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Edj…..ok I see you are not able to explain your answer and are using the yes no ruling to cop out. Well that explains a lot about what you truly know. Goes to show you how deceptive yes no questing is.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
YOU: This much is true, after the baptism John preached, God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth and by such he could be called THE ANOINTED (the Christos) Christ.
Jodi read carefully and discern the truth:
Matthew 3:14 But John stayed him, saying: I OUGHT TO BE BAPTIZED BY THEE, and COMEST THOU TO ME?
As you can read, JOHN RECOGNIZED JESUS BEFORE HE BAPTISED HIM, AND BEFORE THE SPIRIT OF GOD ASCENDED ON JESUS.
Now the fact that John recognized Jesus before he baptised Him,
WASN’T JESUS ALREADY ANOINTED BY THE SPIRIT IN HIS MOTHER’S WOMB, EVEN MORE THAN JOHN HIMSELF?
Who was simply a creature FILLED with the Holy Ghost from his mother’s womb? Well SPECIFICALLY asserted hereunder in
Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her,
IS OF THE HOLY GHOST
In the above phrase, Jesus is definitely THE SEED OF THE FATHER THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST. ONE ESSENCE OF GOD.
What more then the SEED OF GOD, Jesus needed in order to be anointed BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
Rev.13:8 And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of
THE LAMB, WHICH WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
Jody: IN WHAT WAY THE LAMB WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD? HENCE PRE-EXISTED AS A SPIRIT.
IT ISN’T AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL THAT
“THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN, WAS SLAIN FROM HIS DIVINE SPIRITUAL POWER, HE EMPTIED HIMSELF, AND BECAME IN A WAY DEAD, IN RELATION TO HIS DIVINE STATE, AND INSTEAD BECAME
AS WEAK AS HIS BRETHREN, and born IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN,
EXCEPT SIN.
The spirit of God did not ascend on Jesus to ANOINT HIM.
The spirit of God descended on Jesus as A TESTIMONY
PARTICULARLY IN ISRAEL ( LUCIFER’S EMBODIMENT, THE LOST SHEEP) THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD IN FLESH.
FROM OUT OF THE WORLD. Thus Satan’s process of sin, death and hell was annihilated,
IT SIMPLY DIDN’T AFFECT JESUS’ REDEMPTION PROCESS.
John8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath, I am from above. You are of this world,
I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD.
THE SPIRIT OF GOD as a dove, and the voice of the Father GAVE A TESTIMONY THAT THE SECOND ADAM, JESUS, “THE WORD” WHO WAS MADE FLESH, WAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED THE SON OF GOD, PRECISELY IN ISRAEL the CORRUPTED Adam, the first son of God in flesh.
TO PERFECT GOD’S WORK.
John 4:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, that I may perfect his work
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Edj…..Goes to show you how deceptive yes no questing is.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
HiGene,
Yes/No questions are not deceptive – how odd of you to suggest such a thing ???
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God bless
Ed JGene said:
I am a CHRISTO’S OR ANOINTED ONE LinkWell that explains a lot about what you truly know.
Hi Gene,
The bible says we are part of the body of Christ, it doesn’t
say we are ‘a CHRISTO’S’ – Your Theology is lacking, not mine.____________
God Bless
Ed JHi Gene 👋
What was the real reason for Jesus Baptism?
Firstly to “FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS”? What is unrighteousness? SIN
SO Righteousness NO SIN?If we look at the tabernacle and see how Israels sins were forgiven, we have a mirror image how Christ did away with our sins.
So the High Priest Aaron layed his hands on the goat and transferred all the sins of Israel unto it. The goat did not become a sinner but only carried the sins. After that the goat was lead into the desert.
Now John the Baptist being the highest priest of the Old Testament laid his hands on Jesus at his baptism and transferred all the sins of the world unto Jesus. NOW Jesus carried our sins but did not become a sinner just like the goat it only carried the sins. What happened after his baptism Jesus was also led into the desert like the goat.
Now Jesus carrying our sins had to pay the penalty. Wages of sin is death. So without the sins Jesus Death could not save us. So to fulfill the law wages of sin is death.
