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Hi All,
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:…
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Me: Again, The Word of God and God are one person (John 1:1). God together with his Word raised up the humanity of Christ from the dead.
Hi Anthony and ALL,
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah tells us directly that the ONE to be given for a covenant (forgiveness to all people’s sins through the death of a perfected man), had NOTHING to do with creating heaven and earth, that he is in FACT of creation, he is of the people that God gave breath to and a human spirit to walk therein.
We are told directly that it is because our Creator called him into righteousness that he was able to be given for a covenant, through such he is a LIGHT for the people pulling them out of darkness. He is a LIGHT because our Creator called him to righteousness giving him of His Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might.
He is NOT a light because he pre-existed, he is a LIGHT because God called him to righteousness and would hold his hand and keep him, having his final mortal deed be displaying his faithful obedience through suffering on the cross. Such was the word God spoke about that Jesus fulfilled. The word of God became light and that light dwelt among the people and the people beheld his glory, the glory that God had said he would not give to another of the people who God had created giving the breath of life to and a spirit to walk therein.
He overcame his carnal mind and the bondage it has over a man to serve the flesh as it fears death. Our Creator gave this one from among the people from of the blood of the tribe of Judah to be seen as a great father, a father head over father Abraham, being of the seed of Abraham but being anointed by God’s Spirit superseding Abraham rising from the dead as firstborn of the dead. Our Creator does not give His glory, the glory of the fullness of His Spirit keeping him from sin, to any other from among the people. God gives the Son of Man the power to forgive sins and HEAL, people beheld the glory of Jesus because the Father was in him, and Jesus did not judge according to his carnal mind, he judged through a spiritual mind, as he learned all from the Father and he used God’s powers to heal those he righteously judged.
Yes our Creator and the truth of His plan for His creation, we are given further light of in the NT. We are told in the OT that our Creator did in fact establish the end result of His plan before He even started His plan.
The end result is the man who was perfected having been called to righteousness and then was made the firstborn of the dead given eternal life. All things that our Creator made, He made them through (because of) and for this firstborn of the dead, who then our Creator gave all the works of His hands over to, to have dominion overall, in order to complete our Creator’s will, which is to bring all of creation into the knowledge and way of our Creator.
The one given all rule and authority of the works of our Creators hands, is the SON of MAN, who was raised from the dead to sit on his father king David’s throne ACCORDING to the flesh, and he is said directly to sit at God’s right as a Son of Man. Our Creator has placed all of His creation into his hands because he had been perfected, and having been a mortal of weak flesh he can be a righteous judge over us as he is fully aware of how the carnal mind tempts man to serve his flesh in order to live. All things consist in the one who through God brought us eternal life, without him our Creator would not have created heaven and earth. We have eternal life NOT because he pre-existed, but because he was one of the people who God had created and gave breath to and a spirit to walk therin, and He CALLED him into righteousness through resting His Spirit upon him.
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us….23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body
The adoption is the receiving of the redemption of our body, which Jesus received first as being firstborn of the dead, our bodies going from weakness to power, mortal to incorruptible, dishonor to glory by being given eternal life.
Paul also tells us in 1 Corinthians 15, that we are raised from the dead as Jesus was raised from the dead. The GLORY of JESUS as a Son of God, is MY SAME GLORY. We are heirs of God to His eternal life, and joint heirs with Jesus who already has his.
Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great, …..
Jodi by the look of it, there’s a misunderstanding! Here it is again,
You said: Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great,
First and foremost Jesus was GREAT eternally
IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER
He lowered Himself through the process of creation, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
Read and reflect: Rev.21:22 And I saw no temple therein. For the
LORD GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE TEMPLE THEREOF, AND THE LAMB.
Got it Jodi?
God ALMIGHTY IS BOTH THE TEMPLE AND THE LAMB.
TWO THINGS WHICH JESUS GAVE TO THE FATHER, THROUGH HIS BLOOD AND IS GREAT!
