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December 8, 2012 at 8:56 pm#323739

Marlin1

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When The Word states as plainly as it does in Gen. 4 that “Adam knew Eve and she bear Cain”

I would not take any teachings that you have to say, “what this really means is…..”

Brother Rich,

I would never want you to take anything I say. The scripture plainly teaches it, you just can't receive it.

You use the above quote, which I have already address with the Word.
The scripture also says,

GEN 3:15 † And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Don't take my word for it. Check out all the bible interpretations.
Use your concordance and look these words up. enmity (Hatred), seed (offspring, children)

You think you are fighting against me, you are not. This is His Word and it is 'Thus Saith The Lord'

This is just one of the minor truths that has been revealed in this last day to make His people one with Him.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 8, 2012 at 9:06 pm#323740

terraricca

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Satan is cursed above every creature…..Before he abided in heaven as a cherub, now he is the LOWEST thing to the GROUND…..”upon thy belly”, just like a snake, and he shall eat only dust from now on ( No more spiritual food, no word of God ever again for him) but only dust..which is dirt (spiritually speaking)

could anyone tell me HOW CAN SATAN BE LOWERED DOWN TO ;;ABOVE THE CATLE AND SO BE ON THE GROUND ;;;CAN YOU PICTURE THIS

Brother Pierre,

That is because the scripture is talking about the serpent, not satan(a spirit). satan went into the serpent a beast and deceived Eve.

bro. Marlin

think on your answer ? did you answer my question NO

so try again

December 9, 2012 at 2:18 am#323784

journey42

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Sister Journey,

Yes ma, it is surly the fruit.
GEN 30:2 † And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

This has nothing to do with the forbidden fruit. This is about Rachael not being able to get pregnant. Two different meanings to fruit here. You have to discern.

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1) The serpent is not satan, satan is a spirit. The serpent was a giant of a beast, so close to man that his seed could and did germinate Eve's egg. Gen 3:1. satan went into the serpent, just like he does to man today.

Have you read this scripture yet?
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was out, THAT OLD SERPENT, called THE DEVIL, and SATAN, which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the earth and

December 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm#323862

journey42

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Sister Journey,

Yes ma, it is surly the fruit.
GEN 30:2 † And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?

This has nothing to do with the forbidden fruit. This is about Rachael not being able to get pregnant. Two different meanings to fruit here. You have to discern.

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Hi Marlin,

My last reply got cut off, as I lost connection and lost everything I answered. So be it. Maybe a sign for you to to
reply to just that one point, where you claim that the serpent is not Satan?

I await for your comment brother.

December 9, 2012 at 4:48 pm#323867

GeneBalthrop

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could anyone tell me HOW CAN SATAN BE LOWERED DOWN TO ;;ABOVE THE CATLE AND SO BE ON THE GROUND ;;;CAN YOU PICTURE THIS

Brother Pierre,

That is because the scripture is talking about the serpent, not satan(a spirit). satan went into the serpent a beast and deceived Eve.

bro. Marlin

Marlin1…….They do not understand that Satan is a Adveserial “Spiirit”, they think Satan is a Person. They do not understand the metaphoric language used in scripture. Some actually think Wisdom is a real women becasue it is called a She in scripture and even some think wisdom is Jesus. Some even believe where Jesus said they were of their father the devil the actually believe Satan Fathered them. Perdonification of Sprits in scripture is used all over the place as a Mataphoric expression. In fact not understand this is the source of much confusion with reuards to scriptures. IMO

peace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

December 10, 2012 at 3:20 am#323915

Richtuner

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Marlin1, you are doing just what I said the others do. The scriptures in Gen. 4 where it said that Adam knew Eve, and where God said He put enmity between the seeds are another thought and from different scriptures, and not talking about thing.
WHY BRING SCRIPTURES INTO THE SUBJECT THAT DOES NOT FIT???

Gen 4:1 And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she CONCEIVED, and bare Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man from the LORD”

She conceived when she knew Adam, not the serpent, she got a man from the LORD, not the serpent.

If you are going to look at any other scriptures then look at when Jesus told the people of His day that they were of their father, (as stated before, but ignored) the devil.

You really don't have a handle on the seed issue. You have been taught something that you have to insert scriptures that don't agree, or support what you believe, and other scriptures that do agree and support that which you don't believe will support it and confuses the whole thing for you.

