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T8……you or no one else hear has ever seen a flesh word, please if you have , I would like to “see” that. GOD’S WORD became flesh when?, it was when Jesus a flesh man came into his “only” true existence, it was the word of God fulfilled, that became the flesh man jesus. But that never ever made Jesus himself God’s word , as your “mystery religion” teaches.
As far as what’s steering you, it’s your “captivated” will, nothing free about it. You are held captive by your wrong thoughts. As all false teachers are, but those of the truth, are “lead by the spirit of truth”. Nothing free about that either.
For it is God that work “in” us, “both” to “will”, and do of his good pleasure’. Your refusal to except what Jodi and I have said , only shows your lack of true understanding T8.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Gene. You hold yourself and Jodi up as the beacon of truth. If course we would rather listen to the scriptures instead. It would be foolish for anyone to follow you guys and I don’t see this happening.
Scripture will always trump your own understanding. But you can be free from this most human of conditions. Let the scriptures renew your mind and flush out the false ideas. You could start with believing every word in this scripture as you are free to choose to believe even though you do not believe it is possibleFor unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Gene.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.Hi T8,
I understand how they understand that verse. They’re saying that verse is Prophetic;
and then tie it to Romans 4:17 to explain away the clearly worded “Present Tense”.Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,)
before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead,
and calleth those things which be not as though they were.They say that verse calls him the Messiah “BEFORE” he actually is the Messiah.
And Jesus picked up the mantel of messiah “AFTER” his baptism in the Jordan.But there are other verses that are not so easily explained away. Those are my focus.
They need to explain exactly “how” those verses fit into into their scheme of understanding.
Instead they keep repeating what we already know, because they keep repeating it 1,000,000 times.____________
God bless
Ed JHi Gene
John 8:
14 Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going, but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.16 And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. 17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
These scriptures are really talking to you Gene.
God bless
Edj……The present tense is, “this day is born unto you”, the rest was to fulfill the prophesy give Israel. Common sense should tell you Jesus was not anointed that day as a Messiah, and even if you believed that ,then why would he have to be anointed again ? OR do you and T8 Deny he was “anointed” with the holy spirit at the Jordan, after he was babtized? Did not a voice from heaven say (after his anointing) “this is my son hear you him”.
Jodi and I have both shown you clearly from many, many, many scriptures the truth, and you just hold on to a single statement by an Angel , while another Angel said ” he “shall be” called . All future tense. So to you one angel says one thing and another say it differently, seem you have another delima on your hands.
Maybe I should ask you a yes/no question like did an angel say “shall be called”,
You people act like that event never happened, like it was nothing because to you he was already the anointed massiah at birth , can’t you even put it together, if Jesus was the messiah already, then why didn’t he perform any mircales, why was he not already sent to preach the Gospel, after all he had a good ten years from 20-30 to be doing it. Why did Go wait till after he was anointed as the Messiah of God to test him in the wilderness, and after that send him out into the world to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
We have never deny that at birth Jesus was the one who would become the Messiah of God, and the savior of mankind, but common sense tells you he wasn’t that till it happens, even though it was his appointed destiny.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene,
You need to separate the flesh of the Messiah from God (the Word) in him.
1 Cor 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that SPIRITUAL Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ (anointed one).
Me: The Word that followed and spoke to Moses was the Word (spirit) or Messenger of God and was God (John 1:1-2). He could express himself visually in different milieus.
Weymouth New Testament
John 1:14 And the Word came in the flesh, and lived for a time in our midst, so that we saw His glory–the glory as of the Father’s only Son, sent from His presence. He was full of grace and TRUTH.https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/4-2.htm
Jubilee Bible 2000
1 John 4:2 In this know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Christ is come in flesh is of God:
Darby Bible Translation
1 John 4:2 Hereby ye know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses thet Christ come in flesh is of God;Later after Jordon on the mount where the transfiguration occurred:
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: hear him.
Me: Wasn’t Christ the already the son of God when these words were spoken.
Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Me: Likewise, the Messiah was the son of God before Jordan. His father was well pleased with him before this point.
New American Standard Bible
Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of GOD toward us, because that GOD sent his only BEGOTTEN SON into the world, that we might live through him.
Me: He was called the son of God at conception BY GOD. Look at 1 John 4:9 carefully. Notice the highlighted words GOD and SON. The Messiah was called the Son of God by his Father at conception.
Gene
What was anointed with power at Jordan was not the Word in the Messiah but the human mind of the Messiah as bonded to the Word of God in him. The Word in the Messiah did not need to be empowered, for the Word in the Messiah was God (John 1:1,14).
Edj……The present tense is, “this day is born unto you”, the rest was to fulfill the prophesy give Israel.
Hi Gene,
The present tense is also, “who is Christ the Lord”
Maybe I should ask you a yes/no question like did an angel say “shall be called”
Hi Gene, don’t think I have to answer your questions, but you can ignore mine. OK, let’s play…
Gene: did an angel say “shall be called”
Ed: “Yes”Ed: Are you saying Jesus was not The Son of God”at his conception? “Yes” or “no” ?
Instead they keep repeating what we already know, because they keep repeating it 1,000,000 times.
It’s what people do who are only interested in winning an argument vs those who want the truth to win so they can become better.
T8…..Is that not what you and others are doing? The difference is we have given you many scriptures to support what we are saying, you on the other only produce one sentence. Jodi and I have went through so many scriptures clearly explaining them, over and over, that anyone should understand the truth, but you people refuse to acknowledge them even though they are clearly written in our text, that even the uneducated should understand them.
