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Quote T. My prediction came true.
Isaid you will not anwer,and it came true.
wakeup.
all your comments are faulty according to my quoted scriptures ,but you don't care about the truth ,only your opinions
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,13:17) [/quote] Quote Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:33) terraricca,Dec. wrote:Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW,
ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS ,
CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Pierre,
Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words)
I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing. Dead first, then resurrected. Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead. He was BORN AGAIN. Died flesh and raised spirit. BORN AGAIN.
THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS. THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK.
j42no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,)
no born again .
Pierre,
Your bible is holding you back from knowing the whole truth.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from THE DEAD, that in all things he might have the PREEMINENCE.
PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. Look this word up up in your dictionary, in ENGLISH, FRENCH, SPANISH, GERMAN, WHATEVER. IT MEAN'S THE FIRST.
Christ is the FIRST-BORN of THE DEAD.
He is Supreme, yes, but that is not the word God chose to tell us that Christ is the FIRST one risen from the dead. …FIRST-BORN.
Born of Woman (not the first) born again/resurrected unto eternal life (THE FIRST)So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.They made a religion and a doctrine out of the words “Born Again”. All Christians that call themselves “born again” belong to organised religion and they are promoting their religion. These “Born Agains” are SELLING books and video's, making TV shows. They are making merchandise out of God. You are applying your understanding to what they have told you, because they think they are more spiritual, more smarter, more educated, more blessed than us because they speak tongues, and do healings & miracles … they exalt themselves above all Christians because they have the gift of the gab. There is a different spirit there. There are true God fearing among them, but they have been lied to and counted as sheep for the slaughter because they have not been fed the whole truth, and you also believe their doctrine.
Well we don't because of the reasons we show you.I pray for all “born agains” to re-examine the scriptures, and unless you have wings and are spirit, you still remain flesh as I am and can still die just like I can. You cannot say you are accepted in the kingdom, because that is for Christ to decide who belongs to him and who doesn't. Christ decides. We have to hope we will be worthy enough to be accepted and not be too sure of ourselves, because some are going to be red-faced.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:18) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,13:17) [/quote] Quote Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:33) terraricca,Dec. wrote:Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW,
ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS ,
CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Pierre,
Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words)
I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing. Dead first, then resurrected. Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead. He was BORN AGAIN. Died flesh and raised spirit. BORN AGAIN.
THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS. THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK.
j42no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,)
no born again .
Pierre,
Your bible is holding you back from knowing the whole truth.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from THE DEAD, that in all things he might have the PREEMINENCE.
PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. Look this word up up in your dictionary, in ENGLISH, FRENCH, SPANISH, GERMAN, WHATEVER. IT MEAN'S THE FIRST.
Christ is the FIRST-BORN of THE DEAD.
He is Supreme, yes, but that is not the word God chose to tell us that Christ is the FIRST one risen from the dead. …FIRST-BORN.
Born of Woman (not the first) born again/resurrected unto eternal life (THE FIRST)So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.They made a religion and a doctrine out of the words “Born Again”. All Christians that call themselves “born again” belong to organised religion and they are promoting their religion. These “Born Agains” are SELLING books and video's, making TV shows. They are making merchandise out of God. You are applying your understanding to what they have told you, because they think they are more spiritual, more smarter, more educated, more blessed than us because they speak tongues, and do healings & miracles … they exalt themselves above all Christians because they have the gift of the gab. There is a different spirit there. There are true God fearing among them, but they have been lied to and counted as sheep for the slaughter because they have not been fed the whole truth, and you also believe their doctrine.
Well we don't because of the reasons we show you.I pray for all “born agains” to re-examine the scriptures, and unless you have wings and are spirit, you still remain flesh as I am and can still die just like I can. You cannot say you are accepted in the kingdom, because that is for Christ to decide who belongs to him and who doesn't. Christ decides. We have to hope we will be worthy enough to be accepted and not be too sure of ourselves, because some are going to be red-faced.
j42Quote So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.first you do not answer my question ,but make your own opinion the value that scriptures do not support ;
Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
LOOK WHAT CHRIST SAYS ;NO ONE CAN “SEE” THE KINGDOM OF GOD ,WHERE IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH
YESTHE SECOND FLOCK WAS CALLED LATER BY HIS DISCIPLES AND THROUGH THE YEARS ,UNTIL TODAY BUT THOSE ARE FOR THE EARTH ,
YOUR VIEW OF CHRIST MAKE ALL CREATION START AT THE DEAD AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST ,AND THAT ALL PREVIOUS PEOPLE NEVER EXISTED ANNULLING SO 4000 YEARS OF HISTORY ,
Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.READ ;VERSE 17; HE (CHRIST) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS ” NOT AFTER BUT BEFORE
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
WE ALL KNOW THAT CHRIST CAME AND WAS BORN 6 MONTH AFTER JOHN THE BAPTIST AND YET JOHN SAYS HE (CHRIST )WAS BEFORE HIM ;MEANING HE EXISTED BEFORE HIM .
