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Hi Jodi,
People are not just ANOINTED WITH GIFTS. ‘for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable ‘Rom 11.29
The Holy Spirit brings gifts appropriate to the role of those reborn into the Body of Christ.
Seek ye first the kingdom and all these things will be added to you.
Hi Jodi,
Not fully anointed and not fully led?
Where does this theory come from? Men?
If your doctrines are from men you will share their fate.
We know that Jesus was given the Spirit without measure but we have been given access to more as well.
In fact we MUST SEEK IT or we will lose the Dina of it were were given at rebirth.
Ask, Seek, Knock are not suggestions but commands.
For ground that drinks the rain which ten falls on it and brings forth vegetation
useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled receives a blessing from God. Heb 6.7
To all….Unto each is given A “MEASURE” OF “FAITH”. many of those who began with little faith, ended up with great faith, Like Peter, Steven,.. We are told ” to grow in knowledge and Faith”
Rom 12:3…..For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God has dealt to every man the “MEASURE” OF FAITH.
Eph 4:11-13….And he gave some apostles; and some prophets; and some, evangelist; and some pastors and teachers; 12….For the perfecting of the Saint’, for the work of the ministry, for edifying of the body of Christ. : 13 Till we all come in the unity of “THE FAITH” , and of the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ or (the anointed one).
Luk12:27-28……Consider the lilies “how they grow”, they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28,…if then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more you, “O YE OF LITTLE FAITH”
IT’S ALL ABOUT FAITH, and remenber “unto little is given, little is required, unto much is given much is requited”. Some times I fear and trimble, knowing all the things God has done in my life and things he has shown me, and how many time I have failed to do what is pleasing to him, May his mercy and grace continue.
Peace and love to you all and yours……..gene
The anointing of Jesus was a transforming event.
Yes the baptism of Jesus the messiah was certainly a big event and the start of the greatest ministry to men ever.
Good Morning t8,
The baptism you say was “certainly a big event”.
The baptism fulfilled prophecy, the baptism Jesus said to John had to occur in order to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS. Isaiah tells us a SERVANT would be anointed with God’s Spirit and that anointing was a CALL to righteousness (Christ = anointed). That anointing that Jesus said he received and then was SENT out into the world because of, had to occur in order for Jesus to become PERFECTED, and Jesus had to BECOME perfected in order to be our SAVIOR.
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
PROPHECY in the OT told us that there would be a savior from the line of David, from the city of David.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Our savior is the man who died on the cross and by his stripes we are healed, he was wounded and put to death for our transgressions.
We are not SAVED by the birth of the infant, but the infant would grow and BECOME one day our savior that day was when he died on the cross, and before he fulfilled being our savior, the infant born in the city of David would have to one day fulfill other prophecies before fulfilling his death on the cross.
The infant Jesus was the person of PROPHECY, that PROPHECY meant the child BORN would BE a savior, and we are told “a Savior WHICH is Christ the master”.
The infant was not born a MASTER over anyone, nor was he born having been anointed with the full measure of the Spirit making him the Christ, that happened at the time of his baptism.
You are denying Isaiah’s prophecy, that a servant would be anointed with God’s Spirit and be called to righteousness, the child Jesus BECAME that servant, he grew and at around the age of 30 the servant BECAME the Christ.
Jesus says in Luke 4 that God has ANOINTED him and SENT him out, he is going to fulfill the covenant God made with Israel and also be a light for the Gentiles, he was going to be after his anointing a savior. Simeon lifted up the infant and also spoke prophecy of him, as DID the ANGEL in Luke 2:11, Simeon said that he saw the salvation of God, he saw the covenant of his people and the light to the Gentiles going to be fulfilled.
t8 the day Jesus was born was a big event, as the child born was the human of the prophecies given to Abraham, David, and Isaiah. Significant prophecy was fulfilled at the baptism of Jesus as it was that day that Jesus became the Christ, the Son of God, being born of the Spirit with all measure and power of that Spirit, being the ONLY human begotten by God, RECEIVING the GLORY that God had said in Isaiah that God would not give to another.
God gave it NOT to an infant ACCORDING to PROPHECY, NOT when the infant was born, or when the infant was conceived, it was given to a SERVANT when this servant was about the age of 30, and it was a CALL to fulfill ALL righteousness. In order to be a lamb without spot or blemish this anointed servant, Jesus who was MADE the Christ at his baptism, he had to be PERFECTED, which occurred by his wounds, his bruises, his stripes, and his death, where he proved he could follow God’s will even unto death.
Luke 2:10-11 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; 11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Born a Savior!
Hi Dig4truth Yes the infant was born the person of the prophecies of the OT, where he would DIE for your sins and be your savior.
YHWH is actually our savior, through HIS anointed, the human who He placed His Spirit upon without measure at the river upon his baptism. A servant from among the people, of the tribe of Judah YHWH placed His Spirit upon and brought him into perfection through suffering. Jesus the anointed BECAME the lamb without spot or blemish, so that the lamb could be the pure sacrifice for our sins, and THUS OUR SAVIOR.
today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Not “will be” but “has been” born a Savior.
