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Again Gene
Here some New Testament scriptures, thank God for is Progressive revalation:
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Matthew 1:18
This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph,1 John 4:15
We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.John 1:1 4
he Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.We are also taught that anyone or any teaching that says that Jesus Christ didn’tcome in the flesh is of the Antichrist.
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.God bless
Hi Gene
Scripture says that we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners
Psalm 51:5 states that we all come into the world as sinners: “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.” Ephesians 2:2 says that all people who are not in Christ are “sons of disobedience.” Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, saying that we are all “by nature children of wrath.” If we are all “by nature children of wrath,” it can only be because we are all by nature sinners — for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.Scripture speaks of humans as unrighteous from infancy
There are also verses which declare that we are all unrighteous from the time that we are born. Proverbs 22:15says “Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child.” Genesis 8:21declares, “. . . the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth. “The word translated youth, signifies the whole of the former part of the age of man, which commences from the beginning of life. The word in its derivation, has reference to the birth or beginning of existence . . . so that the word here translated youth, comprehends not only what we in English most commonly call the time of youth, but also childhood and infancy.”Humanity is often described in general terms as unrighteous
Unrighteousness is often spoken of in Scripture as something belonging to the human race as a whole. This implies that it is the property of our species. In other words, sinfulness is considered a property of human nature after the fall. Thus, it must be concluded that we are all born sinners, since we are all born human and sin is regarded as a property of humanity. In this vein, considerEphesians 2:1–3:And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
Paul is here reminding his Christians of what they were like before their conversion to Christ (“you were dead in your trespasses . . . in which you formerly walked”). Thus, all people, until and unless they are converted, are sinners. Paul goes on to make it absolutely clear that all Christians came from this state (“. . . we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh”) and that all non-Christians are still in this state (“. . . and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.”) Thus, Scripture regards all people before they are saved by Christ as sinners and thus deserving of punishment from God. Which is to say that from the inception of our existence, we are sinful.
In Psalm 14:2–3 we read: “The Lord has looked down from heaven upon the sons of men, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.” Here again we see unrighteousness as a property of the human race: “they have all turned aside . . . there is no one who does good.”
Job 15:14 similarly declares that sinfulness is a property of humanity: “What is man, that he should be pure, or he who is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?” Verses 15–16 then speak of the human race as a whole in shocking terms expressing our general corruption: “Behold, He puts no trust in His holy ones, And the heavens are not pure in His sight; How much less one who is detestable and corrupt, Man, who drinks iniquity like water!”
Jeremiah 17:9 says that “the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?” Wickedness is a property of the human heart. Ecclesiastes 9:3declares a similar truth: “. . . the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil, and insanity is in their hearts through their lives.” Again, the human heart is sinful, and therefore all humans are sinful.
These texts indicate, then, that human nature is corrupt. Therefore, even infants are corrupt because they are human. And if infants are corrupt, then this is the same as saying that we are born corrupt — which may, however, object that these texts speak nothing of infants, only those who are old enough to make moral decisions. All of those people are sinful, but this doesn’t mean that infants are.
This is an ingenious objection, but it does not succeed. First, the texts do not seem to restrict themselves to people who are old enough to make intelligent decisions. They seem to speak of human nature as a whole, a classification under which infants certainly fall. For if all mankind, as soon as ever they are capable of reflecting, and knowing their own moral state, find themselves wicked, this proves that they are wicked by nature.”
In other words, even if these verses were only speaking of people old enough to mentally understand sin, they would still be teaching original sin. For on that view, these verses would be saying that all people, as soon as they know good from evil, find themselves sinners. But if all people, as soon as they are capable of moral decisions, find themselves sinners, this proves that they are that way by nature.
“Why should man be so continually spoken of as evil, carnal, perverse, deceitful, and desperately wicked, if all men are by nature as perfectly innocent, and free from any propensity to evil, as Adam was the first moment of his creation?”
Infants die, therefore they are not innocent
Death — both physical and spiritual — is a result of sin (Romans 5:12; 6:23). Thus, death only comes upon those who have sinned. Since infants die, they therefore must be sinners. It could be objected that Christ was sinless, and yet He died. But He willingly gave up His life, and He did it to conquer the curse of death that we were under. In fact, God imputed to Christ our sins on the cross, and Christ died in punishment of those sins.If humanity is not born in sin, wouldn’t we expect there to be some people who have “beaten the odds” and never sinned?