JN 3:13 “ No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
JN 20:
17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father;AGAIN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT AS DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN ;WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE HIM
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 13 2013,00:18) Pierre, Your bible is holding you back from knowing the whole truth.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from THE DEAD, that in all things he might have the PREEMINENCE.
PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. Look this word up up in your dictionary, in ENGLISH, FRENCH, SPANISH, GERMAN, WHATEVER. IT MEAN'S THE FIRST.
Christ is the FIRST-BORN of THE DEAD.
He is Supreme, yes, but that is not the word God chose to tell us that Christ is the FIRST one risen from the dead. …FIRST-BORN.
Born of Woman (not the first) born again/resurrected unto eternal life (THE FIRST)So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.They made a religion and a doctrine out of the words “Born Again”. All Christians that call themselves “born again” belong to organised religion and they are promoting their religion. These “Born Agains” are SELLING books and video's, making TV shows. They are making merchandise out of God. You are applying your understanding to what they have told you, because they think they are more spiritual, more smarter, more educated, more blessed than us because they speak tongues, and do healings & miracles … they exalt themselves above all Christians because they have the gift of the gab. There is a different spirit there. There are true God fearing among them, but they have been lied to and counted as sheep for the slaughter because they have not been fed the whole truth, and you also believe their doctrine.
Well we don't because of the reasons we show you.I pray for all “born agains” to re-examine the scriptures, and unless you have wings and are spirit, you still remain flesh as I am and can still die just like I can. You cannot say you are accepted in the kingdom, because that is for Christ to decide who belongs to him and who doesn't. Christ decides. We have to hope we will be worthy enough to be accepted and not be too sure of ourselves, because some are going to be red-faced.
Journey42……….Good post brother.peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.Quote first you do not answer my question ,but make your own opinion the value that scriptures do not support ; Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
LOOK WHAT CHRIST SAYS ;NO ONE CAN “SEE” THE KINGDOM OF GOD ,WHERE IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD
Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Quote DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YES
You are not clear with your question here?
Christ has not returned yet. The 144K will be sealed just before the 7 trumpets start blowing.
When the 1st trumpet blows, you will know they have been sealed already.Quote THE SECOND FLOCK WAS CALLED LATER BY HIS DISCIPLES AND THROUGH THE YEARS ,UNTIL TODAY BUT THOSE ARE FOR THE EARTH ,
[/b]Please be more clear. The second flock? Who exactly?
Quote YOUR VIEW OF CHRIST MAKE ALL CREATION START AT THE DEAD AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST ,AND THAT ALL PREVIOUS PEOPLE NEVER EXISTED ANNULLING SO 4000 YEARS OF HISTORY ,
Not of all creation Pierre, but of the resurrected saints only.
Those who died in Christ can partake in the first resurrection. Those before Christ, cannot partake in the first resurrection. They have a different judgement.Quote Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.READ ;VERSE 17; HE (CHRIST) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS ” NOT AFTER BUT BEFORE
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.Quote Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ WE ALL KNOW THAT CHRIST CAME AND WAS BORN 6 MONTH AFTER JOHN THE BAPTIST AND YET JOHN SAYS HE (CHRIST )WAS BEFORE HIM ;MEANING HE EXISTED BEFORE HIM .
Yes I agree. But was he Jesus Christ then? or the Word?
God said he created everything with the “breath of his mouth” Did Christ come out of God's mouth, or did his Word?Quote JN 3:13 “ No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
JN 20:17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father;AGAIN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT AS DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN ;WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE HIM
Who says I don't believe him?
I have told you already that he was the Word in the beginning.
Pierre, I know it's tricky, and confusing, that's why it's a mystery. This mystery has a twist to it, and human reasoning cannot comprehend, unless God reveals it to us.
