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APPLYING God’s word to God’s word, God’s word to John 8,
Isaiah 42: 1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. 5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a LIGHT of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Psalm 80:17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. 18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. 19 Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.
JOHN 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
This verse is directly ACCORDING to ISAIAH’s prophecies, a HUMAN having God’s Spirit come to rest upon him, AN ANOINTING, being called to righteousness and SENT out into the world to be a LIGHT to all people. This verse is directly ACCORDING to David’s prophecies, God would make a HUMAN strong for himself causing faces to shine and people to be saved.
JOHN 8:13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my RECORD is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
This is DIRECTLY according to Isaiah 61, of which Jesus himself quotes concerning himself, where God anoints a human resting His Spirit upon him in order for him to be SENT out TO PREACH the Gospel of God, bare RECORD that he has come in the name of God to fulfill God’s will. The one who is SENT TO preach comes directly from God, from heaven, he comes from having God be with him via God’s Spirit given to him without measure, and he, the Son of Man is GOING to go sit at God’s right hand.
John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. (Directly ACCORDING to Isaiah’s prophecy, a HUMAN having God’s Spirit rest upon him where he will not judge with his own eyes and ears).
8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
How was he able to teach? According to John’s words prior in John chapter 3 Jesus teaches through having received the Spirit without measure, and as directly according to Isaiah’s prophecy that Jesus quoted, he is the man who God rested His Spirit upon so that he could preach God’s word.
8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
The men did not understand Jesus’s words. Throughout this chapter we see that they do not understand anything Jesus says to them.
8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
Once again the men have no understanding to Jesus’s words, they have no understanding that Jesus is the man of the prophecies, a man where God directs all his ways sending him out into the world to preach, to heal, to deliver captives, to deliver people from darkness, to be a LIGHT.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Once again, this passage DIRECTLY relates to Jesus being able to SPEAK according to prophecy fulfilled, a human having God’s Spirit rest upon him, an anointing made CHRISTOS/set apart to be SENT out into the world TO preach.
John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
ALSO directly according to prophecy, as God was going to call a HUMAN to righteousness, hold his hand and keep him for to be a LIGHT. Also according to Acts 10 where Jesus of Nazareth is ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit and is THEN SENT out to do good deeds FOR God was WITH HIM. First you have Jesus of Nazareth THEN he is ANOINTED with the Holy Spirit and SENT out, a HUMAN made CHRISTOS and SENT out beginning in Galilee.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Also directly according to prophecy concerning a human of the seed of Jesse, who was anointed TO give God’s truth by speaking God’s words, by healing, and delivering captives, freeing men from darkness.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Once again these men have no understanding, they certainly do not see Jesus as the son of Jesse from prophecy.
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Also of direct prophecy, Isaiah 53, a HUMAN who God would bruise and put to grief freeing us from our sins, he would die and God would raise him and give him a portion of the spoil with the mighty and have him divide it with the strong. Also as prophecy and Paul teaches us, Jesus is the seed of David and a Son according to the Spirit. As that Spirit directed all his ways it led him to be a perfect man, not worthy of death, worthy to be resurrected unto eternal life. As God had said, He would make David’s Son into His own Son, God would beget David’s Son, God would make David’s Son into a Firstborn Son of many brethren.
John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
Once again, Jesus speaks according to fulfilled prophecy him being the HUMAN God had promised He would be mindful of and visit, rest His Spirit upon him, anointing him TO SPEAK God’s words.
John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a MAN (anthropos/HUMAN) that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Once again the men don’t understand Jesus’s words. Once again Jesus speaks directly from a fulfillment to prophecy, a MAN/HUMAN speaking truth through having God’s Spirit rest upon him, an anointing/set apart TO PREACH.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
I, as in the Son of Man, I as the HUMAN Jesus just said he was, proceeded forth and came from God, he had been SENT upon the Spirit descending upon him like a dove boding upon him, having God be with him, sending him out to do good deeds in the name of God.
