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Hi Jodi
You said to Carmel:
ME: God’s Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive a human of the offspring of Abraham and David, just as was prophesied.
Carmel can you ACCEPT the prophecy of Isaiah 7 and the purpose for the virgin birth?
Me: How in the world can you talk about the virgin birth when you say that Joseph was Jesus Christ real Father? Which isn’t true, God’s His Father. David and Abraham are dead in the grave they know nothing.
God bless
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Jodi,
Explain how DID Jesus OVERCOME THE WORLD! AND BROUGHT ITS PROCESS INTO FUTILE? In relation to redemption. To be clear: CARNAL SINS ARE NOT SINS ANYMORE! Well clear in
Jeremiah:31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least of them even to the greatest, saith the Lord:
for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
DO YOU KNOW WHY, a sin against the Son of Man is forgiven and a sin against the Holy Ghost IS NOT? Jodi and Gene! LET ME HEAR YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY VERSION!
DO YOU KNOW, why and how Jesus SAVED THE WORLD! Pinpointed out by Jesus in
Mark11:14 And answering he said to it: May no man hereafter
EAT FRUIT OF YOU any more forever! ….
How on earth Jesus OVERCOME the PHYSICAL world, SATANIC throughout, and in the same time according to both of you, He was INTERMINGLED IN IT, as an EARTHLY man, MADE of the CARNAL seed of David, THE SPERM, in the same way, humans are.
Hence according to you
GOD TO HAVE HIS SON, USED THE PROCESS OF THIS SATANIC WORLD!
BY WHICH YOU simply are declaring that GOD IS SUBJECT TO SATAN!
According to your belief,
GOD WAS INCAPABLE TO FURNISH HIS SON WITH HIS OWN SUBSTANCE AS MUCH AS HUMANS ARE FURNISHED WITH THEIR FATHER’S SUBSTANCE.
You, Jodi and Gene,
are not ready to accept
even the simple truth that
AS MUCH AS humans are the satanic essence of their own fathers, IN THE FLESH, THROUGH CAIN!
JESUS IS THE DIVINE ESSENCE OF HIS OWN FATHER THROUGH ABLE.
The fact that Cain, Satan’s son of his own spirit, killed Abel, Gods’ Son of the Holy Ghost.
NOW, WHY? If Jesus was AN ORDINARY EARTHLY MAN of the actual CARNAL seed of David, God never used precisely the SEED OF JOSEPH?
WHO WAS THE ACTUAL CARNAL SEED OF DAVID?
What’s the use for God, to have His Son of the Holy Ghost, SINCE He ended up to be a Father of
AN ORDINARY MAN. It simply doesn’t make sense at all!
He wouldn’t be A GOD AT ALL, NO?
Also, scripture is CLEAR that God used
HIS OWN SPIRITUAL SEED throughout all the generations of both heaven and earth.
Genesis 3:15 I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed:
Do you think that the above-mentioned SEEDS ARE PHYSICAL?
Of heaven, MARY’S, the line of the SON OF GOD, in Adam, through SETH, and of earth, JESUS’ the line of the SON OF MAN, in Eve, through CAIN. SLAIN LIKE A LAMB….. Now read hereunder and discern the truth, IF, with every respect to you, YOUR stagnated MIND allows you.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord: Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool: what is this house that you will build to me? and what is this place of my rest?
Jodi in the above God made it clear that absolutely NOTHING OF EARTH PLEASES HIM, He simply made earth
A MERE FOOTSTOOL. HIS ENEMY!
HOW I REPEAT. HOW HE WOULD HAVE HIS SON INTERMINGLED WITH SATAN’S PROPERTY!
WITH HIS FOOTSTOOL! HIS ENEMY?
I REPEAT PURE MADNESS!
OUTRAGEOUS MENTALITY!!
2 My hand made all these things, and all these things were made, saith the Lord.
BUT TO WHOM SHALL I HAVE RESPECT, but to him that is poor and little, and of a contrite SPIRIT, and that trembleth at my words?
3He that sacrificeth an ox, is as if he slew a man: he that killeth a sheep in sacrifice, as if he should brain a dog: he that offereth an oblation, as if he should offer swine’s blood; he that remembereth incense, as if he should bless an idol. All these things have they chosen in their ways, and their soul is delighted in their abominations.
Did God use in any way the CARNAL SEED of the above satanic CURSED generations? Jodi and Gene! Or in actual fact
His SPIRIT, In “THE WORD” Jesus, was buried in it, as the life source OF ALL FLESH. The fact that
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS…….
4Wherefore I also will choose their mockeries, and will bring upon them the things they feared: because I called, and there was none that would answer; I have spoken, and they heard not; and they have done EVIL IN MY EYES, and have chosen the things that DISPLEASE ME.
5Hear the word of the Lord, (“THE WORD” Jesus, The Son of Man,) you that tremble at HIS WORD: Your brethren that hate you, and cast you out for my name’s sake, have said: Let the Lord be glorified, and we shall see in your joy: but they shall be CONFOUNDED.
WHY confounded Jody, if Jesus was AN EARTHLY ordinary SATANIC CARNAL man,
LIKE ALL THE REST, for sure they would have never BEEN SO! Something which Jesus MADE CLEAR in
John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world: cometh:
AND IN ME HE HAS NOTHING!
Does your MIND allow YOU to be aware of the TRUTH in the above?
What actually Jesus referred to when He said that Satan has NOTHING in HIM/Jesus, CONSIDERING that the world and its entire MORTAL CARNAL process was the property of Satan? Of which
SEX, MAN, WOMAN, SIN, and DEATH were his assets! Lucifer’s five wills in Isaiah 14:13.
Of which DAVID and ABRAHAM’S CARNAL SEED were part of, and you and Gene ignore the pure fact that in that SEED was “THE WORD”, Jesus, the Son of Man was SLAIN LIKE A LAMB …..in it, BURIED AS A TREASURE HIDDEN IN A FIELD!
