The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

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     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene 👋

    You said to Carmel: Then you went on to throw in all kinds of other stuff, I ask you to stay with the quoted text , Jesus clearly said he was “the root and offspring of David”, let’s just focus on that “one” point, right now and then we can focus on something else ok.

    1. Me: As far as I think carmel did a excellent job. Why is that you want to control the conversation, and maniplate the scriptures? That’s a good sign, that you are cultish and anti-christ.    To me that would be a good way to set a trap!, Gene are you a hunter of men? All those scriptures carmel used are some of the very one’s that you deny. you actually have to twist and if them a different meaning. Gene your really have to get with the program, listen Gene, the scriptures means what they say and say what they mean.                          God bless Gene,                “keep the good work up Carmel”
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     t8 
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    T8 ….. you added another feature to your “yes no” demands , and then went into a large paragraph explaining it, while also completely ignored all the prophecies written about Jesus , like he was not even a prophesied person the was to come. But JESUS explainded himself to his deciples by opening up prophetic words written about him.

    Pay attention Gene. You have always been allowed to explain why you answered yes or no.

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     t8 
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    This much is true, after the baptism John preached, God ANOINTED Jesus of Nazareth and by such he could be called THE ANOINTED (the Christos) Christ. 

    But you cannot answer these two points.

    1. Jesus was called the Christ at birth.
    2. Jesus is not the only person in history to receive the Holy Spirit or be anointed. So why aren’t they the Christ if that is the only requirement for being Christ.

    I doubt you will give me an honest answer to these two questions. So don’t blame us if we are suspicious of your motives and teachings.

    #844083
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony, I am not trying to cmpletely  control the descusion , but when we jump all over the place it gets confusing , I just want to take one thing at a time, then we can move on,  Carmel can bring into descussion all those thing he said, but let’s try to get clear one thing at a time thats all. You can also join in  or anyone here can too.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

     

    #844084
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..you have been answered not only by me, but by Jodi as well . The angel was simply  telling them the long awaited and looked forward to Messiah had be born in the city of David,  but that does not say he was already a Messiah at berth. You mentioned their were other anointed ones, yes there were, they were call  anounted saviors to , MOSES, Joshua, Samson ect.  But MOSES said that God would raise up  from them (the tribes of Isreal) a man like him, (a anointed savior) and that unto him they should heed. They all were looking forward for that to happen.

    The angel was just telling  them that , he had arrived and was born. Another word the fulfillment of that prophesy that they were looking for had arrived, it’s just that simple.

    You knew all along we were never saying  Jesus was not ANOINTED and then became the CHRISTO’S of God.   Our online argument was he was not anointed at berth. You had to full well-known that.  So who was the one being dishonest here.  But at least you now admit he was later ANOINTED, just as we were saying all along.  You had honest answers over and over. Please don’t  use the words were being dishonest that is simply not true.

    Peace and love to you and yours ………gene

     

     

    #844086
     GeneBalthrop 
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    CARMEL….I see you did get back to me,  Now about the words ” THE verses A , a simple strongs cordance will give you the answer, it should be translated as an “A”  from the Greek text. Why?, obviously the person who said it could not even know there even was a Jesus Christ, because he hadn’t  ever been mentioned in scripture yet. So the words “a” would be more apporate.

    I also posted several other scriptures that show he was the son of king David , thats what he was called over and over.  You seem to believe being call the son of God , some how seperates him from the rest of us, so that a good point maybe we should descuss, I would respectfully disagree with you on that, many scriptures relate us as son of God also, even Jesus said it over and over ,  here’s  just a few that comes to mind, “your” father in heaven knows you have need of these things’, pray this way “our” Father who art in heaven”, tell them I am going to, “my” father and “your” Father, “my” God and “your” GOD”,  do you see how Jesus keep us on the same playing field with him, in relationship to God the Father. I am not even taking into account the many, many other scriptures that say the same thing, like,  “know you not that now you are the sons of God”.  And remember what it says about Adam,  “Adam the son of God”.  The only thing that would make the man Jesus special as a human being would be his anointing, which made him the messiah of God. And remember what it says,  “until we all come to the measure and “full” stature of Christ.” 

    So let’s  say Jesus is a son of God,  does not make him and different the we are, because all flesh have there origins from one God.   So let’s continue  to descuss  how Jesus is different then we are as relating to his humanity, I am not talking about his position of Importance, in I our lives,  just his humanity as a pure flesh and blood human being goes.  How should we see him?, as a human being, a very important human, or something else?

    My hope Carmel that this will be fruitful for both of us.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

     

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     t8 
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    T8…..you have been answered not only by me, but by Jodi as well .

    Rubbish Gene.

    I could ask you a question right now and I bet you won’t answer it. You will avoid the yes and no, and go for a rant instead.