John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Jesus is of God able to hear God’s words BECAUSE God anointed/set him apart with the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the LORD, with His Spirit not by measure, sending him out dedicating him TO PREACH.
John 8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
Once again they are not hearing or understanding anything that Jesus says.
John 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
Prophecy, Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Also from prophecy by Isaiah, when a human is anointed he judges not by his own eyes and ears, He judges according to God’s righteousness.
John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Once again the men show they have no understanding. Abraham and David were given prophecy, they saw their son die and be raised from the dead, and they died in faith of God’s promise that through their seed all nations would be blessed, they saw their sins would be forgiven and through their faith, they too would be raised from the dead and that they would never taste death from there forth.
John 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
How does Jesus KNOW God, through God’s Spirit resting upon him of course. Being FILLED with God’s Spirit and Power is how he knows God, being taught by God through God’s Spirit is how he knows God, having been anointed with the Spirit meant that God was WITH him according to Acts 10, and for God to be WITH him in the fullness of God’s Spirit without measure, is to be knowing Him in all truth.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
This is exactly what I was just talking about. Abraham rejoiced to see the day of his own seed being MADE the Christ, and being perfected by learning obedience to God, dying on the cross for sins, and then becoming the firstborn of the dead of many brethren. Abraham is DEAD, and BEFORE him is Jesus, as the firstborn of the dead.
John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Once again the men understood nothing that Jesus was saying.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was (Ginomai, to become) I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
As we were just told, ABRAHAM rejoiced to SEE the DAY of Jesus, the DAY Jesus was resurrected, and Abraham knew that meant his own resurrection.
God PROMISED before time began eternal life, man was to BECOME a new man, live in righteousness and never be able to taste death.
Before Father Abraham, Jesus is the firstborn of the dead, and it is by Jesus that Abraham will become a new man, never able to taste death.
Jesus said, “I AM the way, the truth, and the life”, he said, “I AM the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
Once again such is according to direct prophecy, a HUMAN, a Son of Man, Son of Jesse, is called to righteousness, where God holds his hands, and keeps him for to be a LIGHT to all people. This Son of Jesse has God’s Spirit rest upon him/an anointing/ where he is sent out to deliver men from darkness.
THERE is nothing about pre-existence in the entire chapter of John 8.
John 8 IS ALL unto God’s word that was given before to the prophets.
Furthermore, the prophecies speaking of what would occur in the future, was God’s plan before the world was, it was His WORD that had been WITH him ALL ALONG that would be fulfilled in the flesh, in a HUMAN.
As we are told God promised eternal life BEFORE the world was. In God’s WORD was a Son of Man that would bring forth that eternal life, God was going to be mindful of and visit, rest His Spirit, bring this Son of Man to death to then life forevermore, making him a firstborn Son of many, and giving him that which God’s first human son, Adam lost because he sinned and died. God gives the New Man, the Second Adam (HUMAN), dominion overall creation, overall the works of God’s hands. This occurs all the while Abraham is dead, and BEFORE Abraham BECOMES a man of eternal life, Jesus can rightly declare I AM.
AND HERE YOU GO,
Jesus said,
Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
BEFORE Abraham WAS (which “was” means TO BECOME, which in CONTEXT means TO BECOME resurrected to eternal life) I AM.
RECALL, Jesus had JUST SAID that Abraham rejoiced to see his day, meaning his RESURRECTION. BEFORE Abraham is TO BECOME RESURRECTED JESUS IS RESURRECTED. The men had no clue about anything that Jesus was saying in the entire chapter, as neither do most on this forum, because they do not apply God’s word to God’s word.
Hi t8,
That was me, not Gene who said that.
YOU:Your making stuff up now and bearing false witness.
He emptied himself and was as one of us. He needed God even more than we do due to his mission. In fact, he even learned obedience.
Keep the debate simple and try not to add in ad hominems. They are unnecessary distractions. And it will save you from being sad too.ME: t8, Philippians 2 directly relates to prophecy, Isaiah 11, 42, 61, AND 53.