THE FACT THAT’S ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM.
Now read and discern:
John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are MINE……..
Jodi isn’t it clear that the Father also received ALL THINGS from Jesus.
And likewise, by which things God the Father presumably was GREAT?
Now Can you mention something by which God the Father was great through Jesus’ THINGS?
Now read
John 17:10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; ……..
What are the things which Jesus gave to His Father, BY WHICH THINGS THE FATHER WAS GREAT?
You: Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great, not because he had a former self in him since he was born.
You again are more interested in the human aspect of Jesus, as son of David, through BLOOD generations, NOT SPERMA, mentioned in Matthew hereunder, which is
THE GENERATIONS OF EARTH THROUGH CAIN. the fact that it starts from ABRAHAM.
not because he had a former self in him since he was born.
Jodi Jesus was in all things like his brethren.
You and all humanity when they are BORN
HAD/HAVE A FORMER SELF IN THEMSELVES since they have A SOUL, YOUR SOUL IS YOU. LIKEWISE, JESUS HAD A FORMER SELF IN HIM WHEN HE WAS BORN.WITH THE DIFFERENCE THAT
HE WAS THE BEGINNING OF EVERY CREATURE,
HE IS YOUR BEGINNING IN YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB, PRECISELY IN YOUR SOUL! THE LIFE SOURCE! AS A SPIRIT. “THE WORD”
Also be aware that Jesus as SON OF GOD, was FULLY MADE IN MARY’S WOMB, IMMEDIATELY ON MARY’S WORDS.
be it done to me according to thy word. The fact that she was in the position to go on her own to Elizabeth. Well clear by Gabriel when he said:
And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and
THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE.
And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Hereunder is the generation of THE SON OF MAN. Which in our mentality HE took THE NORMAL nine months TO BE BORN.
Which in fact believe it or not HE DIDN’T! Though He was born after nine months from Gabriel’s Annunciation. In Mary’s womb, He was in the same state as he was in heaven. SPIRIT. He was born first in FULL LIGHT. In the same way as He did on Mount Tabor.
BUT JESUS IS A PERFECT PARADOX! He was created as SON OF MAN OF DAVID LINEAGE, but AS SON OF GOD HE WAS ETERNAL WITH GOD. Through and in the same instant of His death, HE WAS GLORIFIED! IN THE TIME His heart was split, IT WAS ALSO WHOLE IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE, PURIFIED AND PURCHASED BY HIS OWN BLOOD, AT LEAST UNTIL PENTECOST.
Matthew 1The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham:
( THE SON OF MAN, “THE WORD” JESUS’FLESH BODY THROUGH EVE, FROM CAIN, GLORIFIED AS CHRIST ON THE CROSS, ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST. the fact that He FURNISHES THE HOLY GHOST)
2Abraham begot Isaac. And Isaac begot Jacob. And Jacob begot Judas and his brethren. 3And Judas begot Phares and Zara of Thamar. And Phares begot Esron. And Esron begot Aram. 4And Aram begot Aminadab. And Aminadab begot Naasson. And Naasson begot Salmon. 5And Salmon begot Booz of Rahab. And Booz begot Obed of Ruth. And Obed begot Jesse. 6And Jesse begot David the king. And David the king begot Solomon, of her that had been the wife of Urias. 7And Solomon begot Roboam. And Roboam begot Abia. And Abia begot Asa. 8And Asa begot Josaphat. And Josaphat begot Joram. And Joram begot Ozias. 9And Ozias begot Joatham. And Joatham begot Achaz. And Achaz begot Ezechias. 10And Ezechias begot Manasses. And Manesses begot Amon. And Amon begot Josias. 11And Josias begot Jechonias and his brethren in the transmigration of Babylon.
