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TC……YOU RELAY DON’ GET IT, or You would understood what I explained to you. JESUS never tried to be “equal” with God because he never could be EQUAL to him. In fact he even said , “why call me good?, there is only “one” that is good, that is GOD. ALSO HE CLEARLY SAID ” the son of man (Jesus) can do “nothing” himself, the Father who is “in” me “he” does the works? Have you blind guides ever figured that out yet? Jesus was not GOD’S WORDS, HE SPOKE “GOD’S words to us. THOSE WERE NEVER HIS WORDS HE WAS TELLING US. God and his words are one and the same thing,no matter who quotes them.
The whole concept that some how GOD’S WORD, “SEPERATED” from GOD the Father and became the “man” Jesus, is nothing more then LIE, ANYONE who try to make God’s word a seperate person, is a “LIAR” .
GOD said he was not a man,” that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should repent”. But JESUS SAID OVER A HUNDRED TIME HE WAS A “SON OF MAN”. which you false teachers deny. You all deny he “is” the root and offspring of king David. But Jesus said in Revelations he “IS” EXACTLY THAT.
YOU PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF THEM WHO ARE EVER LEARNINGM BUT NEVER COMMING UNTO THE TRUTH. Simply a bunch of blind guides leading the blind.
We , me and Jodi, have presented the same truth to you all over and over, but you simply do not have the ability to understand it, but rely on you own decieved hearts, “which is deceitful above all things”, as said in scripture.
This whole discussion with you people is nothing more then a excercise of futility, a waste of our time, Sad.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
TC……HAVEN’T YOU NOTICED, what you say doesn’t even agree with ANTHONY OR CARMEL either ?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
carmel…..Jesus never said “he” was the word, ……. Is that c anothe r scripture you have thrown out of you bible, to try to make Jesus be something he never said he was.
Gene,
Did ever Jesus call Mary, MOTHER?
Definitely not.
Does that mean that Mary is not His mother with respect to the scripture?
Definitely NOT!
Did ever Jesus called Himself a carpenter?
Definitely not!
Does that mean that Jesus was not a carpenter considering that His father was?
Definitely NOT!
Did ever Jesus say that He was a Jew?
Definitely not!
Does that mean that Jesus was not a Jew, with respect to scripture?
Definitely NOT!
Did ever Jesus say that He was born in a manger?
Definitely not!
Does that mean that Jesus was not born in a manger, with respect to scripture?
Definitely NOT!
Did ever Jesus say that He was circumcised?
Definitely not!
Does that mean that Jesus was not circumcised since He was a Jew?
Definitely NOT!
Did ever Jesus say that He lived in Egypt?
Definitely not!
Does that mean that Jesus was not in Egypt, with respect to scripture?
Definitely NOT!
Did ever Jesus say that He was the word of God?
Definitely not!
Does that mean that Jesus was not the word of God, with respect to scriptures?
Definitely NOT!
Thus with respect to scriptures, hereunder
Jesus is “THE WORD” of God!
In the beginning, was
the Word: and
the Word was with God: and
the Word was God. 2The same was in
the beginning with God. 3All things were made
by him: and
without him was made nothing that was made.
14And the Word was made flesh
and dwelt among us (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.
1John 2:7Dearly beloved, I write not a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you had from
the beginning. ( “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man)
The old commandment is
the word ( Jesus, the Son of Man)
which you have heard.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Jodi,
As far as I can read it does only say TWO SIGNIFICANT PHRASES:
THE SPIRIT OF HIM…..DWELL IN YOU…..
To whom the above PHRASES are directed?
Considering that the same Spirit who raised up Jesus, DWELLS IN HUMANS?
Now hereunder are scriptures which clearly and emphatically declare that
“THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man
MUST DWELL IN HUMANS
John 15:4 Abide in me:
and I IN YOU.
As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5I am the vine: you the branches. He that abideth in me,and
I IN HIM,
the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. 7 If you abide in me and
MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, (keep in mind that Jesus’ words are spirit and life)
you shall ask whatever you will: and it shall be done unto you.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them: that, they may be one, as we also are one.
23 I IN THEM,
and thou in me: that they may be made perfect in one: and the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me.
Galatians 2:20 And I live, now not I:
but Christ LIVES IN ME.
And that I live now in the flesh: I live in the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and delivered himself for me.
