The Ordinary Jesus Brigade

[NickHassan]

Hi Gene,

CONTEXT.

2Peter 1

Simon Peter, a bondservantand apostle of Jesus Christ, TO THOSE WHO HAVE RECEIVED

A FAITH OF THE SAME KIND AS OURS, by the righteousness of our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3.7f

But the present heavens and earth by His Word are being reserved for fire,

kept for the day of judgement and destruction of ungodly men. But do not

let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is

as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord s not slow about His promise, as some countslowness but is patient

towards YOU, not wanting for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

 

God has called us out of darkness into His wonderful light and we can see the promises being fulfilled.

But the godless have no light and no hope.

[Anthony]

Hi Nick

You said:

Hi Anthony,

God is the Saviour and He sent His Son to die that we might live.

But most refuse His offer.

Nick on page 75 I posted to T8 about freewill you oughta read it.

 

[GeneBalthrop]

Nick…..If God can take the stoney (hard heart)  out of us, and give us hearts of flesh (soft hearts) and write his laws on our hearts, can he not do that for all?  Espically if he is not will that any parish.

I know at this time salvation is about those God foreknew and has elected to save, as the first fruits, but that is not to say the rest will not be saved . There is another day Nick.

1 John 2:2…..And he is the propitious for our sins: and not for OURS ONLY, but (ALSO) the sins of the Whole world.

GOD the Father who blinds, can also enlighten  brother.  JESUS said to pray like this,  “our father who art in heaven holy be thy name,  thy kingdom come thy “WILL” be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us debts, as we forgive our debtors, and lead  us  not into temptation, but deliever us from the evil.

1 Ti 2:3-4….”For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, who will have “ALL” men to be “SAVED”, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

If it is God’s WILL  that will be done and his will is that “ALL” men be saved, and ALL things are possible with God, then there is a GOOD CHANCE ALL will be saved,  brother.

Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene

 

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Gene,

A GOOD CHANCE?

Presumption rules.

[Anthony]

Hi Nick

Can you see how they use the words Sheol, Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna in the English Hell. Do you suppose that they had too, because of there doctrine of (eternal torment in Hell (the Lake of Fire). I myself think they did this on purpose.

Hades IS sheol. Hades is the Greek translation in the New Testament when an Old Testament Hebrew verse is quoted containing the word “sheol.” Here is an example:

Acts 2:27– “Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [Gk:hades] , neither wilt thou suffer Your Holy One to see corruption” 

This is a quote from Psalm 16:10:

“For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [Heb: sheol] ; neither wilt thou suffer Your Holy One to see corruption.”

So the Holy Spirit inspired the New Testament writers to translate the Hebrew word sheol into the Greek word hades. Therefore, sheol IS hades and hades IS sheol, and this is precisely how Dr. Strong defines them:

Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary: #7585, “sheol, hades or the world of the dead.

Tartarus

Nick On one occasion the King James  renders the word tartarus, as hell. Tartarus means “abyss–a place of restraint,” (also called “the deepest abyss of the Greek hades”). The word tartarus can be traced to the underworld of the pagan Egyptians. Tartarus is an Egyptian word, not Greek. And this one-time use in the King James clearly has reference to angels being held in restraint until their (not our) judgment. Humans are never connected with tartarus, only angels.

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [ tartarus–abyss] , and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment” (II Pet 2:4).

And this place of restraint ( “chains of darkness”) is only until we (I Cor. 6:3) judge the angels (“judgment”),not for eternity.

Gehenna

In Matt. 9:43 & 45, the Judgment for offending with our eyes, hands, and feet is again mentioned, and here we learn that the fire of this judgment“…never shall be quenched.” It is not eternal fire, but it is fire that shall not be “put out” until it “burns out” all that it is designed to purge. So Gehenna fire is also the notorious “unquenchable fire.” And so Gehenna fire and unquenchable fire are the same fire of JUDGMENT.

    GEHENNA FIRE IS THE FURNACE OF FIRE

“The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things [those] that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Matt. 13:41-42).

This is the same Judgment of Gehenna fire which is used to judge all those who offend with their eyes, hands, and feet. Here ALL who offend are put into a furnace of fire which is the same as the unquenchable fire, and the Gehenna fire.

GEHENNA FIRE IS EVERLASTING [EONIAN]   FIRE

Nick notice that Judgment for offending with our eyes, hands, or feet, is once again called Gehenna fire in Matt. 18:9  If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.. But back in verse 8 this Judgment for the same sin is called “everlasting [Gk: ‘aionios/eonian/age-lasting] fire.”

So here we have Scriptural proof that Gehenna fire, and everlasting [eonian/age-abiding] fire are one and the same fire. And so “everlasting/eonian fire” is just another term for the judgment of Gehenna.

The Lake of Fire

 GEHENNA FIRE/EONIAN FIRE IS THE LAKE OF FIFI:

When Jesus returns to this earth in glory with His holy angels (Matt. 25:31)But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. He will come with great power to JUDGE (Rev. 19:11),And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.  and those who oppose Him will be thrown into “a lake of fire” (Verse 20). Satan also is cast into this “lake of fire” (Rev. 20:10)And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever., and “death and hell/hades” is cast into this “lake of fire” (Verse 14).

