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The root of David is Jesse that is the linage of both Jesus and King David. Jesus did not produce David so how couod he be his root. Again “mystery” religion, when anyone should know the Jesus was tieing his linage the king David, and was not trying to have a hidden meaning there, only “mystery” religion , the twisters of simplt truths do that. There are plenty of scriptures that show Jesus was a decedent of King David. Jesse, and Abraham. Paul even said Jesus was from the loins of David, King David was promised by God himself that his decedent would be Jesus.
There seem to be no end of how you people can twist up our clearly written scripture to meet you false teachings.
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Hi Gene,
YOU:The root of David is Jesse
that is the linage of both Jesus and King David.
Jesus did not produce David so how could he be his root.
ME: you Gene, AS MUCH AS Jodi IS, are BRILLIANT AS
A CARNAL MINDED PERSON
AND NEVER ACCEPT
GOD’S SPIRITUAL MYSTERIOUS WORK IN
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN!
Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda,
the ROOT of David, (his creator)
hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev.22:16 I Jesus….I am the
ROOT and OFFSPRING of David,…
OK Gene CHEW, CHEW, and CHEW
JESUS IS
both David’s creator and David’s
Son.
JESUS IS
BOTH DIVINE AND MAN.
This is well pinpointed out by Jesus Himself in
Matthew 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43He saith unto them,
How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord,
how is he his son?
46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
NOW TO
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth
a ROD out of the stem of Jesse,
and a
BRANCH
shall grow out of his roots:
IN THE ABOVE Gene,
JESUS IS
THE BRANCH
10: And in that day
there shall be
A ROOT OF JESSE,…
IN THE ABOVE
JESUS IS THE ROOT OF JESSE (HIS CREATOR)
Now Gene, the Redeemer being
the “root and branch of Jesse”
confirms:
Jesus is both God (i.e. the root)
and man (i.e. the branch).
Again confirmed in
Isaiah 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,
and as
A ROOT (CREATOR, SLAIN LIKE A LAMB
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD Rev.13:8)
out of a dry ground:…( THE CURSED SATANIC WORLD)
Gene, and also Jodi
get it into your carnal mind that Jesus is
the creator of both
JESSE and DAVID,
PLUS
A SON OF JESSE AND DAVID
Jesus is
The maker of covenantal promises and
the One who fulfills them.
So no matter how desolate our lives may seem, we can look to Jesus and be reminded of how God
IN “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, SLAIN….. Rev.13:8
made new life to sprout of the greatest desolation. We who trust in Christ Jesus are
“ROOTED and BUILT-UP in
Him and established in the faith” (Colossians 2:7).
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, the root “OF” Jesse……The word “Of” Means “From”, Jesus is “FROM” M the ROOT OF JESSE.
Your again have twisted up scriptures to meet you “mystery” religious beliefs.
Sorry I don’t buy it!
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
The root of David is Jesse that is the linage of both Jesus and King David. Jesus did not produce David so how couod he be his root.
Good question. That is what you need to answer for yourself because it is written.
Hi Gene,
YOU;Carmel, the root “OF” Jesse……The word “Of” Means “From”, Jesus is “FROM” M the ROOT OF JESSE.
Your again have twisted up scriptures to meet you “mystery” religious beliefs.
Sorry I don’t buy it!
Gene, as I SAID; YOU and JODI,
DOMINATED AND GROUNDED WITHIN YOUR CARNAL MINDED INTELLIGENCE YOU WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT IS WRITTEN IN
BLACK ON WHITE!
NOW THE FACT IS THAT YOU NEVER HAD THE DECENCY TO
PROVE IN YOUR POST
WHAT YOU JUST SAID :
the root “OF” Jesse……The word “Of” Means “From”,
WHY MAY I ASK?
SIMPLE
YOU ARE A LIAR:
AND ALWAYS READY TO PRODUCE SIMPLY TO QUENCH YOUR OWN THIRST AND ENJOY YOUR
BLA, BLA, and BLA.
With every respect!
peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel…….The term root there , should be translated and is translated in several ways but most Scholars believe it should be translated as “shoot” that grows out of or from the root of a tree. SCRIPTURE TELL US THAT SHOOT OR BRANCH WAS FROM THE stump of JESSE, WHICH BOTH KING DAVID and then JESUS CAME FROM.
There are so many scriptures that back this up, you would have to be completely blind to not see it. There are scriptures after scripture in our bible text, that show clearly that Jesus sprang from the tribe of Judah, through the linage of Jesse and king David. Jesus is the “offspring” of King David, just as scriptures say he is. You can choose not to believe it, that’s you problem, but scriptures clearly show he is.
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
The Gospel according to Gene
Scripture
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Gene
Not a root
Scripture
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church;
Gene
He is not before all things
Scripture
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
His origin is around 2000 years ago and not before this scripture was written
Scripture
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Gene
Glory yes, but he didn’t have that glory before the world began because he didn’t exist.
Scripture
I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”
Gene
He wasn’t going back to the Father, he was going there for the first time.
Scripture
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth
He didn’t exist before the heavens and earth
Scripture
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Gene
Through him, nothing was made that has been made
Scripture
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
Gene
He is not the Word of God
Scripture
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!“
Gene
I tell you the truth, before Abraham, he wasn’t.
The Antibible – by Gene Balthrop
Gene, have you thought about rewriting the Bible according to your own spirit and understanding? It could be a best seller in this rebellious world.
