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Please show me one scripture I have rejected there is none
Hi Gene,
Here is one such Scripture you reject…
“I make a decree, that all they of the people
of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm,
which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem,
go with thee.” (Ezra 7:13)No “Freewill”? …Hogwash!
Edj…..we have been through this before, the word freewill there means in Hebrew to ” Volunteer, there is no word in hebrew as “freewill” in the Hebrew language, it”s simply a person who out of their own desire does something. I do believe we have “freedom” to exercise our desires or Wills, but that is not talking about how the will “itself” works, within us, Another words what is “causing those desires in us?
It’s hard for me to believe you people can’t understand that. Perhaps it’s to deep for your minds to comprehend, that is why I hoped your videos you guys posted could explain it better to you, but evedently that didn’t help you guys either?
Besides there is a complete thread on the Will, in which all of this was covered, this thread has nothing to do with “WILL’S.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Proclaimer. ……having the devine “nature” “In” us, is not saying we are a Devine “BEING”, That would mean we are a deity, a God and there for an object of worship. Jesus had the devine nature “in” him also, but that never made himself, a God, now did it?
God the Father words are SPIRIT AND LIFE, and are directly his own words, and his alone, they are not Jesus’ words nor anyone else’s either, just God the Fathers, obey them and you will please The Father, just as Jesus did. WORSHIP GOD THE FATHER “ONLY”, Just as Jesus did.
DON’T worship the “messengers” , worship and obey who sent them.
Proclaimer you have secessufly thrown off it appears, me and Berean’s descussion of Rev 22 : 7-13, you neither participated in it when ask to, but preceed to derail it. This was something I think we could all have benefited from here.
I would have started a complete thread on this but it seem we can’t start threads anymore. But I tell you it could be an excellent topic to explore.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
It’s hard for me to believe you people can’t understand that. Perhaps it’s to deep for your minds to comprehend, that is why I hoped your videos you guys posted could explain it better to you, but evedently that didn’t help you guys either?
Hilarious. Because if you believed there was no free will, then we wouldn’t have the choice to understand it or not. And you would not be perplexed about us. But obviously you do not rely even on your own theory as to the explanation. You appear to not have that much faith in it otherwise that would be your understanding as to why we do not believe or understand as you say it.
Gene, you have to keep coming up with theories to add to your false teachings. But no matter how much you fortify your building, if the foundation is faulty, the building will still fall down.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carnel……my how hard it is to corner a snake in a bryor patch. , you twist and turn every scripture into you false conclusion everytime you post. Calling others CARNEL, ONLY SHOWS HOW REALLY CARNEL MINDED YOU ARE CARMEL. Sorry to have to say that but it is true.
Can’t you just come up with a simple answer,
ME: DO YOU CONSIDER YOUR QUESTION
A MERE SIMPLE QUESTION?
DIDN’T YOU COMPERE
JESUS WITH ADAM?
YOU: instead of taking us through all your personal renditions of what thing mean?
ME: NOW GENE WITH YOUR REPLY YOU SIMPLY PUT
BLACK ON WHITE THAT YOU LACK AND THAT IS
KNOWLEDGE REGARDING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
JESUS and ADAM!
OF WHICH I HAVE NOT A SINGLE DOUBT!
THE FACT THAT YOU PUT BOTH OF THEM IN THE SAME
BASKET!
YOU: CARMEL….. so when scriptures say “ADAM THE SON OF GOD” that in the way you think means He “is” a God also?
ME: THUS I SIMPLY PRODUCED Gene WHAT YOU IN RELATION TO YOUR BLOCKED MIND, DEAD, WITH EVERY RESPECT, A POST RELATED TO
JESUS’ OVERALL SUPERIORITY OVER ADAM.
SHALL I TELL YOU A MYSTERY Gene? THOUGH YOU DON’T ACCEPT THEM
THE HUMAN RACE WHICH INCLUDES “THE WORD” JESUS THE SON OF MAN, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD, Rev.13:8 ARE
MORE OF EVE THAN
OF ADAM
Genesis 3:15 I will put
enmities (who was this enmity??)
between thee and the woman, and
thy seed and her seed:….
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? NO YOU DON’T I’M AFRAID!
SUNDAY SCHOOL AGAIN!
EVE
IS
THE MOTHER OF ALL
CARNAL MORTAL BEINGS
ADAM
WAS
THE FATHER OF ALL SOULS TO BE PRECISE
A LIVING SOUL
ADAM DIED SPIRITUALLY;
AND LIVED ONLY IN HIS FLESH!
