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Nick……Sorrow upon sorrow, so much vanity and vexation of Spirit. If God would only open T8 eyes, it is, my sincere wish, that God would open his eyes and pour forth his spirit on him.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene
Hi t8,
Thanks for replying.
You say he emptied himself and came in the flesh and had to learn.
You say, “I can assure you that no human could be made perfect to become the needed sacrifice for sins. So God sent his son into the world so that the world could be saved through him. God paid the highest price to save us which shows his great love. The son of God was the agent that God created all things through. He is the image of the invisible God and the prototype son.”
I am confused by your words. He came in the flesh, but he was not human, as you say no human could be made perfect? What exactly was he then, he was in human flesh but he was not human?
If God sent a son down from heaven, who as you say emptied himself, what exactly did the infant Jesus HAVE that God had to send down?
Please give the passage where it says that God’s pre-existing son came down from heaven and emptied himself.
Please read my last post on Phil 2, I am adding more to it below,
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
The above passage is not speaking of a pre-existing being, but Jesus the Christ ON EARTH who was in the form of God having been given all the powers of God’s Spirit. Having those powers he thought it not robbery to be equal to God. But HE MADE himself of no reputation, what did he say to the people t8, he said that he did nothing of himself. In the full measure and power of God’s Spirit Jesus the anointed, found himself in the fashion of a man humbling himself to the OBEDIENCE of death.
Jesus with the power of the Spirit rose to fame but he made no reputation of himself and said only God is good.
Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Jesus humbled himself, never using the powers of the Spirit to serve himself.
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Jesus had the will of a human as he was a human. He is called an Anthropos HUMAN in scripture about 100 times!! To say that Jesus was NOT a human of the seed of David when it is written in God’s word is baffling. You read Philippians 2 not acknowledging that it is referencing who it literally says it is referencing Jesus the Christ. The man MADE the anointed given at the river the full power of God’s Spirit is made in the likeness of man, HOW IS THAT t8? Why don’t you use scripture to understand scripture? Jesus full of the Spirit and power is in the likeness of man, meaning he was abled to be tempted as all men are tempted, yet unlike man he remained without sin. Jesus did not give into his human temptation, he overcame a human’s will that fears death, HE HUMBLED HIMSELF and went to the cross to die.
Luke 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
WHO is the Son of God here t8?? It is the MAN Jesus whose God’s Spirit has descended upon. That is who is being called the Son of God.
You want to say he previously was a Son of God okay, but here in this passage it is the man that just received the Spirit that God is saying “YOU are my Son.”
Luke 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He HAS SENT ME to proclaim freedom for the prisoner sand recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
Romans 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Word man is Anthropos HUMAN
John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man (HUMAN) be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Scriptures comes together to reveal a rich and clear truth,
Jesus was baptized and the Spirit of God descended upon him calling him into righteousness. Through that calling he would fulfill all righteousness. Having been born of God he would be made perfect, he would learn obedience through suffering. Read Isaiah, Luke 4 with Jesus quoting Isaiah, Matthew 3 and 1 John 3, Jesus was born of the Spirit at the river, begotten by God being manifested a Son of God. According to John 3, A HUMAN was to be lifted up, that human is said to be the Son of God that God gave to the world for the forgiveness of sins. That HUMAN to be lifted up t8, is CALLED the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. He is the only begotten Son having been called to righteousness to be GIVEN for a covenant of the people. God GAVE this begotten Son, born of the fullness of the Spirit at the river, the HUMAN that was to be lifted up for our redemption.
God did not send a pre-existing begotten son down to earth to then die for us. God anointed Jesus with His Spirit manifesting him into the Son of God to destroy the works of the devil, to overcome the human will and it’s disobedience to God. He sent this human born of God’s Spirit out into the world, and once perfected, God gave HIM OVER to death. He then raised him up from the dead and he is still the Son of Man, he is still the offspring of David, and he is the firstborn of God into eternal life.
All passages that you try and say are speaking of a pre-existing being is speaking of JESUS, it is applied to the human Jesus. In the beginning God’s GLORY was held in the human Jesus who He would perfect, who would become the firstborn over all of a new heaven and earth. God made HUMANS in His own image, Jesus is the first human made in God’s image.
Ask yourself Nick if your posts are scripture or is this:
but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
It seems you are going nuts realising my stance is to believe the text as written while rejecting your own understanding of this.
And I don’t need to resort to false accusations to detract from my own shortcomings as the guilty often do. The guilty do this to move attention away from themselves when they feel they are being caught out.
Hi T8,
Not a good idea to praise yourself too generously.
Quoting the words is no proof you have any spiritual understanding.
Seek the Spirit.
No praise for me, rather I know I’m safe if I trust in the Lord and not rely on my own understanding. I believe the scripture as it is written as I believe is the right thing to do. The only credit you should give me is this decision to trust the written word and reject the crafty dealings of scriptural interpretation that derives a different intended meaning via other persons supposed revelations and false authority.
t8,
You DO NOT believe in the scriptures as they are written, you deny scripture and misinterpret others. You read passages fully ignoring the surrounding text. You read a verse and say it means something not substantiated by any other verse, all the while the meaning of the verse is given by other passages that are absolutely clear, that need no interpretation. Those passages you either just ignore, or pretend that they do not apply.
You don’t even believe that Jesus was a human even though it is written about 100 times him being called one.
You say Phil 2 is actually not speaking of Jesus the Christ, even though it directly says it is. You can’t even bring yourself to apply the beginning of the chapter and the message we are to take from that chapter, instead you teach antichrist.
