The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

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  • #835933
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    You insult God as you do not discern the difference between the Creator and the created as spirit.

     

    #835934
     Anthony 
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    Hi TC

    You seem to think that you have it all now? But you don’t. Paul even struggled with the flesh and the Spirit, knowing to do good but He doesn’t , Paul is dieing to self, He not perfect yet, He has just a down payment of His inheritance. He has to go the way of suffering,the way of the cross,. Now I know how you believe that Christ and man doesn’t die completely you say the spirit and mind goes back to the Father at death. Apparently you don’t see that the spirit of man and the soul of ma is part of the flesh= (body).Now Paul speaks of body soul and spirit as one. You separate them. He received the Spirit of God at conversion like we do, born again, and we have to die to self, the way of the cross. The Spirit of God is different than the spirit of man, it is the Spirit of the Father and His Son, (not a person).the spirit of man which we got from Adam is against God. So to my point if the spirit of man and the soul of man and His body is one whole man. Scripture says we sin in all three parts  and the wages of sin is death, as Jesus’s done the same for the sins of the whole world that alot of sin, place on Him for us. How could we get Atonement for our sins. Which we couldn’t, and if so why even read the Bible and be online talking about it all.                God bless

     

    #835935
     Anthony 
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    TC

    Are you following me?

    If Jesus Christ die in all three parts body soul and spirit, like we do. How could we get  salvation? we couldn’t it would all be in vain, nothing . Think about it. What you believe in is a lie. God bless

     

    #835936
     Anthony 
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    TC  I meant if Jesus didn’t die in all three parts , it’s all  in vain. You believe in some type of immortal spirit ,mind, sound confusing. Your teaching is part of mystery Babylon.

    #835937
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Jesus died when his human spirit, from the breath of God, left him at Calvary.

    Lk 24.46

    And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice said

    ”Father, into Thy hands I commit my spirit”

    And having said this , he breathed his last.

    Jn 19.30

    When Jesus therefore had received the sour wine, he said

    ”It is finished”

    And he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

    Mt 26.50

    And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.

     

    1 Peter 3.18

    Christ…having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;

     

    Death is swallowed up in victory.

    The Spirit gives eternal life which breath of God will not do.

     

    #835938
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony…..Christ was crucified in the flesh and was made alive through the SPIRIT in the flesh.  HE BECAME A LIVING SOUL AGAIN, the same thing happens to us, when we die. We are resurected in the flesh by the same spirit, that raised Jesus from the dead.  No one ounce of difference.

    All who believe we become spirit “beings” of somekind are false teachers, because no such thing exists.  Imo.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #835939
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….. You misquoted 1 Peter 3:18…….”FOR CHRIST ALSO HAS ONCE SUFFERED FOR SINS, THE JUST FOR THE UNJUST, THAT  HE MIGHT BRING US TO GOD, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened “BY” the Spirit”.

    Where do you see brought back to life “in” spirit at?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #835940
     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene and Nick

    My point is:  Paul speaks of man as being body ,soul and spirit. Paul also says that man sins in body, soul and spirit. Jesus would have to have died to  all three parts of man, body ,soul and spirit. Which He did. If He didn’t there be no Atonement for man’s sins, there be no Salvation. If TC is right that the spirit and mind goes part to God at death we would have no Salvation.

    What returns back to God is the Spirit of life the breath of God, it’s not man’s spirit, soul and mind as TC says goes back to God at death, it’s the breath of God, life that goes back to God. Our spirit, soul and body that’s against God, that sins goes to the grave, dead Till the resurrection when the Spirit of God, the breath of God makes us live again. The wages of sin is death. Jesus needed to die for all sins. Does that help clarify. God bless

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     Dig4truth 
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    #835942
     Dig4truth 
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    Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
    From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
    His goings forth are from long ago,
    From the days of eternity.”