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S OWN WORK, IT IS HIS SPIRIT,
IN “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN
Matthew 4:4 WHICH GIVES LIFE TO ALL HIS WORK
John1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
CAN YOU SEE IN THIS INTRODUCTION THE DIFFERENCE NOW
BETWEEN JESUS and ADAM!
NOW READ A SCRIPTURE AND
BY WHICH SCRIPTURE YOU AND JODI ARE SCREAMING ON HEAVENNET BOTH
AS PROOF THAT JESUS IS GOD’S SERVANT AND ALSO
THAT HE IS NOT DIVINE!
THE SAME SCRIPTURE WHICH CLEARLY DECLARES
JESUS’PRE-EXISTENCE AND HIS DIVINITY!
Isaiah 42:1BEHOLD my servant, I will uphold him: my elect,
Gene THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE IS FUTURE RELATED! A CLEAR REFERENCE TO
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN YET TO BE!
….my SOUL delighteth in HIM:
Gene WHAT THE ABOVE STATEMENT TELLS YOU!
ARE YOU IN THE POSITION TO EXPLAIN,
SO FOR A CHANGE, YOU SHOW ON HEAVENNET THAT
YOU ARE NOT AFTER ALL CARNALLY MINDED AS I AM CONVINCED OF!
…I HAVE GIVEN my spirit upon him,
Gene, THE ABOVE IS THE SAME VERSE AND THE CONTINUATION OF Isaiah 42:1 THE TENSE, IT IS NO LONGER FUTURE RELATED BUT NOTICE IT HAS CHANGED TO
PRESENT PERFECT TENSE!!!
We use the present perfect:
for something that started in the past and
continues in the present:
ARE YOU IN THE POSITION TO EXPlAIN, AGAIN TO CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE NOT CARNALLY MINDED! HENCE
WHEN GOD HAS GIVEN HIS SPIRIT UPON JESUS???
…..he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
AGAIN BACK TO A TENSE FUTURE RELATED!
WHAT KIND OF JUDGEMENT ACCORDING TO YOU AND JODI, THIS ORDINARY JESUS BROUGHT TO THE GENTILES
ON HIS DEATH??
BY WHICH DEATH HE CONFIRMED HIS PRE-EXISTENCE!
THE TRUTH!
SPEAK Gene SPEAK
THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH SPEAKS IN YOU
AND WE ON HEAVENNET CAN CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE NOT CARNALLY MINDED AFTER ALL!!
BUT WATCH IT, Gene, DO NOT EXPECT HIM TO SPEAK
LIES FOR YOU!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..Isa 42 , is a prophetic statement about what God was going to do, not what he was already doing. How Can you “Behold” Something that hasn’t happened yet? I don’t kown anyone who doesn’t know that.
Like I said you seem unable to even give a single scripture without changing something about it. I really don’t see where you get off calling others CARNEL, when you don’t know a prophetic statement from a non prophetic one.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene, you cannot believe that there is no free will and then state anything as being true. Think about it. You do both. Oxymoronic. Funny.
Now, now, Proclaimer, you getting besides yourself. Your letting your “captivated” Will, do its work ““causing” you to react again. There is not one thing you say or do, your “captivated” mind, ISN’T DRIVING , or “CAUSING” you to “WILL” to do. apsolutely ” NOTHING” “FREE’ about it. Your being held “CAPTIVE” BY your very own thoughts, AS WE ALL ARE. That is why we need the “SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD’, to be “IN” us all, forever. SO WHAT IS DRIVING OUR THOUGHTS and therefore our WILL’S, IS OF GOD, NOT OF OURSELVES. We must as Jesus did , PUT OUR “WILLS” to death, and say with Jesus, NOT “MY” WILL”, but “THY” WILL, be done”.
Proclaimer, here is something to think about, “he led “captive” a host of captivity. To me that is saying God through his Spirit, captivates our “thinking”, a “thinking”which we were held captive by. That may be a speculation on my part , but I think that whats it means.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Now, now, Proclaimer, you getting besides yourself. Your letting your “captivated” Will, do its work ““causing” you to react again. There is not one thing you say or do, your “captivated” mind, ISN’T DRIVING , or “CAUSING” you to “WILL” to do. apsolutely ” NOTHING” “FREE’ about it. Your being held “CAPTIVE” BY your very own thoughts, AS WE ALL ARE.