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles,
which is Christ,
IN YOU
the hope of glory.
Now Paul for a reason or another preferred to be mysterious, which is not yours and Gene’s preference. Thus if I ask you:
WHO IS THIS
HIM who raised up Jesus, what would you say?
Don’t tell me, God, since God is the source of ALL.
TRY TO BE SPECIFIC!
Peace and Love in Jesus
CARMEL…..THAT WAS THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH the man Jesus, the spirit of God in all and throught all, that in dwells Jesus as well as us who have it. Why do you think Jesus said in revelations, “you that have ears to hear , hear what the “spirit” is saying. GOD WHO IS SPIRIT SPOKE “THROUGH” Jesus and also the Prophets, and the Saint’s also. JESUS IS IN US JUST AS WE ARE IN HIM BY THE SAME SPIRIT of God. And if that spirit that was in Jesus dwell in you, he (God) will “also” quicken your mortal body’ . Just like it did the man Jesus’ BODY. One spirit in all and through all including the man Jesus.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene,
You: YOU RELAY DON’ GET IT, or You would understood what I explained to you. JESUS never tried to be “equal” with God because he never could be EQUAL to him.
Me: This is what I stated. The Messiah was the expressed ,unique, and exact expression of his Father. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (VS 7). This was the opposite attitude of Lucifer who became Satan. Gene, learn how to read and understand the simple statement of others. I said Lucifer tried to make himself equal with God and that the Messiah had the opposite attitude of humbleness. Try not to twist words of others like your father does.
You: In fact he even said , “why call me good?, there is only “one” that is good, that is GOD.
Me: The Messiah’s father is good. The Messiah is equally as good. The Messiah was stating in fact that he is God.
Psalm 23:1 YHWH is my shepherd; I shall not want.
John 10:11 I am the GOOD shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Ezekiel 34 says that the Word who became the Son of God is the GOOD SHEPERD.
You: ALSO HE CLEARLY SAID ” the son of man (Jesus) can do “nothing” himself, the Father who is “in” me “he” does the works? Have you blind guides ever figured that out yet? HE SPOKE “GOD’S words to us.
John 10:14 I am THE GOOD shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
You: Jesus was not GOD’S WORDS, THOSE WERE NEVER HIS WORDS HE WAS TELLING US.
Me: The Messiah is the Word or messenger of God. I have explained this already to your numb mind.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall RECIEVE OF MINE and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are MINE: therefore said I, that he shall TAKE OF MINE, and shall shew it unto you.
You: God and his words are one and the same thing, no matter who quotes them.
Me: No Gene, God and the Messiah are one. The bible contains the words of God. Is the bible God? I will quote the Messiah.
John 10:30 I and my Father are ONE
You: The whole concept that some how GOD’S WORD, “SEPERATED” from GOD the Father and became the “man” Jesus, is nothing more then LIE, ANYONE who try to make God’s word a seperate person, is a “LIAR” .
Me: NO Gene, you are a LIAR, not God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. 2 The same was in the beginning WITH God
Gene:
You: GOD said he was not a man,” that he should lie, nor a son of man that he should repent”. But JESUS SAID OVER A HUNDRED TIME HE WAS A “SON OF MAN”. which you false teachers deny. You all deny he “is” the root and offspring of king David. But Jesus said in Revelations he “IS” EXACTLY THAT.
Me: Please quote the scripture verse.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, YET WITHOUT SIN.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let GOD BE TRUE, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Me: Did Christ sin? Did he lie? Did he need to repent? The OT men had a body of sin and death. The Word did not become a man like us in the NT as I have explain this in “John 3 Born again”.
Genesis 1:23 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..
Me: A MAN is someone who is created in the visible and invisible image of God. This is mainly of the heart and soul and outwardly to become the fashion of God. This need not and is not the spiritual and outward appearance like man presently has, but which man is to become—like the Messiah.
Eccl 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Me: We are like the beast of the earth and die like them without the baptism of the holy spirit.
Verse 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Me: All those that die in good stead after being baptized in the holy spirit will resurrect spiritually into heaven at their deaths. The body comes later.
Gene:
You: HAVEN’T YOU NOTICED, what you say doesn’t even agree with ANTHONY OR CARMEL either ?