12And after the transmigration of Babylon, Jechonias begot Salathiel. And Salathiel begot Zorobabel. 13And Zorobabel begot Abiud. And Abiud begot Eliacim. And Eliacim begot Azor. 14And Azor begot Sadoc. And Sadoc begot Achim. And Achim begot Eliud. 15And Eliud begot Eleazar. And Eleazar begot Mathan. And Mathan begot Jacob. 16And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
(ETERNALLY ANOINTED) OFFICIALLY DECLARED ON EARTH IN ISRAEL ON HIS BAPTISM BY JOHN
John1:31 And I knew him not,
( John as well as Eliah, is Michael the archangel, the angel of God, Luke 7:27, and as an angel, he could never know Jesus as He was in the process of creation, as “THE WORD” spirit, precisely in John’s HEART, his life source)
but that he may be made MANIFEST ( NOT ANOINTED, Jesus, as A HUMAN BEING had to be revealed ) in Israel,( Lucifer’s embodiment, the lost sheep) therefore am I come baptizing with water. (Jesus, the Son of Man was revealed for the first time ON HIS DEATH BY WHICH DEATH HE WAS GLORIFIED AND RULED EARTH AS THE SOVEREIGN SPIRIT IN ALL SOULS, THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE)
You COMPLETELY ignor the fact that Jesus was also the Son of God, through THE HOLY GHOST. declared by Gabriel,and the DIVINE SEED THROUGH ADAM,
NOT THROUGH EVE.
THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN mentioned in Luke. hereunder, the fact that it starts from GOD.not from Abraham.
Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of thirty years; being (as it was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat, 24Who was of Levi, who was of Melchi, who was of Janne, who was of Joseph, 25Who was of Mathathias, who was of Amos, who was of Nahum, who was of Hesli, who was of Nagge, 26Who was of Mahath, who was of Mathathias, who was of Semei, who was of Joseph, who was of Juda, 27Who was of Joanna, who was of Reza, who was of Zorobabel, who was of Salathiel, who was of Neri, 28Who was of Melchi, who was of Addi, who was of Cosan, who was of Helmadan, who was of Her,29Who was of Jesus, who was of Eliezer, who was of Jorim, who was of Mathat, who was of Levi, 30Who was of Simeon, who was of Judas, who was of Joseph, who was of Jona, who was of Eliakim, 31Who was of Melea, who was of Menna, who was of Mathatha, who was of Nathan, who was of David, 32Who was of Jesse, who was of Obed, who was of Booz, who was of Salmon, who was of Naasson, 33Who was of Aminadab, who was of Aram, who was of Esron, who was of Phares, who was of Judas, 34Who was of Jacob, who was of Isaac, who was of Abraham, who was of Thare, who was of Nachor, 35Who was of Sarug, who was of Ragau, who was of Phaleg, who was of Heber, who was of Sale, 36Who was of Cainan, who was of Arphaxad, who was of Sem, who was of Noe, who was of Lamech, 37Who was of Mathusale, who was of Henoch, who was of Jared, who was of Malaleel, who was of Cainan, 38Who was of Henos, who was of Seth,
who was of Adam, WHO WAS OF GOD.
ARE YOU STILL
BLIND
THAT JESUS WAS NOT ONLY
SON OF MAN, FULLY MAN, BUT ALSO SON OF GOD.FULLY DIVINE. AND ALSO SOMETHING WHICH YOU ARE DENYING:
NOTHING OF SATANIC EARTH! The fact that HE PURCHASED the entire human/SOUL process of the world.
BY HIS PURE DIVINE BLOOD.despite a son of David.
John 8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath,
I AM FROM ABOVE.
You are of this world,
I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
TC…..Jesus the man said no man can come to the father except by me, “why”?, because , it was throught his offering up his ‘body” for our sins that enables us to come to the father, because his sacrifice brought about our forgiveness of sin.
Jesus was God the Fathers sacrifice for sin, he was not his own sacrifice for sin, but the Fathers scrifice.
TC…..HERE IS ANOTHER ONE you can see if you can screw up to mean something different then what it actually says.
