- This topic has 3,867 replies, 21 voices, and was last updated 1 year ago by
.
- Posts
Carmel…..Good at least you have admitted the words I posted that Jesus himself and the Apostles said , you do not believe.
1 Tim 2:5 …..“for there is “one” God and “one” mediator between God and man, the “MAN” Christ (the anointed) Jesus”.
John 17:3…..” and this is life eternal, that they might know you, the “only” true God, and Jesus (the anointed) who you have sent”.
So if you don’t believe theses simple and clearly written words, I hardly think you are capable to teach us anything, concerning the truth of God. So indeed we are done.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Anthony…..you believe exactly as Satan wants you to , and in your teaching have completely , removed Jesus away from his brothers and sisters, making him a God, Jesus to you is simply an object to be worshiped, which you have no personal “idenity” with him. Your own word prove this, you believe your God Jesus saved you, I believe my God and his God, the “only” true God, saves me, through “his” flesh and blood offering, of his human son, the “man ” Jesus. Who he has glorified and given him great honour, so we do bow to Jesus “to the glory of God the Father”. We do not seperate Jesus from our likeness, as you and other false teachers do. We are looking forward to the return of “the son of man” who is a son of God “exactly as we are.
We remember what John said, “little childern keep yourselves from idols. , so we don’t make other Gods as trenitarians and other false religions do.
We have “only” one God and “one’ mediator between that “one” God, the “man” Jesus (the anointed one).
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Gene,
You: John 17:3…..” and this is life eternal, that they might know you, the “only” true God, and Jesus (the anointed) who you have sent”.
Me:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/5-20.htm1 John 5:20 (Greek text) …Jesus Christ he is the TRUE GOD and life eternal.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is TRUE, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit (Me: Christ 2 Cor 3:17) saith unto the churches. 7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, HE THAT IS TRUE, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Me: Gene, are you a liar? Was Christ ever a liar? If not, he is the son of God who is of the true God and is the true God.
You: 1 Tim 2:5 …..“for there is “one” God and “one” mediator between God and man, the “MAN” Christ (the anointed) Jesus”…
Me: Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Ezk 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:Gene,
Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of ONE HEART and ONE SOUL: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Me: We receive and bond with the promise of the spiritual seed, not of the seed of the flesh, but of the Christ’s human heart and soul of the spirit. The seed of David is from the spiritual seed of Abraham which are passed on to David and to the saints. Except for those called, the physical seed of Abraham had not received the promise of the Messiah’s heart and soul at the baptism of the holy spirit at Pentecost in Acts 1.
Me: This is the seed of the flesh of the Messiah. It is his human heart and soul of the Messiah. He received his own body not like our sinful flesh. For God gives every seed a body. It is the body of the holy spirit with Christ in it.
John 1:14 And the WORD was made flesh…
Me: This is the expressed image of the mind of God, the Word that pre-existed creation. This is the spirit mind of Christ. In this mind is the heart and soul of a man.
So Christ is the Son of God with the heart and soul of the seed of David. This is the man in the holy spirit in 1 Tim 2:5, not the flesh and body of a man. Christ was not of his new body until his second coming. He is the bright and morning star. You fail to distinguish between the son of God and the human soul and heart of the seed of Abraham and David.John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (Me: soul) shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet_______; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Hi All,
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/hebrews/2-17.htm
Heb 2:17 therefore it behooved [him] in all things his brothers be made like…to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Me: Did Christ have sin in his flesh? Was Christ made a little lower than angels? Does he not radiate like the bright and morning star? “Therefore it behooved [him] in all things his brothers be made like” pertains to being we being like Christ in all things and not Christ being like us in all things or 1 John 3:2 and Heb 2:17 contradict each other.
Hi Carmel and ALL,
YOU:
Isaiah 66:
7 Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man child.
Answer Jodi and Gene, Who is this SHE, that she brought forth, BEFORE she experienced any CHILDBIRTH PAIN, and even PREMATURE especially in those most terrible days of childbirth, nevertheless, and she brought forth
A MAN CHILD!