Me: You have the spirit of divide and conquer. You will not succeed. Neither will your father. Anthony, Carmel and I all believe that Jesus is the son of God and is God. This is of upmost importance. Your Father has deceived you. You and Jodi have disagreed on some things. You know this.
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
YOU: Jesus does nothing of himself, it is all by God’s anointing Spirit that rests upon him.
Jodi,
Get this into your corrupted MIND, with every respect:
As much as Jesus does nothing of Himself, likewise
The Father could do nothing of Himself.
REGARDING THE PHYSICAL KINGDOM OF GOD!
The Fact that the kingdom is of the Son not of the Father.
God is SPIRIT!
And through
His divine spirit in
THE FLESH BODY OF HIS SON,
Precisely “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man,
He annulled
Satan’s PROCESS of the world, through SIN.
Satan’s FLESH and BLOOD substance, through SIN,
Satan’s reproductive filthy SEXUAL process, through SIN,
Satan’s terms of MAN and WOMAN, within a CONFLICT through SIN,
Satan’s SIN and DEATH process, through SIN.
Now how did Jesus annul Satan’s PROCESS of the world?
OVERCAME THE WORLD?
Simply as “THE WORD” Jesus’ flesh body, THE SON OF MAN,
though made in flesh and blood and in all things LIKE His brethren,
listen to this Jodi:
HE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ABOVE MENTIONED PROCESS OF THE WORLD/ SATAN’S PROCESSES.
NOT EVEN THE ACTUAL FLESH AND BLOOD SUBSTANCE! Well clear in
John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you. For the prince of this world: cometh: and
IN ME HE HAS NOT ANYTHING!
GOT IT, Jodi and Gene!
Despite Jesus was MADE of the seed of David. Which is a clear reference to Jesus as
“THE WORD” as a spirit. HIDDEN, BURIED LIKE A TREASURE IN A FIELD. Matthew 13:44
Let’s be clear:
HUMAN’S EARTHLY FLESH and BLOOD, through CAIN, OF EVE, had nothing to do with
JESUS’ HEAVENLY FLESH and BLOOD through SETH, OF ADAM. Well declared by Jesus in
John 8:23 And he said to them: You are from beneath:
(SATANIC,) I am from above. (GODLY)
You are of this world: (SATANIC) I am not of this world.
NOW THE FATHER WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO ACHIEVE THE ABOVE HUMAN PROCESS OF HIMSELF!
ONLY THROUGH “THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN! And by whom
GOD ACHIEVED BOTH THE DIVINE FLESH THROUGH SETH,
AND THE HUMAN FLESH EX SATANIC THROUGH CAIN, AS
ONE SUBSTANCE AND BECAME
GOD OF ALL FLESH!
OF THE ENTIRE PHYSICAL CREATION!
ALL IN “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man,
THE PERFECT MEDIATOR/SPIRIT
THE FLESH BODY ASPECT OF
THE KINGDOM OF THE SON.
NOT OF THE KINGDOM OF THE FATHER.
THE NEW BODY of the new creation, LISTEN TO THIS JODI, and I repeat:
GET IT INTO YOUR CORRUPTED MIND, AND STUBURN HEAD!
THE NEW BODY OF JESUS CHRIST
THE SON!
OK? ! NOT THE BODY OF THE FATHER! Consequently
AS MUCH AS JESUS DOES NOTHING OF HIMSELF, LIKEWISE THE FATHER CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF! Well asserted in
John 16:15 All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine. Therefore I said that he shall receive of me and shew it to you.
The fact that GOD IS OUR SAVIOUR
NOT THROUGH HIMSELF, BUT only THROUGH
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN.
NO FATHER NO SON, NO SON NO FATHER! Well clear in
Matthew 11:26 All things are delivered to me by my Father. And
NO ONE KNOWS THE SON BUT THE FATHER:
NEITHER DOES ANYONE KNOW THE FATHER, BUT THE SON,
WHO THE FATHER IS, BUT THE SON
NOW READ THIS AND ACCEPT THE TRUTH:
and he to whom
IT SHALL PLEASE
THE SON
TO REVEAL HIM (THE FATHER)!
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
T8…..right off thE get go you change the text to fit you conclusion, please show us the scripture that say “before Abraham I was was born. IT REALLY SAY BEFORE ABRAHAM , I AM
I am = ego eimi
Ego eimi (Ancient Greek: ἐγώ εἰμι Greek pronunciation: [eɡɔ̌ː eːmí]) “I am”, “I exist”, is the first person singular present active indicative of the verb “to be” in ancient Greek.