John 17:3…..”and this is eternal life, that they might know “you” the “only” true God” , and Jesus (the anointed) , whom you have sent.
Lets do a simple English understanding here ok?
1… the word “you” tell us what does that word “always” mean? It alway mean someone different then the one speaking right?
2…the word “only” tell us what does that word “always” mean? It always means no more, no other.
3….the word “true” tell us what does that word, “always” mean? Actually, or real, and when used with the word “only” it is saying there IS “NO” other “REAL GOD” .
What part of that you are unable to accept.
Did the man Jesus have a God that was the SAME as our God, yes, how do I know that, because he said so, “I am going to “my” God, and “your” God, “my ” father and “your” father “. Seems Jesus knew he wasn’t our God , nor our heavenly father either.
So bottom line is you try desperately to make Jesus different the we are, but Jesus always presented himself exactly as we are. So who am I to believe, you or Jesus, I think I’ll stick with Jesus and what he said, I am not going to make him into a different person “seperate ” from his human brothers and sisters. I see Jesus as comming into his existence as a human being and when he returns, he will still be a true human being, a prophesied, son of man. Exactly as Moses and the other prophets said.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Jodi You said:firstborn of the dead given eternal life.
Me: the firstborn of creation and the first born of the dead, given eternal life
You said: We have eternal life NOT because he pre-existed, but because he was one of the people who God had created and gave breath to and a spirit to walk therin, and He CALLED him into righteousness through resting His Spirit upon him.
Me: I was given eternal life before the foundation of the world.
You said: because he was one of the people who God had created
Me: Jesus Christ wasn’t created.” Just one of the people” come on!!
God bless, you need to start looking at the scriptures different, something is just not right.
Did the man Jesus have a God that was the SAME as our God, yes, how do I know that, because he said so, “I am going to “my” God, and “your” God, “my ” father and “your” father “. Seems Jesus knew he wasn’t our God , nor our heavenly father either.
Gene,
read John20:17Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God.
Ascend to it doesn’t mean that Jesus referred that he was going to His God, and to His Father in heaven. Read again what it really means:
Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to (THE GLORY OF) my Father.
When Jesus resurrected He resurrected as an authentic human being ex-satanic, purchased, and purified by Jesus own DIVINE blood IN EXCHANGE OF OURS. Jesus resurrected from among all the dead since Adam. Jesus as an infinitesimal spirit was in all creatures’ hearts, slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world, Rev.13:8 as
THEIR ETERNAL LIFE SOURCE. as much as He is in you, and in all humans no matter who.
But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to ( THE GLORY OF) my Father ( AS MAN) and to your Father,( AS WOMAN! Before redemption the flesh element, in the woman was the property of Satan)
to my God ( AS SPIRIT) and your God. ( AS FLESH)
So, Gene, I’m afraid it’s not as you corruptly concluded that:
Seems Jesus knew he wasn’t our God , nor our heavenly father either.
Instead, HE WAS MORE THAN SURE THAT HE WAS VERY NEAR, TO BE GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, BOTH AS FATHER AND AS GOD OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.
IN FACT, HE DID GLORIFY THAT SAME EVENING, THE FACT THAT HE ENTERED THROUGH WALLS AND MET HIS DISCIPLES, SOMETHING WHICH HE NEVER DID, SINCE THE ANGELS REMOVED THE STONE FOR HIM TO COME OUT, AND ALSO THE CLOTHS IN WHICH HE WAS BURIED, THEY WERE DISTURBED, WHILE IF HE WAS A SPIRIT WITH THE FULL POWER OF GOD HE WOULD HAVE CAME OUT THROUGH THE STONE OF THE GRAVE AND WITHOUT THE LEAST DISTURBANCE OF THE CLOTHS.
Then cometh Simon Peter, following him, and went into the sepulchre, and saw the linen cloths lying, 7And the napkin that had been about his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but apart, wrapped up into one place.
