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Carmel…..JODI is right on brother. The truth is being clearly presented to you. I know it is hard to deny the years of false teachings all christanity has been subject to, but my hope that you will seriously consider what JODI has written here.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Why don’t you start with addressing ALL the passages I gave that speak of Jesus being a son of David according to his flesh, according to the fruit of David’s loins,?
Jodi,
Why don’t you start with addressing ALL the passages I gave that speak of Jesus PRE-EXISTENCE, and being THE Son of GOD according to HIS SPIRIT, according to the fruit of THE HOLY GHOST’S loins,?
At this moment in time, I asked a very simple question. Thus read again and answer in a simple way!
Luke 2:49And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father’s business?
Jodi the above is a statement by Jesus at the age of TWELVE.
Did Jesus refer to his father David’s business or to
HIS FATHER GOD’S BUSINESS?
One more DIFFICULT question, IN RELATION TO YOUR PERSISTENCE, REGARDING JESUS’ FATHER DAVID.
What kind of business father David gave Jesus to accomplish?
NOW, to the EASIEST QUESTION IN THE WHOLE BIBLE: KIDS STUFF!
What kind of business GOD THE FATHER OF JESUS, gave Jesus to accomplish?
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth; I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
JUST TO REMIND YOU AGAIN:
According to your CORRUPTED UNDERSTANDING,
AT THE AGE OF TWELVE, JESUS WAS NOT YET SENT OUT INTO THE WORLD, since He was not yet baptized!
40 And the child grew and became strong;
HE WAS FILLED WITH WISDOM, AND THE GRACE OF GOD WAS ON HIM.
ARE THE ABOVE CREDENTIALS CAME FROM FATHER DAVID? OR FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT?
You: He was learning and being filled with wisdom, but he certainly lacked in understanding towards parental concerns.
NO NO AND NO JODI, Jesus never lacked understanding towards parental concerns. HE DID IT DELIBERATELY, WITH RESPECT TO HIS ANSWER in relation to scriptures hereunder:
40 And the child grew and became strong;
HE WAS FILLED WITH WISDOM, AND THE GRACE OF GOD WAS ON HIM.
Jesus was not an ordinary CHILD.
Jodi, the above is clear:
HE WAS FILLED WITH WISDOM, GOD’S WISDOM, NOT DAVID’S,
AND THE GRACE OF GOD WAS ON HIM. NOT THE GRACE OF DAVID.
You:……he certainly lacked in understanding towards parental concerns.
Luke 2:49And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know,
THAT I MUST BE ABOUT MY FATHER’S BUSINESS?
The above is NOT A PARENTAL CONCERN?
The fact that Jesus at the age of twelve GAVE AN ANSWER IN RELATION TO HIS MISSION OF REDEMPTION, is not proof that Jesus was ALREADY ANOINTED?
I quote these passages because the will of the 12 year old Jesus was the will of his OWN, the words he spoke to his parents when they had been worried about him, were HIS OWN words. Jesus in fact had EXPERIENCED following his own will, it was not until Jesus had the Spirit descend like a dove upon him that Jesus was SENT out to fulfill God’s will and deny his own HUMAN will that he had been BORN WITH
Jodi, the scriptures hereunder will answer and CLARIFY your CONFUSION!
40 And the child grew and became strong;
HE WAS FILLED WITH WISDOM, AND THE GRACE OF GOD WAS ON HIM.
Luke 2:49And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know,
THAT I MUST BE ABOUT MY FATHER’S BUSINESS?
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
Hi Carmel,
I perceived your question as rhetorical and then just stupid because the point you were trying to make doesn’t mean we discard the scriptures that I gave, which was all about how we are DIRECTLY TOLD in God’s word that Jesus is in FACT of the SPERMA, the very loins of David.
The fact that Jesus as a 12 year old boy speaks of God as his Father does not change the fact that Jesus is of the FLESH FROM the OFFSPRING of David.