Jesus who says he is a man (human) says that God rested His Spirit upon him, Jesus called it an anointing, so that he could be SENT out to fulfill God’s will. You are told that Jesus was filled with the Spirit and with Power, you are told that God gave him the Spirit not by measure and by such that is how he PREACHES, performs signs and miracles.
THIS equates to Jesus BEING IN THE FORM of God, he not only has God’s Spirit and Power without measure, but that which He does with the Spirit is according to God directing all his ways, so that which He does is God’s will not his own.
LET THAT SINK in t8.
With this Spirit and Power, he IS in the form of God and is seen as equal to God, but he is an obedient servant to God, never using that which God gave him for his own gain.
WHEN Jesus goes to the cross, he is made in the likeness of MEN, he is NUMBERED with transgressors, he is given a sinner’s death. God bruises him and puts him to grief, like that of a sinner, where he is mocked and spit on looked upon as a sinner by the people.
Hi t8,
DID you MISS that Paul’s message is for people to be in the fellowship of the Spirit and be like minded with The Anointed Jesus?
You want to separate Jesus, when Paul is doing the opposite, Paul wanted fellow brethren to understand the MIND and actions of the MAN God rested his Spirit upon, an anointing, and sent him out to do God’s will, preach God’s word and heal, so that those also receiving of God’s Spirit, made apostles, prophets, and healers, sent out into the world to PREACH and HEAL, CAN BE LIKE MINDED with him, not be of personal gain and vein glory.
Paul does’t revert back to the MIND of some eternal spirit and is asking us to be like minded with him. That is total foolishness t8.
Jodi. really you ought to think about writing a book,you could put all your posts together re- arrange and put in order, and you would have a book.
God bless 🙏
Hi Gene 👋
You said: Anthony….. We were told ,we should also empty ourselves and take the form of a “servent”. would that make us God’s also as you falsely believe Jesus was.
Me : Gene it wouldn’t you but it might me, lol
May God save you 🙏
Jesus who says he is a man (human) says that God rested His Spirit upon him, Jesus called it an anointing, so that he could be SENT out to fulfill God’s will. You are told that Jesus was filled with the Spirit and with Power, you are told that God gave him the Spirit not by measure and by such that is how he PREACHES, performs signs and miracles.
THIS equates to Jesus BEING IN THE FORM of God, he not only has God’s Spirit and Power without measure, but that which He does with the Spirit is according to God directing all his ways, so that which He does is God’s will not his own.
LET THAT SINK in t8.
How does what you say null what scripture says? It doesn’t. You need to be able to handle all of scripture. If your theology lends itself to some scriptures and not others, then you have the wrong understanding. There is no contradiction Jodi.
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.‘ “
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
T8…..my how a few “misunderstood” words can so easely cause you to not understand all the many scriptures that show how wrong you people really are. That simple word “through” from THE GREEK WORD “dia” , has completely thrown your complete understanding off. But then that is exactly what you want it to mean right? Your DEFINITELY not alone, all christendom believes it to. Satan’s DOCTRINES HAS CERIOUSLEY INFECTED ALL CHRISTENDOM. You are supporting the broad way that leads to destruction, the way of the many, and don’t even know it. Sad for you, bad form T8.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene, you are at war with the written word of God. It is stated so many times that it is an obvious message. While you could make the argument that one or a few scriptures are mistranslated or misinterpreted, it is very difficult to argue that all these and many many more are wrong.
Once again, I am going to side with scripture. I believe the leaven your are selling me in this discussion is fake.
Hi Anthony,
John 8 is directly according to David and Isaiah’s prophecies concerning a man, such is an undeniable FACT. Jesus said in John 8 that he is the man (anthropos/human) who speaks the truth. He does so according to prophecy fulfilled, where a human would be anointed and SENT out to PREACH.