Jesus Himself wrapped up the napkin and put it in another place, as a sign that He was raised as a HUMAN being.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Gene:
You: TC…..Jesus the man said no man can come to the father except by me, “why”?, because , it was throught his offering up his ‘body” for our sins that enables us to come to the father, because his sacrifice brought about our forgiveness of sin.
Me: So Gene, tell me how the prophets came to God? Let God show you through his word.
John 17:3…..”and this is eternal life, that they might know “you” the “only” true God” , and Jesus (the savior) , whom you have sent.
Me: Does this mean that the Word in Christ is not God? John 1:1 says differently. So does the below verse Show that the Messiah is God?
Was the Word fully bonded with the human element of the seed of David at birth when our heavenly sent him? The answer is no. But was the seed of David fully integrated with the Word of God after his resurrection from the dead? Let the scriptures answer this.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and TRUE, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in BLOOD (signifies the seed of David): and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD.
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1 John 5:20 And we know that The Son of God has come and he has given us a mind to know The True One and to be in The True One- in his Son, Yeshua The Messiah. This One is The True God and The Life Eternal.Me: The Word of God is with God and is God (John 1:1). The Word of God is the aspect of God that is the expression of God. The Word of God with the temple of God is the son of God.
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
John 5:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Me: No one comes to God but through the Word of God. So how did God come to the prophets? He came to the prophets through the Word of God. Add the human element to the formula and you have the Son of God coming to us from the time of Pentecost. This is when the sacrifice of Christ made this possible.
Me: There is no “THE Son of God” in the OT in regards to Christ except in Dan 3:25. See for yourself in the below link.. Here the Word is “like” the son of God. This is how the Son of God would look like when he came to earth later.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Me: The body was prepared for the Word of God (John 1:1) that PRE-EXISTED.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=son+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Gene:
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Me: Was Christ ever a liar? If not then he is the Word of God who took on flesh of the seed or mind of David and is God. He is THE SON OF GOD of man.
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him (THE FATHER) that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the LAMB for ever and ever.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Roman 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me (CHRIST, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Me: There is one God composed of two aspects.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Me: Yeshua is THE SON OF GOD and is of God. There is only one person in the above verses composed of God and his Son.
Gene: You did not address the scriptures I had quoted. Who did the people of Israel tempt or test in Exodus 17:2 and Duet 6:16? You have NOT answered that.
Matt 4:7 Jesus said to him (the devil), “On the other hand, it is written, ‘YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.‘”Neither have you addressed Rev 19:11-13 in light of John 1:1.
This is after repeated attempts to have you do so.
Hi TC
Great post
You said:Gene: You did not address the scriptures I had quoted. Who did the people of Israel tempt or test in Exodus 17:2 and Duet 6:16?
Me: Do you think Gene going to answer you, don’t hold your breath.
God bless 🙏
Hi Anthony,
Thank you for the kind words. Do I think Gene will answer the above question? With enough time to think of something in the lines of being a man, maybe.
TC…..IT WAS GOD, the childern of Isreal Tempted in the wilderness. Jesus “a man” told Satan that it is “written” you shall not tempt the LORD YOUR GOD”. Jesus did not tempt “His” God, in the wilderness, he was in as they did.
It is apsolutely amazing how you people, change context, switch words, corrupt plainly written scriptures, and make scriptures say things it in no way it even hints at.
I gave you a very clear meanings of the words Jesus used, in scripture, Where he “clearly”said “his” GOD WAS THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD. You twist it up and make it out to say he was the ONLY TRUE GOD , himself and was talking about himself. You people switch word meanings, contexts, and try desperately to make it say something else, as you do most all the “Clearly” written scriptures, that show Jesus is not GOD. You people intruduce thing in scriptures not even written there, to change meanings, and your not even ashamed to.
But what more interesting is you people arn’t even able to see or understand you do that. ANYONE with EVEN A SPECK OF truth in them can EASELY see that.