I can explain that I understand this mystery, but I cannot make you understand, only God can.We can argue forever, and my point is “born again” does not mean changing ones way of thinking, but can only happen when one walks in the spirit of Christ, then at the end of his life he is changed to spirit. Born Again. Born of Zion this time, the woman who travails (goes through labour pains…persecutions, sufferings, etc) before her children are born and they will be born (changed) at the 1st resurrection, which is the 7th trumpet, the coming of Christ. They will be born of “spirit” this time. A different birth.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2013,01:07) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,19:18) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,13:17) Quote Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,01:06) Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW,
ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS ,
CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Pierre,
Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words)
I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing. Dead first, then resurrected. Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead. He was BORN AGAIN. Died flesh and raised spirit. BORN AGAIN.
THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS. THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK.
j42no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ;
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,)
no born again .
Pierre,
Your bible is holding you back from knowing the whole truth.
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN from THE DEAD, that in all things he might have the PREEMINENCE.
PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. PREEMINENCE. Look this word up up in your dictionary, in ENGLISH, FRENCH, SPANISH, GERMAN, WHATEVER. IT MEAN'S THE FIRST.
Christ is the FIRST-BORN of THE DEAD.
He is Supreme, yes, but that is not the word God chose to tell us that Christ is the FIRST one risen from the dead. …FIRST-BORN.
Born of Woman (not the first) born again/resurrected unto eternal life (THE FIRST)So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.They made a religion and a doctrine out of the words “Born Again”. All Christians that call themselves “born again” belong to organised religion and they are promoting their religion. These “Born Agains” are SELLING books and video's, making TV shows. They are making merchandise out of God. You are applying your understanding to what they have told you, because they think they are more spiritual, more smarter, more educated, more blessed than us because they speak tongues, and do healings & miracles … they exalt themselves above all Christians because they have the gift of the gab. There is a different spirit there. There are true God fearing among them, but they have been lied to and counted as sheep for the slaughter because they have not been fed the whole truth, and you also believe their doctrine.
Well we don't because of the reasons we show you.I pray for all “born agains” to re-examine the scriptures, and unless you have wings and are spirit, you still remain flesh as I am and can still die just like I can. You cannot say you are accepted in the kingdom, because that is for Christ to decide who belongs to him and who doesn't. Christ decides. We have to hope we will be worthy enough to be accepted and not be too sure of ourselves, because some are going to be red-faced.
j42Quote So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.first you do not answer my question ,but make your own opinion the value that scriptures do not support ;
Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
LOOK WHAT CHRIST SAYS ;NO ONE CAN “SEE” THE KINGDOM OF GOD ,WHERE IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH
YESTHE SECOND FLOCK WAS CALLED LATER BY HIS DISCIPLES AND THROUGH THE YEARS ,UNTIL TODAY BUT THOSE ARE FOR THE EARTH ,
YOUR VIEW OF CHRIST MAKE ALL CREATION START AT THE DEAD AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST ,AND THAT ALL PREVIOUS PEOPLE NEVER EXISTED ANNULLING SO 4000 YEARS OF HISTORY ,
Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.READ ;VERSE 17; HE (CHRIST) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS ” NOT AFTE
R BUT BEFOREJn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
WE ALL KNOW THAT CHRIST CAME AND WAS BORN 6 MONTH AFTER JOHN THE BAPTIST AND YET JOHN SAYS HE (CHRIST )WAS BEFORE HIM ;MEANING HE EXISTED BEFORE HIM .
JN 3:13 “ No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
JN 20:17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father;AGAIN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT AS DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN ;WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE HIM
T.Quote DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YES How can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,21:52) terraricca,Dec. wrote:[/quote]
Quote j42 So what is the problem?
Can you not see that Christ was born-again when resurrected? The First-Born, and we will follow suit.Quote first you do not answer my question ,but make your own opinion the value that scriptures do not support ; Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
LOOK WHAT CHRIST SAYS ;NO ONE CAN “SEE” THE KINGDOM OF GOD ,WHERE IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD
Mark 4:30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Quote DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YES
You are not clear with your question here?
Christ has not returned yet. The 144K will be sealed just before the 7 trumpets start blowing.
When the 1st trumpet blows, you will know they have been sealed already.Quote THE SECOND FLOCK WAS CALLED LATER BY HIS DISCIPLES AND THROUGH THE YEARS ,UNTIL TODAY BUT THOSE ARE FOR THE EARTH ,
[/b]Please be more clear. The second flock? Who exactly?
Quote YOUR VIEW OF CHRIST MAKE ALL CREATION START AT THE DEAD AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST ,AND THAT ALL PREVIOUS PEOPLE NEVER EXISTED ANNULLING SO 4000 YEARS OF HISTORY ,
Not of all creation Pierre, but of the resurrected saints only.