Hi Gene,
YOU:SCRIPTURE TELL US THAT SHOOT OR BRANCH WAS FROM THE stump of JESSE, WHICH BOTH KING DAVID and then JESUS CAME FROM.
ME: EXPLAIN TO ME Gene,
WHAT IS A STUMP PLEASE?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
I just reread my opening post on this topic and thought it would be good to repost. There are some great scriptures quoted here. Enjoy.
The Ordinary Jesus Brigade (Gene, Jodi, Nick)
This topic is really about exposing the Spirit of Error. While we know that the Trinity Doctrine is of the spirit of error, so it is with other doctrines that lie about who Jesus really is.
And just because a person opposes a certain error doesn’t mean that he is right, but he too can be in error. So it is with some here who hold the view that Jesus was only a man with no other origin. In their opposition to the Trinity Doctrine they then sway the complete other direction which too is error. It seems that many cannot go beyond the age old debate that Jesus is either God or a mere man created 2000 or so years ago, and many take either side.
However. the the Spirit of Truth is not confined to this Greek construct. What scripture tells us about Jesus proves that both these views are wrong. The Ordinary Jesus doctrine and the Trinity doctrine are both error according to scripture.
We are instead taught in scripture that Jesus was born the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord. He is called the Word of God and we know that the Word was with God and became flesh. Those that beheld this were those that saw Jesus.
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Matthew 1:18
This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph,1 John 4:15
We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.John 1:1 4
he Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.We are also taught that anyone or any teaching that says that Jesus Christ didn’t come in the flesh is of the Antichrist.
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.So while the Trinity has well been proven as false, so I believe it is with the doctrine of the Ordinary Jesus. That doctrine espouses that Jesus had no previous existence whatsoever until he was created a man. It says that he was like us in every respect and not even holier than us. It says that he became these things later on as God gave them to him. This view denies the verses above and the verses below:
John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.Micah 5:2
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”The Ordinary Jesus doctrine is just as false as the Trinity Doctrine. Both come from the Spirit of Error.
(NOTE: This topic is not about Jesus baptism at the Jordan. It is a wider topic on debunking the Jesus is just and ordinary man idea.)
Jesus is anything but ordinary and his birth was anything but ordinary. One of the members of this brigade is Gene. He reasons with his own understanding that it is important that Jesus was just and ordinary man like us, otherwise how can we be like him. The error here is that if he was just an ordinary man, then to be like him means we too should aim for ordinary, but we are already at that level. The truth is that one who is the Lord, the son of God, and the highest besides God himself, came in the flesh for our sake. He came as one of us, so we could be one of him, namely sons of God.
Jesus is anything but an ordinary man. The only truth to that statement is that Jesus is a man. But he is not ordinary, we only need read the Bible to see this. Even an Atheist could tell you the same thing if he read the Bible, of course he wouldn’t believe it. But certainly he would admit that according to the text, he was no ordinary man.
Not so Ordinary…
“I came down from heaven” (John 6:38)
Here is what The Ordinary Jesus Brigade say….
“And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and
mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?” (John 6:42)Gene and Jodi just don’t understand who Jesus is: “The Son of God” who came down from heaven!
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God bless
Ed JAmen
Thank you God for giving us your own BEGOTTEN only Son from Heaven and WHO WAS MADE FLESH like us.
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Amen
“what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.” (John 5:19)Hi Gene and Jodi,
Christ is saying here: he does also what he seeth the Father do.
But this does not fit into Gene and Jodi’s Theology, so the words
must be changed to this to accommodate their view…“He seeth what the father doeth through him,
likewise it is the son that doeth these things.” (Gene 5:19)But that is not what the verse is saying???
How ODD to believe such garbage???____________
God bless
Ed JEdj……it was Jesus “Faith” in God the Father , that enabled Jesus, to have miracles done for him. If you have Faith the size of a grain of mustard seed you “could” say, Unto this mountain be cast into the sea” and it would happen. So who has ever done that? did Jesus ever cast a mountain into the sea? No , why not? “Could” it be done? , by me?, yes “if ” God the Father willed it to be done through or by me saying it. GET IT?, the man Jesus could do “nothing” of “himself,”
What soever he seen the Father do, he did, God was showing what he wanted him to do, and God did it for him? Jesus did no miracles “himself”, nor did any Deciples either? God the Father did them all for them and through them, including Jesus. . So if you had the faith of a grain mustard seed, “in” “God the Father” there would be nothing impossible for you to have done for you if it was the will of God because God the Father would have to do it, GET IT? It’s all about your “real” Faith in God the Father and Jesus the Christ.
THE EXACT SAME WAY IT WAS FOR JESUS, IT IS FOR US. No difference.
IT’S “ALL” ABOUT “FAITH” IN THE “FATHER” EDJ. and also believe in Jesus, because everything he did was to please the Father. And he did please the Father so we can trust in him also, as we trust in the Father, because he always does the Fathers will.
Had you understood the truth you would know this Edj. Maybe you do know it .
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
PROCLAIMER….. there is nothing that Jesus ever did that we can’t do either, nothing, even greater works we can do, then he did. THAT is if you “truly” believe what he said.
John 14:12…..verily, verily, I say unto you he that believes on me, the works that I do, shall he do also, and “greater” works than these “shall he do” ; because I go unto the Father. IF we ask (God the Father) anything in the name of Jesus, he will do it?
JESUS HAS BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY BY GOD THE FATHER to grant to us what we ask “of” the Father in Jesus’ name.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
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