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PROCLAIMER….. there is nothing that Jesus ever did that we can’t do either, nothing, even greater works we can do, then he did. THAT is if you “truly” believe what he said.
And once again, you use scripture to try and debunk other scripture. You are confused. I read about how we are able to do greater works because he went to the Father and in the glory he had with him before the universe. This makes him not ordinary and neither are we because we are sons.
And all authority comes from God the Father and is delegated. And Jesus Christ is still the Word of God.
His name is Jesus so he is Jesus. His name is the Word of God, so he is the Word of God.
Solid truth right there if you have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Hi Gene,
YOU: the man Jesus could do “nothing” of “himself,”
Scripture:
John5:16 Therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus,
because he did these things on the sabbath. 17But Jesus answered them:
My Father worketh until now; and I work.
In the above. Jesus made it clear to the Jews
THAT HIS FATHER WITHIN HIM DID THE WORK ON THE SABBATH,
THEREFORE JESUS HAD NO CHOICE EXCEPT TO DO WHAT THE FATHER ASKS JESUS TO DO.
18Hereupon therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he did not only break the sabbath
but also said God was his Father,
making himself equal to God.
John 5:19 Then Jesus answered, and said to them:
Amen, amen, I say unto you, the Son cannot do anything of himself,
but what he seeth the Father doing:
The above is as clear as crystal; it is not a reference to Jesus’ power at all,
but to HIS WILL.
Jesus cannot do anything by his own will and initiative, regarding the task of redemption, but by the Father’s own will,
SINCE HE IS PRECISELY “THE WORD” OF GOD
In the same way Gene, YOUR WORD, MOSTLY LIES, cannot speak by
THEIR OWN initiative but by your own will.
JESUS WAS SENT BY THE FATHER ON EARTH TO
MANIFEST THE FATHER’S WORK PHYSICALLY ON SATANIC EARTH,
A TASK WHICH THE FATHER COULD IN NO WAY ACHIEVE
SINCE HE IS SPIRIT, AND APART THAT THE FATHER IS TOO POWERFUL TO MANIFEST HIMSELF ON THIS SATANIC EARTH UNLESS HE ERADICATES IT.
THE FACT THAT THE FATHER COULD IN NO WAY
DO ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF
ALONE,
EXCEPT BY “HIS OWN ACTUAL WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
BOTH AS A SPIRIT IN CREATION AND ON EARTH AS A HUMAN!
Cont.John 5 for what things soever he (THE FATHER) doth, these the Son also doth in like manner.
20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things which himself doth:
and greater works than these will he shew him, that you may wonder. 21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life:
so the Son (OF HIS OWN INITIATIVE, AS HE SEEMS FIT IN RELATION TO GOD’S WILL)
also giveth life
to whom he will
(EVEN TO HIS OWN DEAD BODY)
whether you and Jodi BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
As Jesus, the moment He died
HE LIVED AS A SPIRIT GLORIFIED ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE HOLY GHOST IN
JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD
GODMAN ON EARTH!
HE WENT IN HELL AND FREED ALL SOULS FROM ADAM BEFORE HE RESURRECTED, THE FACT THAT SAINTS CAME OUT OF THEIR GRAVES.
1Peter 3;18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God,
being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit,
19In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:(HELL)
NOW READ THIS Gene:
John5:30 I cannot of myself (A REFERENCE TO HIS WILL) do anything.
As I hear, so I judge:
and my judgment is just;
because I seek not my own will,
but the will of him that sent me.
THIS IS THE PERFECT HARMONY WHICH EXISTS BETWEEN THE FATHER AND THE SON! Well asserted in
John 10:30 I and THE Father are one.
John 5: 31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
33You sent to John, and he gave testimony to the truth. (JESUS’ PRE-EXISTENCE)
34But I receive not testimony FROM MAN:
but I say these things, that you may be saved. 35He was a burning and a shining light: and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light.
36But I have a greater testimony than that of John:
for the works which the Father hath given me
to perfect;
CAN YOU Gene and Jodi, SAY SOMETHING REGARDING THE WORK WHICH JESUS
PERFECTED??
