The Holy Spirit

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  • #3709
     digger 
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    Question: The Spirit with no PERSONAL NAME

    If the Holy spirit is the third person in a trinity why does the Holy Spirit not possess a personal name after all the Father has a personal name: Jehovah/Yahweh and the Son of God has a personal name Jesus and He was also named Michael the Archangel Thess 4:16 in His former existence.
    Yet search through the scriptures and you will find there is no personal name for the Holy Spirit which proves there is only ONE TRUE GOD the Father and only ONE LORD JESUS the SON of the Father. Therefore the Holy Spirit is God's power/force and love but not a person.

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     Is 1:18 
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    Digger,
    You wrote:

    “He was also named Michael the Archangel Thess 4:16 in His former existence”

    Please explain to me how it was that you reached this conclusion. I would be interested to know.

    #3711
     t8 
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    Probably the Watchtower/JWs.

    #3712
     Is 1:18 
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    Yes, I guessed that. Pity he/she didn't respond – I was looking forward to the exchange. :;):

    #3713
     NickHassan 
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    People who hear voices often have a spirit of madness, in my experience, not the Holy Spirit. Religious people have a spirit of religion, not the Holy Spirit.

    God wants us to check if the spirit we have is the Holy Spirit.That is why He gave us the Word as they prove each other.

    He gives us the Spirit as a seal of the promise of salvation.2 Cor 13.5. 1 Jn 4.1-3.Eph 1.13-14.2Cor 1.22. 1 Jn 5.7-9

    #3714
     ringo111 
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    Religious people have a spirit of religion

    ? what a nonsense saying !!!

    1 Timothy 5:4
    But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

    James 1:26
    If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless.

    James 1:27
    Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

    Please think about this non-sense belief of yours, that Christianity is not a religion.

    For it is A religion!!! That GoD accepts as pure and faultless!!!

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    *As from Dictionary.com

    1*Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
    2*A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
    3*The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
    4*A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
    5*A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

    Everyone has religion, even if you dont believe in GoD. Please stop this foolish catchfraze, That foolish men have promoted.

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    As for the role of the holy spirit.

    HE guides into all truth, Tells men what to say, Speaks for men at times.

    So these people could be speaking by the Holyspirit, or delusional as you say. That is why we must use the system of weighing and discerning, like the disciples kept from what Jesus showed them. That is, refering everything back to the Old Testiment which was theyre scripture, for the new Testiment was only writings, and not what they considered scripture.

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     NickHassan 
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    Dear Ringo,
    You look and look but never seem to see. The very verse in James you quoted about religion is exactly what I mean. And it is God's definition but not the definition of religion the world and the denominations believe in.

    #3716
     ringo111 
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    James 1:27
    Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

    Religion!!!!

    #3717
     daughterofthecarpenter 
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    The night i was filled with the Holy Spirit i saw a vision of Jesus as i was being filled. I was glad. It helped me to not dought the gift. Now when I am down I pray in the spirit and I get comforted. :D

    #3718
     Is 1:18 
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    Hi,
    Im intrigued. Tell me about your vision.
    God Bless

    #3719
     NickHassan 
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    The Holy Spirit is also known as The Spirit,the Spirit of the Lord as well as the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus.

    Anything of God is holy so the use of Holy Spirit is descriptive.

    Interesting that Jesus would not allow men to call Him Holy.

    He also is forgiving of blasphemy against Himself but not against the Holy Spirit.

    The Father lives in Heaven [Our Father who art in Heaven]and sends His Spirit to men on earth.

    #3720
     Is 1:18 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 28 2004,22:43)
    Interesting that Jesus would not allow men to call Him Holy.


    Where is your scriptural reference here?

    #3721
     NickHassan 
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    Well spotted Is .
    The word I should have used was GOOD . Jesus said only the Father was good. Is goodness part of holiness?-possibly but holiness brings in the aspect of sacredness too.

    #3722
     Is 1:18 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 29 2004,04:42)
    Well spotted Is .
    The word I should have used was GOOD . Jesus said only the Father was good.


    Hi N.H,
    I think this verse is misunderstood. Afterall, we know Jesus WAS good – there are many passage that describe Him as sinless, Holy, righteous, undefiled etc. In Lk 18:19, Mk 10:18 etc He didn't say specifically 'I am not good', he said “no one is good but God alone”. He was likely trying to get the certain ruler (Lk 18:19) to stop and think about what he was saying when he called Him good. It can be interpreted (and many do) as Jesus' attempt to convey something along the lines of 'do you really understand what you are saying when you say that?, are you ascribing to me what should only be ascribed to God'. Make sense?
    God Bless

    #3723
     NickHassan 
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    Yes Is ,and Jesus was humble. He never exalted himself but was the perfect servant. “Meek and humble of heart”
    As Is 53 describes our Saviour
    ” He grew up like a sapling before him, like a shoot from the parched earth. There was in Him no stately bearing to make us look at Him, nor appearance that would attract us to Him. He was spurned and avoided by men, a man of suffering ,accustomed to infirmity. One of those from whom men hide their faces ,spurned and we held him in no esteem. Yet it was our infirmities that He bore ,our sufferings that He endured ,while we thought of Him as one smitten by God and afflicted.”

