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Hi Edj
I’ll answer your question before the end of the day. I’ll except the same from you ” Was Jesus Christ born with Adams SIN? And if so how could He die for the sins of the world?
God bless
To all……why do you people have a problem with God creating the DNA that is in us all, Jesus is the seed of the women Eve “the mother of “all” living”, human on this earth, that includes “the son of man” Jesus. well did Jesus say , you people error“not knowing the power of GOD.
ANTHONY , you see something you can’t answer, so you go back and spin a mass of confusion to try to dispell that truth, why not just adjust your thinking, and accept it?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Proclaimer, if you are addressing something someone said, please have the decency to give the person’s name you talking too.
Why can’t you see, that the “man” Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of what God the Father had in mind when he created mankind in the firstplace? What is so hard to understand about that?
Please notice carefully, the words SPOKEN there and follow me through on this ok?,
Heb 2:5-10 …..for unto the angels has he (God) not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. (6), but one in a certain place testified, saying, what is “man” (mankind) that you (GOD) are mindfull of him (mankind) ?, or the son of man (product of mankind) that you (God) visit him. (7) You (God) have made him (mankind) a little lower then the angles; you (God) crowned him (mankind) with Glory and honour, and did place him (mankind) over the works of your (God’s) hands: (8) you (God) have put “ALL THINGS”, in subjection under his (mankind’s) feet, For in that he (God) put “all” things under him (mankind) there is “Nothing” that is not under him (mankind). But “Now” we see not “YET” “all things” under him (mankind), (9) But we see Jesus, (a man), who was ( like us) made a little lower the the angels for the suffering of death (like we do also) (now) crowned with Glory and Honor; that by the grace of God should taste death for “every” man.
(10) “For it became him (God the Father) for whom are “all” things, and “by” whom are “all” things, in brining many son unto glory, to make the captain (Jesus) of there salvation perfect through sufferings.
(11), For “both” he (Jesus ) that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are “ALL” ONE: (all from mankind) for which cause he is not ashamed to call them “BREHERN”.
Jesus is a perfected “human being” was perfected “by” what he suffered as we also will be, and always will be. The parentheses there are mine. I do not remove or “seperate Jesus from his identity with me as a human being or any of humanity , he is exactly what God the Father had and has in mind for us all from the very beginning of his creation, He is the finish product of our exact calling and future we need to see Jesus as the fulfillment of God the Fathers plan for all humanity.
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
Your rebuttals keep missing the mark because they are irrelevant. Have another go. This time talk about the scriptures that I believe in and quote on the subject. If you start arguing about Jesus being a man, then you are not hitting the mark because I already believe that. You keep falling short. Not sure you have what it takes. Put your best foot forward and show me the proof regarding the issues that you disagree with. Remember, Jesus emptied himself and partook of flesh. This is not the issue for either of us. The issue is about his origin. Talk about that. Just think that all those posts you made about Jesus being a man was a waste of time. No one was reading them except for Jodi maybe. TRY TO BE FRUITFUL. I’m helping you out here Gene.
Proclainer……My posts and Jodi’s are to show Jesus was a man and “only” a man , a man who had the beginning of the “only” life he “ever” had was when he was born on this earth . I have challenged you and others here over and over to show “any activity” of Jesus pryor to his birth on this earth. You and others here have not produced a single scripture of any activity of Jesus before his birth.
I and Jodi both have proven by “direct scriptures”, that it was God who alone and by himself created everything, that exists. Without any acknowledgement of that truth from you. We have went to extreme details from “scripture after scripture “many” scriptures , to prove what we are saying , it not our fault you fail to read those we quote and fail to believe them now is it?
Just like the scriptures I quoted just above your last post, did you truly read them and understand them” honestly” or is it as you say not relevant to the ordinary human Jesus subject, I say it is not only relevent but proof of Jesus “ordinary human origins”, and the reason for his “exact” connection to us as his “only” human brothers and sisters , those scriptures prove clearly that Jesus was and is a human being, both when he came into his “only” existence and his present existence also.
You on the other hand take vague scriptures that can be translated in many different way, and try to use them to prove your points, scriptures like , “before Abraham I am” as meaning ” I was “alive” before Abraham, when in fact it does not specifically say that, so you force the text and then come back and say that your proof. Same with the word “by” “dia” a Greek word that imports the idea of “for the sake of”, not as used there in that fasely inturpted scripture. Is that me saying that ?, no just look it up for yourselves, any Strongs concordance will tell you that. We have dealt with every scripture you have presented here over and over, and you continue to not except it, no matter how many scriptures we give you that “proves” your errors. The only reason this topic is stuck, is because you and other here reject the scriptures we post here. Isn’t it about time you at least consider those scriptures we have been posting for a change?