If we are born innocent and good, why aren’t there at least some people who have continued in this state and remained sinless? The fact that everybody sins needs some explanation. The best explanation is that we are sinners by nature. Someone might argue that the reason all people sin is because society is sinful, and thus society renders it impossible for anybody to keep themselves entirely pure. But that only pushes the question back one step. How did society get sinful in the first place? If people are born morally good, then how did it come about that they congregated into socities that influence all people to sin?”God bless 🙏
Good Morning Carmel,
Jesus is the name given to a child whose “Genesis” is that of Abraham and David. (Matthew 1)
THIS Jesus is called God’s Only begotten Son. God had promised David that of the fruit of his loins according to the flesh He would make Himself a Son.
God’s WORD to David became fulfilled when the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus like a dove, and God said “THIS is my beloved Son”. Jesus later died, and when God raised him from the dead, as Acts says God’s promise was fulfilled as God had promised David that He would make his son into His firstborn Son. Jesus was raised the first human to receive eternal life, the first Son of many Sons, and we are told that when he returns to earth “we shall see him as he is because we shall be as he is.”
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The people beheld the glory of the anointed Jesus, who had “the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the LORD— 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.”
Jesus was FULL of Grace and truth because at the river Jordan he was made full of God’s Spirit and His power.
Luke 4:1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
This is WHEN the people beheld the glory of Jesus of Nazareth the only mortal human to have been born of God’s Spirit without measure, and it filled him with grace and truth.
Not only is the anointing of Jesus according to Jesus’s OWN words, and that of Isaiah, but Acts also tells us exactly when Jesus of Nazareth became the anointed.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and BEGAN from Galilee, AFTER the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly.
Jesus, the son of Abraham of whom the Christ would come from, Jesus the son of David who God would make into His own Son, had been born of a woman, born under the law and then he was BORN of God at the river Jordan, where we are directly told that the Spirit descended upon Jesus of Nazareth and God declared, “THIS is my beloved Son”. He had been born of God Spirit, the ONLY MORTAL full of the Spirit without measure for the purpose of being SENT out unto the people to PREACH God’s Gospel and perform signs and miracles.
Carmel, there is NO sending of some one of a kind spirit son known as God’s only begotten Son. The Son that God sent out into the world that He gave over to death, was the Son who He perfected through suffering, and we are to believe in him to obtain eternal life.
Jesus is the Son of Man who God made into His own Son by resting His Spirit upon him, making him born of the Spirit without measure, making him born of God. Jesus of Nazareth anointed with God’s Spirit with God being with him and in him, as according to Acts 10, is Jesus being the bread from heaven, upon that time Jesus was sent out not to do his own will as that of a man, but to carry out God’s will. By such Jesus came from heaven, he was sent directly by God to do God’s will. His acts were not his own they were God’s, such is why Jesus said seeing him was as seeing God.
Matthew 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The only begotten Son is the SON OF MAN who God placed His Spirit upon calling him into righteousness setting a seal upon him, where he would not fail, as God would hold his hand and keep him for a covenant for the people, a light to the Gentiles and God would not give this glory to another. (from Isaiah 42).
John 1:18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.
Of course Jesus of Nazareth is in the bosom of the Father, as God is with him and in him, the Spirit of God did in fact REST upon Jesus when it descended upon him at the river.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, `I told you, and ye do not believe; <strong>the works that I do in the name of my Father, these testify concerning me;…</strong>38 and if I do, even <strong>if me ye may not believe, the works believe, that ye may know and may believe that in me is the Father, and I in Him.'</strong>
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? <strong>the sayings that I speak to you, from myself I speak not, and the Father who is abiding in me, Himself doth the works;</strong>
John 6:39 `And this is the will of the Father who sent me, that all that He hath given to me I may not lose of it, but may raise it up in the last day;
Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He did anoint me; To proclaim good news to the poor, SENT me to heal the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance, 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.
When Jesus was anointed, made the Christos, being led by God’s Spirit to do God’s works and not his own, he was a SON OF MAN who was a master through that anointing.
Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
FIRST you have a son of Jesse, then you have the Spirit of the LORD rest upon him, THEN he is sent out into the world and is able to judge, forgive sins and heal.