NEVER!!! YOU DON’T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA, AS LONG AS YOU ARE
STAGNATED CARNALLY MINDED! WITH EVERY RESPECT! READ HEREUNDER NOW:
the works themselves, which I do, give testimony of me,
that the Father hath sent me.
As the father could not abide in humans DIRECTLY like he did in Jesus, his own actual WORD made flesh, after He came out of Mary as a spirit
THE SON OF GOD! asserted by Jesus:
Hebrews 10:5 A BODY YOU FITTED TO ME
37And the Father himself who hath sent me, hath given testimony of me:(AT THE RIVER JORDAN! Jodi and Gene, when God sent His spirit as a dove SIMPLY TO MANIFEST
OFFICIALLY
JESUS IN ISRAEL AS THE TRUTH,
slain like a lamb from the beginning of the world Rev.13:8)
neither have you heard his voice at any time,
nor seen his shape.(WHILE JESUS IS THE FATHER’S OWN SUBSTANCE Hebrews 1:3)
38And you have not his WORD (SPIRIT MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE LKIFE SOURCE OF ALL PHYSICAL John17:2) abiding in you:(ASSERTED HEREUNDER)
for WHOM he hath sent, HIM you believe not.
DESPITE THE FACT THAT
HE,
“THE WORD” JESUS IS
ENGRAFTED IN YOU,
Gene and Jodi!!! Well clear in
James 1:21Wherefore casting away all uncleanness, and abundance of naughtiness,
with meekness receive the engrafted word,
which is able to save your souls.
22But be ye doers of THE WORD, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
CARMEL….. so when scriptures say “ADAM THE SON OF GOD” that in the way you think means He “is” a God also? BEING A SON OR DAUGHTER OF GOD DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOD. “Know you not that “NOW” we “ARE” the sons of God”. But it does make you a child of God , but we as Jesus believe and teach this, “call no man on earth your Father, but one is your father who is in heaven.”
When are you going to start really “believing” Jesus, Carmel?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene,
YOU: CARMEL….. so when scriptures say “ADAM THE SON OF GOD” that in the way you think means He “is” a God also?
Your question Gene, SHOWS WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT YOU EITHER DIDN’T READ
ALL MY POST PROPERLY OR ELSE THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO DESCRIBE YOU AND YOUR INTELLIGENCE AND THAT IS THAT YOU ARE STILL
LIVE ON MILK!
APART THAT YOU ALWAYS CARNALLY MINDED.WITH EVERY RESPECT.
NOW ANSWER WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
ADAM and JESUS
THOUGH THEY ARE BOTH THE SONS OF GOD?
FIRST AND FOREMOST AT THE VERY END, THE ENTIRE KINGDOM WOULD BE
ALL SONS OF GOD Gene,
NO DAUGHTERS, AS THERE IS NO GENDER IN HEAVEN!
ALL WOULD BE PERFECT ANDROGENOUS LIKE GOD.
BACK TO OUR POINT!
WHEN ADAM WAS CREATED
HE WAS NOT PERFECT, BUT VERY GOOD!
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
OBVIOUS AS I SAID IN MY POST! READ:
the works themselves, which I do, give testimony of me,
that the Father hath sent me.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AGAIN GENE?
HERE COMES SUNDAY SCHOOL!!
THE WORK WHICH JESUS ACCOMPLISHED ON EARTH
ONLY JESUS COULD ACCOMPLISH
NO ONE ABSOLUTELY NO ONE
OF THIS SATANIC EARTH COULD!
WHICH INCLUDES
ADAM,
SINCE HE WAS
OF EARTH!
WHILE JESUS WAS OF
HEAVEN!!!!!!!
THE FACT THAT ADAM WAS VERY GOOD AND NOT PERFECT AND
THE FACT THAT JESUS PERFECTED
ALL FOR THE FATHER GOT IT Gene??? NO YOU DON’T!! YOU ARE STILL ON MILK!
THE FATHER Gene,
COULD HAVE CREATED A PERFECT WORLD BUT HE,
ATTENTION Gene,
SIMPLY GAVE ADAM
HIS FREE WILL!!!!
