You’re backing down regarding David’s clothes, too—yet that isn’t symbolic; it’s not just a casual figure of speech…
Reconsider your position, DT.

Where did the Cain and Abel thing come from?!?!? Talk about random!! By the way, we’ve been over this before; do you not remember?? I asked you what it meant and you couldn’t tell me! Such “strong” beliefs you have when you can’t support what you believe; we call that being gullible.

You understand Psalm 22 is poetry…right!! So the ev…[Read more]

On what occasion were David’s clothes divided?

@DT

Gen.4
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
And…

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You’ve mentioned I John 2:23 twice now, what is your point? We have truth because some NT writer said by denying the “son” one automatically denies the Father? Since the Jesus isn’t The Messiah (unless you can prove he is – beliefs don’t count, evidence does) and I turn my attention to G-d alone, what need do I have of the Jesus?

W…[Read more]

No one who denies the Son has the Father. 1 John 2:23

CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!!

Go ahead, explain what happened with David’s clothes when we shared them.

“When we shared them”, say what???

15 The roof of my mouth is as dry as a piece of pottery; my tongue sticks to my gums. You set me in the dust of death. 16 Yes, wild dogs surround me – a gang of evil men crowd around me; like a lion they…[Read more]

The Translation Difference
The Hebrew Masoretic Text: Uses the word ka’ari (כָּאֲרִי), which translates to “like a lion”. Grammatically, it la…[Read more]

Go ahead, explain what happened with David’s clothes when we shared them.

Blah, blah, blah; the Psalm is about David NOT the Jesus. You believe a lie!

More Parachute theology, drop in on a passage that one thinks is about the Jesus because is sounds like the Jesus. Read the entire chapter and place that single verse into the context it was written and there will be no the Jesus. Besides, Ps 22 isn’t M…[Read more]

John 19:23] Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.
They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend…[Read more]

although mōtāw is grammatically plural, it does not necessarily mean the servant literally died several deaths

You are assuming the servant is a singular individual. In that case of course one can only die a single physical death; however, this isn’t about an individual; it’s about a nation – Israel. You then bring in ancient…[Read more]

Ps 22 is a Psalm by David, about David; how do you get the Jesus out of that? Oh vs16 of the king Jimmy sounds like the Jesus so it must be! More parachute theology…

“For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.”

What the Hebrew translated says, “For dogs have surro…[Read more]

Prove the Jesus IS The Messiah!!

@DT

THE ENTIRE BIBLE PROVES THAT JESUS ​​IS THE BIBLE’S MESSIAH.

Among other things, 53:5

He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU FEEL TOWARD THE MES…[Read more]

Zech.13:6

And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in 👉thine hands? 👈Then 👉he shall answer, 👉Those with which👉 I was wounded 👈in the house of 👉my friends.

Who is the “he”, who is the “our”?

If you can’t identify who these pronouns are, why do you believe what you believe?

Still waiting for how the Jesus fulfilled Isa 53 when he wasn’t “innocent”; he was violent, deceitful, was desired, and he wasn’t so hideous that people avoided him. I have given the passages proving the person descri…[Read more]

Wounded is literally “pierced through.”

Not worried, the Jesus didn’t fulfill what was prophesied about The Messiah. Unless you can prove he did.

Did you read Amos 3:7? “Certainly the sovereign LORD does nothing without first revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.” Where is it prophesied in the Tanakh The Messiah was to die for the sins of mankind, be buried and…[Read more]

1 John 2:23 says that whoever denies the Son denies the Father as well.

Talk about being “under the law”, isn’t observing the Sabbath part of the “law”? Why is observing a Jewish command so important to the SDA? Why does the SDA only seek to convert the christian and NOT the “unsaved”? Sound a little upside down and backwards.

The “command” was actually an example set by G-d to take a day and rest as HE did…[Read more]

How did the Puritans argue in favour of remembering the Sabbath day even under the New Covenant today?

The Sabbath is a moral commandment, binding on the world today, for at least five reasons:

1. The Sabbath was first instituted in paradise, in the state of innocence (Genesis 2:2-3, Exodus 20:11, Mark 2:27), before any ceremony existed,…[Read more]

Proclaimer, you go on to quote from Mark 4:11-12, except you left out verse 12 where the Jesus says he speaks in parables so the everyone other than the disciples would not perceive or understand and therefore not turn from their wicked ways and repent. How does the Jesus fulfill the last portion of 53:9 where there was “no deceit in his m…

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Isa 53:9 translated from the Hebrew (found on biblehub) when translated says “in his deaths”, I didn’t write this, Isaiah did! The  christian interpreters mistranslated the Hebrew text. Even the NET bible admits this plurality seems to be out of place and attributes it as being a “mistake” and “fixes” it to the singular; BIG PROBLEM, the Heb…

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Who is this “innocent” figure, this servant? Christianity says it’s the Jesus, but using the words of the NT we find the Jesus ISN’T all that “innocent.” Judaism says it Israel and what’s crazy is we are told who this “servant” is.

