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Hi T8,
YOU:What about the point that some here teach as a rule that Jesus is never the Christ because the word Jesus on its own in the Bible refers only to a man (without the anointing) like anyone else here.
ME: Jesus refers to Jesus, and Jesus was anointed by God, as scripture directly tells you t8.
Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit, scripture directly says it. I believe it, and I am happy to repeat it.
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and BEGAN from Galilee, AFTER the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
Mark 1:1 The BEGINNING of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee….9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
NOW WHY t8, did Mark give the account of the baptism and the Spirit descending upon Jesus AS the BEGINNING of the gospel of Jesus the Anointed the Son of God? … where he then gives the account of the Spirit descending upon Jesus and God says ” Thou art my beloved Son”?
Explain this passage below t8, where FIRST you have Jesus and THEN you have him MADE by God a master and the anointed, and why is the house of Israel specifically given this message t8? You don’t think it has anything to do with the promises God gave to the house of Israel concerning the Son of Man of the tribe of Judah? …where God would rest His Spirit on the descendant of Jesse, giving him the Spirit of Council and Might, and make him into a judge?
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Oh yeah. I ask a simple question and it gets replied by two essays that do not attempt anywhere to provide the answer. I will ask again and if I get the run around, I will escalate it to the Hot Seat forum.
My question will be simplified further in the next post and a simple answer is required addressing the question only.
Gene.
If Jesus was just like you as you say, and was without the Holy Spirit till Jordan, why are you not called Gene the Christ if you are the same as Jesus and later claim to have received the very same Holy Spirit?
Same question to you Jodi see above. Why are you not Jodi the Christ…
Hi t8,
So you can’t answer my question, you respond with things are a mystery to you, though scripture clearly connects for me, that is interesting.
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
You know what, I feel embarrassed at the moment, I see something I didn’t realize before that is just incredibly obvious. A simple argument I didn’t see.
In this passage the firstborn is PART OF creation not the creator of it.
Furthermore, if one actually likes to keep scripture in context, Paul is speaking OF the one who shed his blood, the one that God made PERFECT thus obviously into His own image, and at the time of Paul’s writing had in fact been raised firstborn of the dead, so OBVIOUSLY the creation Paul is speaking of here would be the New beginning, the first to be brought forth into God’s kingdom. Rather uncanny that is what Paul happens to reiterate exactly a few passages later!
The very creation that God had purposed the first creation to become, starts with the Son of David, the perfected Son of Man who God raised from the dead and gave eternal life to. Such is exactly why scripture speaks of a FIRST ADAM and a LAST ADAM. The first creation of the first Adam is sin and death, and the last creation of the last Adam, is righteousness and eternal life. God is good, man can learn from Him, man can be made into His image, such is what we learn from Jesus who was made perfect through being anointed with God’s Spirit. Make NO MISTAKE Jesus the Son of Man, has eternal life BECAUSE God perfected a HUMAN (an ADAM), to say anything otherwise is to take away the glory of God and the glory God made man to have.
t8, when will you stop ignoring the fact that scripture directly says that first you have Jesus then you have an anointing???
Hi t8,
Why am I not called Jodi the Christ? You really think this is a smart question, a good jab?
Jesus the Christ was anointed with the Spirit in full measure and power, where he could perform signs and miracles, raise the dead, remain without sin. Through his anointing of the Spirit to this measure, he was the only mortal Son of Man who could be called the Only Begotten Son.
Paul was an apostle which I don’t either claim to be, what I will claim though is Paul’s words, ” O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Jodi.
You can’t have it both ways.
First you disagree that Jesus was the Christ in the City of David. While it is written, you claim to know better and say that he wasn’t the Chtist because Christ means anointed. Thus at the Jordan he became the Christ, so he was Jesus Christ. Whereas before that as a man without the Spirit, he was Jesus or Jesus of Nazareth.
So my question is a fair one.
You claim to be a Believer no doubt, so that means you must believe that you have been given God’s Spirit too right. So if Jesus was the Christ because of the Holy Spirit, then why aren’t you? Yet in your defence you basically say that he was given more of the Holy Spirit than you.
So let’s recap your teaching.
Jesus was a created being like us, but he received a full measure of the Spirit whereas those that followed him received a part measure. Thus being the Christ is defined as the full measure of the Spirit not any less. But where does it say that? Up till now you guys have claimed that he was the Christ because he was anointed. Now it has changed to annointed the most or anointed fully? Then you give examples of what Jesus did as saying that makes him the Anointed, yet scripture says greater works will some do. And these signs you mention, they were also done by others besides Jesus.
So your saying now that Jesus is a man, but Jesus Christ is the Christ because he received the full measure whereas no one else is the Christ because they received less of the Spirit?