8 Who hath ever heard such a thing? and who hath seen the like to this?
Got it? The above has nothing to do with the SATANIC BIRTH process OF THE WORLD! Would your CARNAL mind allow you to KNOW the truth of THIS SUPERNATURAL PARTICULAR BIRTH?
shall the earth bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be brought forth at once, because Sion hath been in labour, and hath brought forth her children?
In the above, THE ENTIRE EARTH GAVE BIRTH,
IN ONE DAY.
Lets’ be clear: According to the above with a particular supernatural birth,THE ENTIRE EARTH BECAME A MOTHER, AND GAVE BIRTH TO
THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF EARTH! HOW?
Also, A WHOLE NATION WAS BORN, HOW? Then He saidbecause ZION, had been IN A PARTICULAR LABOUR, and GAVE BIRTH TO ALL HER CHILDREN: Let’s define again:
Zion scripturally is a reference to THE HUMAN SOUL. In the same way
Jerusalem is a reference to THE HUMAN BODY, and
Israel a reference to THE HUMAN SPIRIT.
Thus a PARTICULAR SOUL, IN A PARTICULAR LABOUR GAVE BIRTH TO
THE ENTIRE SOULS!
ME:
Carmel I do not know of any scripture that says what you have said about what Zion, Jerusalem, and Israel represent.
7 Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion (that is, the City of David).
Zion is the City of David, Jerusalem, prophesied to be the City of God, and in the prophesied City of God righteous HUMANS dwell. To be righteous one bust be BORN of God, born of His Spirit. Those born of the Spirit, are led by the Spirit, where God DIRECTS ALL their ways.
Isaiah 66: 5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies. 7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
The translators added the word “man” to define the word “child”, Zakar, MALE (of HUMANS and animals)
2. MALE (of HUMANS)Isaiah 66:7 (CJB) Before going into labor, she gave birth; before her pains came, she delivered a male child.
Isaiah 66:7 (WBT) Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a male child.
Isaiah 66:7 (YLT) Before she is pained she hath brought forth, Before a pang cometh to her, She hath delivered a male.
Isaiah 66:7 (NIV) “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son.
Isaiah 66:7 (NKJV) “Before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came, She delivered a male child.
One thing for sure Carmel is we are being told directly that the woman delivered a HUMAN MALE.
The woman represents ZION,
Isaiah 2: 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.
Obediah 1:17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
Out of Zion a MALE HUMAN is born, born of God, CALLED to righteousness, where God will hold his hand and keep him to be to be a covenant, a LIGHT to Israel and the Gentiles.
BACK to Isaiah 65,
Isaiah 65:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. 10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her: 11 That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory. 12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees. 13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem. 14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
WHO had heard of such a thing? A woman giving birth to a HUMAN MALE BEFORE she was in labor? Before her pain came she delivered a HUMAN MALE.
When this HUMAN MALE is born from Zion, will God close Zion’s womb? Will Zion not bring forth MORE CHILDREN? Will ZION be a nation filled with righteous children, as been prophesied and promised by God? Yes, but those children come forth out of judgement, of pain, from travail.
Isaiah 1:26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counselors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city. 27 Zion shall be redeemed with JUDGEMENT, and her converts with righteousness. 28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:
Romans 8: 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of OUR God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isaiah 65: 9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. 10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
Isaiah 66: 5 Hear the word of the Lord, You who tremble at His word: “Your brethren who hated you, Who cast you out for My name’s sake, said, ‘Let the Lord be glorified, That we may see your joy.’ But they shall be ashamed.” 6 The sound of noise from the city! A voice from the temple! The voice of the Lord, Who fully repays His enemies! 7 “Before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came, She delivered a male child.
ZION brought forth a MALE HUMAN, the seed of Jacob, of Judah, of Abraham, of Jesse, of David who was begotten by God, God having placed His Spirit upon him, anointing him to follow God’s will without failing, sending him out to preach the Gospel of God unto the people and fulfill the words of the Gospel. “for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.”