December 10, 2012 at 7:20 am#323961

Marlin1

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Have you read this scripture yet?
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was out, THAT OLD SERPENT, called THE DEVIL, and SATAN, which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out into the earth and

Hi Marlin,

My last reply got cut off, as I lost connection and lost everything I answered. So be it. Maybe a sign for you to to
reply to just that one point, where you claim that the serpent is not Satan?

Sister Journey,

In Revelations serpent seems to be use as meaning the same as satan.

But most passages of scripture use the word serpent to refer to a SNAKE, which is what he was turned into after the curse (3:14)
This serpent in Genesis is a beast of the field before the curse.(3:14) and this serpent had a SEED (offspring) 3:15.
This serpent had legs and God toke them with the curse. 3:14. And it became a snake.

It was still not the satan, it was satan's wisdom in this serpent.
satan is not a creater, the only way he had to come into mankind was through the serpent.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 10, 2012 at 7:38 am#323963

Marlin1

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Gen 4:1 And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she CONCEIVED, and bare Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man from the LORD”

She conceived when she knew Adam, not the serpent, she got a man from the LORD, not the serpent.

Brother Rich,

You tell me that I don't have a handle on the seed issue, when I gave you the scriptures and you just won't accept them.

Before Adam knew Eve, the serpent new Eve. That is what the forbidden fruit is.

If you want to ignore the scriptures for what you have been taught, that is up to you. Don't just say that I am wrong and I don't have a handle on it.

I gave you a lot of scriptures and the evidence is overwhelming.

All you keep saying is Gen 4, that Adam knew his wife and she had Cain, a man from the Lord.
Before Adam knew his wife, the serpent knew his wife. And of course she got a man from the Lord, ALL LIFE COMES FROM THE LORD.

When a man makes a woman pregnant, Is the man the creator or is it the LORD?

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 10, 2012 at 9:09 am#323969

journey42

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Marlin1,Dec. wrote:

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Sister Journey,

In Revelations serpent seems to be use as meaning the same as satan.

In Revelations, it is revealing to us that the great dragon was cast out of heaven. He is THAT OLD SERPENT, and he is CALLED THE DEVIL AND SATAN. Same one. He was there in the beginning, the father of lies. He, Satan, who disguised himself as a serpent in the beginning is the the first one to sin against God. He has blasphemed the holy spirit and he will never be forgiven. Whoever follows him in his ways, is his seed, through their DEEDS. Just like whoever follows Christ, is his seed also.

We cannot refute this scripture. To say anything otherwise is denying the truth when it is in print, and used for verification, for doctrine, for reproof.

Rev 12:9 And the GREAT DRAGON was cast out, THAT OLD SERPENT, …CALLED THE DEVIL and SATAN., which decieveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him.

Please brother, have you got an honest heart. God has revealed this to us. We cannot make it mean any other thing. That same Serpent was there in the beginning, and he was Satan who took on that form of a snake. Serpent, snake, it's the same thing, regardless, it was Satan there, tempting eve. This is what he does. He was a liar from the beginning and a murderer.

December 10, 2012 at 9:36 am#323970

journey42

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But most passages of scripture use the word serpent to refer to a SNAKE, which is what he was turned into after the curse (3:14)

Marlin, Genesis 3:14 does not say that. You are not being clear. Who was turned into a snake, are you suggesting the serpent? Serpent and snake mean the same thing. How can a snake turn into a snake?

This is what genesis says.

Genesis 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

God was talking to Satan here, who disguised himself as a snake. He is cursed above every creature. His spirit is now made just as low as a snake. He will eat DUST all the days of his life, because God will never feed him again on spiritual food – The Word of God. He will always be starving hungry, never will he take part in the light. He will always be in darkness, desolate, till he is finished.

You cannot twist Genesis 3:14 to say what they have taught you. Their doctrine has holes in it. I can read for myself Marlin, and you should be able to discern as well. You cannot use this scripture as proof. It does not say what you are saying. You are adding extra. You can give other scriptures to make your point, yes, but not this one. It is not evidence, and has to be thrown out of court.

Look at this scripture.

God is talking to the King of Tyre. Satan was in him. God is speaking directly to Satan.