    Why did He say of himself in Lk 4.23
    ” You will doubtless quote Me the proverb 'Physician heal thyself'”?

    Was He crippled or scarred ? He certainly did not have the tall stately bearing all the paintings of Him seem to show.

    #3724
     t8 
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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 30 2004,21:35)
    Afterall, we know Jesus WAS good


    Jesus is not good only God is. That means that Jesus is not the source of good, but the recipent of it. All that he has that is good is given to him by God his Father. He was simply acknowledging that it is God who has done all that they saw Jesus do. He also said that I only do what the Father does, so he is trying to give all the glory that men gave to him, to God his Father. He was simply acknowledging where his good came from. Remember Jesus said, “but not my will but your will”. So he has a will that is not Gods will. But he chooses Gods will with his will so they are the same in that they agree and are in alignment. He taught and led by example.

    We become good ourselves when that which God gives us becomes our character and nature. Then in that sense we are good. We have recieved Gods good things and they have moulded and shaped us closer to his perfect image. But even then it is God who gets the glory for this.

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     Is 1:18 
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    Quote (t8 @ Aug. 01 2004,03:22)

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 30 2004,21:35)
    Afterall, we know Jesus WAS good


    Jesus is not good only God is. That means that Jesus is not the source of good, but the recipent of it. All that he has that is good is given to him by God his Father.


    Why must you be the source of all that is good to be good? If Jesus was tempted in every way we are, yet without sin (Heb 4:15) then he must be considered good. Why not credit Him for this?

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     t8 
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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 02 2004,08:58)
    Why must you be the source of all that is good to be good? If Jesus was tempted in every way we are, yet without sin (Heb 4:15) then he must be considered good. Why not credit Him for this?


    I did that in the last part of the post.

    We become good ourselves when that which God gives us becomes our character and nature. Then in that sense we are good. We have recieved Gods good things and they have moulded and shaped us closer to his perfect image. But even then it is God who gets the glory for this.”

    Jesus credit lies in the fact that he does his Fathers will. The Father takes credit for all good. Same for us. Our only credit is obedience to God. That is the only thing that we really do that has value. Once we have decided to serve God, then it is just a matter of doing what he says. As it is written, “that which is not of faith is sin”.

    Revelation 5:12
    In a loud voice they sang: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”

    The world takes credit for talents, looks and other gifts, but these things are given to us for free. What credit is it really if you are intelligent or the best soccer player in the world. After all these talents are given. It is what you decide to do with those talents that counts. Will we use them for God or ourselves?

    Jesus is the firstborn of all creation and the image of God. But is that a credit to him or God. Jesus credit is his servitude toward God and from that obedience God bestows upon him all the honour that God gives him.

    Hebrews 5:8
    Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered.

    “Not my will, but your will.”
    I try to use these words when I pray to God for things, after all that is what Jesus did.

    #3727
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,
    You say Jesus is “firstborn of all creation” I am sure you did not quite mean that.

    Jesus is the only “BEGOTTEN” Son .He was not created but begotten-like from like. .Ps 2.Heb 1.5 and 5.5 etc

    He was only BORN when he was born of Mary in Bethlehem.
    ” For today in the City of David there has been BORN for you a saviour,who is Christ the Lord”Lk2 .11.
    ” And when He again brings the firstborn into the world..”Heb 1.6

    He is also “The FIRSTBORN from the Dead” as the first to be resurrected. Coll 1.18

    Do you agree?

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     t8 
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    Colossians 1:15

    KJV
    Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    NIV
    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    NASB
    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    YLT
    who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,

    WE
    The Son is like God who cannot be seen. He was his Son before anything was made.

    Although the last version probably takes a lot of licence with it's interpretation, it is what I believe.

    John 1:3
    Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

    I personally believe that Jesus was begotten of God before creation and God created all things through him and for him. We (creation) were made in God's image; from God through Christ.

    Jesus Christ is the firstborn and the only one to come directly from the Father.

    1 Corinthians 11:3
    Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

    I believe that this line of authority is all the source lineage.

    i.e. the woman came from man. Man came from Christ and Christ came from God.

    John 8:42
    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.

    John 16:27
    No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

    Tatian (165 A.D)
    “For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light of the first torch is not lessened by the kindling of many torches, so the Word, coming forth from the Word-Power of the Father, has not divested of the Word-Power Him who begat Him”.

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