Why am I not called Jodi the Christ? You really think this is a smart question, a good jab?
It was a smart question because I was using your own teaching as the platform that led to the question.
Up till your last post, you guys have been saying that Jesus was only the Christ once he received the Holy Spirit. Now it seems that you have added in a new definition to preserve this view which has to do with the MEASURE of the Holy Spirit. Gene, do you approve of this new definition?
Hi Jodi and Gene
You neglect to see that Christ is a translitralion of the word Messiah,The Annoited One. The wise men follow the star to offer gifts to the One that fullfilled Old Testament scriptures of the coming Messiah, the King of the Jews, The Lord Our Righteousness, which the Jewish people rejected and so do you. When you see Christ you see the Messiah, each and every time. I in no way deny that Christ took on the form of man to die for the sins of the whole world. I don’t deny that Christ was Baptized by John, which full filled Old Testament prophesy of John preparing the way for the, Christ, that Christ should be made manifest to Israel. The Spirit descending from heaven like a dove,and that Christ shall baptize with the Holy Spirit. John saw and bare record that Christ is The Son of God. Behold the Lamb of God. Andrew who heard John speak, said to his brother, we have found the Messiah, which is , being interpreted, The CHRIST.
Micah 5:2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?”.”
Matthew 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,
Matthew 2: 5 They said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea; for this is what has been written by the prophet
Matthew 2:6 ‘And you, Bethlehem, land of Judah,
Are by no means least among the leaders of Judah;
For out of you shall come forth a Ruler
Who will shepherd My people Israel.’ John 7:42Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was”. Christ= The Messiah, The Annoited One.You deny that Christ is the Messiah, and took on the form of man, Flesh. His Father prepared a body. I think you know what is said about this, Anti-Christ.
God bless 🙏 believe the Word
T8…..You preach a Jesus that is completely different then we are, Jesus sure didn’t preach that. In fact just the opposite is what scripture teaches, now read this very carefully if you can and let it sink in if you can. Then tell us what you think it means. Not to mention my last two posts which you seem unable to answer, but I will keep this short, and maybe you can answer it.
Eph 4:13……Till we all come in the unity of the Faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a Perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the “fullness” of Christ :
T8, this time please try to tell us what that means to you, if you can. I won’t brother you with the rest of what it says there, just trying to keep it short and simple for you.
Is Paul not saying we are to grow and become “exactly” like Jesus? Do you think that is possible without the anointing spirit of God on us? I just wrote a complete post about the “HOLY SPIRIT” THAT WAS SENT TO US, and scripture say Jesus recieved the HOLY SPIRIT AT THE JORDAN RIVER , in all four Gospels.
You on the other hand, have produced “No” scripture showing any ANOINTING OF RECIEVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT by Jesus, before his baptizm at the Jordan river. We have produced many scriptures showing Jesus’ anointing process, you none.
You do not even address our posts to you most of the time. Tell us straight out are you a preacher that preaches a Doctrine of “SEPERATION “. a doctrine that makes Jesus different then the rest of his brothers and sisters?
Peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
Good Morning All,
Hebrews 5:9 And BEING MADE perfect, he BECAME the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, WHICH SHALL BE to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Acts 13: 22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’ 23 “From this man’s descendants God has raised unto Israel the Savior Jesus, as He promised.
The angel spoke what SHALL BE concerning the INFANT Jesus, he would be MADE PERFECT by God, and it is by that he BECAME a SAVIOR.
God had made an oath concerning the descendant of David, the angel knew full well what that oath was and that the born Jesus was of that oath, and he spoke of the infant as what shall be according to that oath. Then we read later such was TRUE what the angel said concerning the infant Jesus as he became our savior through God perfecting him, and we learn that God is true.
ANTHONY…..No Christ did not come from the loins of king David the “man” Jesus did, and that man became the Christo’s after he was baptized by JOHN, which by the way you have right. He after his anointing became the ANOINTED ONE , OR MESSIAH OF GOD. WE LIKE JESUS must be born “again” Jesus was flesh and blood born just as we are, he was also born again of the spirit at the Jordan river after he was baptized by John, we also like him, recieve the holy spirit and are begotten after we are baptized and recieve the holy spirit of God , then we to become the sons of GOD, just as scripture says.
I see Jesus as a “perfected” human being, perfected by God the Father, I do not preach a Jesus that is “SEPERATE”, from the rest of his brothers and sisters. We are one in God the Father and Jesus our lord. We are joined together as one family. With one God and one mediator between GOD and men, the “man” Jesus Christ.
I see Jesus as a anointed human son of God , and I see all the saints of God as anointed human sons also. I do not “seperate” Jesus from his brothers and sisters, even through he is the “head ” and lord of all the house hold of God.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Good Morning All,
Acts 4: 27 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.
