your life is over is your body decays/perishes and thus YOU return to the DUST.
Again Jodi, I didn’t ask to DEFINE the word
PERISH, or all that you wrote above! Thus I ask you again, hope you answer properly,
YOU: corruption – Phthora – that which is perishable
Jodi,
explain HOW the above STATE WAS ESTABLISHED!
IN THE MEANTIME:
YOU: …..what occurs when your life is over is your body decays/perishes and thus YOU return to the DUST.
Precisely Jodi,
The fact that God was not in the position to use
THE HUMAN SATANIC PROCESS, OR ITS FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE, AS A SACRIFICE, SIMPLY AS
SATAN WOULD HAVE WON THE BATTLE SINCE HE WAS
THE PROPRIETOR OF EARTH THROUGH SIN. Pin pointed out in
Mark 11:12 And the next day when they came out from Bethania, he was hungry. 13And when he had seen afar off a fig tree having leaves, he came, if perhaps he might find any thing on it. And when he was come to it, he found nothing but leaves. For it was not the time for figs. 14And answering he said to it:
May no man hereafter eat fruit of thee any more for ever!
And his disciples heard it.
Mark 3:27 27No man can enter into
the house of a strong man and rob him of his goods,
unless he first bind the strong man, and then
shall he plunder his house.
Matthew 4:1 Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain,
and shewed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them,
9And said to him:
All these will I give thee,
if falling down thou wilt adore me.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..Jesus seemed to think his flesh counted for something, but you don’t right?
Carmel your so confused, you don’t even know if you’re a foot or horseback. Jesus flesh body counted form my salvation, and God the Father thought it was important enough, to accept it as the payment for my sins. Which removed the eternal death sentence from me, now when i sin i am chasened by God for my sins, so that i am not going to be destoryed forever for them. Christs physical death on the cross for my sins is “very” important to me.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene,
Christ did not have to die. He did not have a body like ours.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
https://biblehub.com/psalms/8-5.htm
Psalms 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels.–Literally, thou makest him want but a little from God: i.e., hast made him little less than Divine. We should read, however, instead of “for thou,” “and thou hast made,” &c. The Authorised Version follows the LXX. in a translation suggested doubtlessly by the desire to tone down an expression about the Deity that seemed too bold. That version was adopted in his quotation by the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews (Hebrews 2:6-7). (See Note in New Testament Commentary.) Undoubtedly the word Elohim, being used to express a class of supernatural beings, includes angels as well as the Divine being (1Samuel 28:13; Zechariah 12:8). But here there is nothing in the context to suggest limitation to one part of that class.
Crowned.–Or, compassed.Pulpit Commentary
Verse 5. – For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels; rather, thou hast made him but a little lower than God (אלהים). There is no place in the Old Testament where Elohim means “angels;” and, though the LXX. so translate in the present passage, and the rendering has passed from them into the New Testament (Hebrews 2:7), it cannot be regarded as critically correct. The psalmist, in considering how man has been favoured by God, goes back in thought to his creation, and remembers the words of Genesis 1:26, 27, “Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness… So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him” (compare the still stronger expression in Psalm 82:6, “I have said, Ye are gods”). And hast crowned him with glory and honour; i.e. “and, by so doing, by giving him a nature but a little short of the Divine, hast put on him a crown of glory such as thou hast given to no other creature.” There is a point of view from which the nature of man transcends that of angels, since(1) it is a direct transcript of the Divine (Genesis 1:27); and
(2) it is the nature which the Son of God assumed (Hebrews 2:16).
Matthew Henry Commentary
8:3-9 We are to consider the heavens, that man thus may be directed to set his affections on things above. What is man, so mean a creature, that he should be thus honoured! so sinful a creature, that he should be thus favoured! Man has sovereign dominion over the inferior creatures, under God, and is appointed their lord. This refers to Christ. In Heb 2:6-8, the apostle, to prove the sovereign dominion of Christ, shows he is that Man, that Son of man, here spoken of, whom God has made to have dominion over the works of his hands. The greatest favour ever showed to the human race, and the greatest honour ever put upon human nature, were exemplified in the Lord Jesus. With good reason does the psalmist conclude as he began, Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth, which has been honoured with the presence of the Redeemer, and is still enlightened by his gospel, and governed by his wisdom and power! What words can reach his praises, who has a right to our obedience as our Redeemer?Carmel,
A warning from Gene: he says that if we do not listen to his baloney, we are found wanting. He claims that he is a prophet of God. So tremble at his words. LOL
Hi Jodi,
YOU: 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
From the above Jodi we are in a position to discern something which YOU, I’m afraid are simply BLIND! Read please:
23 But every MAN (SINGULAR)
in HIS OWN order:
CHRIST THE FIRSTFRUITS;
CHRIST IS UNIQUE ON HIS OWN, Got it Jodi? Jesus died because he opted to die, NOT AS HUMANS DIED BECAUSE THEY WERE/ARE THE ORIGIN OF SIN IN ADAM! DEATH/SATAN ENTERED THE WORLD THROUGH SIN. Consequently, Jesus could never remain DEAD as sin/SATAN had no power on Him. HE WAS PURE and INNOCENT!