Those who follow and believe in this LIGHT will be persecuted, they will be DELIVERED through pain.
Revelation 2:10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. BE FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, and I will give you the crown of life.
Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.
1 Peter 1:7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory AT THE revelation of Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 12:5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: “My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.” 7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? …10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Carmel, the seed of Jesse and David was born AGAIN of God, born out of Zion as was promised being of the house of Jacob and of the tribe of Judah. At the river Jordan when Jesus said he needed to be baptized to fulfill all righteousness, he was speaking of Isaiah 11, 42, and 61, where the Spirit was going to come to rest upon him, and it did as it descended like a dove, a calling to righteousness where he was made like an angel of God, following God’s will without failing, to be LIGHT to Israel and the Gentiles.
He is the firstborn child of God of the resurrection, God DID NOT CLOSE the womb after He brought forth the Son of Man, as the coming of the Son of Man was indeed to save that which was lost. The Human Male had been born of God, and after travail Zion delivers more children, as we are joint heirs with the Human Male/Christ, being an heir of God, also being born again of the Spirit in FULL, so that God DIRECTS ALL our ways, so God WILL be ALL IN, each one of us.
Hi Carmel,
I don’t think you have responded, or I have missed it. But you seem to be in complete denial as to the birth of Jesus according to prophecy of Isaiah 7. You don’t believe in what is given, you ignore it and believe in a doctrine instead, as many on here likewise do also.
You as well as others, likewise deny that a HUMAN MALE of the tribe of Judah of the house of Jacob was anointed by God, having been BORN AGAIN of God, CALLED to righteousness. The significance of God being mindful of a man, God calling a man to righteousness, God directing all the ways of an actual HUMAN is of NO significance to you. I declare my belief in scripture and am told I am a liar. But this word of God is significant it has to do with our own salvation, if you don’t believe in him and what he received you shall not receive it neither, upon his return. As what he was given is that which we shall receive being a JOINT HEIR of God.
Firstborn of the resurrection seems to mean nothing to you as well as to others, you all brush it under a rug like it is DIRT, and I find it disgraceful.
Hi Carmel,
I don’t think you have responded, or I have missed it. But you seem to be in complete denial as to the birth of Jesus according to prophecy of Isaiah 7. You don’t believe in what is given, you ignore it and believe in a doctrine instead, as many on here likewise do also.
You as well as others, likewise deny that a HUMAN MALE of the tribe of Judah of the house of Jacob was anointed by God, having been BORN AGAIN of God, CALLED to righteousness.
The significance of God being mindful of a man, God calling a man to righteousness, God directing all the ways of an actual HUMAN is of NO significance to you, as you don’t even believe the written word. I declare my belief in scripture and am told I am a liar. But this word of God is significant it has to do with our own salvation, if you don’t believe in him and what he received you shall not receive it neither, upon his return. As what he was given is that which we shall receive being a JOINT HEIR of God.
Firstborn of the resurrection seems to mean nothing to you as well as to others, you all brush it under a rug like it is DIRT, and I find it disgraceful.
Hi TC,
YOU:Did Christ have sin in his flesh? Was Christ made a little lower than angels? Does he not radiate like the bright and morning star? “Therefore it behooved [him] in all things his brothers be made like” pertains to being we being like Christ in all things and not Christ being like us in all things or 1 John 3:2 and Heb 2:17 contradict each other.
ME: To be CLEAR a MAN who God was mindful of was MADE a little lower than the angels.
We are told that God anointed a HUMAN MALE, God called him to righteousness, God would DIRECT ALL the ways of this man.
When you say Christ made a little lower than the angels that is absolutely FALSE, when Jesus of Nazareth a man of the house of Jacob of the tribe of Judah of the fruit of David’s loins was MADE a little lower than the angels he BECAME the Christ, as he was anointed with God’s Spirit, CALLED to righteousness where God would DIRECT ALL his ways, where he would perform God’s will as the angels do.