Both of You are simply declaring that GOD WAS SUBJECT TO SEX, MAN, WOMAN, SIN, and DEATH! DON’T YOU KNOW THAT
DESPITE JESUS DIED, He was not actually
SUBJECT TO DEATH, LIKE ALL HUMANS ARE! He accepted DEATH simply to DESTROY IT. He simply in ONE INSTANT IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH
GLORIFIED ON THE CROSS! John13:31 HIS FLESH BECAME SPIRIT! BACK TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE.
In the same glory which He had with the Father before the world was!
HE BECAME ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST in His SOUL.
Well clear in
John 17:5 AND NOW GLORIFY YOU ME,
O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had, before the world was, with thee.
Let’s continue Isaiah 66:
All THAT in the next post
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Anthony,
ME: God’s Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive a human of the offspring of Abraham and David, just as was prophesied.
Carmel can you ACCEPT the prophecy of Isaiah 7 and the purpose for the virgin birth?
YOU: How in the world can you talk about the virgin birth when you say that Joseph was Jesus Christ real Father? Which isn’t true, God’s His Father. David and Abraham are dead in the grave they know nothing.
ME: I can talk of the virgin birth and say that Joseph is biologically Jesus’s father BECAUSE I believe in the POWER of God’s Spirit, if God can create the entire universe, He can quite simply have Mary conceive through taking the needed 23 chromosomes from Joseph and fertilize Mary’s egg with it.
Are you really trying to tell me my argument is not possible? One thing to say it is not true, but another thing to deny the power of God and what would be an extremely simple task for Him to complete.
The reason why I believe that this is true is because we are directly told that Jesus is of the stock of Joseph, that he is of the GENESIS (SOURCE/ORIGIN) of Joseph, just as the GENESIS or SOURCE of where you come from is from the DNA of your father.
The sign of the virgin birth was for the people to know that God keeps His promise, no other MAN from another tribe other than that of Judah from king David’s line would sit on David’s throne, not a temporary kingship either, but one promised specifically to be eternal.
Anthony God is not a liar, and He does have the power to fulfill His promise and His sign. Matthew 1 tells you that through Joseph Jesus is a son of David a son of Abraham. The ONLY way God could make that TRUE through a virgin conception, would be by Him using the power of His Spirit to supply Mary’s egg with Joseph’s chromosomes, a SIMPLE TASK for God.
These verses fits perfectly with what I believe, that Jesus is of the fruit of David’s loins, he proceed forth out of David’s bowels, he would be called the Son of the Most High, he would receive the kingdom of his father David forever more.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. ..15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me.3 Your throne shall be established forever.’ ”
Psalm 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psalm 132:17 There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed. 18 His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.
Luke 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Psalm 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.
Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them,Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
The Son of Man, Son of a Human, and whose son is he? David’s.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Hi Carmel,
Getting ready to read your post, I have to say your formatting looks nice, much easier to read!
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Jodi,
Explain how DID Jesus OVERCOME THE WORLD! AND BROUGHT ITS PROCESS INTO FUTILE? In relation to redemption. To be clear: CARNAL SINS ARE NOT SINS ANYMORE! Well clear in
ME: Jesus overcame the world because God rested His Spirit upon him, God held his hand and kept him from following the ways of the world, God DIRECTED ALL his ways.
YOU:Jeremiah:31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying: Know the Lord: for all shall know me from the least of them even to the greatest, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
DO YOU KNOW WHY, a sin against the Son of Man is forgiven and a sin against the Holy Ghost IS NOT? Jodi and Gene! LET ME HEAR YOUR CARNAL MENTALITY VERSION!
ME: God forgives, but you have to come to REPENTANCE FIRST, that does not equate to a carnal sin no longer being a sin. Paul teaches clearly that,
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
and James writing after Jesus paid the penalty for our sins, is still talking about carnal sins.
James 1″13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted* with evil, neither tempteth he* any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
More on what Paul says that speaks against you Carmel,
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
When we receive our glory at Christ’s return, an incorruptible body, there will be no temptation to sin from that body, and thus no more having to repent.
When God is ALL in ALL there shall be no more sin and no more death.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
DO YOU KNOW, why and how Jesus SAVED THE WORLD! Pinpointed out by Jesus in
Mark11:14 And answering he said to it: May no man hereafter
EAT FRUIT OF YOU any more forever! ….
How on earth Jesus OVERCOME the PHYSICAL world, SATANIC throughout, and in the same time according to both of you, He was INTERMINGLED IN IT, as an EARTHLY man, MADE of the CARNAL seed of David, THE SPERM, in the same way, humans are.
Hence according to you
GOD TO HAVE HIS SON, USED THE PROCESS OF THIS SATANIC WORLD!
BY WHICH YOU simply are declaring that GOD IS SUBJECT TO SATAN!
According to your belief,
GOD WAS INCAPABLE TO FURNISH HIS SON WITH HIS OWN SUBSTANCE AS MUCH AS HUMANS ARE FURNISHED WITH THEIR FATHER’S SUBSTANCE.
ME: Carmel you are not making any sense to me.
God did furnish Jesus with His own substance, in full measure. We are also promised that full measure.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. …8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the CHILDREN of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created MAN upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
Carmel, it is God’s Spirit that is a witness to a man’s spirit that he is a child of God. Jesus, the offspring of Jesse was CALLED to righteousness, where God would not allow him to fail, God would hold his hand and keep him, God’s seed would remain with Him as to DIRECT ALL his ways, keep him from sin. Such is being born again, being born of God, being a Son of God. NOTICE Carmel how God’s word says that THIS is HOW the CHILDREN of God are manifested. NOTICE Carmel how we are children of God being heirs of God, JOINT heirs with Christ.