    #844148
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..we have clearly answered you yes/no question by the explanations given you. Just as you have not answered my question as Jesus being baptized twice, why didn’t you just say yes or no,  but went on to give your explanation.  So the quest still remains, WAS JESUS ANOINTED TWICE, YES OR NO PLEASE. I COULD ALSO AS YOU MANY YES/ NO QUESTIONS THAT I DOUGHT  YOU WOULD ANSWER WITH JUST A YES/NO ANSWER.   But it’s fine with me if you want yes/no answers,  here’s one for you,  DID JESUS SAY HE WAS THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING OF David yes or no please?  Here’s another did Jesus actually say he was “alive” before Abraham?,  yes or no please.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

     

     

    #844153
     carmel 
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    We do all for the sake of

    THE LOVE and

    THE TRUTH,  JESUS. Especially for the BLIND.

    Thanks for the encouragement and support.

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.

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     t8 
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     why didn’t you just say yes or no,  but went on to give your explanation.

    Gene, again, please pay attention.

    When you ask a yes no question, it is expected that you answer and you have always been allowed to give the reason for your yes or no.

    Further, you have always been allowed to say: “I don’t know”.

    The rule is fair and has been here for years. No excuses Gene.

    And I have always complied to this rule. But bear in mind that I do not read every post, so I may miss a question from time to time.

    But I can think of at least three people here who regularly avoid all yes no questions.

    And I believe that such people do this for evil reasons. They are not being honest.

    So now that you know the ruling and have no more excuses for not answering us clearly about what you believe, I will now hit you up with some questions.

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     t8 
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    Gene.

    Is it true that for most of Jesus existence on Earth, you believe he was not the Christ?

    Yes / No.

    #844162
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8…..yes,  I believe he became the Christo’s of God when he recieved his anointing of the Holy Spirit at the Jordan river, just as scripture clearly shows.

    I hope that is clear enough fo you to understand.

    Now I will ask you a question, do you believe Jesus was anointed twice?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

     

     

     

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     Ed J 
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    do you believe Jesus was anointed twice?

    Yes

    #844168
     Ed J 
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    Hi Gene,

    Do you believe Jesus is ‘a Christ’, as in one of many Christs?
    “Yes” or “No”

    #844170
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj……yes, he is the first born of “many brothers”. 

    All Saint’s  are anointed ones of God, and capable of doing greater works then Jesus, according to Jesus, that is. 

    EDj……it’s all a matter of , do you “believe” what Jesus said, “yes or no” please.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

     

    #844172
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj….1 Ti 2:5….“For there is “one” God, and “one” mediator between God and men, “THE MAN” (the anointed ) Jesus”.

    So EDj…..do you believe he was “a man”,  or do you believe he was something else,  from another existence other then a man?  That seperates him from being just a “MAN”  Yes or no please.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #844173
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8….. Do you truly believe JESUS was ” from” the root and really was an offspring of King David?  Yes or no please.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #844176
     carmel 
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    So the words “a” would be more appropriate.

    Gene,

    With regards to the above, as I said in the other post, I rely on the scriptures KJV. and DRB versions.

     

    YOU: How should we see him?, as a human being, a very important human, or something else?

    Now to Jesus’ UNIQUE extraordinary humanity, OUT OF THE WORLD. Despite a son of David. Well clear in

    Luke 1:30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.

    31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 

    32 He shall be great, and shall be called THE SON OF THE MOST  HIGH ; and the Lord God shall

    give unto him the throne of David his father, and he shall reign in the house of Jacob forever.

    35 And the angel answering said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the SON OF GOD.

    Gene EXPLAIN WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE PROCLAIMS.

     

    Luke 1:15 For he shall be great before the Lord; and shall drink no wine nor strong drink: and

    HE SHALL BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER’S WOMB.

    In the above John the Baptist was ANOINTED by the Holy Ghost. Now read hereunder:

    Matthew 3:14 But John stayed him, saying:  I OUGHT TO BE BAPTIZED BY THEE, and COMEST THOU TO ME?

    The above declaration by John was BEFORE HE BAPTIZED JESUS. This is a clear confirmation that

    JESUS WAS ALREADY ANOINTED

    EVEN MORE THAN JOHN SINCE HE WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. THE SEED OF GOD.

    The spirit of God did not descend on Jesus to ANOINT HIM.

    The spirit of God descended on Jesus as

    A TESTIMONY PARTICULARLY IN ISRAEL. TO BE OFFICIALLY PROCLAIMED

    THE SON OF GOD/SON OF MAN of David

    Luke 2:48 And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? 49 And he said to them: How is it that you sought me?

    DID YOU NOT KNOW, THAT I MUST BE ABOUT MY FATHER’S BUSINESS?

    Which father’s business? DAVID’S or GOD’S

    Was Jesus ANOINTED AT TWELVE YEARS OLD?

    MORE TO COME!

     

    Peace and Love in Jesus Christ.

     

    #844189
     Ed J 
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    Hi Gene,

    Do you believe Jesus is ‘a Christ’, as in one of many Christs?
    “Yes” or “No”

    Edj……yes

    HiGene,

    According to John 20:31 Jesus is “the Christ”

    “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
    and that believing ye might have life through his name.” (John 20:31)

    “a Christ” is not in the bible even once – back to the drawing board
    “a Christ” – “0 occurrences in 0 sections.

    #844190
     Ed J 
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    EDj……it’s all a matter of , do you “believe” what Jesus said, “yes or no” please.

    Yes

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