The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

[Anthony]

Hi All

It seems to me only fair to Jesus to listen to what he said about who he was. Let me tell you about one event in his life, that you can read about in the gospel (the biography) of Jesus written by John. Jesus called himself “I AM”, and the people listening picked up rocks and tried to stone him! Why? Because “I AM” is the Old Testament name for God, and the people listening understood that Jesus was indeed calling himself God.

So you see, that’s what Jesus had to say about himself—not that he was a great teacher, but that he was much much more than that.

Now of course, anyone can say that they’re God! The amazing thing about Jesus is that he backed up what he said with what he did. It’s hard to examine Jesus’ life and think he’s just a great historical figure. His miracles are astounding. He healed people, he brought them back from the dead, he changed water into wine, he even walked on water.

My point is this—a great man, a great moral teacher, wouldn’t have made the claims that Jesus made, and wouldn’t have had the power to do the things that Jesus did.

God bless

[Anthony]

Gene and Jodi

Try doing the things that Jesus Christ did, you say you have just what He has.

God bless

Didn’t work!

[Proclaimer]

John clearly tells you that he KNOWS prophecy, he KNOWS who Jesus is ACCORDING to prophecy.

You say he was an ordinary man like any other man before his baptism. So how did John know who he was? How did he know he was not even worthy to tie his shoe laces. So what exactly did a pre-baptized Jesus have to warrant such things according to your doctrine?

[Proclaimer]

Let’s expose those under the influence of evil.

Did God create the universe  through the Son?

Yes / No.

Anything else is from the evil one. Up to you really. Your call.

I say yes.

Now let’s watch first hand how some will try to wriggle out of this by either refusing to answer because they know their answer is wrong or watch them post a lengthy post and hide the devil in the details.

[Anthony]

Hi All

T8 said:

Did God create the universe  through the Son?

Yes / No.

Anything else is from the evil one. Up to you really. Your call.

I say yes.

Me: I say yes

God bless

 

[Jodi]

Hi TC and ALL,

TC: His glorification did not happen at Jordan. When did it happened?

Berean Study Bible
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus AGAIN; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Jesus was the begotten son of God at his birth.  The Messiah was raised AGAIN as the begotten son of God from the dead.

ME: TC and ALL, he has raised up Jesus AGAIN, I like how you emphasize that word TC, however you are missing the fact that first there is Jesus and then Jesus is raised up, Jesus comes up out of the water being raised up receiving the Holy Spirit to a measure without limit in power of the Spirit and this occurrence is said by Jesus himself to be his anointing, and Jesus says he has been anointed specifically to accomplish certain things. 

Let’s see how that term “raised up” has been used in scripture,

2 Samuel 23:1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said,

Acts 2:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

The infant Jesus was the person to fulfill Isaiah 61, where he would be ANOINTED and SENT out being a Savior bringing people to glorify the LORD, of which he is not that LORD, he is the man anointed by the LORD.

TC and ALL, the above passages fit perfectly with David’s prophecies, Psalm 8 and Psalm 2, where first you have a son of David, first you have a man, a son of man, and then you have a Son of God, an anointed man. Psalm 8 says that God is mindful of a man, visiting a man, making that man a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Also from David you are told that his son is to receive his father’s throne for an eternity.

Here is another passage that should make the TRUTH obvious to you,

Deut 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

FIRST you have one from the people, a man, a son of man, THEN he is raised up a prophet. The infant Jesus was not a prophet yet. Jesus IS anointed at the river Jordan and he IS sent out for the purpose to PREACH the acceptable year of the LORD. Jesus speaks of himself as a prophet of whom his own people would not hear. 

Jesus also says,

Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

Isaiah 42 TELLS you that YHWH created heaven and earth and gave man the breath of life and a spirit to walk therein. Isaiah then says quoting YHWH, “I have CALLED him to righteousness, I will hold his hand and keep him for a covenant for the people, even a LIGHT for the Gentiles.”

Isaiah 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

Let’s look at John 8,

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

According to Isaiah Jesus is anointed, he is sent, he delivers the captives out of darkness, he is a light to the people, even the Gentiles.