Just as Jesus is a Son we are also Sons through the SAME means, such is why Paul says in Romans 1 that Jesus of the seed of David is God’s Son ACCORDING to the Spirit, as the Spirit bears witness to the human spirit that the human is a child of God, why Paul says in Ephesians 4 that the Son of God is unto a PERFECT MAN.
NOTICE what is said by Paul,
11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
God’s Spirit dwelt in Jesus in fullness upon the Spirit descending upon him like a dove. Such is how Jesus was called to righteousness by the fullness of God’s Spirit dwelling in him, where God is thus able to DIRECT ALL his ways. Not by some conception at birth, being born half God, as a baby coming forth not being able to speak or walk, knowing nothing.
The child grew with God’s grace upon him, he studied scripture and grew in wisdom, and when the time according to God’s will was right, God anointed him with His Spirit, calling him to righteousness, sending him out to preach God’s word and perform signs and miracles in God’s name.
3 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Carmel, Jesus tells you exactly when he was SENT, scripture tells you exactly when the Gospel that Jesus preached began to be preached, it began in Galilee after the baptism that John preached. Jesus was never sent from pre-existing, he was not sent forth out of Mary’s womb preaching. God did not GIVE His Spirit to Jesus without measure until the Spirit descended upon him like a dove, then being led by the Spirit he went to the wilderness, when he came out he began to preach God’s word and fulfill God’s word, beginning in Galilee. He performed signs and miracles according to God’s will and not his own because God was with Him, by His Spirit dwelling in him.
Jesus was not conceived as the One True God, Jesus was not conceived as half God half man, Jesus was not conceived being only in the form of a man. Jesus was conceived ACCORDING to a promise, as a human of the line of David, of the tribe of Judah, of the seed of Abraham, who was later born of God, born of His Spirit, having God’s Spirit DWELL IN him without measure upon it descending like a dove upon him at the river Jordan. Such was also according to a promise.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:
AS MUCH AS humans are the satanic essence of their own fathers, IN THE FLESH, THROUGH CAIN!
JESUS IS THE DIVINE ESSENCE OF HIS OWN FATHER THROUGH ABLE.
The fact that Cain, Satan’s son of his own spirit, killed Abel, Gods’ Son of the Holy Ghost.Jodi in the above God made it clear that absolutely NOTHING OF EARTH PLEASES HIM, He simply made earth
A MERE FOOTSTOOL. HIS ENEMY!
HOW I REPEAT. HOW HE WOULD HAVE HIS SON INTERMINGLED WITH SATAN’S PROPERTY!
ME: Carmel you are really off from what scripture teaches, you are drowning in complete darkness of man made doctrine.
SATAN’S property??
Let’s start with that,
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: 21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: 22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him. 23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king’s matter.
How about this,
1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. 9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? 10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. 12 I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life. 13 And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God. 14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. 15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? 12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.
Carmel the earth is the LORD’s footstool, how on earth do you take that passage to equate that the earth is thus SATAN’s property?
The earth is God’s, it is His footstool, and He is asking where is His place of rest? You use a footstool to rest your feet. All things on earth are coming forth according to God’s will, He sets up kings, He controls where the boundaries where men dwell. His purpose is to bring earth to be His place of rest, He is coming down from heaven to dwell on earth, and right now by His will things are occurring to make that happen.
Here is another passage for you that speaks of God’s hand in the world,
Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to* make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Carmel the earth is God’s property and He is doing with it as He pleases. He is WORKING upon it.
When you obey God’s commandments you are pleasing to God. God’s prophets writing down His words were pleasing to God. Hebrews 11 speaks of those from the OT who had faith in Him, they were pleasing to God and their faith is counted as their righteousness and they will rise from the dead to be made perfect when Christ returns. People can be pleasing to God at times and then not. If you walk after the Spirit God is dwelling in you, how is that NOT pleasing to God?
Jesus said ONLY God is good, making a point that he is not, he is only good because God was dwelling in him.
9 Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people? 10 And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing. 11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;
Coll 1:20 Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
Hi Carmel,
YOU:SEX, MAN, WOMAN, SIN, and DEATH were his assets! Lucifer’s five wills in Isaiah 14:13.
ME: I am reading verse 13 and what you say makes no sense, did you put up the wrong passage?
Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Carmel, can you tell me what it is that this Satan you speak of does?
This is what God does, as given earlier,
Isaiah 45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
and how about Deut 28,
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. 45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
So let’s see Carmel, according to scripture, it is God that brings forth illness, diseases, blindness, even madness, all types of UNCLEAN SPIRITS, that inflict the body and the mind. He causes men to dominate over others and enslave them, He brings forth pestilence, famine, drought, floods. Also from Daniel it is God that raises up kings and bring them down.
Also,
3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, 4 To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, 5 And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship.
It is God that gives man wisdom and understanding in all manner of workmanship.
What does MAN DO?
I gave a long list of scriptures already in a previous post so I won’t again now. Scripture directly says that Man invents wickedness from his OWN IMAGINATION, from within out of his OWN heart. MAN EATS the fruit of HIS OWN WAY. Without God man only knows what he knows naturally like a brute beast that is ignorant of God and carnal, only knowing how to serve the flesh.
What we see in scripture is that man is a SATAN- SAW-TAWN unto himself and other people, for his god is his belly, for he loves mammon. We see time and time again that MAN out of his OWN imagination is a FALSE ACCUSER a LIAR –DEVIL-DIABOLOS.
What we see in scripture is that God and His angel’s when they are bringing forth cursing, are seen by self-righteous men as SATAN- SAW-TAWN, in Hebrew meaning ADVERSARY.
So I ask Carmel, what exactly does this Satan or Lucifer you speak of do exactly?