Matthew 12:8 for the son of man is lord even of the sabbath.
God made the Son of Man into Christ the Lord. Jesus is the anointed lord exactly how Isaiah says he is, NOT because he pre-existed as an anointed lord and then came to exist as an infant. Carmel you have made Jesus into a false image and it is evident that when he returns, as the same as when he ascended and in the same manner, as we are directly told, you will surely deny him.
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this SAME Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
That Jesus was of incorruptible flesh and he is returning with incorruptible flesh. He is in fact the last Adam that we too shall be made into.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Gene:
You: …..YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT MEN ARE BORN SINNERS, is not true, men become sinners, they are not “born” sinners. If that were true then how could God judge us as sinners , I we were born that way.
WHERE did you ever get the idea that we are born sinners from, it sure is not scriptural. We are born into a sinfull world that is for sure, but to say the are born sinners, is not true, sin is not even applied to us until we reach the age of acountability. Only a fool would believe little children are sinners. IMO
Me: Again, you like Jodi do not answer the scripture posed to you but go on a tangent.
Romans 5:12 (bible Hub) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, by which (epi ho) ALL HAVE SINNED:
You like Jodi claim that man sins from WITHIN purely of his own. Then how can you say on the other hand that we are not born sinners. How was it possible for all men to have sinned but not Christ?
Answer:
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Me: All men were conceived in sinned. Only the first Adam and second Adam were not born sinners. The second Adam was tempted and yielded to sin. The second Adam was tempted and had not yield to sin. Why? It was because he is God that took on flesh. This was not the flesh with death in it, for it was the second Adam, the second man not of flesh like we have flesh. “All have sinned pertain to the lineage of the first Adam.
You: Your “trinitarian” driven bible hub, which you believe in is wrong.
Me: All the bibles and supplements have error in them. What bible do you quote from? The Jodi version.
You: If Jesus was any different then we are, he could not pay for our sins, he simply would not have qualified to. Because it was by man sin entered into the world therefore it had to be by A PURE man it was ATONED for, NOT A “HALF” GOD “HALF” MAN , OR MORPHED, pre-existing pre-anoibted being of some kind as you PEOPLE falsely preach.
Me: You miss the whole point of the gospel. We follow two minds of God when we are born again, one of the holy spirit and one of the humanity of Christ. So are we a half God half man creature?
You: Scripture say he was TEMPTED in all manner as we are, it also says, GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH SIN AS WE’ ARE, so Jesus could not obviously be a God..
Me: FALSE: You portray scripture falsely as you were falsely taught by man and not by God.
Numbers 14:20 And YHWH said, I have pardoned according to thy word: 21 But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of YHWH 22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have TEMPTED ME now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Me: Who was tempted?
Psalm 95:5 The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land. 6 O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before YHWH our maker. 7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers TEMPTED ME, proved me, and saw my work. 10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: 11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
Me: Who was tempted?
Heb 3:9 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Who was tempted?
Matt 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Me: Who was tempted? Was it not God in all these scripture?
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Me: So taking James 1:13 in context, God cannot be tempted means that God cannot be lured into sinning, not that God cannot be tempted or tested.
Young’s Literal Translation
2 John 1:7 because many leading astray did enter into the world, who are not confessing Jesus Christ coming in flesh; this one is he who is leading astray, and the antichrist.1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in ____flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/4-2.htm
has a blank space in 1 John 4:2
Quote: Interlinear Bibles are the most accurate translated forms of the Bible. These Bibles provide the literal translation for each word placed below the original Greek or Hebrew word (depending on the Old or New Testament context).
Me: Yes Gene, I do quote from bible hub because I believe it is the most accurate. Don’t attack the messenger if you do not believe the message.
TC…..I know, it was talking about God not ABLE TO BE tempted with sin. He wasn’t talking about, that we could not tempt God, Jesus even told satan thou shall not tempt the LORD your GOD. THAT wasn’t my point at all, you changed it, to something I was talking about, I was talking about those who say Jesus is a God or deity of some kind, I was meaning if he was then he could not be tempted with sin , but scripture say he was tempted in all manner of sin, just as we are, but was without sin. So that makes him a real human being just as we are only without sin, why because God kept him from sinning, from the time he became accountable for sin, and then when he was around thirity “anointed” him with the “holy spirit” and then sent him out into the world to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God , and backed him up with mircales of all kinds, which God the Father did through him. Which also bore witness of who he said he was.
