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Flesh contributes nothing.
The Word became flesh contributed nothing?
Jesus doesn’t have a divine nature of his own
See, more false accusations. Never have said that.
If you do not know that the human spirit given to man is only a temporary source of life,
Again, I never said that. But what I do say is our spirits bear witness with God’s spirit that we are sons of God, so that is how we have unity with God, not physically, but with our spirits. I suppose you haven’t had this experience judging on your teaching one spirit at a time philosophy.
Or do you teach that we have our own spirit, the Spirit of God at the same time, but we lose one of them later?
To all…..Php 2:6, years ago I did a GREEK word study on this verse and some Greek scholars translated this verse this way.
“Who being in the form of God, thought not to rob (God0 to make himself equal with GOD”.
Jesus could have easely taken the credit for all the words God was giving him to say, as well as taking credit for all the mircales , God was doing through him. But Jesus never tried to rob God of the works God the Father was doing through him, like Moses did at the water of Meriba.
There were times when it was close though, when Jesus told MARY OR MARTHA, Lazarus’ sister,
John 11:40-42 …Jesus said unto her, “Said I not unto you that, if you would believe , you shoud “see the glory of God” ?
Now notice what JESUS SAID AFTER TELLING HER THAT, ” FATHER, I thank you that you have heard me . verse 42…”and I knew that you hearest me always; (now notice what he says after this) , but because of the people which stand by I said (IT), that they may believe that YOU have sent me . You see Jesus was being very clear to God the father what he meant by what he said. Why, because they could have taken his words to mean he was THE GOD that raised LAZARUS.
He that has an ear let him hear
Peace and love to you and yours …….gene
Hi T8,
A Son of God will also be a god? Is that what you mean?
The reason the Son has a share of the divine nature is that he holds in him the treasure of the Spirit of God.
That Spirit manifests in knowledge, words, attitudes and actions done through him.
God was powerfully at work in him to will and to do.
He wants us to give God the glory.
,Hi T8
Yes.
Surely you understand Rom 8.16 which you quote?
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.
Those yet alive by the breath of God, who hold the treasure of the Spirit as well, will live after they die.
Find the river of eternal life before the cord breaks and the bowl is crushed and we can no longer get water at the well.
Hi T8,
The Flesh contributes nothing ….is the teaching of God.
God alone is good. All is of grace.
All good things men do in the kingdom come from the Spirit of God at work in them.
Men can add nothing useful to the wonderful work of our God.
We are privileged to be chosen as vessels.
Hi T8,
You believe that the spirit of a man is comparable with the Spirit of God?
Vanity, vanity all is vanity
Hi T8,
We are all familiar with what you do not believe.
You do not believe in a trinity god.
But what you do believe in is increasingly vague and confusing.
You are quick to mock the beliefs of others without revealing what you do hold to yourself.
You offer a few verses of scripture that give limited support to your literalist views but beyond that you offer nothing.
What gives?
Hi Jodi,
I will answer your questions to me on page 73 of this post on the thread, “The Creations of Genesis 1 and John 1 Revised”.
Hi Jodi,
You:
Hi Anthony,
Did it ever occur to you that when Paul says “HE” that “HE” Paul is referring to is the resurrected Jesus? Jesus who is no longer flesh and blood, did in fact partake of the same. Paul wants to make certain the people know that the Jesus who sits at God’s right hand was flesh and blood, just like we are, he was tempted just like we are.
“HE” that now has been resurrected, before “he” was resurrected, “he” took part of flesh and blood just like us.
The brethren are already his brethren, then Jesus the son of Abraham chooses to be made like his brethren in some way, in what way did Jesus make himself like his brethren?
The passage does not say a pre-existing son chooses to be made into a human, now does it Anthony, but isn’t that exactly what you are forcing the text to say?Me: Who is he that took part in flesh and blood like us, may I ask? It had to be one that existed but had not partaken of flesh and blood until he became of flesh and blood. How can the resurrected Messiah partake in flesh and blood after he was resurrected from the dead but had not existed prior to that?
