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Hi Gene
Your backing up you half brother Nick, Good for you Gene, your helping him to stay into false doctrine that Jesus Christ is just man like the early Gnostic- Adoptionists, listen Gene you’ll see at one of the resurrection who is right. This conversation just go on and on doesn’t Gene. Is there anything else you share. God bless 🙏
This may help:
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
God bless
Hi Gene,
The Word of God is never wasted and does not return to God without a crop.
It causes men to reveal their hearts towards God.
Nick…..The word of the Lord is wasted on the blind, neither does it profit them. Blind simply leads blind and they all fall into the ditch, and Groupe at the wall. Leave them alone and let them go where they are destined.
They are those who preach a doctrine of “SEPERATION” from our lord, workers of iniquity, whose end will be “SEPERATION”, from God the Father and our lord Jesus, when he comes and says to them , ” depart from me you workers of iniquity, for I know you not, from whence you come. Sorrow upon sorrow and vexation of Spirit.
These are true words concerning them, All is, Vanity and vexation of Spirit .
While our responces help build us , it does them no good at all, brother, Have they not been told?, therefore their blood is on their own head. There maybe those who read read our words here who also may benefit. But I know these here don’t, that’s for sure.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Nick,
You:
Did the ONE SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit, enter the man Jesus at conception? Any scriptures?Me:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,…
Me: The Word entered the man, the Messiah simultaneously at his human conception. The Word of God is God himself expressed. Thus the holy spirit was in the Messiah at conception.
You: Did the Holy Spirit, Who will never leave or forsake him, leave him at death?
Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me. 47 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Me: The Messiah gave up the holy spirit. He died for us so we do not need to die. He will never leave us if we endure to the end.
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Me: The Messiah meekly gave up his life for us and yielded to the will of his Father. He became the sacrificial lamb for us.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Me: His Father had instructed the Messiah give up his life for our sins. He was innocent and had to put up with the abuse and humiliation for us.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
You: Was he also raised by the same Holy Spirit that was in him?
Me:
Romans 11:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Me: The Word in the Messiah raised the human from the dead by the holy spirit in him.
You: Is Jesus now alive by the Spirit that raised him?
Me: Yes.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
You: If so when did the Holy Spirit return?
Me: by Christ’s resurrection from the dead.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live
Hi Nick,
You:
Yes the Spirit leads to life. Did Adam have the Holy Spirit?Me: Not when he was made.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
You: Do the Sons of Adam all have the Holy Spirit?
No, Unless you repent and God gives it to you.
Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit AND his breath; 15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
1 Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Me: all men and beast have one breath of life. Those with the holy spirit have this spirit in them also. After the resurrection and glorification of the Lord, those saints that have died in the OT are risen spiritually to eternal life by that holy spirit.
Eccl 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity…21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast (breath) that goeth downward to the earth?
Eccl 13:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Me: All men and animals have the breath of life that returns to the dust at death. The spirit of God returns to him. The spirit of man is the holy spirit of man.
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Me: The breath of life is not the final breath. It was not so in the OT. It was not here in John 20:22 whereas after they would receive the promise of the holy spirit at and after Pentecost with the heart of the man Yasha in it.
You have to read between the lines to find your views on Jesus because it is not taught in scripture, rather you need to add stuff to arrive at your meaning.
This is what I believe and I’m opposed and told I don’t have a spirit.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.
There it is. I believe this. Let the accusations begin again. Lol. But time is short. Repent and believe what is written. Ignore at your own peril.
Hi TC,
The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable .Rom 11.29
God NEVER took the Holy Spirit from His anointed son.
Our God is unlike faithless men but is ever faithful.
‘I will never desert you or forsake you’ Heb 13.5
Hi TC,
You really believe that God would take His Holy Spirit away from His beloved Son?
Then you do not know our God.
I had written this among other things to show you that one receives the holy spirit if one repents and God gives him the holy spirit.