Your rendition of “half God, half man”, is pure garbage, Jesus was a 100% perfected man, a true son of man exactly as we are, and he was a son of God the exact same way we are also. Why do you think it says Jesus was the first born “of “many” brothers”.
TC….ALL OF SATAN’S MINISTERS WANT TO MAKE JESUS APPEAR “DIFFERENT” then we are. That was Saran’s plan all along, and many if no most all have fallen for it, you people sure have.
Go read what I have written in the post , “2thes2 explained” and see where you fit.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene
You said:
TC….ALL OF SATAN’S MINISTERS WANT TO MAKE JESUS APPEAR “DIFFERENT” then we are. That was Saran’s plan all along, and many if no most all have fallen for it, you people sure have.
Go read what I have written in the post , “2thes2 explained” and see where you fit.
Me: what you written about 2Thes. 2 is nonsense, that your opinion, no more no less, nothing scriptural about it. It’s gabagabish.
God bless.
Hi Jodi and Gene
” Just what is progressive revalation”
Progressive revelation is the teaching that God has revealed Himself and His will through the Scriptures with an increasing clarity as more and more of the Scriptures were written. In other words, the later the writing the more information is given. Therefore, God reveals knowledge in a progressive and increasing manner throughout the Bible from the earliest time to later time. This makes perfect sense since we know that not everything God revealed to us was revealed right away.
This does not mean that earlier sections of Scripture are of inferior quality or are not as inspired as latter revelations. If this were the case, it would mean that the Old Testament is not as valuable and inspired as the New Testament. All Scripture is equally inspired (2 Timothy 3:16), but God has revealed his will with increasing clarity as more Scripture was written.
- Psalm 78:1-4, “Listen, O my people, to my instruction; Incline your ears to the words of my mouth. 2 I will open my mouth in a parable; I will utter dark sayings of old, 3 Which we have heard and known, And our fathers have told us. 4 We will not conceal them from their children, But tell to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, And His strength and His wondrous works that He has done.”
- Matthew 13:17, “For truly I say to you, that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it; and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.”
- Matthew 13:35, “so that what was spoken through the prophet might be fulfilled, saying, “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things hidden since the foundation of the world.”
- John 5:39, “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me.”
- Romans 16:25-26, “Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, 26 but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith.”
- 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, “but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom, which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
- Hebrews 1:1-2, “God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.”
- 1 Peter 1:10-12, “As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful search and inquiry, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to look.” God bless 🙏
Hi Anthony,
Yes, and what you didn’t mention is that the NT directly shows fulfillment of what was given in the OT.
DAVID saw his salvation through the fruit of his own loins, where that fruit would not see decay but eternal life, and that he too would be raised from the dead. David believed that God would make his son into God’s Son, and would make him the firstborn of many Sons.
Hi Jodi,
Your question should not be dodge, for it is a good question that needs to be considered and not buried under a maze of going on a tangent. So I will meet it head on.
Young’s Literal Translation
Acts 2:30 a prophet, therefore, being, and knowing that with an oath God did swear to him, out of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, to raise up the Christ, to sit upon his throne,Definition of loins:
LITERARY
the region of the sexual organs, especially when regarded as the source of erotic or procreative power.Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead …
Me: So the seed of David has the both physical and spiritual (Romans 8:27, Eph 4:23 > spirit and mind) qualities. So does the seed of Mary. For the seed of Mary plays a role.
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee (Satan) and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Me: This is warfare of the spirit. Thus, the seed of Mary and the seed of David are the spiritual aspects of their seeds passed on to Christ. The woman represents the church. The seed of the woman is the church with Christ as its head.
1 Cor 15:36 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
Me: The body given to Christ was not that with death inherited in it like we have (Romans 5:12). It was a body not weak in the flesh. It was transformed into a spiritual one at his ascension into heaven.
1 Cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain (seed):
Me: It will be a body of another seed, the holy spirit. Our bodies are not transformed like Christ’s was We will have different bodies of the holy spirit liken unto Christ’s.