What you describe here is a beast. I am not a beast. You might be and you are trying to convince me. Maybe it is true. I am free to believe you are a beast. Currently I believe you were made in the image of God and thus were created better than that. But if you act like a beast then you are a beast.
Hi Gene,
YOU: Carmel…..Isa 42 , is a prophetic statement about what God was going to do,
ME: Gene, NOT ALL WHAT Isaiah SPOKE IS A PROPHECY. WHAT Isaiah SPOKE WAS A MIXTURE BOTH AS A PROPHECY AND AS A REVELATION.
NOW, HOW CAN ONE DISTINGUISH WHICH IS A PROPHECY, SOMETHING WHICH IS YET TO HAPPEN FROM SOMETHING WHICH IS A REVELATION, IT ALREADY COMMENCED IN THE PAST, IT IS HAPPENING, AND IT CONTINUES
ETERNALLY!
THE TENSE IS THE ONLY KEY TO DISTINGUISH THIS.
NOW LET’S READ
Isaiah 42:1BEHOLD my servant, I will uphold him:
THE ABOVE IS DEFINITELY A PROPHECY SINCE IT IS WRITTEN IN THE FUTURE TENSE.
NOTICE THE COLON!
WHAT IS THE COLON FOR?
LET’S READ THE NEXT STATEMENT:
my elect, my soul delights in him:
THE ABOVE IS IN THE PRESENT TENSE. IT IS NOT A PROPHECY, IT IS A REVELATION, OF WHAT IS OCCURRING, IT HAS BEEN SO IN THE PAST, IT IS SO IN THE PRESENT, AND IT WILL ALSO BE SO IN THE FUTURE. LIKE FOR INSTANT
YOU SLEEP. YOU EAT, YOU WALK, AND SO ON!
BY THE COLON WE ARE AWARE THAT SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT AND IN MORE IN DETAIL IS
TO BE SPOKEN OF.
AND NOT JUST A PROPHECY YET TO HAPPEN.
ISAIAH SIMPLY REVEALED THAT
JESUS, “THE WORD” AS A SPIRIT
IS THE EMBODIMENT OF GOD’S SOUL!
THE CARRIER OF
THE HOLY GHOST. AND IT HAS
BEEN SO RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING! Well asserted by Jesus in
John4:36And he (THE HOLY GHOST) that reapeth receiveth wages,
and gathereth fruit unto life everlasting:
that both he(“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN) that soweth,
and he that reapeth,
may rejoice together. (ON THE CROSS GLORIFIED IN
JESUS CHRIST, GODMAN ON EARTH John13:31-32, John17:1)
37For in this is the saying true:
That it is one man that soweth, and it is another that reapeth.
38I have sent you to reap that in which you did not labour:
others have laboured,
and you have entered into their labours.
THIS SECOND STATEMENT FROM Isaiah ABOVE ENDED ALSO WITH THE COLON, SO THE FOLLOWING IS ALSO NOT JUST A PROPHECY YET TO HAPPEN SINCE IT IS IN THE PRESENT PERFECT AND NOT IN THE FUTURE!
GOD COULD HAVE SAID
I WILL GIVE MY SPIRIT UPON HIM,
IN THE SAME WAY, HE DID SAY :
BEHOLD my servant
I will uphold him
BUT INSTEAD, GOD REVEALED TO US
WHAT HE ACTUALLY COMMENCED IN THE PAST, PRECISELY
IN THE BEGINNING!
GIVEN THE HOLY GHOST UPON JESUS!
SIMPLY TO STRENGTHEN HIM AND ACHIEVES HIS REDEMPTION PROCESS EVEN
SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8
BY WHICH DEED JESUS WAS IN THE POSITION TO POUR AN INFINITESIMAL SPECK OF HIS SPIRIT,
ETERNAL LIFE ENGRAFTED
IN EVERY CREATURE’S HEART.
HE EMPTIED HIMSELF FROM HIS DIVINE SPIRIT AND ENRICHED THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE.
SIMPLY TO BE
BORN
IN ALL THINGS LIKE HUMANS
Peace and love in Jesus Chrsit
Well, Proclaimer, I gess that’s better the being called a worm, like Jacob was called, Or Belsabob and a devil, drunkard, gluttion , bastard, like Jesus was called. But then we do have “freedom” to speak our “captivated” WILL’S, just like the Pharisees did, don’t we?, A, WILL that formed by what’s going around in that brain of your.