First you have Jesus then you have him being anointed,
1 “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. 2 He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. 3 A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; 4 he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his teaching the islands will put their hope.” 5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will MAKE you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, 7 to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. 8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another..
This passage is PROOF that Jesus didn’t pre-exist as the Creator of heaven and earth, he was brought forth called into righteousness BY the Creator of heaven and earth. He is one of the earth one chosen from the people God made and gives breath to, who God foreknew, who was of God’s determined purpose, knowing that He would perfect him through His calling and make him a covenant for the people having him shed his blood for our sins.
Hi Gene
Can you baptize with the Holy Spirit? Your just like Him and He’s just like you. Will you speak in tongues of Fire to the nations, and have your day of Pentecost like the Apostle. Do you bow to Christ and worship Him? Or does Christ bow to you? Your just like Christ and Christ is just like you. Can you forgive sins, like the Roman Catholic priest think they can do? Christ does. Do you believe that Christ came in the flesh? Did your Father send you in to the world to die for the sins of the world? Like Christ. Did you full fill Old Testament prophesy? Like Christ did? O wretched man. Is it Christ Grace or yours? O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord. Or is it ” I thank God through Gene Christ our Lord. Your just like Christ, are you? I need a healing for my health can you heal me?
Gene you really need to get with the program.
God bless 🙏 I’m praying for you.
Anthony……Could the deciples forgive sins? Could they raise the dead, heal the sick, like Jesus did? Did Jesus say those who believe could do greater works then he did? Does it not say , if any be sick among you, let him call the elders, and have them pray over you, and the prayer of faith shall save the sick? Did John say “if you see anyone commit a sin, if you pray to God to forgive him , it would be done? Anthony where did I ever say I was equal in position of Jesus, I never said that, you exaggerated what i said, I see Jesus as a human teacher, a human master, and believe what Jesus said ” the student is not above his teacher, it’s enough that the student, “be just like his teacher”. But you don’t see him as your teacher, you see him as your God or somekind of “preexisting” Deity , and worship him as such.
You have fallen for the big Lie, that Satan want’s you to believe, you have put Jesus on a pedastol perhaps even above GOD The Father, or at least equal with him to “seperate” him from his human roots. If you can’t see Jesus as a flesh son of man, then you deny his flesh existence, and as John you are a antichrist . Why do you think Jesus even had to be anointed with God’s HOLY SPIRIT, IF HE WAS ALREADY A PREEXISTING DEITY OR GOD.
Go read what I wrote on “2Ths 2 explained” that fits what you believe. YOU WORSHIP HIM AS A GOD, So you and others go around making him out to be a God, or somekind of DEITY, instead of a son of man who through the anointing spirit of God became a son of God, just like we can also be.
SATAN wants everyone to “SEPARATE” themselves from identifying exactly with Jesus on a human level. So he has his followers transform Jesus, into a “preexisting ” DIETY, they need to worship as a GOD.
ANTHONY go read what JODI has just written, and this time really think about it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
You said: ANTHONY…..No Christ did not come from the loins of king David the “man” Jesus did, and that man became the Christo’s after he was baptized by JOHN,
Me: are there two man now, one in Bethlehem,and another at Jordan.
He was Christ in Bethlehem, the Messiah’s place of birth. Read Mic.5:2 Matt. 2: 1- 6
God bless
Jodi you said: This passage is PROOF that Jesus didn’t pre-exist as the Creator of heaven and earth.
Hebrews 1:8 But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And: THOU IN THE BEGINNING, O LORD, DIDST FOUND THE EARTH; AND THE WORKS OF THY HANDS ARE THE HEAVENS.
11 They shall perish, but thou shalt CONTINUE: and they shall all grow old as a garment.
12 And as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: but THOU ART THE SELFSAME, AND THY YEARS SHALL NOT FAIL.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time: Sit on my right hand, until I make thy enemies thy footstool?
Rev.13:8 And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb,
WHICH WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
9 IF ANY MAN HAVE EAR, LET HIM HEAR.
Jodi and Gene, the above is PROOF that Jesus not only pre-existed but even as God,
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hebrews 5:9 And BEING MADE perfect, he BECAME the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
John4:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me,
THAT I MAY PERFECT HIS WORK.
Jodi,
What is the difference between the above scriptures?
Jesus being made perfect in Hebrews 5:9 ( declaration by Paul)
Jesus was sent to perfect GOD’S WORK in John 4:34 ( declaration by Jesus)
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
1 “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.
Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time:
Sit on my right hand, until
I MAKE THY ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOLS.
Jodi, WHO IS THE SERVANT IN THE ABOVE?
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
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