     

     

    #835943
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony……A LIVING SOUL consists of two things, a body from the dust of the earth, with the breath of life in it. Nothing more or less makes up a living  Soul according to scriptures, but you are right concerning Jesus death ,it was the complete Jesus that died, not just part of him. His complete SOUL WAS DEAD, just as he said , ” I WAS “DEAD”, and now am alive for ever more.   He did not say just part of him was dead, but all of him was dead, and the spirit of God resurected him and his soul is now alive forever more.  The same thing applies to us, if the SPIRIT OF HIM WHO RAISED JESUS CHRIST from the DEAD, dwell in you “HE” who raised JESUS from the dead will also quicken our MORTAL BODIES .  Just that simple, no “mystery religious” concepts are needed, JESUS WAS TRULY DEAD AS DEAD CAN GET, OR JESUS WAS LYING WHEN HE SAID HE WAS “DEAD”.  I believe Jesus was telling the truth.  At least Anthony you believe that and we have that in common.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #835944
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Dig4,

    Indeed the Spirit of Christ is from eternity.

    The Word that was with God in the beginning was made flesh at the Jordan and dwelt among us.

    #835945
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    What is it that you misunderstand about 1Peter 3?

    Do you not agree that Jesus died and then was made alive IN THE SPIRIT?

    #835946
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    Where does Paul say that man sins in BODY, SOUL AND SPIRIT?

    #835947
     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene and Nick

    Yes Gene I realize that man became a living soul from the breath of God. At the same time I also realize the Paul speaks of man as body, soul and spirit, it seems that He recognize that man has His on spirit. And that man’s spirit sins. The Spirit of God doesn’t sin.

    These scriptures show that Christ Jesus was indeed just like any other human who ever lived on earth. This means that when He became flesh (John 1:14), <sup class=”versenum”>14 </sup>And the ok Word became flesh, and <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; color: #000000; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-26059a” data-link=”[a]”>[a]</sup>dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; color: #000000; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-26059b” data-link=”[b]”>[b]</sup>the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth .   He assumed the tripartite nature of all human beings: He had a body, a soul, and a spirit. The Bible refers,

    • to His body (John 2:21),<sup class=”versenum”>21 </sup>But He was speaking of the <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; color: #000000; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-26117a” data-link=”[a]”>[a]</sup>temple of His body.
    • to His soul (John 12:27),<sup class=”versenum”>27 </sup>“Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. and
    • to His spirit (Mark 8:12).<sup class=”versenum”>12 </sup>Sighing deeply <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px; color: #000000; font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-24513a” data-link=”[a]”>[a]</sup>in His spirit, He *said, <span class=”woj”>“Why does this generation seek for a <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-24513b” data-link=”[b]”>[b]</sup>sign? Truly I say to you, <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-24513c” data-link=”[c]”>[c]</sup>no <sup class=”footnote” style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;” data-fn=”#fen-NASB-24513d” data-link=”[d]”>[d]</sup>sign will be given to this generation.”</span>

    Christ Jesus represented the full and whole nature of man.
    <p dir=”ltr”><span dir=”ltr”><b dir=”ltr”>the wages of sin is death”</b></span> (Romans 6:26). That is why humans die. They are sinful in body, in soul, and in spirit.</p>
    We, as human beings, are composed of three living parts. We are body. We are soul. And we are spirit. Paul put it this way:

    <span><b dir=”ltr”>1 Thessalonians 5:23 “The very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole <u dir=”ltr”>spirit</u> and <u dir=”ltr”>soul</u> and <u dir=”ltr”>body</u> be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord </b></span>

    <span dir=”ltr”><b dir=”ltr”>the soul that sins, it shall die”</b></span>(Ezekiel 18:4, 20). Jesus said the “soul” could even be <u dir=”ltr”>destroyed</u> by God: <span dir=”ltr”><b dir=”ltr”>”Fear him</b></span> [God] <span dir=”ltr”><b dir=”ltr”>which is able to destroy both soul and body in <i dir=”ltr”><u dir=”ltr”>hades</u></i></b></span> [the unseen world, the grave]<span dir=”ltr”><b dir=”ltr”>”</b></span> (Matthew 10:28).