You can tell a lot about a person Proclaimer and what has control of them, by whats comming out of there “captivated” minds, causing them to “will” to say what they say. But you wouldn’t know much about that , because you believe your will “itself” is completely “free” and works by somekind of “randam” access, and can’t have any real “influences” of any kind that would “CAUSE” it to react the way it does, because it then would not be “truly” free, now would it?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
YOU: Proclaimer, here is something to think about,
“he led “captive” a host of captivity.
Gene, WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS:
“he led “captive” a host of captivity.
NOW READ OTHER SCRIPTURES
KJV: Ephysians4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high,
he led captivity captive,
and gave gifts unto men.
DRB: Ephysians4:8 Wherefore he saith: Ascending on high,
he led captivity captive;
he gave gifts to men.
NIV: This is why it a says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”
THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES Gene are more than enough to show your
corrupted version.
YOU: To me that is saying God through his Spirit, captivates our “thinking”,
a “thinking”which we were held captive by.
That may be a speculation on my part , but I think that whats it means.
NO Gene, NOT A SPECULATION BUT IT IS THE COMPLETE
OPPOSITE OF
THE TRUTH
YOU ARE SIMPLY PRODUCING
LIES TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST!
A PROOF THAT YOU HAVE
YOUR OWN FREE CORRUPTED WILL!
I’M AFRAID!
Now Gene answer:
WHAT ARE THE GIFTS JESUS GAVE TO MEN,
WHEN HE ASCENDED UP ON HIGH?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…..did you not see where I said “to me”, another’s words I think it means, nowhere did I say I was preaching that as a doctrine of anykind. The only liar here is you trying to make out , that I am teaching that.
But here is one quote in Luke from Isa 61:1 that Jesus quoted and I also, believe backs up what I meant,
Luke 4:18, “the spirit of the LORD is “upon” me, ( why) , because he (God) has “anointed” me, to preach the Gospel to the poor, he sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to “the “CAPTIVES ” , and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are brused, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord. ”
It might help you to read Isa 61:1 all the way through verse 11.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Well, Proclaimer, I gess that’s better the being called a worm, like Jacob was called, Or Belsabob and a devil, drunkard, gluttion , bastard, like Jesus was called.
Gene. A beast has a nature and it does what that nature wants. But God ways are the highest and those born of him are obviously higher than any beast. We can choose, and this is no more exemplified than God putting two trees in the garden right at the beginning and then giving us instruction.
And as Adam and Eve were responsible for their decisions, so are we. Because we are not beasts.
God doesn’t hold a dog accountable for committing adultery. He doesn’t rebuke a lion for killing another lion.
Hi Brigade,
How odd that people just can’t seem to grasp what the bible really teaches!
Of course us receiving God’s divine nature doesn’t make us GOD,
any more than it made Jesus GOD who gives us this divine nature.It instead makes us adopted sons and Jesus the natural born “Son of GOD”
Jesus is far from ordinary, he is not a son of Adam, not having a sin nature!____________
God bless
Ed JSo true Ed J.
They put their trust in a man like Adam.
But we should put our trust in the son of the living God himself. The image of the invisible God and firstborn of all creation.
Proclaimer, if you truly believed what Jesus said, you would do what he said , “this is the greatest commandment, “you shall love the LORD you GOD , WITH “ALL” you heart and with “ALL” your might, ” this is the greatest commandment and the second is like unto it, “you shall love your neighbor as yourself” , on these two “hinge ” ALL” the law and the prophets”.
Have you put Jesus ahead of your God?, many have. I sure hope you haven’t.
Remember what scripture says, Rom 1:21…..”because they (Adam and Eve and the rest) when they knew God did not glorify him as God neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their flooish heart was darkened.
Verse 24……Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lust of their own hearts; to dishonor their own bodies between themselves.
Verse 25…..Who changed the truth of God into a ‘LIE” (making the man Jesus a God) and “Worshipped” and served the creature , (Jesus) More then the ‘CREATOR” , who is blessed forever. Amen . 2THS2.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Gene. Nothing you have said in your previous post is relevant to the discussion here. We will continue to put our trust in the one God sent from Heaven, the firstborn of all creation and the image of the invisible God.
Who are you to demote and redefine Jesus the son of God.
He is now with the Father in the glory he had with him before the universe.
But you were born last century and think you know more than the Biblical writers?
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. – The Bible
It seems your faith might be closer to Islam where Jesus is a prophet and man only.
“Far be it from God that he should have a son!” – The Quran
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