Carmel, if God says that He ALONE, there is no one else, that brings forth darkness and evil, that it is done by Him through His powers, I am afraid your Lucifer that you are speaking of is nothing other than a false god that you believe exists. Denoting God’s powers that He alone says that He has to another being, is to make that being into a false god.
This topic should really be moved to another thread, I will pull up an old one.
Continue from the last post.
Isaiah 66:
7 Before she was in labour, she brought forth; before her time came to be delivered, she brought forth a man child.
Answer Jodi and Gene, Who is this SHE, that she brought forth, BEFORE she experienced any CHILDBIRTH PAIN, and even PREMATURE especially in those most terrible days of childbirth, nevertheless, and she brought forth
A MAN CHILD!
8 Who hath ever heard such a thing? and who hath seen the like to this?
Got it? The above has nothing to do with the SATANIC BIRTH process OF THE WORLD! Would your CARNAL mind allow you to KNOW the truth of THIS SUPERNATURAL PARTICULAR BIRTH?
shall the earth bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be brought forth at once, because Sion hath been in labour, and hath brought forth her children?
In the above, THE ENTIRE EARTH GAVE BIRTH,
IN ONE DAY.
Lets’ be clear: According to the above with a particular supernatural birth,
THE ENTIRE EARTH BECAME A MOTHER, AND GAVE BIRTH TO
THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF EARTH! HOW?
Also, A WHOLE NATION WAS BORN, HOW? Then He said
because ZION, had been IN A PARTICULAR LABOUR, and GAVE BIRTH TO ALL HER CHILDREN: Let’s define again:
Zion scripturally is a reference to THE HUMAN SOUL. In the same way
Jerusalem is a reference to THE HUMAN BODY, and
Israel a reference to THE HUMAN SPIRIT.
Thus a PARTICULAR SOUL, IN A PARTICULAR LABOUR GAVE BIRTH TO
THE ENTIRE SOULS!
Now all the above occurred on a particular day, and of a particular birth.
TO A PARTICULAR SOUL! And this particular SOUL ZION, was
A SHE.
Definitely not of CURSED SATANIC EARTH! OF SATANIC FLESH!
Definitely of GODLY HEAVEN and OF GODLY FLESH ON EARTH! NOW, ATTENTION PLEASE Jodi: By which the entire BIRTH process of the world became
FUTILE! USELESS REGARDING JESUS’ BIRTH! FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD!
IT IS BY HIS SPIRIT THAT HE ACHIEVES HIS DIVINE WORK, SUBJECT TO NO ONE never mind ABRAHAM, DAVID, or even MARY Jesus’ supposed mother though SHE WAS in a particular way.
Jesus, notwithstanding the fact that He didn’t use the human satanic process of the world, the only source for humans, NEVERTHELESS:
HE BECAME MAN IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
THAT’S HOW GOD THROUGH “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN WON THE WORLD JODI!
THAT’S HOW JESUS OVERCOME THE WORLD.
9Shall not I that make others to bring forth children, myself bring forth, saith the Lord? shall I, that give generation to others, be barren, saith the Lord thy God?
In the above it is emphatically clear that
GOD, HIMSELF GAVE BIRTH! HOW?
GOD, HIMSELF GAVE GENERATIONS? THE ENTIRE GENERATIONS! ALL IN
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, MADE of the SPIRITUAL seed of David!
Just reflect deeply for a while, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, travelled, both
THROUGH THE SEED OF ADAM, in SETH, as Son of God, the genealogy of MARY, Luke 3:23:38, and
THROUGH THE SEED OF EVE in CAIN, as Son of Man, the genealogy of Joseph. Matthew 1:1-17
A TWO MEN PROCESS, one sows, and one reaps, mentioned by Jesus in
John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37For in this is the saying true: That it is one man that soweth, and it is another that reapeth.
BUT FOR SURE as A SPIRIT, not as a SPERM,
Flesh counts for nothing when it comes to God.
Thanks to “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, God uses whatever it pleases Him to be.
I AM THAT I AM, I AM WHAT I AM, I AM WHO I AM.
In the same way it pleased Him to be in the burning bush, of Moses, in the cloud, in the fire, in the mountain, in the whistling of a gentle air, heard by Elijah, and the most significant in the Dove, followed by the tongues of fire on Pentecost. But for sure
HE WAS NONE OF THEM AS SUCH.
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS, and darkness
COMPREHENDED NOT, I’m afraid in the same way you Jodi and you Gene
WILL NEVER COMPREHEND and respect
GOD’S DIVINE MYSTERIOUS WORK ESPECIALLY IN ORDER TO HAVE HIS SON JESUS IN FLESH! Well specifically clear hereunder:
10Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all you that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all you that mourn for her.
11That you may suck, and be filled with the breasts of her consolations: that you may milk out, and flow with delights, from the abundance of her glory.
12For thus saith the Lord: Behold I will bring upon her as it were a river of peace, and as an overflowing torrent the glory of the Gentiles, which you shall suck; you shall be carried at the breasts, and upon the knees they shall caress you.
In the above, JERUSALEM IS THE FLESH BODY OF JESUS!
“THE WORD” Jesus’ FLESH, the Son of Man
As a SPIRIT is both MALE and FEMALE androgynous! As much as God is.
Be aware of this wisdom of God:
“THE WORD” Jesus in His FLESH is
MARY,
as much as MARY in her SOUL/HEART is
“THE WORD” JESUS.
The fact that the HEAD OF THE WOMAN IS THE MAN!
13As one whom the mother caresseth, so will I comfort you, and you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
Got it?
GOD AS A MOTHER CARESSETH THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE IN THEIR FLESH BODY! PRECISELY IN
JERUSALEM, Jesus’ FLESH BODY!
“THE WORD” the Son of Man, HOW?