From the beginning of his birth he was declared the son of David.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Why is God giving the throne of David to David’s son? Well we know that God PROMISED David that He was GOING to MAKE David’s son INTO His OWN Son, that God promised David that his son would be God’s firstborn Son, and David believed that just as his son would be raised from the dead he too would be raised from the dead.
Jesus is referenced 16 times as “the son of David”, this isn’t counting the scriptures that say he is of the seed, or the offspring of David.
Jesus ALSO referred to his Father as OUR Father.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Hi Gene,
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
Does Luke 2:11 say: Christ the Lord is born this day in the city of David?
“Yes” or “No”Edj….yes, that scripture does say that.
Thank you Gene!
See that wan’t that hard – no pain at all to accept truth
_______________
Your brother
in Christ
Ed JHi Gene and Carmel
Gene said: Carmel…..JODI is right on brother. The truth is being clearly presented to you. I know it is hard to deny the years of false teachings all christanity has been subject to, but my hope that you will seriously consider what JODI has written here.
I think you ought to believe scripture Carmel.
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
Matthew 1:18
This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph,
1 John 4:15
We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
John 1:1 4
he Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. Do not believe what any human being tells you what any section of the Bible means, ask Christ Jesus for His help.
Remember, Satan and his ministers can and do appear as ‘angels of light’. Ministers of Churchianity do not have horns, they appear like ‘good’, sincere people. Indeed, they say that ‘Jesus is the Christ’, and claim to be doing God’s work, but they are deceiving billions of people around the globe with a ‘false’ Gospel, exactly as Christ Jesus warned in Matthew 24.
Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
We most certainly do need the help of the Holy Spirit to open our minds. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
We need special information to enable us ‘rightly to divide’ God’s Word.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Only the wise will understand. And who are the wise? Those who have knowledge are those who deeply respect, love and ‘fear’ God.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue (language) will he (God) speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.God bless, keep the good work up Carmel!
Good Morning Ed J and All,
BEFORE Jesus was born,
YES, Isaiah did give prophecy saying,
1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted*, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
YES, Jesus did quote Isaiah soon after the Spirit descended upon him like a dove, where God then said “THIS is my beloved Son”, and then Jesus is said to be full of the Spirit with power.
YES Jesus spoke of HIS ANOINTING directly quoting Isaiah prophecy and that the purpose of his anointing was to be a savior.
Luke 4:7 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
YES, first Jesus was born, and he was born as the one specifically to fulfill Isaiah, where through an anointing he would be MADE into a savior. Just as Jesus says, the Spirit is upon him BECAUSE he has been ANOINTED so that he can BE SENT OUT TO HEAL, PREACH DELIVERANCE and the acceptable year of the LORD, to SET LIBERTY.
YES I BELIEVE Jesus’s CLEAR WORD concerning his anointing that had been promised BEFORE he was even BORN.
YES I BELIEVE the angel’s words when he spoke of good news to the people, confirming that the infant was the one of the seed of Abraham who all nations WOULD BE blessed through according to a covenant God made, and confirming the infant was of the SAME covenant spoken by Isaiah where a servant, one chosen out of the people would have God’s Spirit be placed in him (an anointing of the Spirit made CHRISTOS) so God could give him for a covenant of the people and for a light to the Gentiles, BE a SAVIOR.
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, WHICH SHALL BE to all people, for unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Anyone who wants to say that the angel speaking of the infant in verses 10 and 11 of Luke has NOTHING to do with, or is not according to God’s promised covenant given to Abraham and spoken by Isaiah, is extraordinarily BLIND.
The angel said PRIOR, concerning the infant, which many seem to also want to be fully blind and deaf to,
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
WHY shall he be great? What occurs just prior to all the fame Jesus receives from the people?
The Spirit descends upon him like a dove, and he is said to be full of the Spirit with power of the Spirit, and Jesus says he has been anointed so that he CAN deliver the captives, heal, preach God’s Gospel, which was the covenant God had made concerning people being cleansed from their sins by his death.
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
Hi Gene,
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.
Does Luke 2:11 say: Christ the Lord is born this day in the city of David?
“Yes” or “No”Edj….yes, that scripture does say that.
Thank you Gene!