You’ve been debunked Gene.
CARMEL…..THAT WAS THE SPIRIT SPEAKING THROUGH the man Jesus,
Nick teaches that Jesus is not the Christ, rather was an ordinary man like him and us. The Christ is a different entity namely the Spirit. Is this what you believe too?
T8……Jesus “himself” is not the anointing spirit he had on him. There in lies your error, you believe Jesus is the anointing spirit, Jesus the “anointed” one, not the anointing spirit of God. No wonder you lack true understanding. It’s not Jesus in all and through all, it’s God that’s in all and through all. God is spirit and can indwell all of us by the same spirit he indwelled Jesus with. T8 you need to do some serious study. Jesus is a human being who GOD the Father by his spirit was in, why do you think Jesus said the Father was in him, how was he “in” him? Nick was right you are wrong brother.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
carmel…..Jesus never said “he” was the word, In fact he said the c words he was speaking were not his words. Is that c anothe r scripture you have thrown out of you bible, to try to make Jesus be something he never said he was. Jesus spoke to us God the Fathers words, remember?, the words I Am telling you are “NOT” MY WORDS, but t h e words of him who sent me.
Hi Gene,
“The Words… …are spirit,” (John 6:63)
“the Spirit, which is “The word” (Ephesians 6:17)“For I have not spoken of myself (“The Word” is not me); but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.” (John 12:49)Its nice to see we agree on some things. Yes, “The Word” (Ho-Logos) is not Jesus at all,
The words are spirit – meaning “The Word” (Ho-Logos) is God’s HolySpirit – Jesus’ Father!Peace and love to you and yours. ………Ed J
GOD AND HIS WORDS ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING
Hi Gene,
Yes, God and his Spirit are one and the same thing too…
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Spirit,
and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own?
and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing
in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts 5:3-4)Peace and love to you and yours. ………..Ed J
T8……Jesus “himself” is not the anointing spirit he had on him. There in lies your error, you believe Jesus is the anointing spirit, Jesus the “anointed” one, not the anointing spirit of God.
What a load of bull as usual Gene.
I believe he was and is the Christ. He was the Christ his whole life here on earth including right at the beginning in the City of David.
I do not believe and have not taught that he is the anointing, but the anointed.
Honestly, after all that time and you say that. I believe you shouldn’t be teaching at all. Teachers will be judged more harshly than others. So it is not for everyone. You need to be careful.
Gene,
Did ever Jesus call Mary, MOTHER?
Definitely not.Does that mean that Mary is not His mother with respect to the scripture?
Hi Carmel,
You are presenting a logic fallacy.
I never said: I was never a caterpillar,
does that mean I could have been one?TC……HAVEN’T YOU NOTICED, what you say doesn’t even agree with ANTHONY OR CARMEL either ?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
You are presenting a logic fallacy. You agreeing with Jodi PROVES NOTHING!
If being in agreement means that you hold the truth, then the JW’s
knocking on your door have it – because they all agreeEdj…..where have I ever said me agreeing with Jody, makes us right? I never said that. Do I believe she is right on, yes I do, but that just makes us in agreement, with each other, where have I taken it beyond that. The only one takin it beyond that point are you people not us. Do we believe we have the holy spirit guiding our thoughts yes we do, do you believe you do,I think so, and I think everyone here does also. Time will tell right?
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
T8…..do you not believe JESUS IS THE WORD, THAT THE WORD BECAME FLESH? IN THAT YOU HAVE SEPERATED JESUS from the rest of humanity. Made him a “preexisting being” , so tell us who was this prexisting being you say is the word himself. You preach the word became flesh, I have ask you before several times how does “any” word become flesh? How did the word break away from God and become a seperate being?
I have shown you where Jesus said clearly the words he spoke to us were not “his words” but you say he is and was the word of God, but no proof, just conjecture on you part.
As reguarding him being Anointed, when did that occur, you say at berth, but no record of any anointing at his berth, but we do have a record of him being anointed at around 30 years old, so show us where he was anointed with the holy Spirit “twice” no scripture I know of say he was anounted twice, but scripture sure does show him being anounted “once” at the Jordan river, now don’t they?, and from there sent out into the world with power, to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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