1 Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Hi All,
American King James Version
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither has the eye seen, O God, beside you, what he has prepared for him that waits for him.Young’s Literal Translation
1 Cor 2:9 but, according as it hath been written, ‘What eye did not see, and ear did not hear, and upon the heart of man came not up, what God did prepare for those loving Him.Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us
Me: The blessing to be receive as born from the dead are incomprehensible and stupendous to our human minds. The Messiah nor we inherit flesh and bone bodies.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Gene:
You: TC…..I know, it was talking about God not ABLE TO BE tempted with sin. He wasn’t talking about, that we could not tempt God, Jesus even told satan thou shall not tempt the LORD your GOD. THAT wasn’t my point at all, you changed it, to something I was talking about, I was talking about those who say Jesus is a God or deity of some kind, I was meaning if he was then he could not be tempted with sin , but scripture say he was tempted in all manner of sin, just as we are, but was without sin. So that makes him a real human being just as we are only without sin, why because God kept him from sinning, from the time he became accountable for sin, and then when he was around thirity “anointed” him with the “holy spirit” and then sent him out into the world to preach the Gospel of the kingdom of God , and backed him up with mircales of all kinds, which God the Father did through him. Which also bore witness of who he said he was.
Me: Gene, I do not think even you know what you are talking about.
You wrote: Scripture say he was TEMPTED in all manner as we are, it also says, GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH SIN AS WE’ ARE, so Jesus could not obviously be a God.
Just prior to that, you wrote:
I know, it was talking about God not ABLE TO BE tempted with sin. He wasn’t talking about, that we could not tempt God, Jesus even told satan thou shall not tempt the LORD your GOD.
Me: Your whole point was that since Jesus was tempted in all manner like we are, he cannot be God. My point is that the Father himself was tempted or tested, and he is God. So your point is pointless. I showed you the scriptures to back it, namely:
New American Standard Bible
Heb 3:9 WHERE YOUR FATHERS TRIED Me BY TESTING Me, AND SAW MY WORKS FOR FORTY YEARS. 10 “THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SAID, ‘THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY DID NOT KNOW MY WAYS’;Matt 4:7 Jesus said to him (the devil), “On the other hand, it is written, ‘YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.‘”
Exodus 17:2 So the people contended with Moses, “Give us water to drink.” “Why do you contend with me?” Moses replied. “Why do you test YHWH”
Duet 6:16 Do not test the LORD your God as you tested Him at Massah.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
New American Standard BibleMe: Both the Father and the son of God were tempted or tested.
Gene:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (expression), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 he same was in the beginning with God.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Me: God and his Son are one.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Me: The Word of God is how he expresses himself. He expressed himself in the flesh of the lamb of God.
Young’s Literal Translation
Heb 3:9 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare (or express).TC…..What your trying to do is make the “man” Jesus the same as God, that is your cinfusion, what I said was the “man”, Jesus was tempted by sin the same way we are. GOD IS NOT ‘TEMPTED ” TO SIN. BUT the man Jesus was, the same as we are, but overcame the same way we must, with the help of God, we are being created unto good works, the exact same way Jesus was, by the spirit of the living God.
Rev 3:21……”To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, “even as I have overcome”, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
But you preach a Jesus that is not exactly like we are, you move him away from his human existence and try to make him a God. You believe Jesus was a prexisting being deity of somekind. I believe The anointed man Jesus, came into his very as a human being , who did not pre-exist as some other being of somekind. You deny his comming into his “only existence” as a flesh and blood born human being.
In so doing you Preach A JESUS that is, “SEPERATE” FROM from man kind as well as his fellow human BROTHERS AND SISTERS .
That means you truly deny he came in the flesh , because believe he was morphed from a different state of existence, and in that way you are denying his flesh existence, you do not see Jesus as a fellow human being “exactly as we are”. You see a God who desguised himself as a human being, came to earth, and then went back to becoming a Spirit God again, the way he was before he came and desguised himself as a man.
You as all trinitarians deny he is still a flesh born son of man, But those of the truth are looking for the return of the “SON OF MAN” you on the other hand arn’t looking for the return of a Son of man. But Jesus told us, to look for the return of the “Son of man”, even saying this, when the “Son of Man” returns will he find ‘faith’ on the earth, and again ” then they shall see the “son of man” comming with great power and glory.
You not looking for a son of man to return , you are looking for a SPIRIT BEING, of somekind TO RETURN.