See that wan’t that hard – no pain at all to accept truth
Hi Jodi,
Was your last post your attempt to answer “Yes” to my question as well?
“Yes” or “No”____________
God bless
Ed JHi Anthony,
Good post. I just want to elaborate a bit on it.
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the (flesh: spiritual essence of the a human); 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
1 Cor 15:47 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Me: A seed is not a body. It is a life force of the mind or spirit. This one seed of many was passed on from Abraham to David to Christ.
1 Cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Me: The second man was made directly from God.
Christ was called the son of God before his resurrection from the dead. In fact, he is God’s only begotten son. He was called God’s son of Man. The only man before Christ that who was called the son of God was the first Adam. The first Adam was called the son of God because he was the first man created. The second Adam was called the son of God because he is a new kind of man, new creation. This seed had a new kind of body without inherit sin or death in it.
1 Cor 15:47 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Me: Christ human body was transformed into a spirit one of the holy spirit (Romans 1:3).
Jodi……Even if our lord Jesus were here himself and told them what you or I have posted, they simply would not recieve it, they are completely unable at this time to, it’s a complete waste of time, those who are the sheep of his pasture, know the voice of the Sheppard. It’s like Jesus said, ” wide is the way that leads to destruction, and “many” there be that go in threat thereof. But “narrow” is the gate and “straight ” is the way, that leads to life, and “few” there be that find it.
Most here are in the broad way that leading to destruction . Our efforts are like, casting pearls before swines, they trample the pearls under their feet and then turn and try to render to pecies those who speak the truth. They simply have no eyes to see, nor any value for the truth, no matter how plain it is presented to them. IMO
Thank God for the “few”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Good Morning Gene,
Yes, I couldn’t help but be thinking the same thing throughout this weak, hearing people in full denial of many scriptures that directly tell us that Jesus is of the fruit of David’s loins, of his flesh. If people cannot believe such plain clear word and use that knowledge for all scriptures, that Jesus is indeed a human of the offspring of David and Abraham, they are going to read countless scriptures wrong because of that error. Likewise if they cannot except the clear written word that Jesus is human of the flesh of David, they most likely are not accepting the clear written word in many other passages.
Their refusal to apply verse 10 of Luke 2 to verse 11 just creates deception to what the angel is directly telling us. They don’t even want to apply what the angel said in Luke 1. They don’t apply the reason for the virgin birth Isaiah gave, instead they invent their own reasons. Some say the infant was a god baby or an alien baby with a former one of a kind being inside a human of some one of a kind blood. They deny the fact that he was exactly what scripture says, a human of the blood of the tribe of Judah. They won’t apply that we are directly told that the child grew having God’s GRACE UPON him, he needed that grace to be able to choose the good from the evil. Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great, not because he had a former self in him since he was born. We were not saved by the infant’s birth, the infant was not a master over anyone, he was not anointed going about speaking God’s word and performing signs and miracles. It’s just absurd, he was a HUMAN infant who grew up with God’s grace upon him, then he was anointed with God’s Spirit having the fullness and power of God’s Spirit upon him.
Jodi….AMEN , Sis. If the direction starts of wrong it ends up wrong.
It only proves the point, “unless the LORD builds the house, the weary builders build in vain.”
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene and Jodi
Gene said: It only proves the point, “unless the LORD builds the house, the weary builders build in vain.”
Me: Do you honestly think that God is ok with your building, that the “Only Begotten Son’ is just a man. I don’t hardly think so. Why is it that your the only ones that belives that here, and why haven’t you been able to change anyone to your belief that Jesus Christ is just a man like us . How long have you been here and was there anyone the changed to your belief beside Nick. Are you to still listen to pastors and man.
God bless 🙏
Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great, not because he had a former self in him since he was born.
Jodi, you said: Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great,
Now read hereunder explain and ANSWER:
John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are MINE. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of MINE, and shew it to you.
How on earth God the Father received ALL THINGS FROM JESUS, who according to your CORRUPTED wisdom. was an ORDINARY MAN?
Then you said: not because he had a former self in him since HE WAS BORN.