Ezekiel 28:13 … THOU HAST BEEN IN EDEN, THE GARDEN OF GOD; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold; the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the DAY THAT THOU WAST CREATED.

Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the ANOINTED CHERUB that covereth, and I have set thee so thou wast upon theHOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD; thou hast walked up and down in the MIDST OF THE STONES OF FIRE.

Ezekiel 28:15 [/size=5]THOU WAS PERFECT IN THY WAYS FROM THE DAY THAT THOU WAS CREATED, TILL INIQUITY WAS FOUND IN THEE[/size].

Was the King of Tyre in the GARDEN OF EDEN?
No,
Was the king of Tyre an annointed Cherub?
No,
So who was in the GARDEN OF EDEN?
SATAN, THE CHERUB, WHO HAS FALLEN, HE WAS THE ONE IN THE GARDEN.
HE WAS THE ONE THAT DECIEVED EVE,
SATAN, THE CHERUB., Who was called Lucifer then.

December 10, 2012 at 10:22 am#323971

journey42

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Brother Marlin

Lets look at this scripture now

Genesis 3:15 And I will put emnity between thee and THE WOMAN, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If you can see this it would make my heart rejoice.
This is a prophecy of what was to come.
The WOMAN mentioned here is not EVE, but this woman here.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder IN HEAVEN,….A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

Rev 12:5 And she (the woman) brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

(…This is God's WOMAN, … ZION, God's Holy City, his kingdom, because it comes from HEAVEN, not earth. This woman gave birth. Her first child was Jesus.
Jesus is born of Zion.
The WOMAN IS CARRYING OTHER CHILDREN, AND THEY WILL BE BORN IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION, BUT FIRST THE LABOUR PAINS MUST START BEFORE THEY ARE BORN….tribulation.).

Rev 12:17 And the DRAGON was wroth with THE WOMAN and went to make WAR with THE REMNANT OF HER SEED which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

This is THE WOMAN, prophesied about in Genesis. ZION, God's spiritual City. (Satan's spiritual city is called Babylon the Great)
God depicts Zion as a WOMAN, because a woman multiplies, and produces children. Zion will produce many children, when she gives birth again (the First resurrection of the saints)
God has put emnity between the Serpent (Satan), and the WOMANS SEED (followers of Jesus Christ)
These two will never gel, they are always at spiritual war against each other. One holy, belonging to God, and the other in darkness, belonging to Satan's kingdom. They not supposed to meld together, but against what the other believes and practises..

Gen 3:15 ……it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The WOMAN shall bruise thy head….Satan's head was not destroyed, but BRUISED, when he was cast out of heaven after the resurrection, (shamed, demoted)
…”and thou shalt bruise his heel”……Satan bruised Jesus heel when he caused him to be crucified. This is a fact.

This is obviously not talking about EVE, as the WOMAN. This is prophecy. Already fulfilled.

Please come out of the darkness brother, for there is enough light for everybody while it still shines.

December 10, 2012 at 4:05 pm#323987

Richtuner

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To all,
I have seen many views on how to interpret scriptures here in the forum. Most of them always use scriptures that don't fit with the subject and a lot of them migrate to another thought.

Paul told us that we should rightly divide the Word to truth. Rightly dividing would surely include knowing what scriptures fit into a particular subject or not. He also told Timothy to “consider what I say and the Lord will give you understanding in all things”.

When the scriptures don't give you understanding, just a lot of wisdom then you can get puffed up with knowledge but not understand what you know.

Sometimes we need a foundation in order to build other subjects, thoughts and knowledge upon. Sometimes we get an understanding on a subject and it will enforce the foundation.
So knowledge can build a foundation or it can only be supported by the foundation if it is with understanding. It can go either way, but they must agree and fit with understanding.

I have been in airplanes, but do not understand how to fly one. I know how they get off the ground and stay afloat, but you need some one with understand how to fly and control it when it goes wrong.
In other words you can't control and operate in anything that you don't have an understanding in. You might fake it for a while, but sooner or later you knowledge will fail you because you have no understanding.

December 10, 2012 at 11:18 pm#324019

journey42

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To all,
I have seen many views on how to interpret scriptures here in the forum. Most of them always use scriptures that don't fit with the subject and a lot of them migrate to another thought.

