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Hi T8,
Even godless Herod knew that the Messiah was a man who would have to be born somewhere
But you go further and announce that he was already anointed.
Do not trust your own understanding.Prov3
Stay within what is revealed. 2jn9
Okay, so the one in purple is correct, and the one is red is code. But you need this spirit to decipher it?
Nick, no one is denying that Jesus was a man. We know he emptied himself and came in the flesh. But you deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and no matter how much you try to change reality, it will always be you that needs to conform. You are fighting a battle you have already lost. Count your losses now and make the future bright.
Hi T8,
It is not a carnal contest.
Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
Can you explain your understanding of this truth?
Yes I will explain. Jesus Christ was born a man. He partook of flesh. That happened when he was born as a human. That took place in Bethlehem. He was actually born as the Christ, saviour, and lord as it is written. You say otherwise.
Nick says that Jesus was NOT born the Christ. Jesus was NOT born the saviour. Jesus was NOT born as the lord. He denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and teaches that he was NOT the Christ for most of his life, but later on became Christ in the last 3 or so years of his life among us at his baptism to be precise. Scripture does not backup Nick’s version of events however. He preaches a Jesus that doesn’t match the Jesus in scripture. Another Jesus? Nick cannot admit to the truth we read in scripture and as declared by a heavenly messenger:
Luke 2:11
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.Nick, you should have an argument with this angel as we merely believe the heavenly messenger as it is recorded in scripture. Argue with God for sending that angel who spoke the words you are disagreeing with. You say we lack a certain spirit that would have us deny the message of this heavenly messenger. I wonder what spirit would incite such a thing?
T8……no one is denying JESUS did not become those things, that were prophesied of him, but a prophesy is alway about the future, JESUS was prophecied to be those things, but it did not happen till it happened, yes Jesus was the “prophesied savior” the one who would take away the sins of the world, and to sit on the throne of his father king David, and to be the messiah of GOD, BUT that all did not happen at his berth, it happened over time, even thought that was Jesus’ destiny.
Nick is tight in what he is saying about this. Jesus was not born that he became that even though that was his “prophecied ” destiny, Surely you do know that right?, tell us one person Jesus ever saved upon his berth? If what you say is true. That is that he was already a savior at his berth. Who did he save at his berth?, do you people know of any? And I f he was already the savior of the world at berth , why did he have to die, on the cross/stake. Seening according to you people he was the savior alread at berth.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene, as a reminder David’s throne is not the only throne that Yeshua sits on.
Rev 3:21 He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Since you believe that Yeshua could not save anyone prior to His death and resurrection I have to conclude that no one was saved before the approximate time of 30 AD. Hmm, somehow that doesn’t seem correct. What do you think? Unless of course you believe in some other way of salvation.
Hi T8,
Thank you.
So Jesus Christ was born a man, was born human.
You agree this man was conceived in Mary and named Jesus by his family after his birth, or did he exist before then?
Hi T8,
Did you partake of flesh and so it just another way of saying CONCEIVED?
If it does not mean that, what does it mean?
Hi T8,
1thess 5 seems to offer us a definition of a man.
‘..‘I pray God that your whole spirit and soul andbody be reserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ.’
Is this how you see the man Jesus or is he a preexistent being that somehow became a man by adding flesh?
He was named JESUS by his parents but you call him Jesus Christ before that?
‘Jesus Christ’ relates to his anointing. When was he anointed?
To partake of flesh is to partake of mankind. Yes I partook of flesh as we all did. But not all partake of divine nature. We must be born of water and the Spirit. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
You say that Jesus Christ partook of the flesh, but you deny that Jesus was born the Christ when he came in the flesh as it was declared by a heavenly messenger.
Thus, you deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. What you actually believe is Jesus came in the flesh or is the flesh, but not Jesus Christ coming in the flesh which is how we test the spirit of your teaching.
If you do not believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh when Mary was betrothed to Joseph, when exactly did he come in the flesh in your teaching? At the baptism in Jordan?
I know you do not answer yes or no and we all know why that is, so I will assume you believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh at the baptism by John at the Jordan. Yet where does it say Jesus came in the flesh at the Jordan? It doesn’t. You seem full of your own understanding and full of scriptural contradictions. And in your defence you point out that there is this spirit that leads you to this, yet scripture tells us what spirit denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. I am sure you can at least see why those that love are wary of you. What is your defence?
He was named JESUS by his parents but you call him Jesus Christ before that?
‘Jesus Christ’ relates to his anointing. When was he anointed?
You clearly believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh at the Jordan and not when he was born in Bethlehem.
I have provided a scripture to show that Jesus was born the Christ and thus came in the flesh. Where is your scripture to show us Jesus Christ instead came in the flesh at the Jordan? Chapter and verse please.
T8…..you got it backwards, the man Jesus, was born a human being, not a messiah or anointed one, when he was about 32 years old he then was anointed, and became the messiah, anoint with the holy spirit, which came I to him, and that spirit lead him out into the wilderness to be tested m after that GOD WHO WAS THE ANOINTING SPIRIT, SENT HIM OUT INTO THE WORLD, to preach the good news of the kin g Dom of God, after that he was sacrificed for the sins of the world by GOD THE father, he “then” went on to become the slain lamb of God, he was God’s sacrifice for the sins of the world, do you know why he was God’s scrafical lamb? , what was God saying by that sacrifice “he” Gave to the whole world?, have yo u any clue?, I doubt it, so I will tell you clearly, GOD THE FATHER WAS SAYING BY SACRIFICING JESUS, THAT HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL SINS, WHY? BECAUSE HE ALLOWED SIN TO ENTER THE WORLD IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND HE OFFERED “HIS” OUN SON AS PAYMENT FOR ALL SIN.
That may be hard for some to accept, but just as the sinner in the old testement had to offer a lamb for his sins, and there by taking full responsible for his sin, even so GOD TOOK FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR “ALL” SIN EVER COMMITED IN THIS WORLD, AND OFFERED HIS OWN SACFIFICE FOR “ALL” SIN. JESUS THE “LAMB” OF GOD. THERE BY JESUS DEATH TOOK AWAY THE DEATH PENALTY OF ALL SIN. We are surely debtors to not only GOD THE FATHER M BUT ALSO HIS SON JESUS. IMO
But T8, you preach the lamb died before he actually died. That simply is not true, Jesus was not anointed with the holy spirit till he was baptized by John at the Jordan river, and then recieved it (the Father) into him, just as scripture plainly shows. Why are you against Jesus’ anointing at the JORDAN river?
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi T8,
For the record I did not partake of flesh.
I was conceived like my Saviour.
Though my father was a man.
Nick…..you say rubbish, but give no explanation, tell me this could God not have prevented any sin in humanity if he so chose to? Sin is a tool God allowed in his human creation for teaching us the difference between good and evil, sin was allowed if not designed by GOD for teaching us ALL, OR HAVEN’T YOU READ YOU SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD. and if God could not have prevented evil, the what does the thousand year reign of Jesus and the sain’t prove when evil is removed from the earth and even the natures of animals are changed.
Do you really think GOD was so helpless he old not have prevented sin if he so desired, if he subjected us to it, by placing it there in the garden in the first place , could he not have just not placed it there, could he not have prevent the serpent from tempting EVE. I tell you he could have easely had he chose to. So as he required man to sacrifice for there part in sin, so did he also with his Son Jesus for all sin, so we are indeed debtors to God the father for our teaching about good and evil, and more for out deliverance from the evil, which he used to teach us all. ” you shall all be taught by GOD” ACCORDING TO JESUS.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
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