The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    They live in heaven? Where does scripture say men inherit the throne of God?

    No they are in spiritual unity with the Lord Jesus in heaven.

    The meek shall inherit the earth and they rest in the earth till the return of King Jesus.

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     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick:

    You: They live in heaven? Where does scripture say men inherit the throne of God?
    No they are in spiritual unity with the Lord Jesus in heaven.
    The meek shall inherit the earth and they rest in the earth till the return of King Jesus.

     

    Me:

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    Me: I have repeatedly said throughout all my posts related to what we are addressing that the saints are now in heaven under the altar, not on the throne of God. The term “them that dwell on the earth” in verse 10 more than that they are not on the earth at this time.  Their spiritual essence is in heaven.  The Greek word for “rest” does not suggest they are dead at all.

    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Me: This happens when Christ returns to the earth.

     

    Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Me: Kings have thrones.

     

    Rev 21:3 (NKJV) And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

    Me: Our heavenly Father, Christ, and all the saints will establish the kingdom of God here on earth. The meek shall inherit the earth under our heavenly father.

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     Truthcomber 
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    Gene:

     

    You: 
    TC…..AMAZING see how you have shifted the “IMAGE” OF JESUS FROM A MAN INTO to a GOD, IN YOUR false rendering of him. You have changed the anointed one into the GOD who created him, you preach exactly what the fallen church of 2 ths 2 TAUGHT. You have taken a man Jesus the “anointed” one and have turned the “IMAGE” OF HIM INTO A GOD, WHO YOU WORSHIP AND PROCLAIM AS YOUR GOD,

    Me: I have proved my case with scriptures. The Word is the spiritual image of God and thus is God (John 1:1, John 14:7). The Word was born into or became one  with the human seed of David as the Son of God and the son of man (John 1:14). God was in Christ as the Word of God.  The temple of God is the human Christ together with his saints.

    Rev 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns (the saints form one temple with him. He [a]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

     

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     Truthcomber 
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    Gene:

    You: We Are not spirits, nor is Jesus, even though a spirit is in us that does not make us spirits. Jesus clearly said after his resurrection he was not a spirit, saying for , “a Spirit has not flesh and bone as you see I have”. So to you the Son of Man does not return to this earth as a man, but a spirit does, seeming he is a spirit being now, right?

    Me: Wrong!!!

    You: Scripture nor Jesus do not agree with you at all.

    Me: Wrong Again!!!

    Me: First of all, God is spirit. The Word of God in Christ is spirit, because the Word is God (John 1:1). We are made in the image of God (Gen 1:27). And that image is Christ (Col 1:15,). We are primarily spirits.  Spirits as individuals are the minds of a  spirit.  God’s spirit is omnipresent, everywhere.  His mind is in heaven (Eph 4:23, Romans 8:27).  Our minds are spirit beings.  It is our essence.  God gives every seed a body.  The infant minds of our essence are seeds.   Our bodies are the temples thereof.  We are our minds (spirits) and temples.

    1 Cor 15:21 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam _____ a life-giving spirit.

    Me: Christ did not become a spirit.  He was that already.  He became a life giving spirit.  If we are to  be translated into the kingdom of the image of God, we will be primarily minds of the holy spirit with the human heart of Christ in us.  Also,  Our bodies of the holy spirit are of the temple of the holy spirit. It is not the essence of who we are, but a visible manifestation of the glory in us. We do not have the same body of the human spirit as we will of the holy spirit.  The holy spirit starts off as the seed of our new bodies (1 Cor 15:35-38). 

    Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    Me: This glory we receive is spiritual and not visible. For God is invisible; no one has seen God nor can see him (or comprehend him).
    The temple of God is visible. The manifestation of the glory of God is shown in the temple.

     

    Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

    Me: The Word is the mechanism of how God reveals himself and is God.   The temple is the human Christ. It is the clothing of God and his Word, one and the same being.   It has the heart and mind of the man Christ in it.

    The disciples of Christ knew that we resurrect as spirit (minds of the holy spirit) first and then receive our new bodies.  When Christ had resurrected from the dead, he still had a human body.  It wasn’t until he had ascended into heaven that he became the bright morning star.  The righteous shall shine like the stars in heaven.  They will not be bloodless zombies with no blood in them.  What a shameful rendering and twisting of the pure and wonderful future of man into a sewer interpretation of God’s glorious gospel.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    TC…..You make Jesus as himself out to be the anointing spirit he recieved.  Jesus was an ordinary human being who himself recieved the anointing from God the Father at the Jordan river, and then became a “spiritual” son of  God. Then the word who is God came to dwell in him, and spoke to us through the man Jesus.  Just as he did the prophets.  Jesus plainly said he could do “nothing” of himself, that it was the Father that was in him doing the works.

    I have no problem with the concept of GOD THE FATHER BEING “IN” JESUS, THAT’S A GIVEN TO ME.  What bothers me is when people take what the Father was doing “in” Jesus and make it out to be what Jesus himself was doing.  When people do that they shift the glory from the Father to Jesus.  When GOD SAID HE GIVES HIS GLORY TO NO MAN. Jesus never did that only false teachers do that.