Hi t8,
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself,and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.t8, where in Philippians 2 does it talk about an anointed spirit emptying himself? NOWHERE, IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES NO SUCH THING, that is a LIE. DIRECTLY it is JESUS. This chapter is speaking of JESUS, JESUS is the name given to a person who exists in the FLESH. You are CHANGING who the verse is speaking about.
Hi t8,
8:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.YOU DENY his anointing that IS to the glory of the Father t8, JESUS the name given to a human born of flesh, who God later anointed with His Spirit without measure giving him, as scripture says, the fullness of the Spirit and power of God and THEN SENT him. As prophecy says concerning a HUMAN that God would be mindful of a man, visit, him, bring him to death and crown him with glory and honor, give him dominion over the works of His hands.
The NAME of Jesus means Jehovah is salvation, Jesus is our salvation because God took a man according to prophecy and called him to righteousness, directed all his ways, rested His Spirit upon him and didn’t leave him but rather was with him in all things, truth and power.
Hi Jodi
You said: where a human would be anointed and SENT out to PREACH.
Me: as T8 already told you>> but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.”
John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.‘ “
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Jodi you say Jesus Christ didn’t pre- exit, you have been decieved.
Good post T8, thanks for sharing.
May God save you 🙏
Anthony……so it wasn’t a “son of (from) man” that died for your sin, but a preexisting God?
Who came to earth and died for you right?, a God who somehow needed to be anointed by another God right?, a God who became a God even though scripture says, “God is “not” a man”, that he should lie or a “son of man” that he should repent”. Better yet? Show us were any scripture says God emptied himself , of anything, even though he does pour forth his spirit on man? If God were to truly empty himself and die, all creation would die. And tell us who was the “man” Jesus’ GOD, was he praying to himself?
ANTHONY SO you are in full denial, of what Jesus himself “clearly said” , “that they might know “you” the “ONLY” true God, what part of those words you fail to understand., and where scripture “clearly” says, “but unto us there is “ONE” God and one mediator between men and God the “MAN” Jesus the anointed .
Do you people just go along and act as if those scriptures are not enen your bibles. Do you think Jodi and I have different bibles then you do, I tell you we don’t, but the difference is we truley understand that Jesus is and was always a human being from his birth on this earth even till now, and will return as a human being and sit on the throne of his ANCESTRAL FATHER, king DAVID, just as he and scriptures say. Remember what he said “I am the root and offspring of David”. This scripture you are denying, and all who believe he prexisted his birth on this earth are also, (the so called “many”) .
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
So your in full denial, that Jesus Christ is literally the only Begotten Son of God. You see Him just a man. Your a adopted son of God working out your salvation with fear and trembling, and sits on the right hand of His Father, waiting tos up a kingdom here on Earth. Gene His not just like you, He the one that made all things possible.
May God save you 🙏
Gene
- Correction: He sit on the right hand of His Father. Your not sitting their.
- You didn’t create all thing, Jesus Christ did
- He’s a God because His father is He took on Humanity, you was andare human just like your father.
Anthony…..1..we all know jesus is ‘now’ sitting there, but, when “the man”, Jesus was on this earth was he then sitting on the right hand of God?
2…I never claimed to have created anything, neither did Jesus, or haven’t you ever read this,
Isa 44:24……”thus saith the LORD, YAHWEH, thy redeemer, and he that formed you from the womb, I am the LORD that makes “all” things; that stretches forth the heavens “alone”; that speads abroad the earth by “myself”.
Seems YAHWEH ‘ our “only” true God sees this way different then you do, and Jesus does also, saying “the “son of man” could do “nothing” of himself. Tell us Anthony are these scriptures I have quoted in you bible, If so do you just ignore them as the rest of most all christendom does.
3… Jesus is and was human, just as his earthly father King David, was also, and many scriptures show he came from the roots of king David, Jesus said himself “I am the root and offspring of King David.” is that also another scripture you people have ignored. “for it is evident that our lord sprang out of Juda:”. and this in Acts 2:30… “therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him (king David) that of the fruit of his (king David) loins, “according to the flesh” he would raise up Christ (the anointed one) to sit on his (king David’s) throne; he seeing this before spake of ” the resurection of Christ (the anointed one) , that his soul (flesh) was not left in hell (grave) , neither his “flesh” did see corruption.