Jesus Christ integrated AS ONE SUBSTANCE
BOTH THE HUMAN DIVINE FLESH sacrificed as the perfect ransom on the cross,
IN EXCHANGE FOR THE HUMAN FLESH,
and THE HUMAN SATANIC FLESH through Eve’s Sin, listen to this Jodi and Gene,
Born anew from the dead, the firstborn from the dead,
SPIRITUALLY DEAD, both in hell and on earth,
ON HIS RESURRECTION,
Originally: SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, in the
The SPIRITUAL seed of CAIN, born of Eve’s seed, satanic, the son of perdition.
Now this is a bit mind-boggling for you with every respect, since you are more carnally minded, and the spirit is dead.
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, in the
SPIRITUAL seed of CAIN, born of Eve’s seed, satanic, the son of perdition. Eventually
MADE OF THE CARNAL SEED OF DAVID, NOT THE ACTUAL SPERM,
BUT ONLY THE SPIRIT IN IT.
Was purchased on the cross, by
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, THE PERFECT DIVINE FLESH, through the spiritual SEED of SETH, born of Adam’s seed, the Holy Ghost.
A TWO MEN PROCESS! One sows, and one reaps!Mentioned by Jesus in:
John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37For in this is the saying true: That it is one man that soweth, and it is another that reapeth.
Jodi,
In the process of redemption there were two kind of flesh one the generations of heaven and one the generations of earth. One the genealogy of Mary, the flesh of angels, by which Mary was BUILT, of which DAVID had a PORTION, for the Son of God, through SETH, THE JEWS. and one the genealogy of the antichrist, the flesh of the devils, the gentiles, through CAIN, precisely the Son of Man, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB……. BUT since related to the FLESH BOTH through
“THE WORD” made flesh. Jesus. Thus from the genealogy of Mary, Jesus was born with the divine flesh, as the Son of God, and from the genealogy of Cain He was born as the Son of Man,
IN HIMSELF. by which Satan believed that he was supposed to be born as the antichrist. Consequently, once Jesus was born as a human being He was born EMBODIED in the entire human race
BOTH GOOD and EVIL, simply to redeem the entire human race ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM.
MORE TO COME
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
YOU : What do you mean by SATANIC?
It is very simple: THE OPPOSITE TO GODLY!
You keep using the term carnally minded. How about you define that too?
It is very simple as well: WE ARE THROUGHOUT CARNAL and live carnally minded all the time, opposite to God
WHO IS THROUGHOUT SPIRITUALLY MINDED, EVEN IN HIS SON DESPITE HE WAS CARNAL. Thus through our mind, we are in a position to honor, and please God if, instead we remain incessantly CARNALLY MINDED our nature, SATANIC through Eve’s SIN, THE MOTHER OF ALL FLESH, we completely make a drastic SHIFT and AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE live like God, NOT POSSIBLE ON EARTH, hence
SPIRITUALLY MINDED.
And Jesus looking on them, saith with men it is impossible; but not with God. For all things are possible with God.
When we read scripture carnally minded, we will never get to the TRUTH, since scripture intentionally was written SPIRITUALLY MINDED to please God and to manifest God’s PERFECT PURE TRUTH, through writing, GOD’S WORD.
EXAMPLE: Jesus was born outside Jerusalem.
The above is the truth when we read it carnally minded!
But reading it spiritually minded it would be
THE PERFECT PURE TRUTH!
Now discover it!
TO GIVE YOU A HINT
SPIRITUALLY MINDED JERUSALEM IS THE HUMAN FLESH BODY.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
“mystery concepts”. Jesus was a “true human being” in every sense of the word. He came into being “exactly” as we do.
Gene,
Substantiate the above in order to eliminate THE LEAST DOUBT!
I TELL YOU THAT JESUS WAS NOT EVEN BORN, AND HE STILL
CAME
IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
Obvious with the exception of His birth at least. To give you a hint!
IN THE SAME WAY EVE CAME! The mother of all FLESH, as much as Jesus was
THE FATHER OF ALL FLESH. as much as God is the Father of all spirits.
John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, …….
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Carmel……you do not accept Jesus as our “real” brother at all. So why use the words in “all” things like his brethern. Seening you believe he was a prexisting God, or being of some kind, were we also preexisting being?
Truth is you don’t see yourself anything like Jesus whatsoever. You believe in a “morphed” Super being of somekind, who was morphed into a human body, “desguising” himself as a human. You are up to your eyeballs in pagan teachings and don’t even know it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi All
This can all be found on Wikipedia
Christology (from Greek Χριστός Khristós and -λογία, -logia), literally “the understanding of Christ,” is the study of the nature (person) and work (role in salvation) of Jesus Christ. It studies Jesus Christ’s humanity and divinity, and the relation between these two aspects; and the role he plays in salvation.
The earliest Christian writings gave several titles to Jesus, such as Son of Man, Son of God, Messiah, and Kyrios, which were all derived from the Hebrew scriptures. These terms centered around two themes, namely “Jesus as a preexistent figure who becomes human and then returns to God,” and “Jesus as a creature elected and ‘adopted’ by God.”
Until the middle of the 2nd century, such terms emphasized two themes: that of Jesus as a preexistent figure who becomes human and then returns to God and that of Jesus as a creature elected and “adopted” by God. The first theme makes use of concepts drawn from Classical antiquity, whereas the second relies on concepts characteristic of ancient Jewish thought. The second theme subsequently became the basis of “adoptionist Christology” (see adoptionism), which viewed Jesus’ baptism as a crucial event in his adoption by God.
Two fundamentally different Christologies developed in the early Church, namely a “low” or adoptionistChristology, and a “high” or “incarnation Christology.” The chronology of the development of these early Christologies is a matter of debate within contemporary scholarship.