IF NO RESURRECTION – NO SALVATION
SO MY QUESTION IF JESUS HAD NOT BEEN BAPTISED – NO SALVATION
IF JESUS HAD NOT DIED – NO SALVATION was He Anointed He’s always been Anointed.He fulfill prophesy, a sign to Israel, but they didn’t see it,they rejected Him.
God bless 🙏 let’s get with program Gene. I’m praying for you.
Anthony……JESUS was indeed the scapegoat and as the goat, he was lead out side the camp (city of Jerusalem ) and there died. As far as John acting as the high priest, no script says John was a high priest, that is an assumption on your part.
And you completely denying that he recieved the HOLY SPIRIT AFTER HIS ANOINTING, after his baptizm is completely against what scripture clearly shows. Thats because you as most decieved christanity believe Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth. which is denying he actually came into his existence at the time of his berth on this earth, you as well as nearly all christendom believe he was “morphed” into a human body. So you are in complete denial of what John related to, when he said that those that deny JESUS HAS CAME IN THE FLESH ARE ANTICHRIST’S, do you not deny that JESUS came into his existence of life “at the time” his berth on “this” earth” , to say you don’t deny it would be a lie Anthony. John was not saying came in the flesh as meaning “morphed” into a human body, but actually came into his “existence” as in never before existing Pryor to that. This you and most all here and in christendom believe, which makes you all , “ANTICHRIST’S “.
Thank you for praying for me, I need it, but while you are please pray the GOD will open your eyes to the truth about what I have just written brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Edj…..you last post said we are not anointed , if you are not anointed with the holy Spirit then you are none of his. All Saint’ are anointed ones.
You said we are the “the body of Christ” but doesn’t say we are CHRISTO’S. So let’s put it in more simpler terms you are saying we are the body of anointed , but not the anointed, tell me how can we be the body of anounted but not anointed.
See that your problem Edj, you have brought into so much “mystery religion” , your very own words are contradictory .
Edj…..Jesus doesent call us brothers and sisters because he is different then we are, he does have authority over us, I have never questioned that, but as far as anointed goes, you would know that if you truly believed what Jesus said, we are anointed with the spirit of truth which is given us by GOD THE FATHER. WHOM JESUS SENT FROM THE FATHER, which is the earnest of the spirit from God the Father.
Come out of confusion, start with understanding Jesus did not “preexist” his berth on this earth, until you get there you haven’t started knowing the truth yet. Edj did not Jesus say “many” would come in my name and say I am the Christ and “decieve many” are you in the many that leads to destruction? but just a “few” will find the narrow and straight path that leads to life. Pray about it Edj.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene
You said: no script says John was a high priest, that is an assumption on your part.
Every Bible student knows that in the days of Christ’s ministry, the high priesthood fluctuated between Annas and Caiaphas. At this late stage in the Aaronic order, the high priest was a Roman appointee. It is doubtful that these political appointees who were in and out of office with every whim of the Romans was truly God’s high priest.
If these men were not the true High Priest from God’s perspective, who was? Was John the Baptist the last high priest of the Aaronic order? Let’s look at the evidence.
John was a descendent of Aaron from both his mother and his father’s side. The Gospel of Luke makes a special point of this fact. “There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.” (Luke 1:5) This odd little fact nestled in Luke’s gospel is trying to tell us something.
John did not use wine. This is often conjectured that this was because John was a Nazarite. However, the other qualifications for being a Nazarite (not cutting the hair and not being defiled by a dead person) are never mentioned in the passages concerning John. The abstinence from wine on the other hand was also a command of the high priest. “And the Lord spake unto Aaron, saying, do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations.” (Lev. 10:8,9)
One of John’s missions was to “prepare ye the way of the Lord.” (Mk 1:3) This could have many different interpretations. Consider, though, that the preparation could be for the new priesthood, the order of Melchizadek.
The prophecy of Malachi has three references in it to a messenger. The first instance is referring to the state of the priesthood. “For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.” (Mal. 2:7) The second reference is to John and the “messenger of the covenant”, Jesus. “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant.” (Mal. 3:1) It makes sense that this word in all three instances refers to a priest instead of one, John, being the odd man out.