And you believe you are not a “ANTICHRIST “.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
Hi Gene
You said: TC…..What your trying to do is make the “man” Jesus the same as God, that is your cinfusion, what I said was the “man”, Jesus was tempted by sin the same way we are,
Really, Me: Christ Jesus was indeed “God,” and He was the “Logos” (who was “God), it was impossible for Jesus to actually sin no matter what He did or did not do. This was true because God sets all rules and He can do what He pleases in heaven or earth without anyone calling Him to the bar of judgment.
Understand this point carefully: Jesus was reckoned sinless by the apostles not because of what He did or did not do in the flesh, but because of who He was! And because He was indeed “God in the flesh,” it was impossible for humans ever to reckon the slightest sin in Him. Of course, Christ was morally and ethically upright in all things He did, but His sinlessness must always be evaluated by who He was, NOT because of what He did or did not do!
Let us look at this matter more closely. If Christ was “God” and his name was Immanuel, “God With Us” (Isaiah 7:14),Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. (Isaiah 8:8)
“Then it will sweep on into Judah, it will overflow and pass through,
It will reach even to the neck;
And the spread of its wings will fill the breadth of your land, O Immanuel. (Matthew 1:23) “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which translated means, “God with us.” Showing that He indeed was “God” — then it was impossible for God to sin. God blessHi Gene: Your post was a good one and is right on the money. Let me supplement and complement it a little.
Correction, obviously I meant:
Hi ANTHONY and not Gene, your post was a good one and is right on the money. Let me supplement and complement it a little.
Gene:
You: What your trying to do is make the “man” Jesus the same as God, that is your cinfusion, what I said was the “man”, Jesus was tempted by sin the same way we are. GOD IS NOT ‘TEMPTED ” TO SIN. BUT the man Jesus was, the same as we are, but overcame the same way we must, with the help of God, we are being created unto good works, the exact same way Jesus was, by the spirit of the living God.
Me: Of course, true to form, you did not address the scriptures I had quoted. Who did the people of Israel tempt or test in Exodus 17:2 and Duet 6:16? You have NOT answered that.
Matt 4:7 Jesus said to him (the devil), “On the other hand, it is written, ‘YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.‘”
Me: The devil was testing or tempting the Messiah, wasn’t he? Had not the devil tempted Christ as THE Son of God who is God. The devil did not address the Messiah as the son of man in the verse just prior, but the son of God. He had acknowledge him as God’s son. This is something you have not.
Neither have not addressed what Rev 19:13 in conjunction with John 1:1 mean concerning the Word of God. The Son of God includes the Word of God in him.
You: But you preach a Jesus that is not exactly like we are, you move him away from his human existence and try to make him a God. You believe Jesus was a prexisting being deity of somekind. I believe The anointed man Jesus, came into his very as a human being , who did not pre-exist as some other being of somekind. You deny his comming into his “only existence” as a flesh and blood born human being.
Me: Gene, you believe falsely and accuse falsely just like your father. The Word of God is God and existed from eternity. He took on the tent and mind of man and together are God and the son of God as one being.
Young’s Literal Translation
Heb 10:5 Wherefore, coming into the world, he saith, ‘Sacrifice and offering Thou didst not will, and a body Thou didst prepare for me,Me: Gene, tell me, who “me” is in Heb 10:5. Did not the Word pre-exist the Word together with its tent? The Word or expression of God came into the world and acquired a body? Was he a man purely like us? NO!!!!!
You said: In so doing you Preach A JESUS that is, “SEPERATE” FROM from man kind as well as his fellow human BROTHERS AND SISTERS .
That means you truly deny he came in the flesh , because believe he was morphed from a different state of existence, and in that way you are denying his flesh existence, you do not see Jesus as a fellow human being “exactly as we are”. You see a God who disguised himself as a human being, came to earth, and then went back to becoming a Spirit God again, the way he was before he came and disguised himself as a man.
Me: No Gene, I never said what you just subscribed to me just now. The Word did not morphed himself into a man but took on the addition of a human mind and body. That addition is called THE Son of God. Together, the father and his son (the Word that became one with flesh) are one person. This is like we who took on a Godly mind in which our fleshly minds bond to.John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
Me: As you should see, the Father and Son are one person, not two.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty AND the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
There is one temple or body here. It is inhabited by the lamb and his Father—one being.
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