WHETHER TO ACCEPT HIM AS HIS GOD OR NOT!
CONSEQUENTLY FROM ADAM THE FIRST LIVING SOUL,
MAN IN GOD’S OWN TERMS!
THE SON OF GOD VERY GOOD
the Father, PERFECT, could not abide DIRECTLY in humans even before Adam sinned, SINCE HE WAS NOT PERFECT!
THUS GOD ALL KNOWING, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS ESTABLISHED
A SPIRIT/MEDIATOR AND ETERNAL LIFE!
HIS OWN SUBSTANCE FOR THE FATHER TO CREATE ALL THROUGH HIM, ABIDE IN HIM, AND COMMUNICATE TO ALL HIS CREATURES BY HIM PRECISELY
HIS OWN WORD!
GOD’S GENUINE SUBSTANCE! Hebrews 1:3
IN ORDER TO BE BETWEEN GOD AND ALL HIS CREATURES,
THEIR LIFE SOURCE AT ALL COSTS, EVEN SLAIN…..Rev.13:8 ENGRAFTED/ATTACHED ONE SUBSTANCE ETERNALLY WITH CREATURES FROM ONE END AND
WITH GOD FROM THE OTHER END,
ENFORCED BY THE HOLY GHOST, THE VOICE OF GOD, THE SON OF GOD TO BE,
THE SOUL ENTITY, BETWEEN THE FATHER
SPIRIT ENTITY, AND HIS WORD THE SON OF MAN TO BE,
THE FLESH ENTITY!
NOTHING COULD EXIST
WITHOUT GOD NEVER MIND EVIL, BUT WITH THIS SPIRIT/MEDIATOR “THE WORD”
ALL POSSIBLE FOR GOD, EVEN TO ABIDE IN SATAN HIMSELF!
1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord (JESUS) that do all these things.
15Verily THOU ART A HIDDEN GOD,
the God of Israel the saviour.(JESUS)
16They are all confounded and ashamed: the forgers of errors are gone together into
confusion.
THUS THIS SPIRIT/MEDIATOR WAS THE UNIQUE SHIELD/SEPARATOR AND PROTECTED BOTH GOD FROM BEING CONTAMINATED, AND CREATURES FROM BEING DESTROYED BY THE FATHER.
ONCE ADAM SINNED THE SITUATION WENT FROM VERY GOOD
SUBJECT TO GOD AS SON OF GOD TO
VERY SATANIC SUBJECT TO SATAN AS SON OF SATAN BORN IN
ONLY IN CAIN!
THAT MEANS Gene THAT THE FATHER HAD ONE CHOICE! YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
NO YOU DON’T I’M AFRAID!
LOVE!LOVE! and LOVE!
Gene, NOT ONE BUT
THREE!
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS! NO YOU DON’T
THREE PERFECTION Gene!
FOR ADAM AND HIS DESCENDANTS TO RETURN BACK TO PERFECTION, IT NEEDED
THREE PROCESSES!
A TRIUNE PROCESS!
ONE FOR THE SPIRIT, THE FATHER’S
ONE FOR THE SOUL, THE HOLY GHOST, and
ONE FOR
THE FLESH BODY. JERUSALEM!!!
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!
NOW THE FLESH, JUST TO REMIND YOU AFTER SIN WAS NOT THE FLESH GOD CREATED ADAM IN VERY GOOD! TO BE PRECISE:
FLESH AND BLOOD! SATANIC!
The substance which Satan believed that God was in no position to PRODUCE AS A DIVINE SPIRIT BEING! WITHOUT BEING CONTAMINATED BY HIS SPIRIT.
EVEN IF HE SENDS HIS SON, HIS OWN SUBSTANCE FROM HEAVEN
THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN SIMPLY BECAUSE SINCE IT HAD TO BE
SEXUALLY PRODUCED! IT WOULD SOMEHOW BE SATANICALLY CONTAMINATED OF EARTH!
SATAN SAW UP TO HIS NOSE!
GOD ACHIEVED ALL IN JESUS,
THE WORD MADE FLESH!