The “low Christology” or “adoptionist Christology” is the belief “that God exalted Jesus to be his Son by raising him from the dead,” thereby raising him to “divine status.”According to the “evolutionary” “evolutionary theories,” the Christological understanding of Christ developed over time, as witnessed in the Gospels, with the earliest Christians believing that Jesus was a human who was exalted, adopted as God’s Son,when he was resurrected. Later beliefs shifted the exaltation to his baptism, birth, and subsequently to the idea of his eternal existence, as witnessed in the Gospel of John.
Adoptionism, also called dynamic monarchianism, is a Christian nontrinitarian theological doctrine which holds that Jesus was adopted as the Son of God at his baptism, his resurrection, or his ascension. Under adoptionism Jesus is currently divine and has been since his adoption, although he is not equal to the Father, per “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). and as such is a kind of subordinationism. Adoptionism is sometimes, but not always, related to denial of the virgin birth of Jesus.
Me: Jesus as a preexistent figure who becomes human and then returns to God,”
Jodi and Gene: Jesus as a creature elected and “adopted” by God.
Me: If Jesus Christ was adopted by anyone it was Joseph, for a legal connection only, not a biological connection. The blood line goes through the male.
Note: Nontrinitarianism is a form of Christianity that rejects the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity—the teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons who are coeternal, coequal, and indivisibly united in one being, or essence (from the Greek ousia).
Jodi and Gene: Nontrinitarianism
Me: Nontrinitarianism
Note: Nontrinitarian views differ widely on the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Various nontrinitarian philosophies, such as adoptionism, monarchianism, and subordinationism existed prior to the establishment of the Trinity doctrine in AD 325, 381, and 431, at the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.
Me: subordinationism, is eternal
Jodi and Gene: I don’t know how they believe. ???? I would assume that they would believe in sobordinationism after Jesus Christ Baptismal. Not eternal.
Note: The Divine and The Human Nature of Jesus Christ. In response to Eutychianism, the Council adopted dyophysitism, which clearly distinguished between person and nature, stating that Christ is one person in two natures, but emphasizes that the natures are “without confusion, without change, without division, without separation”. Miaphysites rejected this definition as verging on Nestorianism and instead adhered to a wording of Cyril of Alexandria, the chief opponent of Nestorianism, who had spoken of the “one (mia) nature of the Word of God incarnate” (μία φύσις τοῦ θεοῦ λόγου σεσαρκωμένη mia physis tou theou logou sesarkōmenē). The distinction of this stance was that the incarnate Christ has one nature, but that nature is still of both a divine character and a human character, and retains all the characteristics of both. Though the Miaphysites condemned Eutychianism, the two groups were both viewed as monophysites by their opponents.
Divine nature and human nature= new nature. Two nature became one nature.
Me: like Cyril of Alexandria,
Jodi and Gene: Human Nature, after Jesus Christ Baptismal Human and Divine, maybe ??????? I really don’t know.
See Jodi and Gene: that Jesus Christ got adopted by God at His Baptismal and they don’t even know it, Gene say they didn’t believe like this in the early church.
Me: Gene it’s a fact that they did.
Jodi and Gene: There close to the Ebionites.
Adoptionism was also adhered to by the Jewish Christians known as Ebionites, who, according to Epiphanius in the 4th century, believed that Jesus was chosen on account of his sinless devotion to the will of God.
The Ebionites were a Jewish Christian movement that existed during the early centuries of the Christian Era. They show strong similarities with the earliest form of Jewish Christianity, and their specific theology may have been a “reaction to the law-free Gentile mission.” They regarded Jesus as the Messiah while rejecting his divinity and his virgin birth, and insisted on the necessity of following Jewish law and rites. They used the Gospel of the Ebionites, one of the Jewish–Christian gospels; the Hebrew Book of Matthew starting at chapter 3; revered James the brother of Jesus (James the Just); and rejected Paul the Apostle as an apostate from the Law. Their name (Greek: Ἐβιωναῖοι Ebionaioi, derived from Hebrew אביונים ebyonim, ebionim, meaning “the poor” or “poor ones”) suggests that they placed a special value on voluntary poverty.
Distinctive features of the Gospel of the Ebionites include the absence of the virgin birth and of the genealogy of Jesus; an Adoptionist Christology,in which Jesus is chosen to be God’s Son at the time of his Baptism.
A form of adoptionism surfaced in Unitarianism during the 18th century as denial of the virgin birth became increasingly common, led by the views of Joseph Priestley and others.
A similar form of adoptionism was expressed in the writings of James Strang, a Latter Day Saint leader who founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite) after the death of Joseph Smith in 1844. In his Book of the Law of the Lord, a purported work of ancient scripture found and translated by Strang, he offers an essay entitled “Note on the Sacrifice of Christ” in which he explains his unique (for Mormonism as a whole) doctrines on the subject. Jesus Christ, said Strang, was the natural-born son of Mary and Joseph, who was chosen from before all time to be the Savior of mankind, but who had to be born as an ordinary mortal of two human parents (rather than being begotten by the Father or the Holy Spirit) to be able to truly fulfill his Messianic role. Strang claimed that the earthly Christ was in essence “adopted” as God’s son at birth, and fully revealed as such during the Transfiguration. After proving himself to God by living a perfectly sinless life, he was enabled to provide an acceptable sacrifice for the sins of men, prior to his resurrection and ascension.
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YOU: Carmel……you do not accept Jesus as our “real” brother at all.
Gene, Jesus became our real AUTHENTIC brother on His resurrection, not when He came into the world.
YOU: So why use the words in “all” things like his brethren.
IN ALL THINGS LIKE His brethren is not AUTHENTIC to His brethren.
The fact that Jesus came into this world
in all things LIKE His brethren,
it shows WELL CLEARLY that HE WAS NOT in all things like His brethren BEFORE He came.
