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[Wakeup]

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Marty Quote All men are God's creatures, but no, they are not children of God unless they have born again. the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,being born again as nothing to do with it ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, some try to make i a doctrine and a ritual but that would be wrong

T.

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the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us , ***being born again as nothing to do with it*** ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else,

Contradicting Jesus words one more time.
When is this going to end?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye ***must be born again***.

Keep on contradicting the Lord.
If that makes you feel good.
This is spiritual desolation.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2013,10:19) Marty Quote All men are God's creatures, but no, they are not children of God unless they have born again. the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,being born again as nothing to do with it ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, some try to make i a doctrine and a ritual but that would be wrong T. Quote the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,        ***being  born again as nothing to do with it*** ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, Contradicting Jesus words one more time. When is this going to end? John 3:7   Marvel not that I said unto thee,             Ye ***must be born again***. Keep on contradicting the Lord. If that makes you feel good. This is spiritual desolation. wakeup.

W

I DID NOT CONTRADICT THE SCRIPTURES ,ONLY IN YOUR HEAD,

YOU CANNOT BE RECONCILED WITH GOD OUR FATHER IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW HIS WILL AND LIVE BY IT ;THIS WILL MEAN BORN AGAIN ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT =THE WILL OF GOD ,NOT THE WILL OF THE FLESH AS ALL MEN ARE BORN FROM THE WILL OF THE FLESH,

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,10:46) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2013,10:19) Marty Quote All men are God's creatures, but no, they are not children of God unless they have born again. the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,being born again as nothing to do with it ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, some try to make i a doctrine and a ritual but that would be wrong T. Quote the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,        ***being  born again as nothing to do with it*** ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, Contradicting Jesus words one more time. When is this going to end? John 3:7   Marvel not that I said unto thee,             Ye ***must be born again***. Keep on contradicting the Lord. If that makes you feel good. This is spiritual desolation. wakeup. W I DID NOT CONTRADICT THE SCRIPTURES ,ONLY IN YOUR HEAD, YOU CANNOT BE RECONCILED WITH GOD OUR FATHER IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW HIS WILL AND LIVE BY IT ;THIS WILL MEAN BORN AGAIN ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT =THE WILL OF GOD ,NOT THE WILL OF THE FLESH AS ALL MEN ARE BORN FROM THE WILL OF THE FLESH,

T.

You still do not understand.
YOU MUST BE *BORN AGAIN* TO ENTER THE KINGDOM
OF GOD.
FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT ENTER:CAN NOT ENTER.

Are you truly born again?
Are you spirit?
Have you been born of the spirit?
Am I talking to a spirit?
Do you have wings?
Can you go up and down as you please.
Have you inherited all things?
Are you a saint?
Have you met the other saints?
Can you bring us a souvenir from heaven?
Have you met the 24 elders?
Have you met Micha'el,Gabri'el and others?
Have you seen the throne of God?
Have you seen the four beasts with six wings?
Are you coming with Jesus in the air.
Was Jesus born again?
When was he born again?

I noticed many are like you;walking and tiptoeing
as if they have wings,because they think they are
spirit. But then I saw them driving cars?
And also saw them queuing for tickets to the football.
And on blind dates.
It just does not add up.

It looks more like babel.(confusion).

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2013,16:41) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 10 2013,10:46) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2013,10:19) Marty Quote All men are God's creatures, but no, they are not children of God unless they have born again. the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,being born again as nothing to do with it ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, some try to make i a doctrine and a ritual but that would be wrong T. Quote the fact that we are still the children of God is shown by the fact that God send his son to save us ,        ***being  born again as nothing to do with it*** ,but is only the way to be reconciled with our God and creator ,and born again mean born in line with God's way and righteous way,nothing else, Contradicting Jesus words one more time. When is this going to end? John 3:7   Marvel not that I said unto thee,             Ye ***must be born again***. Keep on contradicting the Lord. If that makes you feel good. This is spiritual desolation. wakeup. W I DID NOT CONTRADICT THE SCRIPTURES ,ONLY IN YOUR HEAD, YOU CANNOT BE RECONCILED WITH GOD OUR FATHER IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW HIS WILL AND LIVE BY IT ;THIS WILL MEAN BORN AGAIN ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT =THE WILL OF GOD ,NOT THE WILL OF THE FLESH AS ALL MEN ARE BORN FROM THE WILL OF THE FLESH, T. You still do not understand. YOU MUST BE *BORN AGAIN* TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. FLESH AND BLOOD CAN NOT ENTER:CAN NOT ENTER. Are you truly born again? Are you spirit? Have you been born of the spirit? Am I talking to a spirit? Do you have wings? Can you go up and down as you please. Have you inherited all things? Are you a saint? Have you met the other saints? Can you bring us a souvenir from heaven? Have you met the 24 elders? Have you met Micha'el,Gabri'el and others? Have you seen the throne of God? Have you seen the four beasts with six wings? Are you coming with Jesus in the air. Was Jesus born again? When was he born again? I noticed many are like you;walking and tiptoeing as if they have wings,because they think they are spirit. But then I saw them driving cars? And also saw them queuing for tickets to the football. And on blind dates. It just does not add up. It looks more like babel.(confusion). wakeup.