If we have correctly assessed John’s role as the last high priest of the Aaronic order, John’s father, Zacharias, would have also been a high priest. Perhaps this is why God chose Zacharias by lot to perform the act of offering on the altar of incense. This duty was supposed to be performed by the high priest. “And Aaron shall burn thereon sweet incense every morning: when he dresseth the lamps, he shall burn incense upon it. And when Aaron lighteth the lamps at even, he shall burn incense upon it, a perpetual incense before the LORD throughout your generations.” (Ex. 30:7,8) Furthermore, is it simply ironic or a clear Bible echo that Aaron’s wife was also named Elisabeth. “And Aaron took him Elisheba [Hebrew form of Elisabeth], daughter of Amminadab, sister of Naashon, to wife.” (Ex. 6:23)
It makes sense for the true high priest of God to baptize Jesus. The scene of Jesus’ baptism would be a transition in priesthoods. “And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office.” (Ex. 40:12,13)
If what we have conjectured is true, it puts an entirely new perspective on John’s statement “He must increase, but I must decrease.” (John 3:30) His priesthood was decreasing while the priesthood of the order of Melchizadek was increasing.
Me: We know John was the last O.T. Prophet and Priest and He acted the part according to the scriptures above.
You said: Thats because you as most decieved christanity believe Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth. he was “morphed” into a human body.
Me: He Did, you just don’t except them scriptures they go against your thought that Jesus Christ is just a man. as far as I’m concern your the one deceived. I’m not even going to send scriptures on this you already seen them and you deny them.
You said: he was “morphed” into a human body. Morphed not a word so I’ll take a guess, do you mean that Jesus Christ changed from a spiritual body to a fleshly body that His Father prepared for Him, “A body I have prepared. ” (God speaking) if so, I agree.
You said: do you not deny that JESUS came into his existence of life “at the time” his berth on “this” earth”
Me: yes I do. He had life before the foundation of the world. you don’t believe that you deny scriptures. There so many scriptures I could send. as far as I’m concern your Anti- Christ.
You said: which makes you all , “ANTICHRIST’S
Me: I know Gene your the only one right! Everyone else is wrong! Well you’ll grow up after a while. But for now strong meat belongs to them that are full age.
God bless
So you are in complete denial of what John related to, when he said that those that deny JESUS HAS CAME IN THE FLESH ARE ANTICHRIST’S, do you not deny that JESUS came into his existence of life “at the time” his berth on “this” earth” ,
JESUS HAS CAME IN THE FLESH
Gene,
Why did John EMPHATICALLY made it clear that those……..JESUS HAS CAME IN THE FLESH …….?
Obvious because HE PRE-EXISTED. Otherwise, he would not have said so.
Who would refer to anybody who is born in this world IN THAT MANNER?
Now read scriptures as clear as crystal that confirm the PRE-EXISTENCE OF JESUS.
John1:14 THE WORD BECAME FLESH and made his dwelling among us.
“THE WORD” of God as a spirit is ETERNAL.
John1:15 John beareth witness of him, and crieth out, saying: This was he of whom I spoke: He that shall come after me, is preferred before me:
BECAUSE HE WAS BEFORE ME.
Gene, JOHN WAS SENT FROM GOD. PRE-EXISTED!
John 1:6 There was A MAN SENT FROM GOD, whose name was John.
Gene do you believe that John PRE-EXISTED?
John1:18 No man hath seen God at any time: THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
WHO IS in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jesus WHILE ON EARTH declares that HE IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended into heaven, but
HE THAT DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN,
THE SON OF MAN
WHO IS IN HEAVEN.
John3:17 For GOD SENT not his Son INTO THE WORLD, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.
John3:31 He that cometh from ABOVE, is above all.
John6:33For the bread of God is that which
COMETH DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and giveth life to the world.
John6:38 Because I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN not to do my own will, but the will of him that SENT ME.
John 6:62 If then you shall see
THE SON OF MAN ASCEND UP WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?
John8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath,
I AM FROM ABOVE. You are of this world,
I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD.
John8:42 Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me.
FOR FROM GOD I PROCEEDED AND CAME; for I came not of myself, but HE SENT ME.
John8:58 Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you,
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS MADE, I AM
John 9:39 And Jesus said: For judgment
I COME INTO THIS WORLD;…….
John16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me, and have believed that
I CAME OUT FROM GOD.28 I CAME FORTH FROM THE FATHER,
and am come into the world: again I leave the world, and I go to the Father.