JESUS ENTERED THE WORLD THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST
DIVINE PURE, DESPITE A HUMAN BEING LIKE ALL THE REST, BUT
NOT AUTHENTIC TO ALL THE REST
Jesus HIMSELF made the entire human race
AUTHENTIC IN HIMSELF ON HIS RESURRECTION. THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE RESURRECTED ANEW WITH JESUS.
HE BECAME POOR IN HIS SPIRIT; HE SPREAD HIS SPIRIT, AND SIMPLY ENRICHED HUMANITY WITH HIS SPIRIT IN THEM.
ETERNAL LIFE.
afterward
THEY (PLURAL)
that are Christ’s at his coming.
YOU: Carmel sown in corruption means being a mortal able to die and decay/perish,
Jesus was born in corruption
meaning he could die and his flesh could decay/perish.
NO Jodi, Jesus died because HE OPTED TO DIE FOR OUR SAKE, AS HE KNEW THE CORRUPTED STATE OF THE HUMAN RACE, PRECISELY BEFORE HE CAME INTO THE WORLD. SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
corruption – Phthora – that which is perishable
NO JODI, Jesus
WAS NOT BORN IN CORRUPTION.
With the above statement Jodi you are declaring that
THE HOLY GHOST IS CORRUPTED. SINCE JESUS WAS
OF THE HOLY GHOST!
Now read and discern the pure truth!
Luke 1:35 And the angel answering, said to her:
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and
the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also
the Holy which shall be born of thee
shall be called the Son of God.
Jodi A GOOD TREE BRINGS FORTH
GOOD FRUITS
A GOOD TREE
CANNOT BRING FORTH CORRUPTED FRUIT
According to
YOUR CORRUPTED MIND, FOR SURE
The above statement from Gabriel is
entirely CORRUPTED! YES JODI
You are simply proclaiming that
GOD ALMIGHTY, THE MOST HIGH IS
CORRUPTED
Now read please what Jesus declared about you in particular, with every respect!
Matthew 7: Beware of false prophets,
who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16By their fruits you shall know them.
Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
I KNOW YOU JODI!
Jesus is a MAN who was resurrected from the dead.
JESUS IS A MAN BORN AGAIN FROM THE DEAD! Are you in the position to clarify THE PHRASE
BORN OF THE DEAD
Colossians 1: And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, (PRE-EXISTED)
the firstborn from the dead, that in ALL THINGS he may hold the primacy:
Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth, who hath loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood
YOU: Jesus had WEAK FLESH Carmel,
How many times I told you Jodi that
WHEN IT COMES TO GOD
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING
IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE,
THE LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT OF THE HOLY GHOST
OF WHOM JESUS WAS CONCEIVED
THE GOOD TREE, WHICH BROUGHT FORTH
THE GOOD FRUIT IN
JESUS, THE SON OF MAN/SON OF GOD
WHEN HE WAS BORN,
NOT AT THE RIVER JORDAN, SIMPLY
OFFICIALLY PROCLAIMED,
WHAT IN ACTUAL FACT OCCURRED IN BETHLEHEM.
At the river Jordan Jesus was
INTRODUCED TO IZRAEL, LUCIFER’S SPIRIT THE LOST SHEEP.
YOU: how else could he be tempted? How else could he then condemn sin in the flesh? You don’t get it.
And how I get it!
You Jodi are not getting it!
Jesus had a weak flesh NOT IN THE SAME WAY AS HUMANS HAD THROUGH SIN! CORRUPTED!
Jesus had a weak flesh through His own process of redemption, AS ETERNAL LIFE. who was precisely
SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD! I don’t think you understand what that means, and the significance of it, for by it you are saved.
Jesus, as a spirit the Son of Man, “THE WORD” of God, who spoke throughout the OT. AS AN INFINTESIMAL SPIRIT was ENGRAFTED, as ETERNAL LIFE
ONE SUBSTANCE in every creature, as
THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
Consequently He weakened HIS SPIRIT, simply in order for him to live among humans without being detrimental to humans, by which process he was born in all things like His brethren! BUT NOT THROUGH SIN.
Jesus never sinned, and He never sinned simply as
HE WAS BORN OF THE HOLY GHOST. THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE HE WAS UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE HOLY GHOST!
The fact that 18 years of Jesus own life are HIDDEN.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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