Read, explain and ANSWER:
John1:18 No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son
WHO IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, he hath declared him.
Jesus while on earth was also IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, IS HE AN ORDINARY MAN?
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his son made of a woman, made under the law:
God sent His Son,
MADE OF A WOMAN, WHY IT IS VITAL TO DECLARE THAT JESUS WAS MADE OF A WOMAN? ORDINARY MAN ARE ALL MADE OF A WOMAN. NO?
MADE UNDER THE LAW: WHY IT IS VITAL TO DECLARE THAT JESUS A JEW, WAS MADE UNDER THE LAW? ORDINARY JEWS ARE ALL MADE UNDER THE LAW. NO?
Jodi and Gene, Jesus was NOT AN ORDINARY MAN!
An ordinary man could never classify as the Messiah, Satan himself would have paid part of the ransom. Which was not acceptable, since
GOD THE FATHER PAID THE RANSOM, THROUGH “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, THE RANSOM! Well declared by Jesus in
John14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world cometh, and
IN ME HE HAS NOTHING!
Now with every respect to you and to all who are like you and Gene, If you are so convinced that you are not blind, read hereunder and be aware why “THE WORD”, Jesus, the Son of Man/Son of God,
was made flesh
was made of a woman, and made under the law? Thus:
Galatians 4:5 THAT HE MIGHT
REDEEM THEM WHO WERE UNDER THE LAW:
THAT WE MIGHT RECEIVE THE ADOPTION OF SONS.
6 And because you are sons, God hath sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father. 7Therefore now he is not a servant, but a son. And if a son, an heir also through God.
NOT THROUGH DAVID!
ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE FOR GOD! Jodi?
Jesus was born FULLY DIVINE and FULLY MAN, from the seed OF the Holy Ghost, NOT OF THE SPERM OF DAVID! BUT OF THE BLOOD OF DAVID THROUGH MARY HIS MOTHER.
Matthew 1:20 ……son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her,
is OF the Holy Ghost.
THE SEED OF THE HOLY GHOST. NOT BLOOD! THE BLOOD WAS OF DAVID.
Genesis 3: I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
Satan’s seed was human, and Eve seed was Divine, “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man. HIDDEN BOTH IN EVE AND IN SATAN, THEIR LIFE SOURCE, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORD REV.13:8
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham:
( THE SON OF MAN, “THE WORD” JESUS’FLESH BODY)
2Abraham begot Isaac. And Isaac begot Jacob. And Jacob begot Judas and his brethren. 3And Judas begot Phares and Zara of Thamar. And Phares begot Esron. And Esron begot Aram. 4And Aram begot Aminadab. And Aminadab begot Naasson. And Naasson begot Salmon. 5And Salmon begot Booz of Rahab. And Booz begot Obed of Ruth. And Obed begot Jesse. 6And Jesse begot David the king. And David the king begot Solomon, of her that had been the wife of Urias. 7And Solomon begot Roboam. And Roboam begot Abia. And Abia begot Asa. 8And Asa begot Josaphat. And Josaphat begot Joram. And Joram begot Ozias. 9And Ozias begot Joatham. And Joatham begot Achaz. And Achaz begot Ezechias. 10And Ezechias begot Manasses. And Manesses begot Amon. And Amon begot Josias. 11And Josias begot Jechonias and his brethren in the transmigration of Babylon.
12And after the transmigration of Babylon, Jechonias begot Salathiel. And Salathiel begot Zorobabel. 13And Zorobabel begot Abiud. And Abiud begot Eliacim. And Eliacim begot Azor. 14And Azor begot Sadoc. And Sadoc begot Achim. And Achim begot Eliud. 15And Eliud begot Eleazar. And Eleazar begot Mathan. And Mathan begot Jacob. 16And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. (ETERNALLY ANOINTED) OFFICIALLY ON EARTH IN ISRAEL ON HIS BAPTISM BY JOHN
While as the Son of God came through Adam, the seed of the Holy Ghost.
Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself was beginning about the age of thirty years; being (as it was supposed) the son of Joseph, who was of Heli, who was of Mathat, 24Who was of Levi, who was of Melchi, who was of Janne, who was of Joseph, 25Who was of Mathathias, who was of Amos, who was of Nahum, who was of Hesli, who was of Nagge, 26Who was of Mahath, who was of Mathathias, who was of Semei, who was of Joseph, who was of Juda, 27Who was of Joanna, who was of Reza, who was of Zorobabel, who was of Salathiel, who was of Neri, 28Who was of Melchi, who was of Addi, who was of Cosan, who was of Helmadan, who was of Her,29Who was of Jesus, who was of Eliezer, who was of Jorim, who was of Mathat, who was of Levi, 30Who was of Simeon, who was of Judas, who was of Joseph, who was of Jona, who was of Eliakim, 31Who was of Melea, who was of Menna, who was of Mathatha, who was of Nathan, who was of David, 32Who was of Jesse, who was of Obed, who was of Booz, who was of Salmon, who was of Naasson, 33Who was of Aminadab, who was of Aram, who was of Esron, who was of Phares, who was of Judas, 34Who was of Jacob, who was of Isaac, who was of Abraham, who was of Thare, who was of Nachor, 35Who was of Sarug, who was of Ragau, who was of Phaleg, who was of Heber, who was of Sale, 36Who was of Cainan, who was of Arphaxad, who was of Sem, who was of Noe, who was of Lamech, 37Who was of Mathusale, who was of Henoch, who was of Jared, who was of Malaleel, who was of Cainan, 38Who was of Henos, who was of Seth,
who was of Adam, who was of God.
Luke 1:35 And the angel answering, said to her:
THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON YOU.
Jodi, How many mothers WOMEN, in the lineage of David,
WERE PRIVILEGED AND RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST UPON THEM, SIMPLY TO GET PREGNANT? Also, keep in mind THAT HUMAN SPERM/DAVID’S SPERM IN JESUS’CASE, NEVER ENTERED MARY’S WOMB? ALL POSSIBLE FOR GOD!
AND THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH SHALL OVERSHADOW YOU.
How many mothers WOMEN, in the lineage of David, WERE PRIVILEGED, AND
WERE OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH. SIMPLY TO BE CONCEIVED.
And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
How many in the lineage of David, WERE HOLY, and called THE SON OF GOD despite born ONLY of a WOMAN?
The fact that Jesus as a 12 year old boy speaks of God as his Father does not change the fact that Jesus is of the FLESH FROM the OFFSPRING of David.
No Jodi Jesus was not ONLY a 12-year-old boy,
not even Mozart WAS A BOY at that age of 12 , but a GENIOUS!
JESUS SPOKE OF GOD AS HIS FATHER. BECAUSE HE WAS ANOINTED ETERNALLY,
FOR OUR SAKE He lowered himself through the process of creation, slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world.Rev 13:8.
Thank you Jodi at least you admitted that NOT ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SAID:
THAT JESUS WAS SENT INTO THE WORLD WHEN HE WAS ANOINTED ON HIS BAPTISM!
Jesus at the age of twelve WAS AWARE THAT HE WAS IN THE WORLD, HIS FATHER WAS GOD, HE WAS THE MESSIAH, AND HE WAS ALREADY ANOINTED THE CHRIST. The fact that he said to His mother:
Luke 2:49And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know,
that I must be about my father’s business?
At the age of TWELVE/thirteen, Jesus became SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF MOSES, and He knew that from THAT MOMENT ON, LISTEN TO THIS JODI:
HE WAS ABOUT TO COMMENCE THE BATTLE WITH SATAN, GOD’S BUSINESS, TO ANNIHILATE ALL THE SINS HE WAS LOADED WITH, THOUGH SINLESS, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATION, BY WHICH HE LOWERED HIMSELF. and was born in all things like HIs brethren!
From the beginning of his birth he was declared the son of David.