28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

42 Jesus said unto them,If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Jesus tells you WHEN he was sent out into the world by God and how he was anointed with the Spirit to go out and perform God’s will.

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Jesus was NOT saying that he had seen Abraham, Abraham saw him in the future, Abraham saw his own seed who would become the Christ and bring salvation.

David also rejoiced seeing the day of his son, where God had promised He would make him into His own Son and not allow his flesh to see decay but give him eternal life.

Jesus in John 8 is speaking of his anointing and being sent, he is speaking of giving life to the people, he is speaking about his death and resurrection. David said that God would make his son a firstborn Son!

Jesus is speaking of being the firstborn of the dead, that is WHAT Abraham SAW and rejoiced in. 

Before Abraham’s coming Jesus comes into the world as firstborn from the dead.

There is nothing in all that Jesus says in John 8 that is Jesus trying to teach that he pre-existed, ARE YOU SO BLIND to not ignore the context and what Jesus has been speaking of before you get to verse 58??

ABRAHAM SAW Jesus’s day, and it would COME BEFORE Abraham’s.

John 8:58 (YLT) Jesus said to them, `Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham’s coming — I am;’

Jesus is LIFE, he is our source for eternal salvation, and BEFORE Abraham receives it Jesus can rightly say I AM the firstborn of the dead. 

This is exactly what David saw too, as it is exactly what God promised David.

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Jodi…..I say again, they simply don’t get it, because it is not “in” them.

None of those who hold Jesus as a prexisting being, or a God, or a Deity of somekind, before his birth on this earth will ever understand, and as long as they hold onto that  point of view, they simply are blind guides leading the blind.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

 

[GeneBalthrop]

T8……Your problem is with the word “through”. Why not make a study of that word.   More accurate should be ” for the sake of”.  YOU want us to become entrapped by the word ““through” which can be equally translated as a “by, for, “because of”,  a preposition denoting the channel of an act;  like for the “purpose of”.  That word can be bounced around so many ways as many of the Greek words used in our scriptures can, that where all the confusion comes from in many of our text, many of the scribes used words that fit their religious beliefs,  which was  “trinitarian”, that’s why your yes/no concept is entrapment especially if the word you use is like the Greek word “dia”.  Also that’s  why we’re told,  the sum of God’s words are truth, you can easely be lead down a wrong path by just taking some of scripture, because all must fit, and where God said “he “alone”,  and by himself created the earth and everything in it.  and where  Genesis shows us God was acting “alone” creating  everything. No one else was helping him do it  he did it “all” by his own Spirit and Power.

Jesus is the ultimate Goal God the Father has for all mankind. He is the prototype of all humanity and the very reason God created this earth and the whole universe. When we see Jesus as a fellow human being we should also see God’s purpose for “all humanity” being fulfilled in the “anointed” man Jesus.  He is what God the Father had and has in mind for us all.

You people preach a “Doctrine of Seperation”.  The true Jesus is a fellow human being, a “SON OF MAN”, who God has greately exalted,  he is the fulfillment of God the Father purpose for “all” humanity. If you or anyone else can’t see that then you simply are not of the truth.

Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

 

[Anthony]

Hi Jodi

You said: he has raised up Jesus AGAIN, I like how you emphasize that word TC,

Me: Your really Stretching it on this post Jodi. the phrase raised up is used in other places what does that have to do with it. So it’s used other places.

You said; YHWH created heaven and earth

Me: Jesus Christ is called YHWH here, it’s Jesus Christ that’s actually the creator of the heaven and earth. We do realize that the Father and his Only Begotten Son are one, there completely in unity.

You said : here another one Deut 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken

Me: yes Jesus Christ is a prophet king and  priest, yes He is the Messiah Jodi . Your almost got that right.

You said:

ABRAHAM SAW Jesus’s day, and it would COME BEFORE Abraham’s.

John 8:58 (YLT) Jesus said to them, `Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham’s coming — I am;’

Me: it’s apparent that Young by using the word coming means Abraham coming into the world, coming into existence ect. ect…  You said:Jesus is LIFE, he is our source for eternal salvation, and BEFORE Abraham receives it Jesus can rightly say I AM the firstborn of the dead.