w

you talk much but do not say much,

please tell me WHAT EXACTLY IT MEANS WHEN CHRIST SAYS ;TO BE BORN AGAIN “

[journey42]

terraricca,Dec. wrote:

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please tell me WHAT EXACTLY IT MEANS WHEN CHRIST SAYS ;TO BE BORN AGAIN “

Pierre,

You must be physically dead.  
Your heart stops beating,  
you are not breathing,
your body rots,
you are in the grave and time passes by, 
you know nothing.
Dead. Deceased. No more
Everything you have ever said or done, is buried with you.
What did you do in this life before you died?
Did you ask for forgiveness?,
did you follow the lamb?
if so, when he made the slate clean,
did you keep it clean?
did you find out how we had to change?
did you listen to instruction, and make those changes?
did you seek the truth with all your heart?
did you feed on Christ's flesh like he instructed
did you obtain wisdom?  
Did he share all things with you?
the past, the present, the future?
did you forgive your brother?
If you answered yes, then you would of obtained the holy spirit.
You would of taken this to the grave with you,
even though dead now, you have been sealed with the holy spirit of promise,
You are reserved, sleeping, knowing nothing,
but you are not an empty shell,
and then when the 7th trumpet blows,
you will be called by Christ to come out of your grave,
you will be given a new body,
you will be spirit,
a new creature again, a heavenly creature.
you have been transformed, changed, processed,
you are BORN AGAIN, just as promised,
you were in Zion's womb, the woman,
now she has delivered you,
she gives birth to you
and you will live forever.
You wil meet Christ in the air,
you will meet all the angels, and your real brothers and sisters who are just like you now,
you have inherited all that belongs to your Father,
and you can see him face to face now,
you will be “perfect”
you will never die again,
you will live forever
you have been “BORN AGAIN”

And then there are a few that will never see death,
only a few that will be kept alive at the 7th trump,
they will be changed in the twinkling of an eye,
they will be 'BORN AGAIN” also,
and they will join Christ in the air, and all the host of heaven.

[terraricca]

j42

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You must be physically dead. Your heart stops beating, you are not breathing,

prove me those three items with scriptures

[Wakeup]

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j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures

T.

Jesus was physically dead.
Then he was BORN AGAIN in a spirit body.
And so will we, in Christ be BORN AGAIN.
Can you see now what BORN AGAIN means?

We must die first,and then BORN ONE MORE TIME.
Born— AGAIN.

wakeup.

[journey42]

terraricca,Dec. wrote:

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j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures

At your command, dear brother.

Matthew 17:23   And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again ….
Acts 2:32   This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Romans 6:5   For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.
Romans 6:23   For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:11   But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Corinthians 6:14   And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1 Corinthians 15:42   So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1 Corinthians 15:43   It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1 Corinthians 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
2 Corinthians 4:14   Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Here is a teaser for you.  Please explain?
Revelation 12:2   And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Isaiah 66:7   Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

Isaiah 66:8   Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

John 3:3   Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:7   Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
John 3:8   The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,13:48) j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures T. Jesus was physically dead. Then he was BORN AGAIN in a spirit body. And so will we, in Christ be BORN AGAIN. Can you see now what BORN AGAIN means? We must die first,and then BORN ONE MORE TIME. Born— AGAIN. wakeup.

w/j42

let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW,

ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS ,

CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED

[terraricca]

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terraricca,Dec. wrote: [/quote] Quote j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures At your command, dear brother. Matthew 17:23   And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again …. Acts 2:32   This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Romans 6:5   For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection. Romans 6:23   For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 8:11   But if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 1 Corinthians 6:14   And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 1 Corinthians 15:42   So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1 Corinthians 15:43   It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1 Corinthians 15:44   It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 2 Corinthians 4:14   Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Here is a teaser for you.  Please explain? Revelation 12:2   And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. Isaiah 66:7   Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Isaiah 66:8   Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. John 3:3   Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:7   Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:8   The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

J42

YOU MAKING UP AN WEB OF SCRIPTURES THAT SPEAKS IN CONTEXT ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT THINGS ,AND TRY SO TO BE RIGHT IN APPLYING THEM TO THE “BORN AGAIN ” CLAIM OF YOURS,

ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO BE BORN AGAIN ,THIS EXCLUDES JESUS THE SON OF GOD ,HE IS WITHOUT SIN,

HIS RESURRECTION IS NOT TO BE MIXED WITH BEING BORN AGAIN ” TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS ,

BEING BORN AGAIN CAN AND HAS TO BE ACCOMPLISH PRIOR TO YOUR PHYSICAL DEAD ,

Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS

[GeneBalthrop]

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all does anyone knows what truth we HAVE to know to be saved or it is not a matter of knowledge but of truthfulless in our hearts and so love him with the knowledge that we constantly aquire on a daily base by studying his word ???or ……….???