If you understand that you would know Jesus was and is indeed “a human flesh being” just as we are, that is why he had to be resurected from the grave, just as we also must inorder to continue to live after we die. If you don’t see Jesus as a human being, you simply don’t see him, you see and preach another Jesus, that Jesus said would decieve many, IMO.
Tell me this Anthony why don’t you even address the scripture we quote to you, is it because you simply can’t or they might cause you to humble yourself and just admit you may have been wrong?
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Psalm 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?…6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
This prophecy, God’s WORD of the future, a promise of a human to come, was God’s word before the world was.
God is all knowing, you would have to be a LIAR to say such is not true.
Psalm 80:17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself. 18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name. 19 Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.
The name given to the son of Abraham, the son of David was Jesus, and God made him strong for himself, God was mindful of him and visited him, God rested His Spirit upon him, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and MIGHT, an ANOINTING/ setting apart, in order for this Son of Man to fulfill all of God’s will. THE NAME of Abraham and David’s son, JESUS, means Jehovah is salvation.
God through the Son of Abraham would bless all nations.
God through the son of David would raise up a savior.
Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISE raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
God raised up a savior from the son of David, the son of Jesse ACCORDING TO a PROMISE, THAT PROMISE, was God’s word before the world was.
To say otherwise makes you a LIAR, a SLANDERER AGAINST God.
THERE ARE ZERO scriptures that say that this Son of Man preexisted. The coming of this Son of Man who God would make strong for himself was told to the prophets, which IS God’s WORD before the world was.
t8 and Anthony, JESUS DOES NOT TEACH he came from pre-existing, after he rose from the dead Jesus TAUGHT what all the prophets had said concerning him. HIS glory that he received was according to what the prophets spoke.
Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God RAISE UP unto you OF your BRETHREN, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
God’s WORD declared to the prophets was of the END, God’s WORD that God had established FROM the beginning.
God KNEW before HE created heaven and earth by His Hands, that He was going to make a Son of Man strong, that He was going to raise up a savior from among the people. God knew beforehand that He was going to give the works of His hands to the son of David. God made the beginning through the Son of Man that would come and SAVE that which would be lost.
According to a PROMISE God raised up a savior.
According to THAT PROMISE God made the world.
Scripture tells you repeatedly and directly that Jesus the Christ, comes from prophecy, WHICH IS God’s word that had been with God before the world was. NEVER is Jesus said to come from pre-existing.
Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images
THIS is PROPHECY, which tells us directly that there YET exists any Son of God that has glory, that there exists YET no set apart/anointed one.
Christ suffered and he entered into his glory when he rose from the dead, glory that the prophets spoke of that yet existed, glory that had been of God, an oath sworn concerning a Son of Man, before the world was.
JESUS is the Son of Man of the tribe of Judah who said that he had COME to save that which was lost, the prophets speaking God’s word, spoke of HIS COMING, they spoke of him directly as NOT YET EXISTING, and the COMING of this Son of Man, to save that which was lost, was God’s WORD, His OATH before the world was. THIS IS BIBLICAL FACT, to say otherwise is to be IGNORANT of God, and to make God a liar.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
There is no righteous one yet, there is no one of LIGHT yet, there is no one of glory yet. There is no one who has God’s Spirit yet without measure able to speak God’s word yet.
When the LORD created the heavens and spread forth the earth His WORD was that He was going to call a man to righteousness, He was going to raise up a prophet from among the brethren, He was going to raise up a savior from David’s seed and give him dominion over all the works of His hands.
Jodi…..it’s just amazing to me how with all the scriptures we have shown them, that by now they just can’t seem to get it. It has to be a matter of pride or complete deception, preventing them from understanding it. It does confirm theses words, “unless the Lord build the house the weary builders (us) build in vain”.
Well no one can say we haven’t tried.
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
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