But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend. (Isa 41:8…[Read more]

Of course it’s simple for the christian, they have found a passage that sounds like the Jesus and therefore is the Jesus. If you would have been following what I have been writing from the beginning, you would have found it impossible for this to be about the Jesus. I gave examples from the NT showing how he was violent, was deceptive,…[Read more]

For me Isaiah 53 ist very clear.

The servant was suffering and dying on behalf of Israel’s sin.

Easy and simple.

The figure in Isaiah 53 was innocent. But was Israel?
Huh?

If the expression “his death” was in the plural, the expression “his grave” would ALSO be in the plural.

How many “graves” can one person be buried in? Why are you shooting the messenger, I’m reading the original text!! The text your OT is based upon! Jump back to 43:10 “Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have ch…[Read more]

@Proclaimer,

Does nobody read for comprehension anymore!?!? Is there anyone who will verify what I am saying?? What I am finding is why I walked away from christianity. I began asking questions I was apparently NOT suppose to be asking and at one point was told by a pastor I shouldn’t study so much and pray more. What was he a…[Read more]

If the expression “his death” was in the plural, the expression “his grave” would ALSO be in the plural.
But that’s not the case.
It is indeed one person and not several.

9] And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth

And they made His grave…[Read more]

The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is NOT described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: “Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!”

“His grave was with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death, though he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.”

A modern Jewish translation, the 2023 JPS Tanakh, says something very similar:

“His grave was set among the wicked, and with the rich, in his death … though he had d…[Read more]

You keep wanting this to be about the Jesus and it simply isn’t so. The passage you question (vs9) is yet another mistranslation of the Hebrew. The Hebrew for “in his death” is בְּמוֹתוֹ and is the singular form. What is written is בְּמוֹתָיו (verify on biblehub) and is in the plural “in his deaths”, so the passage should read: “An…[Read more]

You did not answer the question in verse 53:9

He was assigned 👉 a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in 👉 his death, 👈though he had committed no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth.

In what way could this verse apply to Israel?

@Berean,

This is NOT difficult! I never said Israel was sinless and most certainly NOT blameless in their actions against G-d, this is the reason the Israelite’s are in exile!!! This is the reason G-d sent the prophets, to warn them of what was coming if they didn’t change and turn back to G-d. Are we reading from the same tex…[Read more]

Oh, my…I was not accusing you.

Isaiah 1:16-17 is about Israel.

So, read it again.

Isaiah 1:16-17 KJV

16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do EVIL;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Israel was not…[Read more]

The Paradox
Anyone who sets out to discover what the Old Testament says about the coming of the Messiah will quickly encounter paradoxical elements. At times, it may even seem like a mass of contradictions, for the Jewish prophets painted two distinct portraits of the coming Messiah.

On one hand, the researcher will…[Read more]

He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had committed no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth.

In what way could this verse apply to Israel?

What Danny Dabbs told you about this is correct:

#948241

So!?

I see you ran directly to accusations verses answering questions or proving your stance. Please tell me what my sin is and have need to cleanse myself for.

I stumbled across a verse (Amos 3:7) and have mentioned it a few time now and have been met with complete silence, it confirms the Jesus is NOT the true Messiah. According to…[Read more]

It describes the servant as innocent.

Go back a few post where I showed how “innocent” the Jesus was; he was violent, deceitful, was desired, and he wasn’t so hideous that people avoided him. For most of it I gave NT passages showing who the Jesus really was. So your the Jesus doesn’t fit Isaiah 53 either.

The general christi…[Read more]

Isaiah 53 is not a metaphor for the nation of Israel. It cannot be. It describes the servant as innocent.

“He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.”

The Israelites were certainly not innocent or blameless. I don’t think I have to quote…[Read more]

You were told it was a singular person; now prove it. I can prove the nation Israel was referred to the singular many times, so to say this passage specifically refers to a singular person (the Jesus) means nothing without evidence. To “believe”/“trust”/“have faith” that this passage is referring to the Jesus also means nothing, as…[Read more]