But I do agree it is all a waste of time, , “unless the LORD shall build the house the weary builders build in vain”.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene
You said: The difference is we have given you many scriptures to support what we are saying, you on the other only produce one sentence.
Me: I guess you haven’t been reading my post then. When you do read my post you don’t even mention the things a post you go off in a different direction with it.
God bless
Gene: did an angel say “shall be called”
Ed: “Yes”Ed: Are you saying Jesus was not The Son of God”at his conception? “Yes” or “no” ?
Gene,
I answered your question, now will you kindly answer mine?
But I do agree it is all a waste of time, ,
How could you even know what’s a waste of your time, if you don’t have a “Free Will” ???
Anthony, I know it’s a waste of time by the “spirit of truth ” given me. My suggestion to you Anthony is throw away all the ‘mystery religion” garbage you have been taught over the years and start afresh brother. You have been feed a pack of lies, if you WORSHIP Jesus as YOUR GOD, YOU HAVE REJECTED THE “FIRST COMMANDMENT” , and trust me anyone who does that, will not be accepted by the FATHER. Idolatry is not excepted Anthony.
ANTHONY, Jesus has a GOD, AND TRUST ME IT WAS NOT HIMSELF, it is the same God we (true believers) have. If you don’t have that right yet, all the other stuff means nothing, go back and read what I wrote on 2ths2 explained, or just study it yourself and remember the false “image” you pepole have created of JESUS is what bei g spoken of there, it turns our perception of him into a God, which creates the “man of sin” written there, which he will himself by his own mouth will abolish at his return. My hope is that you can come to see that Anthony.
You have been warned, let him who has an ear hear.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene: did an angel say “shall be called”
Ed: “Yes”Ed: Are you saying Jesus was not The Son of God”at his conception? “Yes” or “no” ?
Gene?
Anthony, I know it’s a waste of time by the “spirit of truth ” given me. My suggestion to you Anthony is
throw away all the ‘mystery religion” garbage
you have been taught over the years and start afresh brother.
Gene, What would you suggest, since
the mystery religion is a GARBAGE,
WITH RESPECT TO SCRIPTURES hereunder?
Shall we throw away scriptures, and accept blindfolded what you’ve been given by
YOUR spirit of truth?
Matthew 13:11 Jesus answered them, “To you, it has been granted to know
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven,
but to them it has not been granted.
Ephesians 3:9 And to enlighten all men, that they may see what is the dispensation of
the mystery which hath been hidden
from eternity in God who created all things:
Colossians 1:26 The mystery which hath been hidden
from ages and generations, but now is manifested to his saints, 27To whom God would make known the riches of the glory of
this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ, in you the hope of glory.
1 Corinthians 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery,
a wisdom which is hidden, which God ordained before the world, unto our glory:
BY THE WAY!
ISN’T YOUR SPIRIT OF TRUTH A MYSTERY?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ.
Carmel…..Yes but that mystery was what God had in mind for mankind, SENSE THE BEGINING OF HIS CREATION. That mystery was that a “human”, being would be born to mankind, that would save mankind from their sins, that “mystery” that was from the beginning, was made known to us all, through the GOSPEL MESSAGE.
That ‘mystery had nothing to do with another GOD, COMMING AND DYING FOR OUR SINS, as your mystery religion preaches. BUT I can see why you would use that termm because you religion is indeed a “mystery religion” that no one can clearly understand, even you people that preach it.
This would be better for you to understand, “come out of her, “that you recieve not of her plagues” yes the plague of a decieved mind, where that “mystery” still remains and always will, unless you repent of it.
Peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
n fact it’s had to know what you people believe because you all differ from one another, haven’t you noticed me and Jodi say the same things over and over. Being accused of saying the same thing over and over, why?
Because the truth dosen’t change, it’s the same yesterday and today.
Gene,
Jesus is
THE TRUTH
Read hereunder and explain why Jesus changed His teaching, which according to you, since He did so,
IT’S NOT THE TRUTH
If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid (John 8:14)
“If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. (John 5:31)
The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil.
(John 7:7)
If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. (John 15:19)
Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (John 14:27)Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
I have come to bring fire on the earth, (Luke 12:49)
Honour thy father and [thy] mother: (Matthew 19:19)
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother (Matthew 10:35)
Peace and love In Jesus Christ
CARMEL…..I don’t know what you are driving at, Jesus never counterdicted himself. Those scriptures are easy to understand in the proper contexts they were used. They make perfect sense to me.
Do you want to descuss anyone of them, I can easely explain them to you. For example Jesus said if a man come to me and “hate” not his father, and mother, and wife, and childern, and brethern, and sisters, Yea, and his own “life” also, he can not be my deciple.
The key to understand that is to understand, he was not talking about “hating” the person, he was talking about their “lives”, and our “lives” also as to the way we live, if we don’t grow to hate our lives how will we ever change? Or give up this life?, Therefore he says, whosoever loves his life, will losse it, whosoever hates his life will save it. Why because we are willing to change if we hate our lives, we will not change If we love our lives, why?, because we like it the way it is.
Remember, Carmel, WHT Paul said “that good thing I should do, I don’t do, but that thing I would not do, that I do, “O” wretched man that I am , who can deliever me,from this body of death, he thanked God , that through Jesus Christ, he would be delievered. The same thing applies to us brother.
Peace and love to you and yours……..gene
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