    You say “Christ” is the temple of God, wrong JESUS’ BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF GOD, the same applies to us,

    1 Cor 6:19….What know you not that YOU BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT which is “in” you, which you have of God, and you are not your own.

    You say Jesus “is” the word,  as if he really was God’s word, which then would make him God, but scripture says  “he is called” that is a title aforded him,  because he speaks the Fathers words to us, but none of that makes Jesus himself the word of God.  God and his words are one and the same, just as you and your words are.

    You also take the book of revelations which is highely symbolic, to be literal. The souls under the alter is symbolic language.  A SOUL IS A BODY WITH THE BREATH OF LIFE IN IT.   According to Genesis 2:7  when the body dies that living soul, no longer exists.  As many scriptures say. Without a physical resurection back to life, there exists no living soul.

    When we die our “only” Our hope is in the resurection, that as Paul says will witness the redemption of out BODIES.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #835899
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    Yes you have accepted the false worldly teaching that the inheritance of men is heaven.

    You do not understand that those in Christ Jesus are already seated with him in heavenly places.

    That is how close men can come to living in heaven. And the inheritance of the blessed saints is the earth.

    Eph 2.6

    1peter.1.4

    Lk19.12-27

    #835900
     Anthony 
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    Hi Nick

    Wow I agree Nick how did this happen? Good job Nick. God bless

     

    #835901
     Anthony 
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    Hi Nick

    Why can’t you see Unaversal        Salvation ?

    When God SPEAKS, OR SAYS, OR DECLARES, OR WILLS, OR WISHES, OR DESIRES a future goal, IT WILL COME TO PASS. Who are we to deny God’s declarations?

    “Look unto me, and BE YE SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH FOR I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE. I HAVE SWORN BY MYSELF, THE WORD IS DONE OUT OF MY MOUTH IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND SHALL NOT RETURN. That unto ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, EVERY TONGUE SHALL SWEAR” (Isaiah 45:22-23)!!! 

    “Remember the former things of old: for I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE; I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE LIKE ME. DECLARING the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are NOT YET DONE [‘I will also give thee for a light to the GENTILES, that thou mayest be MY SALVATION UNTO THE END OF THE EARTH’!!! It is yet coming Isa. 49:6] saying, MY COUNSEL SHALL STAND, AND I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE:  Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I HAVE SPOKEN IT [as in I Tim. 2:4!], I WILL ALSO BRING IT TO PASS:  I HAVE PURPOSED IT, I WILLALSO DO IT” (ISa. 46:5-11)!!!

    Nick You need a real change of heart regarding you Creator and His Word!        God bless

    #835907
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    I do not need your Universal Salvation delusion.

    The Son of God suffered and died that I might live.

    #835909
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    Indeed kings have thrones and they are on earth as Lk 19.12 f , Rev 20.4f and 2 Tim 2 2.12 show.

    Already we can approach the throne of Grace, but we are not in heaven.

    #835912
     GeneBalthrop 
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    TC……The LORD’S prayer says, ” OUR FATHER, which art in heaven, holy is they name, thy kingdom “COME” thy will be done  “ON EARTH”,  as in heaven.

    When we die we do not go to heaven as you falsely preach, we return to the dust from whence we came, and the spirit returns to him who gave it, (GOD),  Our heavenly Father.

    The dead KNOW NOTHING, in the day they die their ‘THOUGHTS” parish.  They are dead! , and they stay “DEAD” until the resurection takes place and then the body with the spirit of life in it is recreated and the man becomes a living SOUL again.

    Our hope is in the resurection from the state of the dead, as was Jesus hope, and he was raised by the spirit of God to everlasting life which he now has, he is a living SOUL again.  Just as he said, “I WAS “DEAD” AND AM ALIVE for evermore.

    He was not lying he was dead, just as he said he was , just like we are when we die, and he was raised back to life by THE SPIRIT OF GOD, EXACTLY AS WE CAN BE.  Just as it says,  “if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the “DEAD” dwell “in” you, he that raised him from the dead,  shall “ALSO” quicken your mortal BODY” .

     

    What took place with Jesus can ALSO take place with us.  I DO NOT “SEPERATE” MY HUMANITY FROM THE “LIKENESS” OF JESUS.  “AS HE IS SO ARE WE”. God who raised him from the dead, can in the same way raise us up also.  For our hope is in a resurection that will witness the redemption of our body. Just as it was with Jesus, and as  Paul said.

    Spirits without a bodies go about in “arid” places seeking rest,  according to Jesus.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #835913
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    The Living Spirit dwelled in Jesus just as it can dwell in those given the Spirit if they allow the Spirit to lead them.

    After his death alive in the Spirit Jesus visited the spirits in prison from the time of Noah. 1peter 3

    Even in death the Spirit continually abides forever in the sons of God.

     

    Those who have passed over from death to life will be raised by His Spirit in them at his return.