In the same way when a man IN A WAY OR ANOTHER, change himself to the extent that
He becomes in all things like a woman. Thus
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man CHANGED HIMSELF,
HE EMPTIED HIMSELF AND BECAME POOR FROM HIS DIVINITY TO THE EXTENT THAT
HE CAME INTO THIS WORLD
IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
The genuine and the most appropriate human /divine substance for our SAKE, to be in a position to carry
GOD THE FATHER IN HIM!
Gene, I respect you CARNAL MENTALITY, but in that kind of mentality, you are not in the position to even SMELL the SPIRITUAL MENTALITY of scripture.
Now to make you aware what I mean read and try to define, precisely the phrase
IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
FROM THE SPIRITUAL MENTALITY OF SCRIPTURE!
HAVE FUN!
YOU: Seening you believe he was a prexisting God, or being of some kind, were we also preexisting being?
The above is a confirmation that you are not aware of OUR ORIGIN! It’s really BAD, for a Christian, ex gentile. unless you are a JEW.
WE PRE-EXISTED MORE THAN YOU THINK! BUT AS A SPIRITS!
Precisely, the fact that Jesus came onto this planet
IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
As all humans pre-existed as SPIRITS but once these spirits rebelled in heaven, God transformed them into MATTER., and through the process of our world, He regenerated them, discipline them, educated them, and established the physical substance by which Adam the first living soul was created, and was mature enough to decide for himself what to do,
WITH HIS OWN FREE WILL.
YOU: Truth is you don’t see yourself anything like Jesus whatsoever.
Yes, all humans/ Christians are another Jesus.
SIMPLY, I REPEAT: AS FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME
JESUS RESURRECTED IN ALL THINGS
AUTHENTIC
TO HIS BRETHREN. EX SATANIC!
ORIGINALLY SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.Rev.13:8
Jesus gave His perfect divine flesh body, “THE WORD” as a ransom
IN EXCHANGE FOR THE HUMAN FLESH EX SATANIC, PURCHASED BY HIS OWN BLOOD ON THE CROSS, AND ONCE HE PURCHASED IT,
HE BECAME ITS PROPRIETOR AND WAS IN A POSITION TO RESURRECT WITH IT!
God the Father furnished Jesus with a body, property of the Father, simply to do THE FATHER’S WILL and offer it as a sacrifice, and in doing so He simply gave it back to the Father, and
in return the Father gave him
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE in himself, IN HIS EMBODIMENT.
IN WHOM originally, HE WAS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
OK, Gene? I make it emphatically clear:
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, COMBINED ARE
ONE BODY, ONE SOUL, and ONE SPIRIT, “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
SO WE ARE ANOTHER JESUS,
simply POURED OVER THE WORLD AS HUMANS.IT’S UP TO US TO ACT LIKEWISE. ESPECIALLY AS CHRISTIANS.
Well emphatically clear in
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore, when he cometh into the world he saith: Sacrifice and oblation thou wouldest not:
but a body thou hast fitted to me.
6Holocausts for sin did not please thee.7Then said I: Behold I come: in the head of the book it is written of me: that I should do thy will, O God.
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of man from the cross, OFFICIALLY occupied ALL SOULS/HEARTS of
THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, and became the
SOLE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT OF THE WORLD, AND RULED EARTH AS HE SEEMED FIT AT LEAST TILL PENTECOST. This is camouflaged in Jesus own words in
Luke 17: 24 For as the lightning that lighteneth from under heaven shineth unto the parts that are under heaven, so shall the Son of man be in his day. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26And as it came to pass in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat and drink, they married wives and were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28Likewise as it came to pass in the days of Lot. They did eat and drink, they bought and sold, they planted and built. 29And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man shall be revealed. 31In that hour, he that shall be on the housetop, and his goods in the house, let him not go down to take them away: and he that shall be in the field, in like manner, let him not return back. 32Remember Lot’s wife. 33Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose it shall preserve it. 34I say to you: In that night there shall be two men in one bed. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. 35Two women shall be grinding together. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. Two men shall be in the field. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. 36They answering, say to him: Where, Lord? 37Who said to them: Wheresoever the body shall be, thither will the eagles also be gathered together.
Now a bit MIND-BOGGLING FOR YOU GENE, with every respect.
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man originally slain like a lamb……
Resurrected: In the authentic human flesh body ex satanic.
THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD!
Born again anew: HERE IT COMES GENE: From the
SPIRITUALLY dead, both in hell and on earth.
A MAN BORN AGAIN ANEW!
Mentioned by Jesus in
John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him: Amen, amen, I say to thee,
unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
The above statement by Jesus Gene is a direct reference to HIMSELF on His resurrection as Son of Man originally slain……. But it is a bit too much for your CARANALLY MINDED INTELLIGENCE. Let’s clarify.
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man , WAS SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, …..
BUT ON JESUS’ DEATH, THE PERFECT DIVINE MAN,
Jesus , originally slain…..BECAME ALIVE, and
RESURRECTED In the authentic human flesh body ex satanic.
ONE MAN DIES/GLORIFIES and ONE MAN RESURRECTS/GLORIFIES,
A TWO MEN PROCESS! Mentioned by Jesus in
John4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37For in this is the saying true: That it is
one man that soweth, and it is another that reapeth.
THEN BOTH BECAME
ONE
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST!
Thus Jesus on His resurrection established the entire human race authentic in Himself.
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man integrated
THE AUTHENTIC MAN EX SATANIC, WITH THE DIVINE PERFECT MAN!
Jesus being RICH in His divinity, became poor in order to
ENRICH US. mentioned hereunder:
2 Corinthians 8:9For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that being rich he became poor for your sakes: that through his poverty you might be rich.
“THE WORD” Jesus the Son of Man, AS A SPIRIT/MEDIATOR is between
the divinity of GOD and the authentic human race.
Spirit/SOUL/flesh
The kingdom of the Son.