It is the Word that existed as a spirit that partook of flesh and blood, not one that had resurrected from the dead. The Messiah became the Son of God with power, that is the true son of God by the resurrection from the dead.Hi All,
Hi All,
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;Me: The Messiah had only one spirit at his conception, the holy spirit.
Eccl 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have ALL HAVE ONE BREATH (G7303:spirit); so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
G7307. ruach Definition: breath, wind, spirit.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Me: After Adam had eaten of the forbidden fruit, he life is of the spirit of this world, which is of Satan.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 15 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels (which includes the spirit of this world); but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Me: The Messiah came to destroy the works of the devil–that is death. He was a murderer from the beginning. We follow the holy spirit or we follow the flesh with the spirit of the devil, which ends up in death.
Phil 2:11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost
Me: The whole creation will be restored. When man sinned, the whole creation was subject to death. The only spirit in the end will be the holy spirit.
Hi TC,
Did the ONE SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit, enter the man Jesus at conception? Any scriptures?
Did the Holy Spirit, Who will never leave or forsake him, leave him at death?
Was he also raised by the same Holy Spirit that was in him?
Is Jesus now alive by the Spirit that raised him?
If so when did the Holy Spirit return?
Hi TC,
Yes the Spirit leads to life.
Did Adam have the Holy Spirit?
Do the Sons of Adam all have the Holy Spirit ?
Hi Nick
Do you suppose that Jesus Christ had the nature of God before the foundation of the World and when He” the Word became flesh (Jesus Christ) when the Virgin Mary was over shadow by the Holy Spirit at conception, that He already had the Spirit , and the nature of Man was fuse with the nature of God, where we can’t even see two nature but one, that He always had and always will have the Spirit of God. When we are born again we ourselves take on the Divine nature, that’s when we also have the Spirit of God, and that’s when our human nature fuses with the nature of God. So you tell me, did Jesus Christ have the Spirit of God at His conseption? Yes or no
God bless
Hi Anthony,
No.
He was like to us in all ways except sin.
None us us had the Holy Spirit from conception
Hi Anthony,
To imagine that man can offer anything useful to God except to be a vessel for His work
is just foolish and arrogant vanity.
Hi Anthony,
Unless you see that the works done by Jesus were wrought by the Spirit of God in him,
you diminish the power of God.
Take care.
Hi Nick
You was born again by The Spirit of God, and took on the nature of God. Like He was at birth He took on Human nature you took on Divine nature. His is literal our is Spiritual. Open your Spiritual eyes Nick.
God bless
Nick…..The primary difference between them and us is this, we tie Jesus root and existence to mankind, we say he came into his existence as a human being one of us, we believe God by his holy spirit kept and perfected , our human brother Jesus, we see him a we are a members of the Family of God, the Father “anointed” childern.
They on the other hand see JESUS AS A GOD, or somekind of preexisting deity. There is a hugh gulf between us and them, time will certainly prove who is right and who is wrong.
The interesting thing about all of this is, everyone here who see it the way we do, has always seen it that way, even before they came here , and those who haven’t seen it that way, haven’t seen it that way even before they came here.
Trying to convince them is futile, if they don’t have it, they simply don’t. Remember what scripture say’s
“Unless the LORD build the house the weary builders build in vain, unless the LORD is the city’s shield the guards maintain a useless watch” . It’s all vanity of vanity, vexation of Spirit brother. That is why the apostles and even Jesus didn’t spend much time trying to convience people, because they knew that either they had the understanding of the truth , or they simply didn’t. God the father must be the one that draws them to THE TRUE JESUS, or it simply hasn’t been given them yet. If God has given them a spirit of slumber , we can never wake them ourselves.
I tell you this so you and Jodi don’t get to disheartened brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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