Me: First and for most, the first born of creation. Then the first born of Mary then first born of the dead.

Me: I like how you pick and choose you version, as usual, cherry picking. After trying to twist the phrase ” raised up”, like I said that has nothing really to do with it. So the phrase is used other places. I’ll close with the versions I pick, you could have shown how other version wrote the verse, but you didn’t. And I think you know why you didn’t.

Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!”
ASV
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.
AMP
Jesus replied, “I assure you andmost solemnly say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am.”
AMPC
Jesus replied, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I Am.
BRG
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
CSB
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.”
CEB
“I assure you,” Jesus replied, “before Abraham was, I Am.”
CJB
Yeshua said to them, “Yes, indeed! Before Avraham came into being, I AM!”
CEV
Jesus answered, “I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am.”
DARBY
Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
DLNT
Jesus said tothem, “Truly, truly, I say to you— before Abraham came-into-being, I am”.
DRA
Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.
ERV
Jesus answered, “The fact is, before Abraham was born, I Am.”
EHV
Jesus said to them, “Amen, Amen, I tell you: Before Abraham was born, I am.”
ESV
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
ESVUK
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
EXB
Jesus answered, “·I tell you the truth [L Truly, truly I say to you], before Abraham was even born, ·I am!” [C A claim to deity; see comments at 8:24; 10:28.]
GNV
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.
GW
Jesus told them, “I can guarantee this truth: Before Abraham was ever born, I am.”
GNT
“I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”
HCSB
Jesus said to them, “I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am.”
ICB
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth. Before Abraham was born, I am!”
ISV
Jesus told them, “Truly, I tell all of you emphatically, before there was an Abraham, I AM!”
PHILLIPS
“I tell you in solemn truth,” returned Jesus, “before there was an Abraham, I AM!”
JUB
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
KJV
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
AKJV
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
LEB
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am!”
TLB
Jesus: “The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”
MSG
“Believe me,” said Jesus, “I am who I am long before Abraham was anything.”
MEV
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”.  MOUNCE
Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came to be, I am!”
NOG
Yeshua told them, “I can guarantee this truth: Before Abraham was ever born, I am.”
NABRE
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”
NASB
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
NCV
Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am!”
NET
Jesus said to them, “I tell you the solemn truth, before Abraham came into existence, I am!”
NIRV
“What I’m about to tell you is true,” Jesus answered. “Before Abraham was born, I am!”
NIV
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
NIVUK
‘Very truly I tell you,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’
NKJV
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
NLV
Jesus said to them, “For sure, I tell you, before Abraham was born, I was and am and always will be!”

God bless

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi Jodi,

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Me: Please answer the following which I have asked you before. So I am assuming, you being a good Christian as you are, must have forgot.

Luke 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy CHILD shall be called the Son of God.

Me: Jodi, explain to me how the Messiah is called the holy child in Luke 1:35 without the spirit of God in him.

Luke 2:39 And the CHILD grew, and WAXED STRONG IN THE SPIRIT, filled with wisdom: 40 and the “grace of God was upon him”. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was TWELVE YEARS OLD, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 AND ALLL THAT HEARD HIM WAS ASTONISHED at his UNDERSTANDING AND ANWSERS 48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?

Me: Jodi, explain to me how the child at twelve years old grew in the spirit if he did not have the holy spirit until Jordan. Explain to me how he went about doing his Father’s business if God was not his father until Jordan. Explain to me how he had astonished those that heard him if the spirit of God was not speaking through him.

Notice in verse 40 that “grace of God was UPON HIM“. This corresponds to the Spirit of God was upon the Messiah in Luke 3:22 and Isaiah 11:2.
1 Sam 19:23 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah

Me: Does this mean that Samuel did not have the spirit of God in him until then? NO, it means that God gave him an extra measure of the spirit and guide his walk. Neither did Jesus not have the spirit of God in him until Jordon

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Jodi, please explain to me why the spirit of God was in Samuel before the spirit of God was upon him and that the spirit of God was not in Christ until the spirit of God was upon him at Jordan.

Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Me: How can God be pleased with his son if he just became his son at Jordon? I believe his father was pleased with him up to that point.
Please answer all the scripture below. What does this mean to you?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth…8 He (John the Baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Me: The Messiah is the express or exact image of the mind of his Father and therefore is God. He was always that exact image and is always was called the Word of God. He had bonded with the human spiritual seed or of David. This seed grew in its bond with the Word and was completely bonded at the at the glorification with his Father in heaven.

New American Standard Bible
Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Me: The Word of God became one with flesh and was resurrected with a spiritual body.

[Jodi]

Hi Anthony,

YOU:Me: Jesus Christ is called YHWH here, it’s Jesus Christ that’s actually the creator of the heaven and earth. We do realize that the Father and his Only Begotten Son are one, there completely in unity.

ME: They are in complete unity because YHWH called the Son of Man, the offspring of Jesse INTO righteousness, the Son of Man walks with YHWH, he follows YHWH’s path, he follows YHWH’s will without failing BECAUSE YHWH rested His Spirit on a son of man.

Anthony, we are of ONE body with Jesus, we are JOINT heirs with Jesus, as an HEIR of YHWH receiving of His Spirit in order to walk perfectly in His path (the law proved we ourselves are incapable, Jesus teaches you by saying he himself could do nothing of himself, that only YHWH our heavenly Father is good).

The One True God, HIS NAME is YHWH and He is ONE person who can share His Wisdom, His Understanding, His Love, so that it can be taken into our spirits and we can walk righteously by Him.  He unites us, He unites His created beings to His Spirit in a measure that causes us to do His will.

EXACTLY why the Son of Man Jesus was ELECTED from the people, it was in order to wipe away our sins our death sentence, and bring us to salvation so that YHWH’s Spirit could be placed ALL IN each human to a measure that causes a perfect human, a type of human a Last Adam, which God created the world through and for. God’s purpose was for HimSELF to be ALL in ALL, and Jesus is the firstborn of those that are ALL in ALL.

 

[Jodi]

Hi Anthony,

YOU:Me: Jesus Christ is called YHWH here, it’s Jesus Christ that’s actually the creator of the heaven and earth. We do realize that the Father and his Only Begotten Son are one, there completely in unity.

ME: They are in complete unity because YHWH called the Son of Man, the offspring of Jesse INTO righteousness, the Son of Man walks with YHWH, he follows YHWH’s path, he follows YHWH’s will without failing BECAUSE YHWH rested His Spirit on a son of man.

Anthony, we are of ONE body with Jesus, we are JOINT heirs with Jesus, as an HEIR of YHWH receiving of His Spirit in order to walk perfectly in His path (the law proved we ourselves are incapable, Jesus teaches you by saying he himself could do nothing of himself, that only YHWH our heavenly Father is good).

The One True God, HIS NAME is YHWH and He is ONE person who can share His Wisdom, His Understanding, His Love, so that it can be taken into our spirits and we can walk righteously by Him.  He unites us, He unites His created beings to His Spirit in a measure that causes us to do His will.

EXACTLY why the Son of Man Jesus was ELECTED from the people, it was in order to wipe away our sins our death sentence, and bring us to salvation so that YHWH’s Spirit could be placed ALL IN each human to a measure that causes a perfect human, a type of human a Last Adam, which YHWH created the world through and for. YHWH’s purpose was for HimSELF to be ALL in ALL, and Jesus is the firstborn of those that are ALL in ALL. If we place Jesus in our hearts that means we recognize how YHWH placed His Spirit in Jesus’s heart. 

 

[Jodi]

To ALL,

Jesus said he WAS TAUGHT by God, he LEARNED from God, he could do nothing of himself.

Receiving of any measure of God’s Spirit is a manner of our human spirits LEARNING something from God, learning truth, learning character, learning to obey. 

YHWH created our human spirits to LEARN to walk in His ways perfectly.

Jesus was the only MORTAL HUMAN to fulfill righteousness, not missing God’s mark as a teacher instructs and guides. Unlike a human father, our heavenly Father does not fail with His will, with His instruction, because what is contained in His Spirit is the source, the ONLY source of righteousness, all that is true and good.