The fact that Jesus said in
Matthew 25:31And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32And all nations shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.34Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: 36Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink? 38Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee? 39Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee? 40And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.41Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink. 43I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me. 44Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to thee? 45Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
Galatians 3:26 For you are all
CILDREN OF GOD, by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized in Christ HAVE PUT ON CHRIST. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you be Christ’s, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.
YOU: You believe in a “morphed” Super being of somekind, who was morphed into a human body, “desguising” himself as a human.
Well, what do you expect from a CARNAL MINDED PERSON!
YOU: You are up to your eyeballs in pagan teachings and don’t even know it.
I RESPECT YOUR POOR AND CHILDISH INTELLIGENCE!
ENJOY YOUR OWN MILK!
Peace and love in Jesus
Carmel…..There isn’t a trace of of truth in what you have put together. Just pure “mystery” pagan garbage.
In my opinion You are very confused my friend, you have bought into all the lies fostered by fallen christanity?
Like Anthony,you have allowed yourself to be caught up in a Web of “lies” , and there you are being held.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
There isn’t a trace of of truth in what you have put together. Just pure “mystery” pagan garbage.
Gene,
Your words are proof that you are in the middle of nowhere.
Unless you contradict me using scriptures:
MINE STANDS
Go ahead Gene show me that GOD IS WITH YOU, and gives you light.
Not just say useless comments without any reference to a particular verse in my post supported by scripture!
Go ahead mention any verse, and contradict me otherwise it’s absolutely,
USELESS!
It’s a confirmation that you are a
BLA, BLA, BLA, PERSON!
I am waiting
Brilliant Mr. Gene
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Carmel……here’s another scripture, you can twist up to say what in fact it dosen’t say. ” unto us (true believers) “there is “ONE” GOD, AND “ONE” MEDERATOR between “GOD” and men, the “MAN” JESUS . This is another that goes right along with it, “that they might know you , the “only” true GOD., “AND” Jesus who you have sent.
Now before you run all over the place please tell us if you believe that or not? , no need to Go any further through a maze of twist and turns to deny thesee words. I have many others, but tell us truthfully do you “honestly”believe what it says. Yes or no.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
ANTHONY…..First off I don’t know or even care about the belife of others, I believe what God through his spirit of truth has shown me, and I am not alone because others do also, like Jodi, few through there be,but thats is what scriptures says would happen, “many called few chosen ” , you have put you trust in what other have said, in the past, I don’t do that, I go by what scripture “clearly” says to me “now”.
I believe in “one” God, and “one” mediator between that “one” God , and mankind, the “Man” JESUS M the anointed one. now that frist CLEAR, and secondly simply to understand, and anything you or your fellow false teachers, say in any way that changes that, I treat as false. , I also believe what Jesus himself said, “that they might know you the “only” true God , and Jesus who “you” have sent. ” I also believe I am a Son of God, “exactly” as Jesus is also a Son of God, being born of the Spirit of the Father God. I am looking forward to a human being like me comming to this earth from God the Father to excuse judgement on this earth and hope I will be with him when he returns.
I do not put my faith in others men’s renditions given through endless books that have been written that destort the truth of God and his words. You people rely on all these “other” peoples renditions of what scriptures say, so you are lead down a trail of darkness, with all kinds of “mysterious teachings”. Like it says “ever learning , but never comming to the truth. simply the blind leading the blind, more more in the trench they are in. I will stay with the few thing I have been shown that are clearly and simply written.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene 👋
You know what Gene I know how you believe, a d it’s wrong. I can’t help it if your a idiot, and don’t read what the early church believed, special eye witness’s that walk with the apostle, and how they believed in truth, that because you teach a false gospel. Remember when you told me they didn’t believe like that ,that it was a modern belief that I was speaking of “Adoptionism” you were wrong and still are, my post show you what was modern Adoptionism, take another look at what I wrote. This debate been going on all through out the church age and still is. I could care less about how you believe it’s all about how I believe and I will be accountable for what I teach and so will you. As far has I’m concerned your a deceiver, and a idiot you don’t read history about the Old Testament or the New Testament, Church history, specially when it goes against your false teaching’s. Please Gene you talk like you and your master Jodi are the only ones right, you only have truth, if you don’t know it that’s a definite sign of a cult. Which you are. So please humble yourself and learn God’s Word with a open mind. Gene Jesus Christ is a whole lot more then just a man, and He’s far from what you are believe you me.
God bless
Carmel……here’s another scripture, you can twist up to say what in fact it dosen’t say. ” unto us (true believers) “there is “ONE” GOD, AND “ONE” MEDERATOR between “GOD” and men, the “MAN” JESUS . This is another that goes right along with it, “that they might know you , the “only” true GOD., “AND” Jesus who you have sent.
Now before you run all over the place please tell us if you believe that or not? , no need to Go any further through a maze of twist and turns to deny thesee words. I have many others, but tell us truthfully do you “honestly”believe what it says. Yes or no.
Gene,
Respect what I posted!
Here it is again:
Gene,
Your words are proof that you are in the middle of nowhere.
Unless you contradict me using scriptures:
MINE STANDS
Go ahead Gene show me that GOD IS WITH YOU, and gives you light.Not just say useless comments without any reference to a particular verse in my post supported by scripture!
Go ahead mention any verse, and contradict me otherwise it’s absolutely,
USELESS!
It’s a confirmation that you are aBLA, BLA, BLA, PERSON!
I am waitingBrilliant Mr. Gene
OK, Gene?Select any verse from my POST,
PLUS. that you have to support your views using scriptures!
Your mentality is not sufficient since you are
ONE-SIDED CARNALLY! A mortal corrupted substance like all humans are. And scripture is clear
THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, the fact that is becomes
DUST.
BY THE WAY THE ABOVE
rumble-bumble you posted is not accepted!
Just post the appropriate scriptures please if you want a
SPIRITUAL MESSAGE!
So as an answer to your post
NO!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
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