The Holy Spirit, a separate person, essence of God, or force?

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,12:09)

Ed, My fist will never on its own assault someone.  The BEING OF MIKE can assault someone USING his fist.  But the fist cannot on its own assault anyone. And if the Holy Spirit isn't the “entirety of YHVH”, then who is Jesus' Father?  Is a PART of the “entirety of YHVH” the Father of Christ?   The WHOLE God is not Jesus' Father, just a PART OF HIM that's not His “entirety”?  Please explain. mike

Hi Mike,

The entirety of God includes everything.
Lucifer/satan was part of the entirety of God.
The “HolySpirit” is the entirety of God minus satan.
satan did NOT play any roll (at all) in Jesus' physical birth.

Jesus was a fractal of the entirety of YHVH.
When we are baptized with the “HolySpirit”,
we become a fractal of the entirety of YHVH.
I hope you can understand this “Bible Truth”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

It seems to me, you guys are just having fun with this topic, and want to see how long, and how far you can strech it.
Where is the logic, where is your common sense, in what your saying?
If you can't figure out that your “mind” is “YOUR” spirit, then how in the world are you going to attempt to figure out what the “HOLY SPIRIT” is?
You might as well try to figure out which of your marbles is rounder.
You all try to appear as scholars, and experts; why not as your third grade children, they will give you the answer, because “YOU” don't make “ANY” sense at all.

Georg

[Tim Kraft]

Eph.4:4-6….Perfect applicable scripture Ed. Also maybe, John17:21….That they all may be ONE: as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be ONE in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me…V22….and the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be ONE, even as we are ONE…V23…I in them and thou in me, tha they may be made PERFECT IN ONE….!

Blessings,TK

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 31 2011,21:54)

It seems to me, you guys are just having fun with this topic, and want to see how long, and how far you can strech it. Where is the logic, where is your common sense, in what your saying? If you can't figure out that your “mind” is “YOUR” spirit, then how in the world are you going to attempt to figure out what the “HOLY SPIRIT” is? You might as well try to figure out which of your marbles is rounder. You all try to appear as scholars, and experts; why not as your third grade children, they will give you the answer, because “YOU” don't make “ANY” sense at all. Georg

Hi Georg,

1Cor.2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God (in him). (1Peter 1:23)
1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible,
by the word of God (Luke 8:11), which liveth and abideth for ever.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Pastry]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,02:05)

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 31 2011,21:54) It seems to me, you guys are just having fun with this topic, and want to see how long, and how far you can strech it. Where is the logic, where is your common sense, in what your saying? If you can't figure out that your “mind” is “YOUR” spirit, then how in the world are you going to attempt to figure out what the “HOLY SPIRIT” is? You might as well try to figure out which of your marbles is rounder. You all try to appear as scholars, and experts; why not as your third grade children, they will give you the answer, because “YOU” don't make “ANY” sense at all. Georg Hi Georg, 1Cor.2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God (in him). (1Peter 1:23) 1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God (Luke 8:11), which liveth and abideth for ever. Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

I didn't say, you don't know scripture, I said, you don't understand ascripture, and that's why you never answer a question.

Georg

[mikeboll64]

Wow Georg,

I'm terribly sorry that my conversation with Ed was bothering you in some way.  

But since you butted in:

Show me again the SCRIPTURE that teaches us all so clearly that our spirit is our MIND.  Because I think I must have overlooked that one somehow.

I DO remember Jesus teaching this:

“What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

Hmmmm………….Evil THOUGHTS come from our MIND.  Yet our SPIRIT is a gift from God and our life force.  It comes to us directly from God Himself, and He receives it back when we die.  To me, that precious life force that we receive from God doesn't seem like the place where all that evil Jesus mentioned would stem from.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.  Could you explain why you are seemingly so convinced our spirit is our mind?

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,19:08)

Hi Mike, 1. The entirety of God includes everything. 2. Lucifer/satan was part of the entirety of God. 3. The “HolySpirit” is the entirety of God minus satan. 4. satan did NOT play any roll (at all) in Jesus' physical birth. 5. Jesus was a fractal of the entirety of YHVH. 6. When we are baptized with the “HolySpirit”, we become a fractal of the entirety of YHVH. I hope you can understand this “Bible Truth”.