No Jodi,
I have explained my position on this thoroughly to you many times. I do not want to waste any more of my time with your nonsensical theories. They don’t make sense and are not scriptural. I personally believe that you and Gene are under a demotic trance and keep repeating the same imbecilic message over and over again. If Carmel wants to answer you, then good luck to him.
TC…..What Jodi posted is scripture, not nonsensical theories, Jodi and I both try to stay right in line with scriptures, which you false teachers, like Anothny and Carmel, and yourself also reject. Even what you people post, doesn’t agree with each other . You say one thing, Anthony says another and Carmel says another. Don’t you think you people should first get your thelogies right first, before comming here saying all kind of things different from one another? Tell us what do you people believe that’s the same m that would be an interesting post.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Hi Carmel,
YOU:As all humans pre-existed as SPIRITS but once these spirits rebelled in heaven, God transformed them into MATTER., and through the process of our world, He regenerated them, discipline them, educated them, and established the physical substance by which Adam the first living soul was created, and was mature enough to decide for himself what to do,
ME: This statement is sure proof that you follow nothing but doctrines of men.
Please tell me more of this doctrine of “rebelling in heaven”?
Heaven as in which heaven? The sky, God’s righteous abode?
For anyone to speak of a rebellion in heaven as heaven representing God’s righteous abode is FUTILE, it is absolute garbage and it destroys the Gospel entirely. To preach such means that no one is secure, no one is actually free from sin, you make God into a liar, and you disgrace God entirely. No one FALLS from God’s abode, no one rebels from God’s abode, God’s abode IS RIGHTEOUSNESS and ETERNAL abode of rest. If you are born of God you are incapable of sin, you CANNOT FALL.
The carnal mind invents lies, doctrines of foolishness, doctrines of crafty deceit.
The word heaven is used numerous times in scripture to represent a person’s HIGH position, God raises UP kings and He makes then FALL. Men are called trees who God cuts down.
Isaiah 14 is speaking of the King of Babylon PERIOD.
Isaiah 14:8 “Even the cypress trees rejoice over you, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, ‘Since you were laid low, no tree cutter comes up against us.’ 9 “Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when you come; It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the earth; It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones. 10 “They will all respond and say to you, ‘Even you have been made weak as we, You have become like us. 11 ‘Your pomp and the music of your harps Have been brought down to Sheol; Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you And worms are your covering.’ 12 “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 “But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14 ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ 15 “Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit. 16 “Those who see you will gaze at you, They will ponder over you, saying, ‘Is this the MAN who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world like a wilderness And overthrew its cities, Who did not allow his prisoners to go home?’
THE MAN is likened to a TREE that is cut DOWN, falling to the earth. The King of Babylon is likened to the “star of the morning”, the planet Jupiter, the king of the planets. He was a king that made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, calling him the “star of the morning” Jupiter, fits quite perfectly as he was a king over other kingdoms making the world like a wilderness overthrowing it’s cities. A man who wanted to be like God and by his arrogance, his pride, God CUT him down like a tree, made him fall from heaven. God took his high position of power and cast him down, God took his high opinion of himself and likewise cast it down.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
The human spirit of the King of Babylon was one of pride, and what comes to those of a spirit of pride is destruction.
Isaiah 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him. 23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king’s matter.
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
God gives wisdom and power, He sets up Kings and he brings them down. A man who receives but does not acknowledge God but instead declares himself to be great, he thus becomes a slanderer against God a Diabolos/DEVIL a SAW-TAWN/Adversary to God, in his arrogance from the imagination of his own heart, his human carnal spirit/mind, he is brought down, cast out of heaven, laid low from his high position, a tree that reaches the heavens cut down to earth.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
The bright and morning star is the king of the planets, Jesus is an eternal king of kings why he is likened to Jupiter. When Jesus sits on his throne being a king over kings, he will not be cast down, such is impossible for he had been perfected, he had been called to righteousness, not just anointed with wisdom and power, but anointed with all the fruits of God’s Spirit, and having God ALL IN him, he did not slander God, he gave all credit to God saying that he could do nothing of himself. Jesus entered God’s REST, His abode, where one does not FALL, as it is an eternal rest.