    <p dir=”ltr”>2 Corinthians 7:1.<span dir=”ltr”><b dir=”ltr”>”Dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh <i dir=”ltr”><u dir=”ltr”>and</u></i><u dir=”ltr”> SPIRIT</u>.”</b></span> This clearly shows that even our spirits can sin.</p>
    <p dir=”ltr”>My point is that there nothing that goes back to God at death, other then the breath of God / His Spirit which is life. And to say that it does is some type of Immortality of the soul, spirit and mind as TC believes, to me what He teaches is confusing, I don’t really don’t know if He is saying spirit ,soul or mind goes back to God. I was addressing TC with this post. What ever He say goes back to God other then the breath of God, is beliving in, that man as   Immortality.  I hope this clarifies what I mean. God bless.</p>

    #835948
     Anthony 
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    Gene and Nick I hope you can make that post put, I’m doing this with my phone, it messes up from time to time. I’m going to get a computer this month, then imgI’m go to have to use it.lol. But any ways. If this is true that anything goes back to God other then the breath of God. There would be no Atonement for sins. Nothing.  God bless

    #835949
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Anthony  2 Cor 7:1 does not say that,  the word soul is not there.

    You must have meant 1 Ths 5:23 , the word spirit their means breath and the word soul comes from the word breath, so what Paul was saying was the complete body which includes your rational you, which is  spirit, another words the complete you.

    When spirit leaves a person what remains is the you, a body with the breath of life in it, and without the you body with the breath of life in it, the you no longer exists. Spirits never die, but the spirits are not you they dwell “in” you, you are what dies and when that happens there is no more you left, you have parishes for ever , you have no connection to life anymore when you die, you complete thoughts parish, you exist no more, untill God the Father by his spirit,  resurects you a body and adds back into it the breath of life and then you become a living soul again.

    Simple as that Anthony.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #835950
     Anthony 
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    Hi Gene

    Must of been hard to read it my phone messed up, it’s hard to do this with a phone. I’m hettget a computer this month, Ithink I’m going to stop posting for now. I’m going to g to send some of that post again, just to make sure you got it some what right. It’s a old teaching from Ernest Martin.

    The truth is, the dead are now dead because they have all been sinners and “the wages of sin is death”(Romans 6:26). That is why humans die. They are sinful in body, in soul, and in spirit.

    We, as human beings, are composed of three living parts. We are body. We are soul. And we are spirit. Paul put it this way:

    “The very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spiritand soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus.”

    • 1 Thessalonians 5:23

    This tripartite nature of human existence can be sinful and this threefold composition will suffer death as a result of that sinfulness.

    We know that the body can be destroyed, but what does God say about the “soul.” The Bible says: “the soul that sins, it shall die”(Ezekiel 18:4, 20). Jesus said the “soul” could even be destroyed by God: “Fear him [God] which is able to destroy both soul and body in hades [the unseen world, the grave] (Matthew 10:28). Again, I do not apologize for repeatingthese vital facts.

    But it goes further than that. What about the “spirit”? Many people believe the spirit can never see death. Can the “spirit” in man be destroyed? Can it also die? Can the “spirit” be extinguished so that the full tripartite nature of man (body, soul, and spirit) becomes dead and thoroughly inactive? The scriptural answer is YES. How is this possible? It is because the spirits of humans can be as sinful and filthy as our bodies and our souls. Is it possible for the spirits of humans to be full of sin? Absolutely. Look at Paul’s teaching in 2 Corinthians 7:1.“Dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and SPIRIT.” This clearly shows that even our spirits are also tainted with sin.

    Have you not read about:

    • “the spirit of error”(1 John 4:6),
    • “the spirit of divination” (Acts 16:16),
    • “the spirit of fear” (2 Timothy 1:7),
    • “the spirit of slumber [laziness]” (Romans 11:8),
    • “the spirit of jealousy” (Numbers 5:14, 30),
    • “the spirit of whoredoms” (Hosea 4:12; 5:4),
    • those who have “a perverse spirit”(Isaiah 19:14)? 7

    If anyone has the slightest spirit of sin or error on his or her spirit, that spirit, along with the body and soul, will die because “the wages of sin is death”(Romans 6:26). This applies to our bodies. This applies to our souls. This also applies to our spirits. Indeed, it simply means that all faculties of humans will die. Tell me what you think. K. God bless

    #835951
     Anthony 
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    Gene

    I think it’s right on. God bless

    #835952
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    We follow Jesus, the firstborn from the dead.

    The Spirit given to him gave life to his mortal body after his death.

     

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