When the scriptures don't give you understanding, just a lot of wisdom then you can get puffed up with knowledge but not understand what you know.

Hi Richturner

That is true what you say, but now you have to give more reasons why you say this. You are generalising, and you could be referring to anyone, even myself.

Give your reasons please why you state what you state, and please rebuke if you do not agree with anything, and give scriptures and explanations why just to make yourself clear.

Many have been in the dark now for too long, and many should know these things. Eg, who Zion is? Why God calls her his woman. Why was she travailing in labour, who is this man child that she gave birth to? Who is the remnant of her seed? Why is the dragon making war with that seed?
Who is the dragon?, and why is he mentioned as that old serpent and called The Devil and Satan?
Who was Satan originally?
and who was this cherub walking in the garden of eden with every precious stone as his covering?

Having knowledge is not being puffed up. We should all desire it, if we are interested in discerning the truth, we should never be ashamed but speak confidently to glorify our heavenly father, and his magnificence on how he plans and works so wonderfully.

Thank you.

December 10, 2012 at 11:49 pm#324021

Marlin1

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Whoever follows him in his ways, is his seed, through their DEEDS. Just like whoever follows Christ, is his seed also.

Sister Journey,

The above is not entirely correct the way it is written. Many today believe that they just need to follow Christ, the best they can. Jesus said,

“MAT 7:22 † Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 † And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Jesus also said, “JOHN 3:3 † Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Unless a person is born again with the Spirit of God dwelling in their heart, they will NEVER EVEN see the kingdom of heaven.

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We cannot refute this scripture. To say anything otherwise is denying the truth when it is in print, and used for verification, for doctrine, for reproof.

Scripture is always correct, but our understanding is a lot of the time wrong.

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he was Satan who took on that form of a snake. Serpent, snake, it's the same thing, regardless, it was Satan there, tempting eve.

This is your opinion of the scriptures. satan CAN NOT CREATE, PERIOD, satan entered into the serpent, which was not a snake and had a SEED. The serpent became a snake after the curse.
satan was in the serpent and DECEIVED EVE and showed her sex. Then she gave to her husband and they KNEW they were NAKED. Open your eyes, it is all right there.

It was not just a spiritual sin, our flesh is fallen.
For this reason, our flesh must perish. For this reason we are born sinners.

All the scripture, from beginning to end is correct and must line up.

The scripture says, the sins of the father do not transfer to the son. Adam and Eve's sin of unbelief would not transfer to the sons. Yet we everyone are born sinners, because of the blood sin in the garden.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 11, 2012 at 1:16 am#324024

Marlin1

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Genesis 3:15 And I will put emnity between thee and THE WOMAN, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

If you can see this it would make my heart rejoice.
This is a prophecy of what was to come.
The WOMAN mentioned here is not EVE, but this woman here.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder IN HEAVEN,….A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

Rev 12:5 And she (the woman) brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 12:17 And the DRAGON was wroth with THE WOMAN and went to make WAR with THE REMNANT OF HER SEED which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Gen 3:15 ……it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Sister Journey,

We have been talking about the flesh of man and now you have taken it to a spiritual side and are trying to show that is man. There is a spiritual side to everything, but you are trying to mix them. Jesus was GOD, born a FLESH man and His mother was Mary. And He was the seed of the woman spoken of in Genesis, the FLESH MAN JESUS. Just like the seed of the serpent was a FLESH MAN (CAIN).

You want to make this all spiritual, but that in no way would cause man's flesh to be rotten.

The Seed of the woman was a man-child, (Jesus), apart from the man, then the seed of the serpent will have to be in the same pattern, and that is another male must be born apart from human male instrumentality. The Christ, who came by the instrumentality of God, apart from human male. And Cain, the seed of the serpent came the same way, apart from human male.

Revelation is written in symbolism and these scriptures you are trying to use as spiritual are also real events. It was Rome that tried to kill Jesus, King Herod. Pagan Romes fatal injury was healed and we got Papal Rome.

God Bless
bro. Marlin

December 11, 2012 at 4:38 am#324052

terraricca

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who ever told you that story men he should be placed in an mental institution if he is not there already.

December 11, 2012 at 5:03 am#324058

Ed J

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