Yes Ed,

I believe I WILL be able to understand all of this as soon as you show me the scriptures that teach it.

But you contradict yourself. First you say that ALL except Satan is now the “entirety of God”. But then you say that ONCE WE ARE BAPTIZED, we THEN become a part of the “entirety of God”.

So if I'm sitting here all unbaptized and everything, am I, or am I not, a part of the “entirety of God”?

1. Unscriptural
2. Unscriptural
3. Unscriptural
4. Neither the one before the ages, the one on earth, or the one from the dead. I agree.
5. Unscriptural
6. Unscriptural

Wow, Ed. Where do you come up with this stuff?

And that still leaves a couple questions unanswered.

Is the finger OF Ed the BEING of Ed?

Is the Father of Jesus God? Or only a part of God that is not the “entirety of God”?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:26)

But you contradict yourself.  First you say that ALL except Satan is now the “entirety of God”.  But then you say that ONCE WE ARE BAPTIZED, we THEN become a part of the “entirety of God”.

Hi Mike,

We were always a part of God, Just like Jesus. Look at Psalm 82:6.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:26)

And that still leaves a couple questions unanswered. Is the finger OF Ed the BEING of Ed? Is the Father of Jesus God?  Or only a part of God that is not the “entirety of God”? mike

Hi Mike,

The mind of Ed is Ed.
The Spirit of Ed is Ed.
The finger of Ed is Ed.

The HolySpirit(God) is the Father of Jesus! (Matt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35)
You are the one that has been saying the “HolySpirit” is part of God; have you forgotten?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,20:16)

Wow Georg, I'm terribly sorry that my conversation with Ed was bothering you in some way.   But since you butted in: Show me again the SCRIPTURE that teaches us all so clearly that our spirit is our MIND.  Because I think I must have overlooked that one somehow. I DO remember Jesus teaching this: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” Hmmmm………….Evil THOUGHTS come from our MIND.  Yet our SPIRIT is a gift from God and our life force.  It comes to us directly from God Himself, and He receives it back when we die.  To me, that precious life force that we receive from God doesn't seem like the place where all that evil Jesus mentioned would stem from. Maybe I'm wrong, though.  Could you explain why you are seemingly so convinced our spirit is our mind? mike

Mike

i beleive georg is right but you also have to had the hearth to it,

and in this combination ,that's you ,us ,so what you think and feel deep down in our-self ,THAT S US; and out of of that all good and bad comes out,either in speech or in actions.

our conscience is the reflection and is molded from it,

this is clear when we are conceived wen born we get the info on it,at a lather date we take full responsibility.wen we die all what is written on it stays for judgement .

Pierre

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,20:47)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:26) And that still leaves a couple questions unanswered. Is the finger OF Ed the BEING of Ed? Is the Father of Jesus God?  Or only a part of God that is not the “entirety of God”? mike Hi Mike, The mind of Ed is Ed. The Spirit of Ed is Ed. The finger of Ed is Ed. The HolySpirit(God) is the Father of Jesus! (Matt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35) You are the one that has been saying the “HolySpirit” is part of God; have you forgotten? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

you still do not have knowledge of what is the holyspirit ,

being,be of,being from,comes,you still do not understand it ,

we spend a topic on it were did you went ??
but we know EDJ just believe what is fit for EDJ,truth or no truth.

Pierre

[GeneBalthrop]

EDJ………..I believe the Holy Spirit is and (IT) and from GOD the Father, so i would have to vote actually for one and two. I voted for one because i relate more with the Holy Spirit as GOD the Father.

peace and love…………………………………….gene

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 28 2011,19:40)

Hi All, The Holy Spirit is God's “active force”.  God speaks to us THROUGH His Spirit. It is the Spirit OF  OF   OF   OF   God.   Just like Jesus is the Son OF   OF     OF    OF    God. When did the word OF become so hard to understand by intelligent adults?   John 16:13 NIV But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. So God Himself does not speak on His own?  He only speaks what he's told to?  Sounds a little odd to me.    But come to think of it, Jesus also only spoke what the Father commanded him to speak.  So another “God Almighty” can't speak his own words.  This gets stranger all the time.     mike

Mike

That is a good scripture. Notice how no one comments on it and yet 3 have voted that the Holy Spirit is the Father?

Are they even reading their Bible?