Gene,
No forums have members that believe exactly the same on all doctrines. While we, excluding you and Jodi, do not believe the same on everything, we all believe that Christ is the son of God and is God (1 John 4:1). This is central in all those that oppose you. You and your idol Jodi do not believe in the true Christ. . You both are either imbeciles or demonic or both. I have brought up where you and Jodi have posted conflicting doctrines. Instead of addressing them, both you and her did not post for awhile, then post again not even mentioning the discrepancies as if time would bring a clean slate. You are going to deny this as both of you are liars and adhere to doctrines of devils and are not of God. I really do not wish to have anything to do with both of you anymore and consider it a disservice to myself by answering your posts here on and thus fellowshipping with you by doing so. Neither do I consider both of you as brothers or sisters in the Messiah and neither do I wish you Goodspeed. If you do not like this, then tough turkey.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in ____ flesh is of God:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_john/1-7.htm
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in _____ flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in____flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh (me: or one with flesh), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hi TC,
YOU:I have explained my position on this thoroughly to you many times. I do not want to waste any more of my time with your nonsensical theories. They don’t make sense and are not scriptural. I personally believe that you and Gene are under a demotic trance and keep repeating the same imbecilic message over and over again. If Carmel wants to answer you, then good luck to him.
ME:
Is this a theory to you TC,
Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And DECLARED to be the Son of God with power, ACCORDING to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
TC, NOW DO TELL ME SIR, that which is a nonsensical theory?
God promises that the child of David that He is going to give him his father’s throne, and that he shall be great, and that he shall be called the Son of the Highest and he shall be an eternal king reigning over the house of Jacob for ever.
The son of David, of Jesse God calls him to righteousness, He holds his hand and keeps him, directing all his ways, so that he shall let go captives. The calling of righteousness where one is remaining without sin, is how the children of God are manifested, they are born of the Spirit, led by the Spirit unable to fail, miss God’s mark. Jesus being full of the Holy Spirit returned from the Jordan and was LED by the Spirit.
Jesus spoke quoting Isaiah 61, he called it his anointing and him being SENT to deliver captives. A Son of Man having been anointed to save that which was lost. The son of David who before he was born was promised to be great, to be called the Son of the Highest, when the Spirit descended like a dove, God said, “this is my beloved Son”. We then read of him as having been FILLED with the Holy Spirit and power and that he was being LED by the Spirit. The anointing of Isiah 61 is said to be a call to righteousness TC, and one who is righteous who thus cannot sin, has been born of God, that is how we are told directly that the children of God are manifested. ALSO one who is LED by the Spirit it is said they are those that are the Sons of God.
TC God is to be ALL in ALL, those that are LED by the Spirit are the Sons of God, you are led by the Spirit by being CALLED to righteousness, being called to righteousness God is holding your hand, keeping you from sin, you have been BORN of God, manifested as a child of God. We are JOINT heirs with Christ being also an HEIR of God, being BORN of God’s Spirit being LED by God’s Spirit unable to fail.
There is no other man, no other offspring of Jesse who God calls to righteousness to be a covenant, to be a savior. There is ONLY ONE MORTAL who received the calling, only one elected from among the people, the people who God had made and had given a spirit to walk therein.
For God had promised,
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. 10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. 11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Acts 13:3 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
TELL me TC what exactly are these theories that you say I speak of? I believe all that is written. I believe in God’s promises TC and in their fulfillment.
Hi TC,
Do a study on the use of the word “Son of Man” in the OT, you have your own garbage theory giving your OWN definition to what the Son of Man means, fully ignorant that the term is used not just for Jesus. Taking the word Son and saying it means God’s Son that then is made into a man is pure garbage, it’s terrible, man made doctrine at it’s finest, DISGRACEFUL.
Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars,which thou hast ordained; 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him?
MAN – enowsh, MORTAL MAN
MAN – Adam, HUMAN being
SON – BEN, MALE CHILD
OF
MAN – Adam, HUMAN being
You got that TC, a BEN of ADAM, a Son OF a HUMAN.
David is speaking of God being mindful of a male human child, and God making this HUMAN a little lower than the angels.
It is after all the root of Jesse, the Son of David who is anointed, who is begotten by God.
It is after all the perfect MAN, who is the Son of God.
It is after all the seed of David who is God’s Son ACCORDING to the Spirit.
It is a MAN who God gives dominion of the works of His hands over to.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The LAST ADAM, the perfected HUMAN that God had called to righteousness, who God was mindful of, who God gives dominion over the works of HIS HANDS to, the one who shed his blood on the cross and was raised to life, the BEN of an ADAM sitting at God’s right hand, is the image of God.
Psalm 72:1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king’s son. 2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. 3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
God gives His righteousness to king David’s son, and he shall judge the people by that righteousness.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
TC, it’s ENOUGH, believe it, God CALLED the BEN of ADAM to righteousness, that is who Jesus is, a MAN born of God’s Spirit, having God’s Spirit rest upon him so that God could DIRECT ALL his ways, otherwise he could do nothing of himself. Not by his birth, but by his calling to righteousness through the Spirit. FIRST he is a BEN of ADAM, and then he becomes great, then he becomes a Son of the Highest, promised to be given an eternal throne over the house of Jacob, over his father David’s kingdom. We are given the scripture of fulfillment,
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
God is mindful of BEN of ADAM, he GIVES him the mercies that He had promised to David concerning his son.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
The son of David RECEIVING the promised Holy Spirit. We likewise are JOINT HEIRS to receive that promise, being an HEIR also of God. A human spirit given of God’s Spirit becoming a child of God, having God DIRECT ALL our ways, Him being ALL IN us HUMANS. As Jesus the son of David is a Son of God according to the Spirit, the Spirit also bears witness to our spirit that we are children of God, JOINT HEIRS.
TC it is ALL about God’s ANOINTING SPIRIT IN a HUMAN and it being a CALL to RIGHTEOUSNESS where a HUMAN can no longer sin, as ALL our WAYS are fully directed by God. Where there is no SIN there is NO DEATH, LIFE is eternal.
God made man and gave man a spirit to walk therein, we walk by our carnal mind, like a dog or a serpent, unless God gives us the mercy of His Spirit, being anointed with God’s Spirit is a witness to our spirit that we are children of God. God designed the human brain to be able to LEARN from God, to be made into His image, receive the fruits of His Spirit into our spirit, into our hearts, our minds. God’s Spirit can change man’s spirit of pride into a spirit of humbleness, God’s Spirit can change a man’s spirit from sadness to joy, from jealousy to understanding, from lust to self control, from anger to patience. Only God is good, as Jesus says, for Jesus could do nothing of himself it was all God being in him and with him, directing all his ways.
I don’t INVENT, the word of God is TRUE, it is not ERROR to say that the Son of God is of the seed of David made into a perfect man, a BEN of ADAM who God was mindful of and GAVE the mercies promised to David.
I am joint heirs with him, he is my brother and my king, I follow him because he has been sitting at God’s right hand getting ready to come down to give instruction so that we can follow him following his God and my God’s plan, his Father and my Father’s plan, in establishing an eternal kingdom filled with righteousness.
Carmel…..Good at least you have admitted the words I posted that Jesus himself and the Apostles said , you do not believe.
1 Tim 2:5 …..“for there is “one” God and “one” mediator between God and man, the “MAN” Christ (the anointed) Jesus”.
John 17:3…..” and this is life eternal, that they might know you, the “only” true God, and Jesus (the anointed) who you have sent”.
So if you don’t believe theses simple and clearly written words, I hardly think you are capable to teach us anything, concerning the truth of God. So indeed we are done.
