Hi Mike,

Glad that is cleared up! This has been my stance for several years now after debating and looking at the surrounding text of Matthew 16 and 18.

Mathew IS NOT teaching us that Joseph is Jesus’s adoptive father, on the contrary, he is giving us THE BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN, the BOOK OF Jesus’s GENEA/GENETIC LINEAGE to show us…[Read more]

Mike……..Shouldn’t you be telling us how modern science is lying to us, instead of just going on as if they don’t know what they are talking about,  tell us how there is no actual rocket ships, satelites, giant tellescopes webb, Hubble, and hundreds of others out there, isen’t your real argument with them.  You believe we really Don’t have T…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  But Mike places the waters above everything. In reality, if we are talking about the first heaven and the raqia / space / heaven / sky between the two waters, it is not as those pagan models say. So the water above the raqia may just be referencing the first heaven. The context determines which heaven.

You and Gene keep overlooking…[Read more]

Berean’s point debunks Mike

Berean:
Before creating the heaven and the earth on which we live, God WAS IN HIS HEAVEN, WITH HIS SON AND HIS HOLY ANGELS.

AND THEREFORE THE RAQIYA WHICH HE MADE MUCH LATER WHICH IS BETWEEN THE TWO WATERS CANNOT BE THE PLACE OF GOD’S PERSONAL DWELLING.

Exactly. This shows that Mike’s understanding of raqia which is c…[Read more]

Jodi:  God most certainly has the power to cause virgin Mary to be found with a child of Joseph’s DNA, his 23 chromosomes to which make a human according to God’s very own design and makes Matthew’s words true and not a lie.

Jodi, this is the first I’m seeing of your understanding that God impregnated Mary with Joseph’s genetic material.  All thi…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike …..Heres one for you…

Sorry Charlie.  You don’t get to keep ignoring questions that I’ve already asked you dozens of times and just ask your own question on a completely unrelated topic.

Answer mine directly and honestly FIRST, and then you will have earned the right to ask yours.

1.  Gene, you just acknowledged that clouds are…[Read more]

Danny and Berean, great input!  Thanks.  🙏

Mike: Proclaimer, why did the psalmist tell the waters above heaven to praise Yahweh in verse four, and then later tell the clouds to praise Yahweh in verse 8?

What is your direct and honest answer?  Thanks.

 

Proclaimer: There are a number of explanations…

I SINCERELY thank you from the bottom of my heart for your immediate and direct an…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

No you are not correct.

Let me clarify for you, there is numerous ways that we see glory in Jesus.

Hi Jodi,

I agree!

There are many more WAYS

that we can see Jesus’ glories, in fact, BOTH IN HIS BIRTH JESUS WAS GLORIFIED, 

THE UNIQUE HUMAN BEING BORN OF THE HOLY GHOST, AND ON HIS DEATH THE MOST VITAL OF ALL HIS GLORIES,

BY W…[Read more]

@t8

Proclaimer,
You said: God called the raqia heaven. And God dwells in heaven.

In Gen. 1:8 God calls the firmament “heaven” (Hebrew shamayim). That turns out to give little additional definition to what the firmament (raqia) is, since in all the cases in Genesis 1 where God puts a name to something, there is never a one-to-one correspondence to…[Read more]

Berean: Before creating the heaven and the earth on which we live, God WAS IN HIS HEAVEN, WITH HIS SON AND HIS HOLY ANGELS.

AND THEREFORE THE RAQIYA WHICH HE MADE MUCH LATER WHICH IS BETWEEN THE TWO WATERS CANNOT BE THE PLACE OF GOD’S PERSONAL DWELLING.

That’s a very good point.

The death sentence was not carried out immediately.
Adam listened to the word of the tempter, and having accepted his insinuations he fell into the
sin. In his case, why was the death sentence not carried out immediately?
Because a way to redeem it was found. The Only Begotten Son of God offered himself as
voluntary to take upon himself the sin…[Read more]

Mike …..Heres one for you,  Satan your mentor said,  that they wouldn’t die  when they eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, right? BUT God said they would die in “the day”,   they ate of it,  but you see they never died in a 24 hour day after they ate of it now did they?,  But they certanily did die within a thousand years afte…[Read more]

Hi to all

Hère is the Daily Devotional

The highest wind speed ever recorded on earth occurred at Barrow Island, Australia. During typhoon Olivia, the wind reached 253 miles per hour. For more than 60 years, the Mount Washington Observatory in New Hampshire boasted that it had recorded the fastest wind speed on Earth. In 1934, the observatory…[Read more]

Proclaimer : Let me help you berean.

First, we need to let scripture speak.

If we believe scripture, then we need to understand the truth that God called the raqia / expanse – heaven, and God dwells in heaven.

Me:

Do you believe that GOD WAS IN HIS HEAVEN “BEFORE” CREATING “THE RAQIYA”
YES OR NO?

Thanks

Let me help you berean.

First, we need to let scripture be deal with it.

If we believe scripture, then we need to understand the truth that God called the expanse – heaven, and God dwells in heaven.

Next, we already know that God is above all from many other scriptures.

So how do we reconcile?

Easy. we adjust our view of raqia.

If it b…[Read more]

Before creating the heaven and the earth on which we live, God WAS IN HIS HEAVEN, WITH HIS SON AND HIS HOLY ANGELS.

AND THEREFORE THE RAQIYA WHICH HE MADE MUCH LATER WHICH IS BETWEEN THE TWO WATERS CANNOT BE THE PLACE OF GOD’S PERSONAL DWELLING.

BTW, when are you going to bring back the sun?

If I was a flattie, my inability to do that would make me seriously think about my belief.

Not you it seems.

Good question Gene.

But you know that Mike will have your post deleted because this is a private discussion.

Could I suggest you post that in the FE topic or even better, start up a Hot Seat discussion with him to force an answer from him.

2.  Name the something that is IN the raqia.

God called the expanse – heaven and God dwells in heaven.