Who “is” the Messiah, not “will become”.
Who “is” the LORD.
John 1:15 John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”
Dig4truth. ….Well then who was saved by Jesus at his berth., seening you believe he was “aleady” a savior at berth, please list just one person he ever had saved at berth, surely you can right? Notice how the angel said it, there is “born” a savior, thats a prophetic statement, looking to a futube event. If we say a royal couple has a son, and we say a king is born , does that mean he is already a king, no, it does not . He is to become a king is the right perception of that statement.
You prexistingers, use every trick in the book to destory the truth. NO JUSES WAS NOT A SAVIOR AT BERTH, HE BECAME THAT, THROUGH THE EFFECTUAL WORKING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT HE RECIEVED AFTER HIS BAPTIZM AT THE JORDAN.
JESUS did not prexist John the baptists “berth”, but he did prexist him in importance and in prophecy he was mentioned before john, and even before ABRAHAM, but not as anykind of sentinel or living being, that is just trinitarian trash, another deception many have sowolled . Have you?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Gene, will you then admit that either no one was saved before Yeshua’s birth, death and resurrection or that there is another way of salvation?
Nick, are you arguing that Yeshua did not exist in the flesh before He was born? That’s a no-brainier. Or are you arguing that He did not exist at all before He was born in the flesh?
Hi Dig4truth,
Sounds like you are pretty much reading Luke 2 and other verses without knowledge of OT prophecy which must be applied in order to correctly understand them.
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Christ the Lord is the SAVIOR, our savior is the MAN who died on the cross as the lamb without spot or blemish.
FACT the infant born was the person who would fulfill many prophecies given in the OT, and which were established by God before He even made the world. The infant born is the person of the prophecy Isaiah gave which tells us of a SERVANT that God was well pleased with that God would anoint from out of his brethren calling this servant into righteousness giving him the glory of God, of which God would not give to another. This glory is GIVEN to a servant, it is an anointing of a man.
FACT the infant born was NOT PERFECT, he became perfected through suffering, and through that perfecting caused by God, he was able to be YOUR SAVIOR.
FACT we are not saved by the birth of an infant.
FACT Jesus tells John that he had to be baptized in order to fulfill ALL righteousness, and we are told that the SERVANT was anointed with God’s Spirit and CALLED through that anointing INTO righteousness.
The infant sucking his mother’s breasts not able to walk or talk was not a master over anyone.
FACT upon the anointing of Jesus he was SENT out into the world and spoke God’s word with authority. He had all power of the Spirit given to him upon his baptism, he could even raise the dead.
FACT the Bread of Life that came from heaven (came from God) we are told is the FLESH of Jesus, not some pre-existing son, or some god that came down to heaven, WE ARE TOLD DIRECTLY BY JESUS that it is HIS FLESH, not just any flesh, he was speaking of anointed flesh without measure and with power. FLESH like that of a lamb without spot or blemish, perfected upon denying the will of man and following the will of God unto death, proving unrelenting Faith in the One True God.
One should read and establish their understanding to all scripture through prophecy, which is the word of God.
Before God made the world the man Jesus was planned, he WAS appointed before ALL, before John, before David, and Abraham. David called his future descendant lord, his master, he did this because Jesus would be firstborn of the dead and be appointed king of kings and lord of lords, his RANK would be BEFORE ALL.
Romans 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, ACCORDING TO the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
John comes to Israel out of the wilderness to teach, Jesus came out of the wilderness to teach AFTER John did, he is first baptized and anointed with the Spirit and then sent into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights and then he returns and quotes Isaiah that he has been anointed and sent out into the world to preach, to heal, to set captives free. John says that Jesus is preferred before him, of course he is as he is the one who God would not give his glory to another to. Jesus is above him in RANK, of which WAS established even before God made the world. John would baptize with water, Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit. Jesus was the savior that would bring eternal life, and he received himself eternal life before all as he is the firstborn of the dead. God had promised before the world was made eternal life. A human that God PERFECTED through His Spirit is our savior fulfilling God’s promise.
Hi Dig4,
Yes.
The son of God was conceived of and in Mary.
Only a superficial reading of prophetic scripture would see a man existing before his conception.
Listen to the Spirit
Hi Jodi,
Here is a summary of what I had presented prior. All words and phrases in the paragraphs are mine to emphasize or to show alternative definitions. The alternative definitions were presented in more detail prior.
The essences according to you
A1.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
In Essence: Dead saints come to life again at the time that Christ returns. Dead bodies are raised incorruptible here on earth and the dead saints live. The alive saints at that time do not die, but their bodies are changed.
A2
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.In Essence: The dead saints come to life again at the seventh trump, not before. Then those alive here on earth do not die but have their bodies changed at that time.
The essences according to me:
B1
Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.In Essence: Saints can be in the third heaven (paradise) with God, with or without a body. That is the percept that we need to focus on.
B2
2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
In Essence: When Christ returns, our bodies to be received are in heaven, not changed here on earthB3
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.Me: When we are absent from the body we are with the Lord. This occurs at our deaths, whether or not at Christ’s return.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
me: The alive of the dust at Christ’s return must die first before they receive new bodies.
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