Terricca……..That is we need to know and truly believe in Jesus and that God raised him from the Grave. God plainly said He loved the world so much that he gave his uniquely begotten Son that who ever believe in him “should” not Parish. but have everlasting life. John 3:16

peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

[GeneBalthrop]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,11:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,13:48) j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures T. Jesus was physically dead. Then he was BORN AGAIN in a spirit body. And so will we, in Christ be BORN AGAIN. Can you see now what BORN AGAIN means? We must die first,and then BORN ONE MORE TIME. Born— AGAIN. wakeup. w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED

Terricca……….Jesus did not die for his sins, he died for OUR sins, he was allowed to be GOD'S payment for all our sins and even for the sins of the whole world says John, not our only. Jesus indeed could have never died if he chose to because he had not sinned, so it was his own voluntary action to pay our sin debt, he was not forced to, he did it on his own, that is why it is so valued to GOD, he gave up his only life for us all. Without Jesus sacrifice our sins would still be on us and we would not have passed from judgement into life, but judgement and eternal death would have been the out come for all who have sinned. It was a great price the he payed for us all, so that is also why we are debtors to him and God the Father. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,11:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,13:48) j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures T. Jesus was physically dead. Then he was BORN AGAIN in a spirit body. And so will we, in Christ be BORN AGAIN. Can you see now what BORN AGAIN means? We must die first,and then BORN ONE MORE TIME. Born— AGAIN. wakeup. w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED

T.

Oh you of little knowledge.
Dont you understand that jesus died carrying all the sins of the world. Did he not have the crown of thorns put on His head?
What is the symbol of thorns?

wakeup.

[journey42]

terraricca,Dec. wrote:

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w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED

Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Pierre,

Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words)

I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing.  Dead first, then resurrected.  Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead.  He was BORN AGAIN.  Died flesh and raised spirit.  BORN AGAIN.

THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS.  THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK.

[Wakeup]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,01:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,11:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,13:48) j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures T. Jesus was physically dead. Then he was BORN AGAIN in a spirit body. And so will we, in Christ be BORN AGAIN. Can you see now what BORN AGAIN means? We must die first,and then BORN ONE MORE TIME. Born— AGAIN. wakeup. w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED Terricca……….Jesus did not die for his sins, he died for OUR sins, he was allowed to be GOD'S payment for all our sins and even for the sins of the whole world says John, not our only. Jesus indeed could have never died if he chose to because he had not sinned, so it was his own voluntary action to pay our sin debt, he was not forced to, he did it on his own, that is why it is so valued to GOD, he gave up his only life for us all.  Without Jesus sacrifice our sins would still be on us and we would not have passed from judgement into life, but judgement and eternal death would have been the out come for all who have sinned. It was a great price the he payed for us all, so that is also why we are debtors to him and God the Father. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………gene

Geneb.

Many will just believe and saying Lord Lord.
But they will be cast out.
Why?

We need to walk the talk.
Feed on His flesh and become as much like Him.
Let his spirit fill you as much as possible,so you can be
as bright as possible.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,01:06) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 11 2013,11:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2013,13:48) j42 Quote You must be physically dead.   Your heart stops beating,   you are not breathing, prove me those three items with scriptures T. Jesus was physically dead. Then he was BORN AGAIN in a spirit body. And so will we, in Christ be BORN AGAIN. Can you see now what BORN AGAIN means? We must die first,and then BORN ONE MORE TIME. Born— AGAIN. wakeup. w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED T. Oh you of little knowledge. Dont you understand that jesus died carrying all the sins of the world. Did he not have the crown of thorns put on His head? What is the symbol of thorns? wakeup.

w

what as that to do with being born again as explained by Jesus in the book of John 3 ,?

[terraricca]

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terraricca,Dec. wrote: [/quote] Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Pierre, Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words) I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing.  Dead first, then resurrected.  Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead.  He was BORN AGAIN.  Died flesh and raised spirit.  BORN AGAIN. THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS.  THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK.

j42

no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ;

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,)

no born again .

[Wakeup]

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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,01:06) Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Pierre, Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words) I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing.  Dead first, then resurrected.  Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead.  He was BORN AGAIN.  Died flesh and raised spirit.  BORN AGAIN. THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS.  THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK. j42 no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ; Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,) no born again .

T.

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Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

WHEN WAS HE THE FIRST BORN??
WAS HE NOT BORN OUT OF MARY?
HE WAS NOT THE FIRST BABY BABY BORN. IS HE?