No Jodi, Gabriel to Mary declared that Jesus, not ONLY would be given the throne of his father David, but MOST VITAL, something that it’s not important to you, that
HE WAS TO BE CALLED THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH
And that’s were you are WRONG because you see Jesus from one CORRUPTED PERCEPTION, that
He was an ordinary man! DESPITE all the scriptures which clearly declare that Jesus was
BOTH FULLY MAN, AND FULLY DIVINE!
Reflect on the scripture you posted! hereunder and do not TWIST it.for the sake of truth.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
I repeat, and CONVINCED:
Jesus was FULLY MAN, “THE WORD” MADE FLESH THE SON OF MAN,
and FULLY GOD, the Holy Ghost THE SON OF GOD, BOTH DIVINE! NOTHING OF EARTH!
John 8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath,
I AM FROM ABOVE. You are of this world,
I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel,
YOU:John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath, are MINE. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of MINE, and shew it to you.
How on earth God the Father received ALL THINGS FROM JESUS, who according to your CORRUPTED wisdom. was an ORDINARY MAN?
ME: I SAID, “Jesus received all things from God and by that he was great”.
Our Father in heaven gives of His mercy to mankind, He gives of His Spirit to the carnal mind of man and causes man to walk in His ways. If God didn’t do that we would ALL just be ignorant beasts, totally deaf and blind to God like a serpent, just left to our own imaginations.
Jesus was NO ORDINARY MAN I have REPEATEDLY said he was by no means ordinary, as an infant he was born of a virgin which was according to prophecy, so NO NOT ordinary, but YES a human. As an infant he was the one who would fulfill God’s word of a covenant that would be for all people, so NO NOT ordinary, but YES a human. As a mortal man God was mindful of him and made him a little lower than the angels, making him a Son of God born of the Spirit called to righteousness to be crowned with glory making him the firstborn of the dead with eternal life and a master overall of creation, to sit upon David’s throne according TO THE FLESH, so NO NOT ordinary, but YES a MAN.
Hi Jodi and Gene,
Me: Saying you are correct and we are wrong doesn’t make you right. The devil says the same thing. Also, saying that you are the very few that believe how you do does not make what you say true.
Apparently you two do not know who the Messiah is. You think he was just an purely human without the spirit of God in him from birth. Then when he was resurrected from the dead he was a glorified flesh and bone man. I may disagree with Anthony, T8, and carmel on the particularities but we do agree what you have described as the messiah is pure blasphemy.
If the Messiah was purely human like we are, he would have sinned because death would have been in his flesh.
Romans 5:12 (bible Hub) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, by which (epi ho) all have sinned:
Me: So I wonder how Christ had not sinned if he had flesh like we do and did not have the holy spirit.
Hi Jodi
You assume that the Old Testament clarifies the New Testament but progressive Revalation goes forward not backwards.
God bless
TC…..YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT MEN ARE BORN SINNERS, is not true, men become sinners, they are not “born” sinners. If that were true then how could God judge us as sinners , I we were born that way.
Your “trinitarian” driven bible hub, which you believe in is wrong .
If Jesus was any different then we are, he could not pay for our sins, he simply would not have qualified to. Because it was by man sin entered into the world therefore it had to be by A PURE man it was ATONED for, NOT A “HALF” GOD “HALF” MAN , OR MORPHED, pre-existing pre-anoibted being of some kind as you PEOPLE falsely preach.
Scripture say he was TEMPTED in all manner as we are, it also says, GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH SIN AS WE’ ARE, so Jesus could not obviously be a God.
WHERE did you ever get the idea that we are born sinners from, it sure is not scriptural. We are born into a sinfull world that is for sure, but to say the are born sinners, is not true, sin is not even applied to us until we reach the age of acountability. Only a fool would believe little children are sinners. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Anthony, that not an assumption by Jodi, Paul said that the Berean’s were more noble then those in Thesolinica, because they searched the scriptures to see if what they were hearing was true or not. Now since Ther was no new testement scriptures at the time he said that, he “obviously” was talking about the scriptures they already had, the old testement scriptures.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
My point is that the Old Testament doesn’t clarifies the New Testament it’s the other way around. It’s call progressive Revalation through out all Scripture.
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