Here are the points to be made from that one verse…

[Ed J]

Hi WJ,

Are you saying that the “spirit” that was in Jesus (at his birth) was not the “HolySpirit”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:16)

Wow Georg, I'm terribly sorry that my conversation with Ed was bothering you in some way.   But since you butted in: Show me again the SCRIPTURE that teaches us all so clearly that our spirit is our MIND.  Because I think I must have overlooked that one somehow. I DO remember Jesus teaching this: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” Hmmmm………….Evil THOUGHTS come from our MIND.  Yet our SPIRIT is a gift from God and our life force.  It comes to us directly from God Himself, and He receives it back when we die.  To me, that precious life force that we receive from God doesn't seem like the place where all that evil Jesus mentioned would stem from. Maybe I'm wrong, though.  Could you explain why you are seemingly so convinced our spirit is our mind? mike

Is this not a free for all thread? There is a debate thread you know.

Here is the scripture you requested.

Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this “”mind”” be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  

Also

1Cr 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

What is it that helps a child to understand things as it grows up, is it his mind? is it his spirit? or maybe both?
If your mind is not your spirit, then what are they?

Georg

[Worshipping Jesus]

ED

How does your question even remotely relate to anything I said?

WJ

[Ed J]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,02:25)

By this one verse we know he “is a Spirit” who Travels, Guides, Speaks, Hears, Teaches, and lives in the Temples (the bodies) of every true believer all at the same time. WJ

Hi WJ,

My question is based on (my agreement with) this “Bible Truth”!
Now will you please answer my question?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,05:27)

The Holy Spirit became flesh?

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 02 2011,03:55)

Ed   …you are a learning experience that just keeps giving….

Hi Irene and Theodore J,

                   “The Word” maketh the Son (Isaiah 7:14)

Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
The Word(The Seed is HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.

                                YHVH(63) = Color(63)
                                Connecting the dots

“The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14)
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible” (1Peter 1:23)
“The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God grew and multiplied.” (Acts 12:24)
“The seed is The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God.” (Luke 8:11)

                   Understanding “The Truth”! (John 17:17)

2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that [HolySpirit] was in Christ, reconciling
the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us “The Word” of reconciliation.
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because
ye have been with me from the beginning.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak,
but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2011,14:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,20:47) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,13:26) And that still leaves a couple questions unanswered. Is the finger OF Ed the BEING of Ed? Is the Father of Jesus God?  Or only a part of God that is not the “entirety of God”? mike Hi Mike, The mind of Ed is Ed. The Spirit of Ed is Ed. The finger of Ed is Ed. The HolySpirit(God) is the Father of Jesus! (Matt.1:18,20 / Luke 1:35) You are the one that has been saying the “HolySpirit” is part of God; have you forgotten? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org edj you still do not have knowledge of what is the holyspirit , being,be of,being from,comes,you still do not understand it , we spend a topic on it were did you went ?? but we know EDJ just believe what is fit for EDJ,truth or no truth. Pierre

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 02 2011,03:55)

Ed   …you are a learning experience that just keeps giving….

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 01 2011,20:58)

To Ed   …God bless your efforts to teach. TK

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 02 2011,05:27)

The Holy Spirit became flesh?

Hi Pierre,

                   “The Word” maketh the Son (Isaiah 7:14)

Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but
The Word(The Seed is HolySpirit) of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son(Jesus Christ), who is consecrated for evermore.

                                YHVH(63) = Color(63)
                                Connecting the dots

“The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14)
“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible” (1Peter 1:23)
“The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God grew and multiplied.” (Acts 12:24)
“The seed is The Word([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) of God.” (Luke 8:11)

                   Understanding “The Truth”! (John 17:17)

2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that [HolySpirit] was in Christ, reconciling
the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us “The Word” of reconciliation.
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because
ye have been with me from the beginning.
Matt.10:20 For it is not ye that speak,
but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,16:43)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 02 2011,02:25) By this one verse we know he “is a Spirit” who Travels, Guides, Speaks, Hears, Teaches, and lives in the Temples (the bodies) of every true believer all at the same time. WJ Hi WJ, My question is based on (my agreement with) this “Bible Truth”! Now will you please answer my question? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed

Of course the Spirit dwelt in Jesus! How does that remotely have anything to do with that verse not being the Father or Jesus?

WJ

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