JESUS received it in the full measure needed for a human spirit to receive, in order to be MADE perfect, as an example for us. Paul died in faith knowing that he was going to receive it, the same as Jesus did. 

 

[Anthony]

Hi Jodi

You said: Jesus teaches you by saying he himself could do nothing of himself, that only YHWH our heavenly Father is good).

Me: that’s right Jodi the Father and Son are one. He does nothing without the Father. Yes He is good and the Son is good, without sin. I hope your not trying to make out that the Son is bad.

Jodi in your last post that I commented on and show you all other translation on John 8:58 you used YLT the only one that used coming you was trying to make out that John 8:58 was speaking about Abraham coming in the resurrection, which He will be, but that’s not what John 8:58 was speaking of. It’s speaking about Jesus Christ was before Abraham some versions say before Abraham was born, before Abraham existed, past tense: existed; past participle: existed, before Abraham was born. You omitted replying on my post on what we were talking about, and you cherry pick YLT, and by the way Young’s used coming as Abraham coming in to existed. Young’s had the same thoughts on this matter like the rest of the translation , their was alot of version I posted and could have put more with the same meaning. But you decide to cherry pick YLT which you interpret it wrong.

Your Interpretation about Jesus Christ is all wrong, you need a Doctor of Theology. lol

God bless

[GeneBalthrop]

To all,  do search on the Greek word “pro” 

“pro”,  is a primary preposition; “fore”, that is, in front of, prior (figuratively superior) to. Another words, Jesus was telling them he was “fore” that is, in front of,  Abraham in “importance”. 

Why would Abraham look forward to the day of Jesus  and saw it,  if Jesus already was alive, at the time of Abraham.

Anthony is presenting it the same way  as the “blind” Pharisies were, they thought he was talking about being “alive” before Abraham,  but this is the true question Jesus was dealing with.

John 8:53…..are you “greater then” our Father Abraham, which is dead? And the prophets are dead are dead: who make yourself , (out to be) . Jesus was dealing with who he was in importance compared to Abraham and the prophets.

Jesus was dealing with that question, it had “nothing”  to do with him being alive or not  before Abraham was.

He that has eyes to see let him see.

Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

[Anthony]

Hi Gene

I’m presenting it like it is Gene, I guess you can’t read if you got that out of my post. Read how all the other translation translates that verse.

By the way, did you talk to your teacher Jodi about this matter first?

God Bless. Someday you’ll grow up and start studying God’s words on your owe.

God bless

[Anthony]

Hi Gene

“Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so.”
I well remember those words from a song we sang at summer Bible School when I was about ten or twelve years old. Yes, we know God loves us because the Bible tells us so.
Probably the most oft-quoted and recognizable verse in all the Bible is John 3:16 which reads:
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Gene God loves us. God bless

[Proclaimer]

Let’s expose those under the influence of evil.

Did God create the universe  through the Son?

Yes / No.

Anything else is from the evil one. Up to you really. Your call.

I say yes.

Now let’s watch first hand how some will try to wriggle out of this by either refusing to answer because they know their answer is wrong or watch them post a lengthy post and hide the devil in the details.

What did I say and what happened.

We all knew it was going to happen right?

The silence and lack of honesty here is deafening.

Shameful IMO.

[GeneBalthrop]

Anthony,  I have studied scriptures for over 50 years, and read many books by scholars over the years,  and even had a magazine publish something I wrote on the false teachings of the “trinity” and I still learn new things as God reveals them to me.

Jodi is not my teacher, we agree because we both have the spirit of truth guiding us. That is why we are always saying the same things. we have never meet,  You people are not of God or you could easely understand what we are telling you.   You attack the truth just as your predecessors, the Pharisies did, thats how I know you are not of the truth, if you were you would agree with us, but it is evident you are not, of us.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

[GeneBalthrop]

T8…..Go do a study on the Greek  word “dia” , better yet, I have did it for you, go back and read reply 845524. 

Your using a word “wrongly” applied to that scripture, for an entrapment. You yes/no tory only works if the words used I  the text is indeed the right word, “through” is not the right words, unless you apply it as a resonance why he created the world, as in for the purpose off. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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