Your Christ is not a human of the seed of Abraham, even though we are directly told such.
Philippians 2 is speaking of ABRAHAM’S SEED, who IS the Christ, the anointed, called the Son of God according to the Spirit, also called the Son of God because he is a PERFECTED HUMAN, NEVER called the Son of God because he pre-existed as the Son of God. In his anointing Chrio made into the anointed Christos he received all power of the Spirit, which made him famous by the deeds he performed through his anointing. A man with all the powers of God’s Spirit, with only righteousness dwelling in him, is surely considered to be in the form of God, seeing himself with those powers as being equal to God. But he found himself even in the form of God to be in the likeness of a man, like all men in that he was tempted to sin, but unlike all men in that he did not sin, he never used those powers for himself but he humbled himself and was a servant unto God. Let that same mind be in you that was in Christ THE SEED of Abraham, a HUMAN. Whatever gift you receive from God do not bring yourself to vanity, honor God and serve others.
The passages does not speak of Jesus before he was Jesus, the passages speak of Christ, the SEED of Abraham, when he had been ANOINTED CHRISTOS with all God’s powers ON EARTH.
Hi T8,
So you believe you own the intended meaning of scripture,
and you believe in yourself.
Anything deeper?
Hi!
Wow! things you miss 😉 like boiling points
you know guys this is the jesus divine theory. same as before & winners write history.
however, as these words are rarely used )o(
i agree with nick on the superman complex. not healthy. ego enhancement.
T8, all my love to you XOXO your words are sharper w/ less meaning, its alright. go play in the woods, feel again. the greatest moments in life happen when your at peace. silent; listen.
Mwah!
Hi Jodi,
Perfection only can come from God.
Jesus was filled with the Spirit and completely submitted to his Father.
Transformed by the renewal of his mind he became what God wanted him to be, by submission.
You DO NOT believe in the scriptures as they are written, you deny scripture and misinterpret others.
But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid! For behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord! And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
Jodi, I believe this scripture as it is clearly written and you do not. Simple.
It’s not even a debate. It is just a matter of pointing this out in the hope that delusions based on false doctrine make persons question their doctrine knowing that it contradicts scripture.
Hi Nick,
you’re submissive? nah, just detail oriented. building scripture on top of scripture, on top of scripture.
you speak of spirit like your in the know.
spirit doesn’t not require submissiveness, only man requires such. spirit is just knowing.
and what happened between you and T8, you two were so close at one time. you wouldn’t have yourself thinking the elect have gone astray would you?
Hi T8,
Not a good idea to praise yourself too generously.
Quoting the words is no proof you have any spiritual understanding.
Seek the Spirit.
The only thing we can really be credited for are the decisions we make as we have a will and can choose God or not. In the case of scripture, I choose to believe God’s version of it which is what is written if it was faithfully translated. Other versions where people put some kind of extra spin on it is not the pure unadulterated scripture. That is God’s word tainted and strained by human understanding. Best to be led by the Spirit and not by our own understanding and secret knowledge. This verse is what it is. Accept it or reject it. I accept it. If you say this is me bragging then whatever. But I am pointing out reality and that is the truth of the matter.
But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid! For behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord! And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
You reject this outright. You do not believe he was the messiah ‘Today” which was when Jesus was a baby in the City of David. This is reality too. You can clearly read this above. And of course it is a worry to deny that Jesus is the Christ at any time. Some serious warning are given about that.
Hi T8,
You believe you alone are faithful to truth.
If only you could hear the Spirit.
Nick this is why everyone here has a problem with you. You repeat this narrative that you have this spirit (which could be any spirit by the way) and no one else has it. Thus you proclaim to be the truth bearer and we must submit or suffer accusation. It is humorous, but it is quite serious too Nick.
When we are born from above we have the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. That spirit produces fruit in our lives like love. John teaches us that if we are born from above we will love because God himself is love. If we are sons of God we love if we do not love, then we are not sons.
We also know that there is a person mentioned in scripture who accuses the servants of God day and night and it is not hard to realise that his servants have his nature. Need I say anymore. Is it not time to get our lives right? Time is short for all of us. Best to sort out these kinds of issues while we are in this body rather than take them with us to be judged by God when we can do nothing about them. The more we can judge ourselves and sort things out the better it will be for us on that day. Take my advice or reject it. That is your decision to make.
Hi T8,
Full of advice but cannot hear.
Wanting to be a leader of men but still lost in confusion.
Same old same old.
So you reply with more accusations.
You are free to believe you have this spirit that leads you to deny that Jesus wasn’t born the Christ. But don’t expect serious people who seek truth to follow you Nick. If you wish to remain in this state till that day, then it is your life. As for me, I will carry on believing what is clearly written in scripture without having to add to it.
Hi T8,
Denying the anointing at the Jordan but self confident enough to suggest that those who disagree are deceived?
Seems a lonely path. Surely you can find one person to support your private interpretation?
Hi Princess,
Ezekiel 47.3
When the man went out towards the east with a line in his hand, he measured 1000 cubits,
and he led me through the water, water reaching the ankles.
Again he measured 1000 cubits and led me through the water, water reaching the knees.
Again he measured 1000, and led me through the water, water reaching the loins.
Again he measured 1000; and it was a river that I could not ford, for the water had risen,
enough water to swim in, a river that could not be forded.
The waters of the Spirit have to be submitted to as we must trust God to save us.
The wind blows where it will..
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