You: Do the Sons of Adam all have the Holy Spirit?
No, Unless you repent and God gives it to you.Right after this you write:
You: ‘The holy spirit of man.”
Nonsense.
Me: The holy spirit of man is in man if he has it. What is nonsense is how you reason.
Hi TC,
THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF MAN
Nothing of natural man is holy.
Holiness only relates to the things of God or used in the service of God.
If God chooses to give us of His Spirit it remains His Spirit in us and does not become our spirit.
Hi TC,
None of your verses say that the Holy Spirit entered Jesus at conception.
Do you have any more to try to stand your idea on?
Hi Nick,
You: THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF MAN
Nothing of natural man is holy.
Holiness only relates to the things of God or used in the service of God.If God chooses to give us of His Spirit it remains His Spirit in us and does not become our spirit.
Me: I didn’t say anything of natural man is holy. The holy spirit in man is holy and becomes the holy spirit of man when one receives and follows it.
Hi Nick,
You: THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF MAN
Nothing of natural man is holy.
Holiness only relates to the things of God or used in the service of God.
If God chooses to give us of His Spirit it remains His Spirit in us and does not become our spirit.Me: I didn’t say anything of natural man is holy. The holy spirit in man is holy and becomes the holy spirit of man when one receives and follows it.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Me: We can follow the holy spirit into life or the flesh into death.
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God…The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Me: In the end there is only one spirit for the whole creation. I have shown you this. Those that overcome inherit all things as co-inheritors with Christ. This includes the holy spirit.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Hi Nick,
The gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable .Rom 11.29
Me: They are irrevocable as long as you live.
Luke 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
Hi Nick,
You: God NEVER took the Holy Spirit from His anointed son.
Our God is unlike faithless men but is ever faithful.
‘I will never desert you or forsake you’ Heb 13.5Me: He will never desert you, but you can desert him and quench the holy spirit in you.
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5 HE THAT OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Me: We will have many trails and tribulations. This is expected. But you must endure to the end to be saved.
1 Thes 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
Me: This means we can quench or extinguish the spirit
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Me: Do not turn your back on God. You will quench the holy spirit in you. Then you will face a fiery trail in the Lake of Fire that will cleanse you after the millennium.
Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Me They will still be saved, but lose out on the first resurrection and face judgment.
1 Cor 3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, AFTER the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed (chrio) Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Jesus was indeed ANOINTED at the RIVER ACCORDING to SCRIPTURE, though people like to deny it, God speaks of this anointed Jesus calling him His Son, and THEN THIS SON was sent out into the world.
Biblical fact, Jesus the son of David is declared God’s Son ACCORDING to the Holy Spirit and God had promised David’s son that He would beget his son on a certain day making him into His own Son.
Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased….Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath ANOINTED me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath SENT me to heal the brokenhearted to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Jesus is called the Christ the anointed BECAUSE he WAS anointed AT the river with God’s Spirit. He was sent out and the people beheld his glory. WHOSE glory did the people behold? Jesus of Nazareth who they saw perform miracles through the powers he had received FROM his anointing. WHO is called God’s Only begotten Son, this Jesus of Nazareth the people witnessed. WHY is he called this, because God fulfilled His promise to David.
Jesus is called God’s Son BECAUSE he is the son of David of God’s promise, he was anointed with God’s Spirit and he is declared God’s Son according to the Spirit of Holiness. Jesus is called Christ BECAUSE he was anointed at the river.
He is the ONLY Son of Man to has been anointed with God’s Spirit without measure.
TC..
This is how Nick largely debates others. He argues against his own misunderstandings of what others actually said. He seems to either be incapable in which case he shouldn’t teach, or he is bearing false witness in which case he should repent.
Remember this though, that even if a man’s doctrine is correct, without love he is nothing.
The fruit shows what the tree is. If a person accuses day and night, then that is not coming from God because the accuser is another.
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