Go back and read carefully the last post I made about Jesus” identity with his human brothers and sisters, and how important we are to God the Father, and consider how important it was for Jesus to be “exactly” the same as us. Think about his achievements he accomplished with the help of God’s Spirit, think about how God the Father planned from the very beginning of his “crown jewel” of all his creation, “mankind”, how he took and “ordinary” human being and “perfected” him, and glorified him and gave him great honor, and placed all thing understand his feet, the “exact” same way he will do us. JESUS IS GOD THE FATHERS PROTOTYPE FOR THE HUMAN RACE, he is exactly what God hold out for us all.
You along with others here would have us believe Jesus was not a ordinary human being who God prophesied would come into his “only” existence through the loins of King David, you like others here continue to drive a wedge between Jesus and the rest of humanity, you do Satan his biggest favor, by preaching a “false Doctrine of Seperation “, alway trying to make Jesus appear different the we are, on the one side you say he was human, but on the other side you say he was a “morphed” preexisting being of somekind , that would serve not perpose of anykind.
As I have said to you before Proclaimer, your half way in and half way out, be interesting to see where that get you. But please don’t give us this lie about we haven’t dealt with what you have said, that simply is untrue, we have dealt with it over and over.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi All
I been having problem with my phone. My computer is in storage right buying a new house right now.
Edj Im not trying to dodge your scriptures, about the mother of all and the son of David and the seef of David
I had it all most done and it froze up and it wouldn’t let me send it. Sorry. I tryed three times and couldn’t send them maybe it was to long I’m going try again later. Got frustrated with it and gave up. I wi9 get back too you k.
Gene what I wrote wasn’t confusing its you who is confused.
God bless
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Anthony, please share with us where in the last post or any other post, there any confusion at? I will scripturelly back it up.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Edj
I’ll answer your question before the end of the day. I’ll except the same from you ” (1)Was Jesus Christ born with Adams SIN? (2)And if so how could He die for the sins of the world?
God bless
Hi Anthony, You ask softball questions and act like they are Theologically complex.
1) No, because he did not come from “Adam’s seed”.
2) Jesus was called the second Man because he did not come form manEd J said:
You said: And the LORD God said unto the serpent…
I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise
thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:14-15)Anthony said:
He did bruise the Satan head. When Jesus Christ died on the cross
and was dead from three days and was resurrected and went to His Father.Hi Anthony,
The bible says Jesus was “the seed of the woman” which you seem to agree with, now
Jesus was the seed of which “woman”?
This is the question I want you to answer
Hi All
I been having problem with my phone. My computer is in storage right buying a new house right now.
Edj Im not trying to dodge your scriptures, about the mother of all and the son of David and the seef of David
I had it all most done and it froze up and it wouldn’t let me send it. Sorry. I tryed three times and couldn’t send them maybe it was to long I’m going try again later. Got frustrated with it and gave up. I wi9 get back too you k.
Gene what I wrote wasn’t confusing its you who is confused.
God bless
Hi Anthony,
I didn’t ask you a bunch of questions, so there is no need to make your answer harder than necessary.
I will ask further more refining questions based on the answer to my first question: Seed of what woman?
Don’t make the mistake of thinking you answering a bunch a questions takes you off the hook.
My questions will be further refined and less broad in scope. So you trying to answer
questions that are broad in scope are irrelevant to the questions I will ask you.____________
God bless
Ed JHi All
It seem that this is the only site that I go to that freezes, and I have like a half of screen that I cant do anything with. I have to get right out of it and I end up losing everything I wrote. Has anyone else ran into this problem.
Help!
Hi Anthony,
I’m sorry about your computer, using a phone to post can totally suck. Unless I am just posting something quick and short I don’t bother using my phone. I hope your new computer comes soon!
Hi Jodi
No i did buy a computer its im storage Im in the process of buy a house I’m renting a room off my sister till August 14 can’t wait.
Was going to buy a iphone 11 pro max but I can’t get a deal fo 10 days I don’t really know if that will help or not. I jope so
Ill have my computer set up August 13.
Its driving me crazy!
It seems I all most grt done then my phone freezing up .
God bless
Hi Anthony,
Not sure where to begin with your Imputation doctrine post.
YOU: This procedure shows that Christ was not descended from Adam and Eve, but came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven
ME: Can you address Isaiah 7?.. how the virgin birth was going to occur for the purpose to be a SIGN unto the house of David, so to identify their promised king.
1 Chronicles 17 tells us how YHVH promised David that from his seed, from his sons an heir to David’s throne would come. YHVH promised He would be a Father unto him, that He would not take His grace away from him, that He would settle him into His house and give him an eternal throne.