JESUS THE SON OF GOD
CAME OUT OF MARY AS A SPIRIT
THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD FULLY LUMINOUS!
STRAIGHT FROM HEAVEN!
ALL THE GENERATIONS OF HEAVEN!
IMMEDIATELY ON MARY’S CONSENT IN HER MYSTERIOUS WOMB.
AS MUCH AS ADAM
THE SON OF GOD CAME OUT STRAIGHT FROM EARTH!
PHYSICALLY!
GOD THE FATHER IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING FURNISHED JESUS
THE SON OF GOD, THE FATHER’S OWN SUBSTANCE OF THE HOLY GHOST.
WITH HIS UNIQUE FLESH FROM THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF THE WORLD FULLY LOADED WITH ALL EVIL WITHOUT BEING THE LEAST INFECTED!
OBVIOUS HE IS THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR!
THE GENERATIONS OF CONTAMINATED EARTH ALL IN
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN
asserted by Jesus:
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith:
Sacrifice and oblation thou wouldest not:
but a body thou hast FITTED to me:(TO BE SACRIFICED IN EXCHANGE FOR
THE HUMAN RACE)
6Holocausts for sin did not please thee.
7Then said I:
Behold I come: ( SIMPLY TO DO WHAT YOU CANNOT IN NO WAY DO
ALONE in a way!)
in the head of the book it is written of
ME:
that I should do thy will, O God.
A GOD SERVING A GOD!
A GOD DIE FOR A GOD!
NO JESUS NO GOD, NO GOD NO JESUS!
FOR THE SAKE OF THE HUMAN RACE EX SATANIC! THE GENTILES!
More to come:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
neither have you heard his voice at any time,
nor seen his shape.(WHILE JESUS IS THE FATHER’S OWN SUBSTANCE Hebrews 1:3)
38And you have not his WORD (SPIRIT MADE FLESH, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, THE LIFE SOURCE OF ALL PHYSICAL John17:2) abiding in you:(ASSERTED HEREUNDER)for WHOM he hath sent, HIM you believe not.
Carnel……my how hard it is to corner a snake in a bryor patch. , you twist and turn every scripture into you false conclusion everytime you post. Calling others CARNEL,ONLY SHOWS HOW REALLY CARNEL MINDED YOU ARE CARMEL. Sorry to have to say that but it is true. Can’t you just come up with a simple answer, instead of taking us through all your personal renditions of what thing mean?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
my how hard it is to corner a snake in a bryor patch. , you twist and turn every scripture into you false conclusion everytime you post.
Or perhaps you are the one doing the twisting, thus everyone else’s opinion looks twisted if you think your conclusions are straight. Something to think about gene.
Proclaimer. ….Good point, I wonder who here is ‘truly” led by the Spirit of truth. , personally I believe Jodi and I are, we both bare witnesses to the truth, in my opinion, but you people refuse it, so we testify against you, you are not of the truth or you would love us and agree with what the Spirit of Truth has revealed unto us. I am not taking credit for anything, nor is Jodi, we are simple baring witness of what God the Father is showing us. FOR the edification of all here, until we all come unto the edification of the Truth, unto the full measure of the stature of Christ, as Paul said.
Proclaimer…….Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Good point, I wonder who here is ‘truly” led by the Spirit of truth.
The one who can answer yes or no to a simple question. The one who can post a scripture and believe it wholeheartedly without adding or subtracting from it. These are some signs.
And the one who cannot do these is most certainly not being led by the Spirit of Truth because they love not the truth.
Well one thing is for sure, you people you all didn’t agree with each other most of the time. AT least Jodi and I seem to agree with each other most if not all the time.
Perhaps there is something in that Proclaimer.
Peace and love to you and your………gene
If people are consistently wrong and are in agreement of this error, then that never makes it right. Many atheists’ are in agreement as are many people who think Biden was the best pick for president. Your logic is severely flawed.
As for me, I will even agree with Adolph Hitler if he said something that was true. But that doesn’t mean I endorse him. That is how honesty works gene. It ignores labels and takes each point and judges it without bias.