Those who died in Christ can partake in the first resurrection. Those before Christ, cannot partake in the first resurrection. They have a different judgement.Quote Col 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
Col 1:14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.Col 1:15 He(CHRIST) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.READ ;VERSE 17; HE (CHRIST) IS BEFORE ALL THINGS ” NOT AFTER BUT BEFORE
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.Quote Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ WE ALL KNOW THAT CHRIST CAME AND WAS BORN 6 MONTH AFTER JOHN THE BAPTIST AND YET JOHN SAYS HE (CHRIST )WAS BEFORE HIM ;MEANING HE EXISTED BEFORE HIM .
Yes I agree. But was he Jesus Christ then? or the Word?
God said he created everything with the “breath of his mouth” Did Christ come out of God's mouth, or did his Word?Quote JN 3:13 “ No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.
JN 20:17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father;AGAIN CHRIST SAYS THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT AS DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN ;WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE HIM
Who says I don't believe him?
I have told you already that he was the Word in the beginning.
Pierre, I know it's tricky, and confusing, that's why it's a mystery. This mystery has a twist to it, and human reasoning cannot comprehend, unless God reveals it to us.
I can explain that I understand this mystery, but I cannot make you understand, only God can.We can argue forever, and my point is “born again” does not mean changing ones way of thinking, but can only happen when one walks in the spirit of Christ, then at the end of his life he is changed to spirit. Born Again. Born of Zion this time, the woman who travails (goes through labour pains…persecutions, sufferings, etc) before her children are born and they will be born (changed) at the 1st resurrection, which is the 7th trumpet, the coming of Christ. They will be born of “spirit” this time. A different birth.
J42Quote Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Ac 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Ac 7:56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
;;;LOOK WHAT CHRIST SAYS ;NO ONE CAN “SEE” THE KINGDOM OF GOD ,WHERE IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD
[/B]Mark 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it
new in the kingdom of God.Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
MT 9:17 “Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved.”
Quote Not of all creation Pierre, but of the resurrected saints only.
Those who died in Christ can partake in the first resurrection. Those before Christ, cannot partake in the first resurrection. They have a different judgement.that is not what scriptures are saying right
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold togethernow it says also ;
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead,so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have; all his fullness dwell in him,according to you ;EVERYTHING AND ALL GOD'S FULLNESS ,are only a little part ;and so the scriptures are lying
this is without adding Col;1;16and John 1;1
and all my previous scriptures quotes .,
Quote THE SECOND FLOCK WAS CALLED LATER BY HIS DISCIPLES AND THROUGH THE YEARS ,UNTIL TODAY BUT THOSE ARE FOR THE EARTH ,
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Please be more clear. The second flock? Who exactly?JN 10:16 “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Quote Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Quote
Jn 1:30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’WE ALL KNOW THAT CHRIST CAME AND WAS BORN 6 MONTH AFTER JOHN THE BAPTIST AND YET JOHN SAYS HE (CHRIST )WAS BEFORE HIM ;MEANING HE EXISTED BEFORE HIM .
Yes I agree. But was he Jesus Christ then? or the Word?
God said he created everything with the “breath of his mouth” Did Christ come out of God's mouth, or did his Word?CHRIST WAS BORN/CREATED/BRING FORTH/ECT. THOSE MULTI NAMES HE USES OR HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO HIM CAN BE UNDERSTAND BY THE WORKS HE DID AND DO ,AND WILL DO UNDER HIS FATHER AND GOD ,
CAN THE SON OF GOD BE ANYTHING ELSE THAN BEING THE SON OF GOD
Quote Pierre, I know it's tricky, and confusing, that's why it's a mystery. This mystery has a twist to it, and human reasoning cannot comprehend, unless God reveals it to us.
I can explain that I understand this mystery, but I cannot make you understand, only God can.THERE ARE NO MYSTERIES IN THE SCRIPTURES FOR WHAT IS RELATED TO GOD'S KINGDOM AND MEN ,TO ENTER IN IT ;ONLY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE WHO QUESTIONING THE SCRIPTURES ,
This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything.
wakeup
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 14 2013,14:24) This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. wakeup
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Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
WYOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE MORE ;
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
THE 144K START TO COUNT FROM THE BEGINNING BUT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;
Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
Lk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
WYOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE MORE ;
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
THE 144K START TO COUNT FROM THE BEGINNING BUT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;
Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
Lk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,
T.You are quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the question.