John 17:24 Father, I WILL THAT WHERE I AM, ………… because thou hast loved me before the creation of the world.
Jesus as a reference to His PRE-EXISTENCE apart from the term most used,
I WAS SENT, He used all possible terms.
I CAME FORTH from the Father, I PROCEEDED FROM the Father, I CAME OUT FROM the God, DESCENDED FROM, I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, and I CAME INTO this world. He also said:
I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD, I AM FROM ABOVE, WHO IS IN HEAVEN, WHERE I WAS BEFORE.
Gene HOW CAN YOU BE SO BLIND AND NOT SEE THE TRUTH.
John9:39 And Jesus said: For judgment I am come into this world; that they who see not, may see; and they who see, may become blind.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Edj…..what it sounds like you meant to say was, we are of the body of the anointed, but are not , (the) Christo’s Jesus, or (the) Messiah JESUS. Now if that is what you meant, then that would be right. Use difinet articles when being specific, would help.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene.
Carmel……Lets deal with the root of the problem ok, then we can move on to the other subjects.
Lets examine what John meant by saying “JESUS CAME IN THE FLESH” YOU PERCIEVED IT, as Jesus came from another point of existence and was some how transformed into a flesh man. So the cruch of the problem and your burden of proof is to explain what or who was he before his berth on this earth. You need to show from scripture some activity of his Pryor to his berth on this earth. You need to show from scripture how this transformation took place.
I on the other hand need to show that Jesus was a ordinary human being brought into his existence exactly as we are. Had to grow up and learn exactly as we do, wax a flesh born human from the loins of his father king David, so let’s deal with this one thing at a time first, because that is the start point of Christanity’s failures.
So I will ask you a question first, what did Jesus mean when he said this,
Rev 22:16…. I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the “root” and “offspring” of David, and the bright and morning star.
I have not mentioned more then one right now because let’s try to understand this first, without using any “mysterious religious” concepts, OK ?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Rev 22:16…. I Jesus have sent my angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the “root” and “offspring” of David, and the bright and morning star.
Rev.22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Gene,
You said: your burden of proof is to explain what or who was he before his berth on this earth.
No I’m afraid you’re wrong, I haven’t got the least problem simply because your own piece of scripture it clearly proofs that Jesus
BEFORE HE WAS MAN, OR MORE APPROPRIATE
AN EXTRAORDINARY MAN, The fact that no ORDINARY HUMAN BEING on earth was EVER SUITABLY available AS THE Messiah,
HE WAS THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR!
Also, Jesus Christ, Himself declared in that same chapter you produced that He also is:
Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Now I bet it is quite a headache for you, since you deny Jesus pre-estence, to explain both what is
A MORNING STAR, and what THE PHRASES
Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. MEAN
Unless you admit that HE PRE-EXISTED!
Now read again this scripture also from revelation, which didn’t please you by the look of it SINCE IT IS MORE THAN CLEAR THAT JESUS PRE-EXISTED:
Rev. 13:8 And all those dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb,
WHICH WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
IF ANY MAN HAVE EAR, LET HIM HEAR.
With every respect to you Gene and all those like you,
HAVE YOU GOT EARS TO HEAR WITH?
Gene you asked: You need to show from scripture some activity of his Pryor to his berth on this earth.
HERE WE GO GENE!
Daniel 3:25 He answered, and said: Behold I see four men loose, and walking in the midst of the fire, and there is no hurt in them, and
THE FORM OF THE FORTH IS LIKE
THE SON OF GOD.
Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared to him in the vale of Mambre as he was sitting at the door of his tent, in the very heat of the day. 2And when he had lifted up his eyes, there appeared to him three men standing near him: and as soon as he saw them he ran to meet them from the door of his tent, and adored down to the ground.3And he said: Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart, afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant. And they said: Do as thou hast spoken. 6Abraham made haste into the tent to Sera, and said to her: Make haste, temper together three measures of flour, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7And he himself ran to the herd, and took from thence a calf very tender and very good, and gave it to a young man: who made haste and boiled it.8He took also butter and milk, and the calf which he had boiled, and set before them: but he stood by them under the tree. 9And when they had eaten, they said to him: Where is Sara thy wife? He answered: Lo, she is in the tent.10And he said to him: I will return and come to thee at this time, life accompanying and Sara thy wife shall have a son. Which when Sara heard, she laughed behind the door of the tent. 11Now they were both old, and far advanced in years, and it had ceased to be with Sara after the manner of women. 12And she laughed secretly, saying: After I am grown old, and my lord is an old man, shall I give myself to pleasure? 13And the Lord said to Abraham: Why did Sera laugh, saying: Shall I who am an old woman bear a child indeed ? 14Is there any thing hard to God? according to appointment I will return to thee at this same time, life accompanying, and Sara shall have a son. 15Sara denied, saying: I did not laugh: for she was afraid. But the Lord said, Nay: but thou didst laugh:16And when the men rose up from thence, they turned their eyes towards Sodom: and Abraham walked with them, bringing them on the way. 17And the Lord said: Can I hide from Abraham what I am about to do:18Seeing he shall become a great and mighty nation, and in him all the nations of the earth shall be blessed?19For I know that he will command his children, and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord, and do judgment and justice: that for Abraham’s sake the Lord may bring to effect all the things he hath spoken unto him. 20And the Lord said: The cry of Sodom and Gomorrha is multiplied, and their sin is become exceedingly grievous. 21I will go down and see whether they have done according to the cry that is come to me: or whether it be not so, that I may know.22And they turned themselves from thence, and went their way to Sodom: but Abraham as yet stood before the Lord. 23And drawing nigh he said: Wilt thou destroy the just with the wicked? 24If there be fifty just men in the city, shall they perish withal? and wilt thou not spare that place for the sake of the fifty just, if they be therein? 25Far be it from thee to do this thing, and to slay the just with the wicked, and for the just to be in like case as the wicked, this is not beseeming thee: thou who judgest all the earth, wilt not make this judgment. 26And the Lord said to him: If I And in Sodom fifty just within the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake. 27And Abraham answered, and said: Seeing I have once begun, I will speak to my Lord, whereas I am dust and ashes. 28What if there be Ave less than fifty just persons? wilt thou for five and forty destroy the whole city? And he said: I will not destroy it, if I find five and forty. 29And again he said to him: But if forty be found there, what wilt thou do? He said: I will not destroy it for the sake of forty. 30Lord, saith he, be not angry, I beseech thee, if I speak: What if thirty shall be found there? He answered: I will not do it, if I And thirty there. 31Seeing, saith he, I have once begun, I will speak to my Lord. What if twenty be found there? He said: I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty. 32I beseech thee, saith he, be not angry, Lord, if I speak yet once more: What if tell should be found there ? And he said: I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.33And the Lord departed, after he had left speaking to Abraham: and Abraham returned to his place.
You also asked:
You need to show from scripture how this transformation took place.
HERE WE GO GENE!
Matthew 1:18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together,
SHE WAS FOUND WITH CHILD,
OF THE HOLY GHOST.
WOW,WOW, AND WOW, HOW ORDINARY JESUS WAS WHEN HE WAS IN HIS MOTHER’S UNIQUE MYSTERIOUS WOMB.
19Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. 20But while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for
THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER,
IS OF THE HOLY GHOST
21And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name JESUS. For he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: 23Behold A VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD,
( AN ORDINARY CHILD?)
and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name
EMMANUEL, WHICH BEING INTERPRETED IS
GOD WITH US.
Obvious AN ORDINARY GOD I SUPPOSE NO?
Luke 2:7
And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him up in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
The Shepherds and Angels
8And there were in the same country shepherds watching, and keeping the night watches over their flock.
9And behold an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the brightness of God shone round about them; and they feared with a great fear. 10And the angel said to them: Fear not; for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, that shall be to all the people: 11For, this day, is born to you a Saviour,in the city of David.
WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD, (Now may I ask you, WHY DID JESUS, BORN CHRIST THE LORD, had to be baptized. since HE was born
CHRIST THE LORD?)
12And this shall be a sign unto you. You shall find the infant wrapped in swaddling clothes, and laid in a manger.
13And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army, praising God, and saying:
14Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ, ORDINARY?
Edj…..what it sounds like you meant to say was, we are of the body of the anointed, but are not , (the) Christo’s Jesus, or (the) Messiah JESUS. Now if that is what you meant, then that would be right
Thank you Gene!