In Isaiah 7 we read David’s throne was being threatened to be taken over by placing a king from a different tribe on the throne, and YHVH said that He would not let that take place. He then gives a SIGN, of which is the virgin birth.
It most certainly seems like you are ignoring YHVH’s promises to which directly relates to WHO the child is that is born of a virgin.
Luke 1 holds the promises that were given to David that we read in 1 Chronicles 17 that specifically relates to the WHO the child is that is to be born of a virgin,
Please address specifically these two passages from Luke 1 and 1 Chronicles 17,
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore. 15 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.
Anthony, Jesus is the promised son of David, he is of the DNA of David.
This son is born of a virgin through the power of YHVH’s Spirit, which is for a sign unto the house of David regarding a promised son of the seed of David who would sit on the throne of David for evermore. Unto this human son of David YHVH promised TO BE a Father to him.
In the vision given to Nathan to give to David there is most certainly NO Son of God that exists yet, there is no Son who is already settled in YHVH’s house yet. There is no Son of God who comes down to earth and becomes adopted into David’s house.
Anthony as I see it your doctrine makes YHVH into a total liar, so please explain.
Hi Anthony,
Ah, sorry I misunderstood. Exciting that you are in the process to buy a new house, congratulations! I hope your new phone works better for you until your computer gets set up. When you are writing your post maybe take some screenshots along the way, so if your phone freezes at least you have copies of what you wrote. Would be ideal if you could copy and then paste the text back in from the screenshots, but I’m not sure if that is possible or not.
We recently found out that my husband’s plant that he is the operations manager for is shutting down soon. We most likely will have to move, possibly out of Oregon even. With everything going on these days the idea of having to move out of our area seems all the more stressful.
Hi Anthony,
YOU: This procedure shows that Christ was not descended from Adam and Eve, but came directly by special engenderment from the Father in heaven.
ME: Maybe you have already addressed this and I have missed it.
The passage below from Luke says that Jesus IS the son of Joseph, as people had believed him to be, and Matthew 1 gives us the book of the genealogy of Jesus, where Matthew goes from Abraham to David and from David to Joseph to Jesus. So explain as to why we are being given genealogies of Jesus that connect him specifically to David and to Adam and Eve, but you say something different.
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph….. 31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,….. 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Also, why does the passage from Luke go from Jesus having been begotten of the Spirit where God declares him to be His beloved Son at that moment, to directly giving us a lineage of Jesus that goes not just to David but also all the way to Adam?
I can’t help but to think of prophecy where first you have a son of David and then God promised that He would be a Father to him. Seems like we are being given God becoming a Father to Jesus and Luke is establishing that he is the promised son of David. We are also being told that we all are children of God through Adam.
Luke 3 makes me think of Acts 17!!
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
Anthony, it says God made from one blood all nations of men to dwell on the earth, we then read Jesus is an ordained man of those men, specifically a man raised from the dead.
Hi Anthony,
Jesus in scripture is called a human and a son of a human multiple times.
He is likewise said to be the son of David, of the seed of David, the offspring of David, of the fruit of David’s loins, all which makes him of the seed of Adam and Eve.
Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my Spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. 19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets. 20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory. 21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust. 22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, in so much that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Matthew 21:9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.
Jesus is being identified as the promised son of David to whom God would be a Father unto. Paul tells us that those who are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God (we are to be made into the image of the Son, that he maybe firstborn of many brethren). Jesus is begotten of God’s Spirit being led by that Spirit, where he is sent out and does GREAT works through God directing all his ways. Luke 1 told us that the child to be born whose father is David, that he WOULD BE great, that he WOULD BE called the Son of the Highest.
Anthony, Jesus is a human, a son of a human, the promised son of David who YHVH promised He would be a Father to, and He is a Father unto Jesus ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT, where that Spirit leads him directing all his ways keeping him from sin.
Jesus died, but was raised from the dead where this son of David is said to have received the promised Holy Spirit, where he is said to have been on that day begotten by God (Acts 2 and 13 and the fulfillment of Psalm 2). He was raised in power, glory, made incorruptible where now the Holy Spirit is upon him for all eternity.
Romans 1:1-4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
It’s all according to prophecy, first you have a son of David who is thus also a son of Adam, and then YHVH declares him as His Son according to His Spirit.
Jodi……They just do not get it, they are completely blind to the truth, or by now, after all the scriptures we have given them over, over , over, they would have come to understand, it only shows clearly they are void of the Spirit of Truth. Unless the LORD. Removes from them that “deluding Spirit” , sent to them , because they truly do not love the truth, and have made unto themselves another God, “braking” the comandment of our God, “you shall have no other God besides me, you shall not make “no” image of me in heaven above or earth beneath” 2ths2. Is exactly what they have done wit Jesus. He that has eyes to see let him see.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
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