Bottom line you people deny he is a flesh and bone human being, who “had to be” anointed in order “to be able” to fulfill the will of God. You do not except that fact, why?, because you believe he was already God, so he didn’t have to be “anointed” to do the will of God, being he was already God right? Please answer this question if you can. Did Jesus “HAVE TO BE”, ANOINTED, IN ORDER TO DO THE WILL OF GOD. SIMPLE QUESTION shouldn’t take a long post to answer it, please try to stay on subject and not jump all over the place and confuse the question or obscure it’s simplicity.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Gene:
You: TC…..IT WAS GOD, the childern of Isreal Tempted in the wilderness. Jesus “A MAN” told Satan that it is “written” you shall not tempt the LORD YOUR GOD”. Jesus did not tempt “His” God, in the wilderness, he was in as they did.
Me: See Anthony, I called this one right about Gene bringing up “a MAN”. He has this fetish stuck in his mind like rebar in reinforced concert. Prior to this mumble jumble Gene had said that God could not be tempted. Now you are saying that God was tempted in the wilderness—he contradicts himself. Yes, God was tempted or tested and so was Yeshua. So tempting Yeshua does not make him a mere man. Neither God nor his son needs to be tested to prove that they are one of the Godhead. .God cannot sin and thus cannot be tempted.
Gene:
You: It is apsolutely amazing how you people, change context, switch words, corrupt plainly written scriptures, and make scriptures say things it in no way it even hints at.
Me: I just gave you an example how YOU HAVE CORRUPTED God’s word from the get-go.
You: I gave you a very clear meanings of the words Jesus used, in scripture, Where he “clearly”said “his” GOD WAS THE “ONLY” TRUE GOD. You twist it up and make it out to say he was the ONLY TRUE GOD , himself and was talking about himself.
Me: I did no such thing. I said that the “flesh” ( seed of David of his spirit or mind) became fully bonded with the Word of God after Christ resurrection from the dead and that the Word together with the seed of David is the Word in Rev 19:13. This is the same Word in John 1:1. The Word together with the Father is God.
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“Does this mean that the Word in Christ is not God? John 1:1 says differently. So does the below verse Show that the Messiah is God?Was the Word fully bonded with the human element of the seed of David at birth when our heavenly sent him? The answer is no. But was the seed of David fully integrated with the Word of God after his resurrection from the dead? Let the scriptures answer this.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and TRUE, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in BLOOD (signifies the seed of David): and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD.
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1 John 5:20 And we know that The Son of God has come and he has given us a mind to know The True One and to be in The True One- in his Son, Yeshua The Messiah. This One is The True God and The Life Eternal.”Me: So explain to me what these scriptures I just quoted means to you in relationship to John 17:3 does not make the Messiah God.
Gene:
I will give you two grammatically parallel scriptures relating to John 17:3.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God…2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Me: Does this mean that the Word was not God?
Answer: John 1:1 …and the Word was God.
Similarly:
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Me: Does this mean that the Messiah is not God?
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Me: This shows that the Messiah is in God and God in the Messiah as one God or person (John 14:10-11)
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Aramaic Bible in Plain English
1 John 5:20 And we know that The Son of God has come and he has given us a mind to know The True One and to be in The True One- in his Son, Yeshua The Messiah. This One is The True God and The Life EternalYou have not even address these scriptures and how they all fit together into one cohesive whole.
Gene:
You: You people switch word meanings, contexts, and try desperately to make it say something else, as you do most all the “Clearly” written scriptures, that show Jesus is not GOD. You people intruduce thing in scriptures not even written there, to change meanings, and your not even ashamed to.
Me: Show me where.