If the JWs have teaching that is true, then I will agree with it. But I will also not agree to a teaching that they have that is a lie and just because they were true with another point doesn’t change anything.
If you loved the truth gene, I wouldn’t have to tell you these things. They would be evident to you. You seem like a stubborn mule who rejects all instructions given by scripture. You resist even scripture when it is plain as day.
It’s your life gene. Your choices to make and also your responsibility. We will all be judged.
Proclaimer, but you see I and Jodi, do love the truth, and we seek it, search for it , ask for it, and have found it, by the spirit of “truth” Given us by God the Father, not by my own “so-called” “freewill” choices. Like you say, you have.
Proclaimer I do not reject scriptures, what I reject your renditions of them. Please show me one scripture I have rejected there is none, as I have said, I reject your and others here false renditions of them . They do not meet what the old Testement says in many places, so yes I do reject the way you believe them.
But you on the other hand “attack” those who Disagree with your false teachings here, even kicking some of them of the site, for basically disagreeing with what you say, like Nick , kerwin, and even me once.
Both NICK and KERWIN, brought a lot of truth to this site as well as Martic and others over the years. Look I really don’t care if you or anyone else here disagrees with me, I have alway said “prove” me wrong by scriptures, that are “correctly” translated, scriptures that match up with the “OLD TESTEMENT” , and if they don’t I have every right to question them , and so does everyone else here, rather you like it or not, if you follow your own word about this site you will accept that right of others here.
Proclaimer I “COMPLETELY” disagree with you about the “Preexistence ” of Jesus , before his birth on this earth, that is a fact and a provable one that both Jodi and I have proven over and over here many times, your teaching is wrong.
You taking part as an accuser of the brethern, only show your own “true” nature, while disagreement is fine, even the deciples disagreed with each oher on somethings, but casting doubt on a persons moral integrity, is quit another thing. Which you seem to think you have a right to do.
But then that is exactly what the pharisees did to Jesus, even Jesus said, “if they do this to a green tree, how much more will they do it to a dry tree. So bring on your slanders, given you by your “own” so-called “freewill” choices, I WILL PUT MY TRUST IN THE HANDS OF THE , “ONE and ONLY, “TRUE GOD”, and my lord Jesus Christ.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.JESUS WAS EXISTING BEFORE ABRAHAM
VERY CLEAR …. !!!
Finally the meaning of his words enlightens them. They had heard this I AM before (John 8:24) without realizing that the name Jehovah applied to it. There is no more room for doubt. His own Divinity is the only explanation for what he said; and it is in these words so clearly affirmed that those who have constantly misunderstood can no longer be mistaken. The subtleties of the last days, by which men have tried to show that there is no claim to Godhead here, have not been suggested to their minds. They won’t recognize the claim, but they believe He made it. They heard the fearful words which seemed blasphemous to them, and they take the stones which are at hand for the rebuilding of the Temple, in which they are found, to throw them on the Lord of the Temple. (Comp. John 10:33.)
Ellicott’s Commentary
JOHN 8
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
[25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.JOHN 10:33
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Berean……you also believe Jesus was making himself to Be God, Right? So do you and those Jews believe the same thing? DON’T you also believe Jesus was a deity, a “devine” being?
Why have you backed of on our descussion on the book of Revelations? Did Proclaimer derail you, or you simple don’t have an answer.
I realize Derean , some of this goes against what you believe , but if we let the scriptures, “all” of then guide us we can increase our understanding. No one has all the truth , but we can grow in Grace and knowledge.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Berean……you also believe Jesus was making himself to Be God, Right? So do you and those Jews believe the same thing? DON’T you also believe Jesus was a deity, a “devine” being?`
Why is having divine nature so hard to believe. Are you not aware that we can participate in divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world?
Ye of little faith. Did you not know that you can be born again.
Proclaimer, but you see I and Jodi, do love the truth, and we seek it, search for it , ask for it, and have found it,
Great, you have finally joined the club. So you now believe that God made the universe through the son of God. What made you change your mind? Was it realising you had free will and could choose?
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