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Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

WAS HE NAMED JESUS WHEN HE CREATED THE ANGELS??
WELL WHO WAS HE?

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Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

HE? WHO IS HE? JESUS? WAS HE BEFORE ALL THINGS?
WASN'T HE BORN 2000YRS AGO? WASN'T ABRAHAM BEFORE HIM?

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Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

FIRST ***BORN*** WHAT BORN?
HE WAS BORN OUT OF MARY;AND HE WAS NOT THE FIRST BABY BORN ON EARTH?? WAS HE??
OH. THE FIRST BORN OF THE DEAD.
I DONT KNOW IF THE DEAD CAN GIVE BIRTH.
HOW CAN THE DEAD BE BORN?

I KNOW YOU WILL NOT ANSWER,BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW.(tipical).

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,13:17) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,01:06) Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Pierre, Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words) I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing.  Dead first, then resurrected.  Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead.  He was BORN AGAIN.  Died flesh and raised spirit.  BORN AGAIN. THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS.  THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK. j42 no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ; Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,) no born again . T. Quote Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. WHEN WAS HE THE FIRST BORN?? WAS HE NOT BORN OUT OF MARY? HE WAS NOT THE FIRST BABY BABY BORN. IS HE? Quote Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. WAS HE NAMED JESUS WHEN HE CREATED THE ANGELS?? WELL WHO WAS HE? Quote Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. HE?  WHO IS HE? JESUS?  WAS HE BEFORE ALL THINGS? WASN'T HE BORN 2000YRS AGO? WASN'T ABRAHAM BEFORE HIM? Quote Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, FIRST ***BORN*** WHAT BORN? HE WAS BORN OUT OF MARY;AND HE WAS NOT THE FIRST BABY BORN ON EARTH?? WAS HE?? OH. THE FIRST BORN OF THE DEAD. I DONT KNOW IF THE DEAD CAN GIVE BIRTH. HOW CAN THE DEAD BE BORN? I KNOW YOU WILL NOT ANSWER,BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW.(tipical). wakeup.

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for Pete sake WHOM YOU THINK PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF IN COLOSIANS 1 JESUS CHRIST RIGHT OR ?

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 12 2013,08:41) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,13:17) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 12 2013,04:33) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2013,01:06) Quote w/j42 let make it clear JESUS WAS NOT A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN NOR A BORN AGAIN JEW, ONLY SINNERS HAVE TO COME TO BE BORN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THEIR SINFUL WAYS , CHRIST WAS WITHOUT SINS -SO NO BORN AGAIN NEEDED Colossians 1:18   And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Pierre, Now can you grasp the wisdom in God's words? (not my words) I gave you proof, not just one scripture but many scriptures, all saying the same thing.  Dead first, then resurrected.  Christ is the FIRSTBORN of the dead.  He was BORN AGAIN.  Died flesh and raised spirit.  BORN AGAIN. THIS SHOWS THAT MANY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS.  THEY THINK IT MEANS COMING TO GOD, AND CHANGING…….. BUT IT IS THE END RESULT OF COMING TO GOD, …..THE REWARD IS AT THE END OF OUR LIFE, NOT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR WALK. j42 no ,you are cutting the meaning and so the understanding of scriptures ; Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, understand that Christ his the beginning of the reconciliation with God ,and he came for the covering all the sins of all those who will believe in him ,so he paid the price ,the first ;because god wanted him to be first in everything that their is ,( first of creation,first in the resurrection for life,first to die for the love of others ,this God wanted so that Jesus as SUPREMACY IN EVERYTHING ,) no born again . T. Quote Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. WHEN WAS HE THE FIRST BORN?? WAS HE NOT BORN OUT OF MARY? HE WAS NOT THE FIRST BABY BABY BORN. IS HE? Quote Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. WAS HE NAMED JESUS WHEN HE CREATED THE ANGELS?? WELL WHO WAS HE? Quote Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. HE?  WHO IS HE? JESUS?  WAS HE BEFORE ALL THINGS? WASN'T HE BORN 2000YRS AGO? WASN'T ABRAHAM BEFORE HIM? Quote Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, FIRST ***BORN*** WHAT BORN? HE WAS BORN OUT OF MARY;AND HE WAS NOT THE FIRST BABY BORN ON EARTH?? WAS HE?? OH. THE FIRST BORN OF THE DEAD. I DONT KNOW IF THE DEAD CAN GIVE BIRTH. HOW CAN THE DEAD BE BORN? I KNOW YOU WILL NOT ANSWER,BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW.(tipical). wakeup. w for Pete sake  WHOM YOU THINK PAUL WAS SPEAKING OF IN COLOSIANS 1  JESUS CHRIST RIGHT OR ?

T.

My prediction came true.

Isaid you will not anwer,and it came true.

wakeup.

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