You: Bottom line you people deny he is a flesh and bone human being, who “had to be” anointed in order “to be able” to fulfill the will of God. You do not except that fact, why?, because you believe he was already God, so he didn’t have to be “anointed” to do the will of God, being he was already God right? Please answer this question if you can. Did Jesus “HAVE TO BE”, ANOINTED, IN ORDER TO DO THE WILL OF GOD. SIMPLE QUESTION shouldn’t take a long post to answer it, please try to stay on subject and not jump all over the place and confuse the question or obscure it’s simplicity.
Me: The Word of God in Christ did not need to be anointed to be God. God does not change. The humanity of Christ was anointed with power at Jordon to do the great commission ahead of him. This DOES NOT MEAN that he was not born with the holy spirit in him.
New American Standard Bible
Heb 1:6 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 7 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”Me: Christ was anointed King from the resurrection of the dead and ascension into heaven. Does this mean he first received the holy spirit after his ascension into heaven–NO? Did Christ first receive the holy spirit when he was anointed at Jordan with power–again NO.
Young’s Literal Translation
Luke 1:35 And the messenger answering said to her, ‘The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing shall be called Son of God;https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=son+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Me: To be holy, you need the holy spirit, don’t you? For a human to be called the Son of God, you need the holy spirit, don’t you? Click on the above link. No human was called the son of God until the NT. One like the son of God in Dan 3:25 is not being the son of God yet. CHRIST WAS BEGOTTEN WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT in the womb of Mary.
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (salvation): for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US. 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS (salvation).
Names are very important in the bible. No one receives a name from God without a significant purpose or meaning. The Messiah was named Yeshua because he would bring salvation to us. The Messiah was named Emmanuel because God or the Word fully in him from his birth
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New American Standard Bible
2 Cor 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.New American Standard Bible
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,Hi TC
Wow do you see how He don’t really answer your question first but changes thing around and asked you a question. Pretty slick ya. That’s because he can’t give you one. Using Tricky on ya. Wow
God bless 🙏 keep the good work up!
TC…..THE HOLY SPIRIT and power, that Jesus recieved, he recieved at the Jordan river, exactly as scripture clearly says . You have no scripture that say other wise.
You make the man Jesus into the word of God, that also is a lie, Jesus never said he was the word of God anywhere in scripture. But he did say this, ” the words I am telling you are “NOT” my words, but the words of him who sent me.”
That alone should tell you Jesus “himself” is not the word, but if you can’t believe what Jesus himself clearly said, in simple and clear terms, then how can we expect any truth from you.
The Jesus you preach is not a son of man, and a son of God “exactly” as we are. , you preach a different Jesus a non flesh human Jesus, you deny that he “HAD” to be anointed after he became an adult in order to become filled with the HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER, in order to fulfill the will of God and become the Messiah of God.
Your own words deny his “NEEDED” TO BE ANOINTED with HOLY SPIRIT in order to become the Messiah of God, you even doubt his “only’ existence as a human being who came into his existence “exactly” as we do , and therefore “had” to be anointed to do God’s will and become a son of God, exactly as we all do.
You are a preacher of him that “seperates” Jesus from his brothers and sisters, as all “ANTICHRIST’S ” do, even more you make Jesus into a God , and are therefore are commiting IDOLATRY.
You are in the wide way of all christendom , that is leading into destruction. I advise you to look for the narrow and straight way the leads to life, time is short.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
TC…..by the way , I was taking about the “man” Jesus, when I said he was tempted in every way as we are, it was you who brought up GOD “NOT” ME. And GOD CAN NOT BE TEMPTED TO SIN, FOR God does not sin,but Jesus sure could be tempted by sin,as it says he was tempted in all mannor as we are and yet without sin.
Your so screw up thinking JESUS IS God, you arn’t even able to distinguish the difference. JESUS SAID HE WAS A SON OF MAN ABOUT 80 OR SO TIMES, GOD ON THE OTHER HAND SAID HE WAS “NOT” A MAN, NOR A SON OF MAN, so bate and switch that around if you can. I AM SURE YOU BOYS CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING to also obscure those words to, as you do the rest of our clearly written scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours . ……..gene
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