There are no; and can not be 144k before the gospel is preached.
There are no followers of Christ before Christ is taught.
How can Christ come two thousand years ago to collect his harvest. The seed is just being sown. Get it?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,02:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
WYOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE MORE ;
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
THE 144K START TO COUNT FROM THE BEGINNING BUT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;
Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
Lk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,
T.You are quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the question.
There are no; and can not be 144k before the gospel is preached.
There are no followers of Christ before Christ is taught.
How can Christ come two thousand years ago to collect his harvest. The seed is just being sown. Get it?wakeup.
WYOUR UNDERSTANDING IS WEAK ,AND FLESH ORIENTED ,
THIS IS THE REASON WHY YOU CAN NOT SEE IT OR UNDERSTAND IT ,I WHICH YOU COULD ,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,02:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
WYOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE MORE ;
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
THE 144K START TO COUNT FROM THE BEGINNING BUT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;
Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
Lk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,
T.You are quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the question.
There are no; and can not be 144k before the gospel is preached.
There are no followers of Christ before Christ is taught.
How can Christ come two thousand years ago to collect his harvest. The seed is just being sown. Get it?wakeup.
WYOUR UNDERSTANDING IS WEAK ,AND FLESH ORIENTED ,
THIS IS THE REASON WHY YOU CAN NOT SEE IT OR UNDERSTAND IT ,I WHICH YOU COULD ,
T.I feel like having a debate with a juvenile.
You dont make any sense at all.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,06:38) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,02:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
WYOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE MORE ;
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
THE 144K START TO COUNT FROM THE BEGINNING BUT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;
Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
Lk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,
T.You are quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the question.
There are no; and can not be 144k before the gospel is preached.
There are no followers of Christ before Christ is taught.
How can Christ come two thousand years ago to collect his harvest. The seed is just being sown. Get it?wakeup.
WYOUR UNDERSTANDING IS WEAK ,AND FLESH ORIENTED ,
THIS IS THE REASON WHY YOU CAN NOT SEE IT OR UNDERSTAND IT ,I WHICH YOU COULD ,
T.I feel like having a debate with a juvenile.
You dont make any sense at all.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,11:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,06:38) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,02:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,07:05) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 15 2013,00:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 15 2013,03:40) w Quote T. Quote
DID NOT CHRIST CAME TO GATHER THE FIRST FLOCK THE 144K THOSE THAT WILL BE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH YESHow can that be?
1.For the gospel has not been preached in all the earth yet.
The 144k are them; THAT FOLLOW THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOETH.(follow his commandments).2.THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS IN THE DAYS OF CHRIST.
JUST THE 12 APOSTLES AND A FEW FOLLOWERS.3.THE SEED HAS NOT BEEN PLANTED IN ALL THE EARTH
YET; HOW CAN THERE BE A HARVEST?wakeup.
the name Christian as nothing to do with it ; many where called prior to that Greek name ,
even sins Abraham and before ,IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU WAKEUP, YOU ARE NOT MENTION IN SCRIPTURES ,AND SO MAKE OTHERS A LITTLE LESS THAN YOU MAKE YOU BE MUCH LOWER ON THAN THE ONES YOU BELITTLE ,
Quote This is the sort of answers you get when arguing with a minor that thinks he knows everything. PROVING TRUTH BY SCRIPTURES THAT IS THE TRUE WAY ,NO REAL MYSTERY
T.Again;you failed to answer.
How can there be a 144k before the gospel is
preached in all the earth?This boggles my mind.
wakeup.
WYOU REALLY NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE MORE ;
MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
THE 144K START TO COUNT FROM THE BEGINNING BUT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES ;
Jn 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.
Jn 14:2 In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Jn 14:4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”Lk 20:37 But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
Lk 20:38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,
T.You are quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the question.
There are no; and can not be 144k before the gospel is preached.
There are no followers of Christ before Christ is taught.
How can Christ come two thousand years ago to collect his harvest. The seed is just being sown. Get it?wakeup.
WYOUR UNDERSTANDING IS WEAK ,AND FLESH ORIENTED ,
THIS IS THE REASON WHY YOU CAN NOT SEE IT OR UNDERSTAND IT ,I WHICH YOU COULD ,
T.I feel like having a debate with a juvenile.
You dont make any sense at all.wakeup.
T.Finish your milk,grow your teeth,
and then you can talk to grown ups.wakeup.
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