    Get over mere bodies and mortality and understand immortality.

    #835914
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    The Spirit of Man is recreated?

    Inventive Nonsense.

     

    Those who are alive in the Spirit of God have no need for their original life source.

     

    #835915
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Mt 12.43

    Now when an UNCLEAN SPIRIT goes out of a man,

    it passes through waterless places, seeking rest and does not find it.

     

    Do you confuse UNCLEAN SPIRITS with the spirit of a man from the breath of God?

    Who can take you seriously when you are so careless with truth?

     

    #835920
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….All spirits need a body to live in,  otherwise there would be no need for a “BODY” at all.  Why would God the Father  even resurect physical bodies, if they were not needed for him who is Spirit and our spirits to dwell in forever.

    No scripture that I know of says spirits are bodies of anykind.  Jesus described the spirit as a force that we can’t see but we can see the effects of a spirit in a person.  GOD WHO IS SPIRIT, habits in and through his physical creation.  OR haven’t  you read ” that God maybe “in” all and “through” all”.

    Rather a spirit is a clean spirit or evil spirit the same thing applies because they both are spirits, Jesus made no destinction between them,  that I know off.  Scripture says “spirit begets spirit” , and flesh begets flesh.  A spirit needs a house to dwell “In”. That house is our bodies.  As Paul said “know you not that you BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WHICH WE HAVE FROM GOD.”

    NICK your rendering of live spirits “beings” with out bodies is wrong, even angels have bodies ,  as attested in scriptures. They even have food they eat called manna.

    Nick can you tell us what a spirit body looks like, if there is such a thing. Please show me a scripture that describes a spirit being wit out a body.  God did not create our bodies to be thrown away forever and then have us drifting around as spirit of anykind.  He created man to live forever in the bodies he has given us, and will resurect a exact same body as Jesus had at his reserection. There is no dumping the resurected body we recieve, nor did Jesus dump his body either. Produce a single scripture that says Jesus dumped his body of flesh and bone at any time ever. Scripture please.

    Your speculating Nick,  no scripture backs you up brother. IMO , at least none I have ever seen.

    Perhaps there is one I have missed, please show me and enlighten me.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    The Spirit of God is Holy.

    Do you yet grasp that the Spirit of God is not to be confused with other spirits?

     

    If not go back to the beginning.

     

    #835929
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick…..spirit is spirit, no matter what kind or type it is, it is still spirit,  all spirit is spirit, as it say spirit begets spirit, just as flesh begets flesh.

    There is a spirit realm and there  is a physical realm, and as you and I and everyone else are different from each other, but still human physical being,  so spirits are spirit,  they are of the same substence but different  kinds.  If I say the spirit is a unclean spirit, or say it is a clean spirit, or a spirit of a sound mind, or spirit of wisdom ect, it makes no difference it is still spirit, and can animate the bodies they reside in, either for good or evil.  What TC said about us being spirits is true to a point, but our living “souls” are BODIES WITH THE BREATH OF LIFE IN THEM. GOD said if he were to withdraw his spirit from man all would die. The body can not function without spirit in it, neither can a SOUL LIVE without the breath of life in it.

    So when we are born we are living souls who are alive at berth,  but know nothing, as all babies are, as we grow our living Souls are feed both food for the body and also spritual knowledge from our environment, we then begin to learn things from the spirits,    both clean and unclean, good and evil which give us our cognasity about life, and when God gives us the spirit (cognisity) of truth, called the spirit of truth,  we are able to make truthful destination of what is right and what is wrong.

    We are all a work in progress, we are being taught by God, as Jesus said, “you shall all be taught by God”.  Mankind is the Crown Jewel of God the Fathers creation, there is no higher creation then mankind, That is why he has put “ALL” things under the foot of man, “and in that he say “ALL” THINGS, there is nothing that is not under the foot of Man.”

    We will even judge the Angels, as it says “know you not that you shall judge ANGELS?”

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Where did God say that if He withdrew His SPIRIT from men all would die?

    Where did He say all men have His Spirit?

    Basic stuff.

    #835931
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Jb 34.14

    If He should determine to do so, if He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,

    all flesh would perish together, and man would return to dust.

    Gen 2.7

    Then the Lord God formed man of dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE;

    and man became a living being.

    Jb 33.4

    The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

     

    Not the same.

    All flesh is of the breath of God.

     

    Few know His Spirit.

    #835932
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….You gave the answer to you own question, and I never said all spirit was the same spirit, just as all flesh is not the same flesh,  and I know not all have the “holy” (special) spirit from God the Father “in” them, that was not what I was addressing, I have always said spirits come in different types and kind, as does flesh things, but spirit is spirit no matter what kind or type it is.

    My point was flesh is flesh, just as spirit is spirit, no matter what type or kind it is.  Spirit dosen’t change from being spirit because it is a different type or kind, it’s still spirit brother. They greatly effect the minds of the bodies they dwell in,   you already know this I am sure.

    Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene

     

     

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