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God bless
Ed JCarmel…… Go look up Strongs H1247 and you will see how that scripture was Changed to read “the” using a definet article there, instead of the actual wording and the form of the fourth is “like” (a) son of God. See how just switching a simple word can change the text. Scriptures shows there are “many” sons of God. So you can’t use that one to mean JESUS, WAS WHO IT WAS SPEAKING of, if you are going to be honest with the actual text. Then you went on to throw in all kinds of other stuff, I ask you to stay with the quoted text , Jesus clearly said he was “the root and offspring of David”, let’s just focus on that “one” point, right now and then we can focus on something else ok?
So from just that part of what JESUS SAID , How do you understand it? Please stay with exactly what the text says and try to be specific to the text, being posted made . You have not yet answered it, So please do, for JUST a start on who JESUS REALLY IS. Remember we must be specific to the text were descussing.
Peace and love to you and yours ………gene
Carmel…… More references to Jesus being a son of David, and this is just on the one subject about Jesus. We can each take out turn, but first let dwell on this one subject, OK? REMEMBER what Jesus himself said, the great deception would be about Him, “for many” will come in my name saying I am the Christ and decieve many”, so the great deception will be about who Jesus “really is”. Right? Now back to the subject.
Mat 15:22, Mat20:30 &31, Mat 21:9, 15, Mat 22:42, Mar 10:47&48, Mar 12: 35&36&37, Luk 1:32, Luk 18:38&39, Acts 2: 29&30, Acts 13:22&23, Rom 1:3,
Please read and respond to “all” these scriptures , I believe these scriptures clearly show Jesus “the man” was a decendent of King David. Now remember, I did not say the “anointing ” He had on him was, but the “man” Jesus himself was.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Go look up Strongs H1247 and you will see how that scripture was Changed to read “the” using a definet article there, instead of the actual wording and the form of the fourth is “like” (a) son of God
Gene, Hereunder are the most common versions ofDaniel 3:25
I personally trust ONLY KJV, and DRB, and decide between them. Now in this particular case, these two versions agree, and SO DO I.
Daniel 3:25
Heb ק) דָּמֵ֖ה לְבַר־ אֱלָהִֽין׃ ס
NAS.is like a son of [the] gods!
KJV.of the fourth is like the Son of God.
DRB of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Then you went on to throw in all kinds of other stuff, I ask you to stay with the quoted text , Jesus clearly said he was “the root and offspring of David”, let’s just focus on that “one” point, right now and then we can focus on something else ok?
Gene, That’s what pleases you, obviously, you are more concerned about Jesus’ lineage from the human perspective point of view. Now Jesus was not just AN ORDINARY MAN, HE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY MAN, and He was born also as the Son of God. Now read
Luke 1And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called
THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH . And the Lord God will give to him
THE THRONE OF HIS FATHER DAVID,
As you can read the angel respected more the fact that Jesus was the son of God, the fact that he mentioned it first, but also mentioned, that in relation to Jesus’ flesh body He was of David. Thus the titles of
THE SON OF GOD and THE SON OF DAVID ARE INSEPARABLE.
Now your verse I’m afraid includes also both the title related to David, and the title related to
THE SON OF GOD. which is THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR.
WHICH JESUS MANIFESTED ON MOUNT TABOR, and which you are not intrested in, OBVIOUSLY , IT HAS DESTROYED YOUR POINT OF ARGUMENT Gene.
You said: Then you went on to throw in all kinds of other stuff,
No Gene YOU YOURSELF ASKED:
So the cruch of the problem and your burden of proof is to explain what or who was he before his berth on this earth. You need to show from scripture some activity of his Pryor to his berth on this earth.
That’s what you asked for Gene and
THAT’S WHAT YOU GOT, I’ M AFRAID:
Now tell me your perspective in relation to what Jesus proclaimed IN THAT SAME VERSE , which you left out, and WHICH IS VITAL REGARDING
WHO JESUS IS,AND WAS BEFORE HE WAS ON EARTH, the fact that He made it emphatically clear that
HE WAS ALSO THE BRIGHT MORNING STAR, “not just the the root and offspring of David”
Peace and Love in Jesus Christ
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