Gene,
I said in my post that you are in the middle of
NOWHERE.
You Continuously
SCREAM
That you accept plain simple clear English, and I simply did answer you AS SUCH, but you didn’t understand simple plain clear English!
So here it is again :
BY THE WAY THE ABOVE
rumble-bumble you posted is not accepted!
Just post the appropriate scriptures please if you want aSPIRITUAL MESSAGE!
So as an answer to your post
NO!
Gene If in plain clear simple English I said
BY THE WAY THE ABOVE
rumble-bumble you posted is not accepted!I repeat
is not accepted!
How on earth when I said
NO you took it as an answer to the scriptures you posted?
I said no,
SIMPLY AS I WAS NOT READY TO ANSWER YOU IN RELATION TO THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED.not that I don’t believe!
Gene,
ONE MORE TIME!
Go ahead mention any verse, and contradict me using scriptures otherwise it’s absolutely,
USELESS!
MINE STANDS!
I am waiting!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
TC…..You and your coharts, have been weighed and found wanton, you have rejected what we have quoted you directly from scriptures over and over. These are not “our” sumations of what they say, they are “direct” quotes from scripture. WHICH YOU AND YOUR COHARTS CHANGE TO FIT YOUR PERSONAL “FALSE” TEACHINGS. ANYONE WHO HAS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH IN THEM CAN “EASILY” UNDERSTAND THEM JUST AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. No need for your own personal twists to try to make them mean something else that is not clearly written. The supposition you preach are just that “your suppositions” and are not of God, at all, but of the evil one.
We believe in our lord Jesus, and see him as a real flesh and bone “human being” who will soon return to this earth just as he left it,in the same resurected body that lives for ever.
I personally could care less if you believe it or not, the truth will stand no matter what you false accusers preach anyway. You say exactly to us what the Pharisies said to Jesus, they like you accused him of being of the devil. So i see that as saying we must be doing a job, seening you simply can’t stand the truth of the written word, but then neither could they.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Carmel, you “saying” i am in the middle of nowhere, means nothing to me or anone else as far as that goes. Don’t need no giant wording that means the same as yelling at someone. Just a simple answer will do. Lets try it again ok?
Do you believe these two scriptures?
John 17:3….”and this is life eternal, that they might know “YOU” the “ONLY” true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
1Ti 2:5…..”For there is “ONE” God, and “one” mediator between God and “men” the “MAN” Christ Jesus.
Do you believe this Yes or No?
It’s just that simple Carmel.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
The truth is neither Jesus is God or Jesus is an ordinary created man like us.
The Bible teaches us that the Word became flesh and Jesus Christ came in the flesh. It teaches that God created all things through the Word and created all things through the Son of God. Finally we see that when he returns, we see his name is the Word of God.
Steer clear of man made doctrines and creeds and instead, form your understanding from scripture. Read it for yourself like a child and believe what you read.
Be led by the Spirit of God and you will find that truth will be revealed to you and it will be different to these popular doctrines and creeds of men that some push here. Be wise, this is your life.
T8….part right ans part wrong, THE WORD BECAME FLESH, means God’s “word” ,came to fulfillment as the “flesh” man JESUS, IT DOES NOT MEAN that the word of God itself actually split away from God and became flesh, that is impossible for any word to actually become flesh, GOD IS SPIRIT AND HIS WORDS ARE SPIRIT, Him nor his words was nor ever is “flesh”. Remember what Jesus said, “the words i am telling you “are” spirit, and life”, And again , “the words i am telling you are “not” my word, but the words of him who sent me”?
T8… why can’t you believe what Jesus said? Jesus said the Father was “in” him, and telling him what to say and ho to even say it, God is a Spirit andcan abide in us, he was “in” Jesus reconciling the world unto himself. Jesus said he could do “nothing” himself the Father who was “in” him was doing the works. When are you people going to start believing what Jesus and the prophets have said?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