Now then, what fire does Jesus say he will use for His judgment on the goats and on the Devil and his messengers? It is“everlasting/eonian/age-abiding fire”(Matt. 25:41)Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;. Once more we have clear Scriptural proof that all these descriptions of fiery Judgment are the very same fire, and that Fire is GOD:

“For our God is A CONSUMING FIRE“ (Heb. 12:29).

Gehenna fire is the furnace of fire,the unquenchable fire, the everlasting [Gk; eonian/age-abiding] fire, and the lake of fire, as we just saw proven by Scripture.

And this fire by five names is God’s Judgment: upon His disciples (Matt. 5:22) But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. Also see v. 29 and v.30

upon the Pharisees (Matt. 23:33)  You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?upon the chaff (Matt. 3:12) spiritual goats (His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”. 25:32 and 41)upon trees which bear no good fruit (Matt. 7:19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.upon the spiritual tares (Matt. 13:40) So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. upon all the WICKED (Matt. 13:49-50) So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,⁵⁰ and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that placethere will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

All these five are the same one fire, and this fire is the “Consuming Fire” of God that JUDGES BOTH US AND THE WORLD. And it is clearly stated that “The lake of fire IS the second death” (Rev. 20:14) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. and (21:8) But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their partwill be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”. The lake of fire is JUDGMENT, and the lake of fire is the second death.Therefore, the SECOND death IS GOD’S JUDGEMENTS UPON BOTH THE WICKED AND THE ELECT!

There is to be judgment upon the wicked and judgment upon God’s Elect of The House of God. And both of these groups are judged by the spiritual fire of God Almighty, “For our God IS a consuming fire” (Heb. 12:29).

God bless Nick

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

Gehenna is not the same as the others and being thrown into it is the RESULT of the final judgement.

Hades is the place of waiting for judgement shown by Jesus in Lk 16 and too goes into Gehenna.

Your teachers try to soothe your anxieties but they are deceived so do not follow them.

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

Perhaps you are beginning to understand the seriousness of the problem facing every man born.

And the incredible free gift of salvation from this fate offered by the Lord God in Christ Jesus.

You must repent and be born again of water and the Spirit into the only begotten Son of God.

[Anthony]

Hi Nick

Well Nick  I told you the truth now you know what you do with it is up to you, the Spirit of God will guide you in to All truth sometimes it take long for some then it does for others. Well Nick may God be with you and led you into the truth of these words and just what is the Lake of Fire. God bless Nick

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

No you offered us someone else’s predigested ideas designed to lead us away from the truth.

Why not search the scriptures yourself and let The Author of truth teach you.

 

[Anthony]

Hi Nick

Nick I showed you from scripture a these word. I’m or Uneversalis’s are not at fault for these words Nick.It it’s how you believe and those that belive in a tormenting Hell for ever and ever that change the Word. Even the phrase  for ever and ever,ages of ages.  Nick you don’t use much scripture.

Well God Nick .May God bring you to the place we’re you can believe the Word of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

If your ears like to be tickled then you will find many willing to comfort you.

Truth shows a starker picture.

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

There is no Matt 9.43 so your leaders are careless.

There is a Mk 9.43 that is relevant.

 

Judgement begins at the house of God.

If there are such severe warnings for the followers of the Lord Jesus how should we walk?

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

Rev 20.12

And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books

were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead

were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

And Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

But you think men are rehabilitated by the lake of fire?

Write your own bible.

[NickHassan]

Hi Dig4,

You told us the sons of God are gods and when questioned about this claim never answered.

Why is this?

[Proclaimer]

Anthony, a free will means you have your own will independant of God’s will. With that will, you can choose to obey God or not obey God. This is essentially the choice Adam and Eve had in the garden as there were to specific trees.

[Anthony]

Hi Nick

Nick I have no leaders other then The Lord Jesus Christ. I left Babylon 30 year ago. you? You hang on to there false teaching of  a tormenting Hell for ever and ever. Ages of Ages, ages have starting point and a end.

God bless

[Anthony]

Hi Nick                                                 The scripture that I made made.          a mistake on  is Matt. 13:49-50

⁴⁹ So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, ⁵⁰ and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Well there you go Nick now you have it. This might of been the scripture that would have changed your mind about  your tormenting Hell. Hell means Hades= grave. God bless Nick

[Anthony]

Hi Nick

I’m really not interested in Greek mythology on what Hades is.

Strong’s Definitions

†ᾅδης háidēs, hah’-dace; from G1(as negative particle) and G1492; properly, unseen, i.e. “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls:—grave, hell.

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KJV Translation Count — Total: 11x

The KJV translates Strong’s G86 in the following manner: hell (10x), grave (1x).

Well  Nick   Sheol= Hades= Grave most of the time they translated it Hell try to make us think that it’s a place of tormenting eternal Fire, liking it to the Lake of Fire.     you really can’t see that.( Hell instead of grave.) Nick when we are In the grave where dead.  Look at how the word Sheol is used in the Old Testament.  Nick Gehenna is the Valley of Hinnom, they even translate this word has Hell in places. Why????  Tell me Nick. Can’t you see that it’s a ploy of Satan messing with God’s Word through Translators.    God bless Nick

[NickHassan]

Hi Anthony,

Perhaps you prefer the SANTA CLAUS version of truth to reality.

Jesus told us about HADES in Lk 16.23

[GeneBalthrop]

Anthony and Nick… where is say ‘and the “dead” were judged, is that saying that they still are dead when they are being judged.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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